I meant to add something along those lines. It is not unfair for usage to cross people's minds. At the same time, clean or not, it is also not crazy to have expected some level of rebound from him. Personally, from before the season, this is along the lines of what I was expecting. I thought a .275 to .285 BA would not be crazy and 25-30 HRs also realistic. HRs in the 35-45 range I wouldn't have expected, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it happens.
I thought he was going to be a bench bat at best...
He has already outdone any of my expectations for him. He may be clean, he may not be, I don't particularly care. He sucked some of the years he was using, that alone wouldn't explain his success.
if we are rooting for ARod. That's ridiculous. ARod,my like Ortiz, has done his time. Hell,message done more than his fair share of time if you ask me. And U.S., as Yankee fans, have paid a severe price as well. Not only did we not get ARod for an entire year, but we've had to endure opposing fans acting as if we are the only team with roiders.
ARod has done his time. We have done our time as fans. It's time to move on. If you're a Yankee fan and can't cheer for ARod, maybe it's time you take up another hobby. Maybe that hobby should be to get rid of the skeletons in YOUR closets.
There's starting to be a really interesting contrast
between the Yanks with Jeter as captain and the Yanks now. And I'll preface by saying I'll always love Jeter and everything he did, so I don't mean to besmirch Jeters legacy
But there's no real debate he was stone cold serious and didn't really like having ARod as a teammate...the chatter about the Yanks clubhouse once guys like O'Neill, Bernie, Tino and others retired was that it was very business-like and everyone followed Jeters lead. Anyone who got on Jeter's bad side was essentially dead to him, and several were shipped out
This year there's a lot of talk not just about ARod's play, but also his leadership and influence on the young guys. Several of them have commented on how ARod has helped them. And in the post game last night Girardi commented on how loose the clubhouse is bc ARod is always laughing and having fun, even at his own expense
Who would have thought after all that's happened that ARod would turn out to be the right team leader for the Yanks.
And considering his previous words and actions have probably torpedoed any chance of him having a post-playing career as a broadcaster, I suspect ARod may end up being a very good manager one day
if we are rooting for ARod. That's ridiculous. ARod,my like Ortiz, has done his time. Hell,message done more than his fair share of time if you ask me. And U.S., as Yankee fans, have paid a severe price as well. Not only did we not get ARod for an entire year, but we've had to endure opposing fans acting as if we are the only team with roiders.
ARod has done his time. We have done our time as fans. It's time to move on. If you're a Yankee fan and can't cheer for ARod, maybe it's time you take up another hobby. Maybe that hobby should be to get rid of the skeletons in YOUR closets.
As I said, I am a hypocrite, because I cheer the production, but I cannot cheer the man. He has burned me too many times. With that said, he did pay his time and by all accounts is a great teammate. What I won't do, is start using adjectives like "amazing" to describe him. I don't see how that is a troubling view. And, while I do congratulate him on his new attitude, it doesn't erase for me the crap of the 2013 hearings and what a mess that became. But, he can only act better and he has, so he deserves credit for that, too.
There is absolutely no getting around that. He is a Hall of Fame player. One of the greatest of all time. that doesn't change because he hurt your feelings. And there's nothing hypocritical about saying that.
I admire your desire to be able to stick your chest out and tell your Red Sox buddies that you're not hypocritical, but while they are patting you on the back, let them know that we, as Yankee fans, have given ARod a billion times more grief than they've given Ortiz. Not one of them have ever said a negative thing about the big loveable teddy bear. But yeah, we're the hypocrites in your eyes.
I am fucking loving what AROD is doing, he can't hit enough home runs as far as i'm concerned. He wasn't the only user, he wasn't the only liar and MLB was hell bent on destroying him. What he's doing now is a big fuck you to mlb and i'm loving every second of it.
How would you feel about a straight up trade of Aaron Judge for Atlanta's top prospect SS Jose Peraza?
Don't think ATL would do it because SS/middle infielders are more valuable than outfielders when all things are equal. They'll probably move this Peraza to 2nd to put his bat in the lineup since Simmons is blocking him
Essex has a very decent and defendable point. How can he be down on Arod the cheater, and then slobber on him once he contributes? He's got what I assume a lot of fans have, a complicated pov on a guy who's done a lot of stupid things and hurt the team. I hope Arod is doing this the right way, because fuck him if he's using and lets the team down again.
How would you feel about a straight up trade of Aaron Judge for Atlanta's top prospect SS Jose Peraza?
Don't think ATL would do it because SS/middle infielders are more valuable than outfielders when all things are equal. They'll probably move this Peraza to 2nd to put his bat in the lineup since Simmons is blocking him
They have already moved Peraza to 2B but Atlanta has another prospect Ozhaino Albies who is a similar prospect to Peraza but he is better in every category except for power which neither has much of. There has been speculation that Atlanta could move Simmons in the future when Albies is ready and if Peterson or Peraza have locked down 2B. Atlanta only has a couple of solid OF prospects and one of them is in single A so they could definitely use an OF with power. I am not that high on Peraza as most are because of his low walk rate. I am very high on Albies though.
so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
The first HR was on a pitch at the knees dipping towards the inside corner. The second HR was on an outside pitch which he had to reach for and time. The third HR was on a fastball at the knees that he had to time perfectly
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
RE: RE: Nobody knows if he's using anything or not
so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
Yeah since Ortiz was a user. I don't know if he still uses or not though. It's fun to joke about but I have no clue either way.
RE: RE: Nobody knows if he's using anything or not
so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
When Ortiz has to go through what ARod has, and misses an entire year year for his cheating, I will consider it time served and move on. Braun didn't serve the same time ARod did, and he threw somebody under the bus, but I have no problem with him at this point. He served his time.
Ortiz?
RE: The 3 ARod HRs last night require a lot more than steroids
The first HR was on a pitch at the knees dipping towards the inside corner. The second HR was on an outside pitch which he had to reach for and time. The third HR was on a fastball at the knees that he had to time perfectly
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
Exactly, but mouth breathers will dismiss everything you said and immediately claim its the roids. I don't think some people get exactly how hard it is to do what these guys do, especially an all time great like AROD.
RE: RE: The 3 ARod HRs last night require a lot more than steroids
The first HR was on a pitch at the knees dipping towards the inside corner. The second HR was on an outside pitch which he had to reach for and time. The third HR was on a fastball at the knees that he had to time perfectly
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
Exactly, but mouth breathers will dismiss everything you said and immediately claim its the roids. I don't think some people get exactly how hard it is to do what these guys do, especially an all time great like AROD.
This is the dumbest argument. Of course, Arod is a great baseball player, with or without roids. He is the one, though, who has made the choice to blur the lines of what we can tell he does by natural talent and what he does by aritificial enhancement.
ARod has done his time. We have done our time as fans. It's time to move on. If you're a Yankee fan and can't cheer for ARod, maybe it's time you take up another hobby. Maybe that hobby should be to get rid of the skeletons in YOUR closets.
But there's no real debate he was stone cold serious and didn't really like having ARod as a teammate...the chatter about the Yanks clubhouse once guys like O'Neill, Bernie, Tino and others retired was that it was very business-like and everyone followed Jeters lead. Anyone who got on Jeter's bad side was essentially dead to him, and several were shipped out
This year there's a lot of talk not just about ARod's play, but also his leadership and influence on the young guys. Several of them have commented on how ARod has helped them. And in the post game last night Girardi commented on how loose the clubhouse is bc ARod is always laughing and having fun, even at his own expense
Who would have thought after all that's happened that ARod would turn out to be the right team leader for the Yanks.
And considering his previous words and actions have probably torpedoed any chance of him having a post-playing career as a broadcaster, I suspect ARod may end up being a very good manager one day
ARod has done his time. We have done our time as fans. It's time to move on. If you're a Yankee fan and can't cheer for ARod, maybe it's time you take up another hobby. Maybe that hobby should be to get rid of the skeletons in YOUR closets.
As I said, I am a hypocrite, because I cheer the production, but I cannot cheer the man. He has burned me too many times. With that said, he did pay his time and by all accounts is a great teammate. What I won't do, is start using adjectives like "amazing" to describe him. I don't see how that is a troubling view. And, while I do congratulate him on his new attitude, it doesn't erase for me the crap of the 2013 hearings and what a mess that became. But, he can only act better and he has, so he deserves credit for that, too.
I admire your desire to be able to stick your chest out and tell your Red Sox buddies that you're not hypocritical, but while they are patting you on the back, let them know that we, as Yankee fans, have given ARod a billion times more grief than they've given Ortiz. Not one of them have ever said a negative thing about the big loveable teddy bear. But yeah, we're the hypocrites in your eyes.
The Boston Red Sox.
Don't think ATL would do it because SS/middle infielders are more valuable than outfielders when all things are equal. They'll probably move this Peraza to 2nd to put his bat in the lineup since Simmons is blocking him
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How would you feel about a straight up trade of Aaron Judge for Atlanta's top prospect SS Jose Peraza?
Don't think ATL would do it because SS/middle infielders are more valuable than outfielders when all things are equal. They'll probably move this Peraza to 2nd to put his bat in the lineup since Simmons is blocking him
They have already moved Peraza to 2B but Atlanta has another prospect Ozhaino Albies who is a similar prospect to Peraza but he is better in every category except for power which neither has much of. There has been speculation that Atlanta could move Simmons in the future when Albies is ready and if Peterson or Peraza have locked down 2B. Atlanta only has a couple of solid OF prospects and one of them is in single A so they could definitely use an OF with power. I am not that high on Peraza as most are because of his low walk rate. I am very high on Albies though.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
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so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
Yeah since Ortiz was a user. I don't know if he still uses or not though. It's fun to joke about but I have no clue either way.
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so it's kind of silly to assume either way. Just enjoy his playing well and the Yankees winning. If you don't want to like him then that's fine. Me personally, I don't care that much about PEDs when players are THAT good with or without them. I personally think players that became all time greats should be in the hall of fame, even if they were users. Bonds, Clemens, ARod... put them all in. If drugs turned you into an all-time great baseball player, everyone would have been hitting 50 home runs a season. When your numbers are that much better than the rest of the pack throughout your career, it's more than the PEDs.
Would you feel the same way about ARod if he was on Boston and performing the same way?
When Ortiz has to go through what ARod has, and misses an entire year year for his cheating, I will consider it time served and move on. Braun didn't serve the same time ARod did, and he threw somebody under the bus, but I have no problem with him at this point. He served his time.
Ortiz?
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
Exactly, but mouth breathers will dismiss everything you said and immediately claim its the roids. I don't think some people get exactly how hard it is to do what these guys do, especially an all time great like AROD.
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The first HR was on a pitch at the knees dipping towards the inside corner. The second HR was on an outside pitch which he had to reach for and time. The third HR was on a fastball at the knees that he had to time perfectly
Those swings require insane baseball talent and hand-eye
Exactly, but mouth breathers will dismiss everything you said and immediately claim its the roids. I don't think some people get exactly how hard it is to do what these guys do, especially an all time great like AROD.
This is the dumbest argument. Of course, Arod is a great baseball player, with or without roids. He is the one, though, who has made the choice to blur the lines of what we can tell he does by natural talent and what he does by aritificial enhancement.