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NFT: Boxing continues to be a joke - HBO tonight

B in ALB : 7/25/2015 11:04 pm
Three judges in Vegas just gave a victory to Jean Pascal over newcomer Yuniesky Gonzalez. Pascal clearly got beat but he was the favorite and in line for a Kovalev match if he wins tonight during the main event.

Even Kellerman - a noted apologist for bad decisions - called this one as a mistake. Lederman who is a bit senile had Gonzalez winning. As did Hopkins. Pathetic.

Meanwhile, ufc fight night was awesome on Fox.
I watched it too.  
sb2003 : 7/25/2015 11:10 pm : link
The fix was in.
Gave up on the sport years ago  
BlueHurricane : 7/25/2015 11:37 pm : link
Unless there is a KO you never what will come from a decision. Between Trinidad,De La Hoya, and Mosley I started to wonder if what I was seeing was something other than what the rest of the world was seeing.
boxing is far better than watching half naked  
chris r : 7/26/2015 6:15 am : link
men roll around on top of each other. And that's even with the shady decisions. The public seems to agree too, judging by the money made by fighters in the two respective sports.
Boxing is on the rise...  
2ndroundKO : 7/26/2015 7:55 am : link
in spite of what the OP wishes. And complaining about the inevitable bad decision out of every 50 or so fights (in a sport that's entirely subjective) is played out. Granted, last night's card was pretty sh*tty but don't get carried away. The sport is experiencing a bit of a resurgence.
RE: boxing is far better than watching half naked  
B in ALB : 7/26/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12385889 chris r said:
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men roll around on top of each other. And that's even with the shady decisions. The public seems to agree too, judging by the money made by fighters in the two respective sports.


Oh shit, you're still alive after being completely eviscerated the other day by Bill2? Did you ever bother to reply to the thread? Probably not.
I thought the fight much closer than  
RELICDOA : 7/26/2015 12:01 pm : link
What was being said. I thought Pascal distributed the more powerful punches. The punches Pascal was connecting with were much cleaner as well. If anything I saw a draw without a clear winner.
I love boxing  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/26/2015 12:08 pm : link
and find it infinitely better than MMA. But I can understand why people are turned off by it, as sanctioning bodies and crooked promoters are ruining the sport.

My first big problem with boxing are the 4 major sanctioning bodies that run boxing. The 4 major sanctioning bodies are the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO. This means that there can be 4 champions at a time. For example in the middleweight division there are 4 champions at the moment. Miguel Cotto is the WBC champion, Gennady Golovkin is the WBA champion, David Lemieux is the IBF champion, and Andy Lee is the WBO champion. Instead of having 1 legit middleweight champion, we have 4 guys claiming to be the champion. This is made even worst by the 2 big sanctioning bodies the WBC and the WBA, when you they have 2 separate champions for one division. For example the full WBC champion is Miguel Cotto, but the interim Champion is Gennady Golovkin. Or another example would be in the welterweight division where Floyd Mayweather is the WBA "super" welterweight and Keith Thurman is the WBA "regular" welterweight champion. This is fucking bullshi in my opinion. It's bad that we can have 4 different champions by 4 different sanctioning bodies, but we have can have sub champions under a sanctioning body. Fuck that, let's crown 1 legitimate champion per division . This is where MMA gets it right, and boxing falls way behind.

My other major issue with boxer is where boxing promoters and their agendas are ruining the sport. The 3 major promoters right now are Bob Arum at Top Rank, Oscar De La Hoya with Golden Boy, and Al Haymon with Premier Boxing Champions. Arum and De La Hoya do not do business with Al Haymon because of years of bad blood. This causes boxers with one promoter not to fight another boxer with another promoter. For this reason we might never get to see a Keith Thurman (under Al Haymon) fight a Tim Bradley (under Bob Arum). This was also the major reason Mayweather vs Pacquiao was not made sooner. Floyd under Al Haymon hated Bob Arum who promotes Pacquiao.
B in Alb  
bc4life : 7/26/2015 12:55 pm : link
What legitimate purpose does it serve by bringing that back up?
JoeyBigBlue  
bc4life : 7/26/2015 12:57 pm : link
Absolutely re: point # 1. Only need one sanctioning body.
Bc4life  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/26/2015 1:35 pm : link
Did you hear about Golovkin vs Lemieux on PPV in October. Good scrap between the best 2 legitimate middleweights in the world right now. I favor Golovkin, but he better watch out as Lemieux has knockout power in both hands.
RE: I love boxing  
Kulish29 : 7/26/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12386089 JoeyBigBlue said:
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and find it infinitely better than MMA. But I can understand why people are turned off by it, as sanctioning bodies and crooked promoters are ruining the sport.

My first big problem with boxing are the 4 major sanctioning bodies that run boxing. The 4 major sanctioning bodies are the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO. This means that there can be 4 champions at a time. For example in the middleweight division there are 4 champions at the moment. Miguel Cotto is the WBC champion, Gennady Golovkin is the WBA champion, David Lemieux is the IBF champion, and Andy Lee is the WBO champion. Instead of having 1 legit middleweight champion, we have 4 guys claiming to be the champion. This is made even worst by the 2 big sanctioning bodies the WBC and the WBA, when you they have 2 separate champions for one division. For example the full WBC champion is Miguel Cotto, but the interim Champion is Gennady Golovkin. Or another example would be in the welterweight division where Floyd Mayweather is the WBA "super" welterweight and Keith Thurman is the WBA "regular" welterweight champion. This is fucking bullshi in my opinion. It's bad that we can have 4 different champions by 4 different sanctioning bodies, but we have can have sub champions under a sanctioning body. Fuck that, let's crown 1 legitimate champion per division . This is where MMA gets it right, and boxing falls way behind.

My other major issue with boxer is where boxing promoters and their agendas are ruining the sport. The 3 major promoters right now are Bob Arum at Top Rank, Oscar De La Hoya with Golden Boy, and Al Haymon with Premier Boxing Champions. Arum and De La Hoya do not do business with Al Haymon because of years of bad blood. This causes boxers with one promoter not to fight another boxer with another promoter. For this reason we might never get to see a Keith Thurman (under Al Haymon) fight a Tim Bradley (under Bob Arum). This was also the major reason Mayweather vs Pacquiao was not made sooner. Floyd under Al Haymon hated Bob Arum who promotes Pacquiao.


Great post.

There are just too many factions in boxing for the casual fan to know what's going on. Unless they break it down and have one consensus, sanctioning body, boxing will continue to suffer.
RE: Bc4life  
2ndroundKO : 7/26/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12386211 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Did you hear about Golovkin vs Lemieux on PPV in October. Good scrap between the best 2 legitimate middleweights in the world right now. I favor Golovkin, but he better watch out as Lemieux has knockout power in both hands.


Lemieux sucks. Hate to say it but it's true. No punch resistance and one dimensional. Golovkin will make short work of him. I don't see anyone beating him at 160 right now.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/26/2015 3:59 pm : link
it looks like Radar saw the error of his ways in being the ultimate contrarian.

Aw fuck, who am I kidding. That fucking doucheface has learned nothing and will continue to be a stain on this board.
It's a beautiful sport ...  
Manny in CA : 7/27/2015 12:45 am : link
Tainted by the sight of a true champion like Kovalov draped with multiple belts, each one cheapening the other.

Did anybody notice the look of terror on the face of the poor guy who fought Kovalov (when the bell for the 1st round rang ?). Embarrassing, almost as bad as when Muhammed Ali fought Chuck Wepner (well at least Chuck wasn't scared)

Then the first fight decision, agreed, that was a joke.

Th public hopes and longs for the day when boxing will return to it's glory. Very little hope, right now.
Did not watch it live  
Carl in CT : 7/27/2015 9:50 am : link
But watched it over the weekend. I thought the fight was pretty even. I might give the nod to the loser but I've seen worse decisions in the past!
Fatman  
bc4life : 7/27/2015 11:54 am : link
Radar is predictable, irritating at times, but for the most part harmless, IMO.
I thought it was bad decision  
bc4life : 7/27/2015 11:55 am : link
But will re-watch it.

Boxing is still a great sport but it has its' issues. And, for the most part they get the decisions right.
Boxing has moved to a level where it's a shadow  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/27/2015 12:16 pm : link
Of its former self. I'm 49. Growing. Up watching. Basing w my cousins and uncles was awesome. Say what they do today bears little resemblance. No one says a guy should take uneccessary damage but it's just a game now where guys will out point each other at the higher levels.

I'm a casual fan at best because for all the moronic anti UFC posts we get I watch most cards. Some do suck but generally there will always be a couple of really good fights on most cards. Boxing is a non stop snooze fest.

Lastly for all the die hard boxing fans everyone knew who Muhammad Ali was. Joe Frazier. sugar Ray Leonard. Roberto Duran who was a sports fan.

No knows who the top 3 or 4 boxers are. And no one gives a fuck who they are outside of Mayweather. Sadly his last fight pretty much assures no casual fan will ever waste another night watching him.

If it wasn't for betting boxing would be in even worse shape but it's day has passed. MMA won't ever rise to the heights boxing had but you ask 18-30 year old me who they would know the chances are they will know a lot more MMA fighters. A lot more. the future is grim despite those who want to pretend it's a fight sport anymore never mind rising in popularity.
RE: RE: Bc4life  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/27/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12386309 2ndroundKO said:
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In comment 12386211 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Did you hear about Golovkin vs Lemieux on PPV in October. Good scrap between the best 2 legitimate middleweights in the world right now. I favor Golovkin, but he better watch out as Lemieux has knockout power in both hands.



Lemieux sucks. Hate to say it but it's true. No punch resistance and one dimensional. Golovkin will make short work of him. I don't see anyone beating him at 160 right now.




I disagree, I think Lemieux has improved tenfold since losing to Marco Antonio Rubio. He's not at Golovkins level but GGG can't clown on him like GGG did with Willie Monroe Jr. Lemieuxs power will hurt anyone in the division.
hahaha.  
B in ALB : 7/27/2015 5:08 pm : link
radar is a toilet bug. Come on.


I'll still watch boxing - no doubt - but it universally has pretty much caused millions of fans to question its legitimacy and value in the sports world recently.
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