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be pissed if we traded Wheeler 4 Parra

"Mets made a run for Tulo but Col balked. Mets willing to Trade Wheeler for a hitter. They offered him to the Brewers for Parra but they refused."

In comment 12385972 Eli owns all said:

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be pissed if we traded Wheeler 4 Parra

Why he is batting in the 300's and plays a great of.

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be true that the Mets offered Wheeler for Parra can it?

hitter. He's having a career year but over his career he has not been a good hitter by any stretch

In comment 12385977 chris r said:

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various soures...Score.com,Rosenthhal tweets,yahoo..etc

In comment 12385978 MookGiants said:

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be true that the Mets offered Wheeler for Parra can it?

And were turned down of course. Shit reads like an Onion article...

refuse Wheeler for Parra?

Parra has had a mediocre career to this point outside of one season, is having a career year, and is a FA after the season and TJS has a 95% recovery rate.

I'd do that if I were them in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't do it if I were the Mets.

for Parra and Ramirez? I highly doubt both of those possibilities.

interested in a <3 FIP pedigreed starter with 4 more years of cost control, on a low payroll team that is 11 games out? Way to prioritize the gettable players.

In comment 12385987 Deej said:

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interested in a <3 FIP pedigreed starter with 4 more years of cost control, on a low payroll team that is 11 games out? Way to prioritize the gettable players.

I was going to say, who isn't very interested in Sonny Gray.

he should easily cost one of their young major leaguers, but with the way the Red Sox trade they'll probably get him for Rick Porcello and Brock Holt. I'm still baffled how the Dodgers bailed them out, they should still be paying Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford.

In comment 12385986 Eric on Li said:

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for Parra and Ramirez? I highly doubt both of those possibilities.

I found another blurb that corrects the first one about WHeeler.

Mets offered him to the Reds for Bruce.

Latest On Mets� Pursuit Of Offense

By Charlie Wilmoth [July 25, 2015 at 3:50pm CDT]


At least based on reports, the Mets appear to be one of the busier teams as we approach the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Here�s the latest, mostly via FOX Sports� Ken Rosenthal:
�The Mets tried for Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki, but they believe Colorado isn�t interested in a trade.
�The Mets have also looked into utilityman Ben Zobrist and reliever Tyler Clippard of the Athletics, but it appears likely that the Athletics will find better deals for both players, probably in two different trades.
�New York discussed sending Zack Wheeler to the Reds in a deal for outfielder Jay Bruce, but talks went nowhere. Andy Martino and Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News reported yesterday that the Mets had discussed potential Wheeler deals with multiple clubs.
�The Mets and Brewers have had talks regarding Gerardo Parra, although it appears that there�s enough interest in Parra that the Brewers� price has increased. That�s consistent with a tweet this afternoon from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel�s Tom Haudricourt, who wrote that the Brewers have had lots of interest in Parra and will have their choice of various offers.

have no problem dealing Wheeler but if his value at this point is fucking Parra you don't trade him. If he is the big piece to a deal CarGo, Gomez Tulo you trade him.

value aside, I cant remember a play out for TJS even being traded.

...sorry

reported the Mets have shopped Wheeler, no clue if true or not, I don't think it's unreasonable.

Offering Wheeler for Parra and being turned down sounds unrealistic and made up.

"Big fat asses"?

They always play things close to the vest at the trade deadline. Just because there are no rumours out there about them doesn't mean they're not doing anything.

but not positive (heard Cotillo mention it but don't remember the name).

In comment 12385998 Kulish29 said:

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"Big fat asses"? They always play things close to the vest at the trade deadline. Just because there are no rumours out there about them doesn't mean they're not doing anything.

I think they are sitting on their big fat asses!

Both Rosenthal and Heyman reported that they want Hamels but don't want to include Judge in the deal

straight up. That tells you the Mets don't think Wheeler is going to be the same after TJS

In comment 12386005 dpinzow said:

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Both Rosenthal and Heyman reported that they want Hamels but don't want to include Judge in the deal

Im sure they want a bunch of top line players but engaging a team that you know will want one of the two players that you are not willing to part with is not really being serious.

house. You know that they will never go for it. But hey I made an offer

In comment 12386004 superspynyg said:

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In comment 12385998 Kulish29 said: Quote: "Big fat asses"? They always play things close to the vest at the trade deadline. Just because there are no rumours out there about them doesn't mean they're not doing anything. I think they are sitting on their big fat asses!

Then you either know nothing about the Yankees during past trade deadlines or, you're simply forgetting how they do things.

In comment 12386008 superspynyg said:

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In comment 12386005 dpinzow said: Quote: Both Rosenthal and Heyman reported that they want Hamels but don't want to include Judge in the deal Im sure they want a bunch of top line players but engaging a team that you know will want one of the two players that you are not willing to part with is not really being serious.

No, the Yanks are gauging the Phils' asking price and waiting for the market to come down (which it will unless the Dodgers or Cubs offer something stupid). Hamels throwing a no-no really doesn't change his value because he is a known commodity with relatively consistent stats

Up until recently you never heard of a TJS prospect getting drafted. Now they are commonly high round picks. Things change.

In comment 12386006 dpinzow said:

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straight up. That tells you the Mets don't think Wheeler is going to be the same after TJS

That tells you reporters are full of shit, nothing else.

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In comment 12386006 dpinzow said: Quote: straight up. That tells you the Mets don't think Wheeler is going to be the same after TJS That tells you reporters are full of shit, nothing else.

That's possible too because I can't imagine Sandy initiating that conversation for a player of Gerardo Parra's caliber (league average)

I think he'd deal Wheeler for an all star level guy under contract (Bruce, Gomez or Tulo). Likely as a headliner in a package. I think there's almost no chance he'd deal him for a rental, and certainly not a tier 2 rental like Parra.

indicate that they think their bad year is a fluke and they will be good next year with almost the same core. If I'm Oakland though I hold them up for Betts, Bogaerts and Moncada for Sonny Gray. That's an insane rumor

.@MarcCarig says #Mets are looking coyly at Yoenis Cespedes, too. One name I keep hearing is Jay Bruce...Mets are scouting him heavily.
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In comment 12386024 Eric on Li said:

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I think he'd deal Wheeler for an all star level guy under contract (Bruce, Gomez or Tulo). Likely as a headliner in a package. I think there's almost no chance he'd deal him for a rental, and certainly not a tier 2 rental like Parra.

I think Sandy is dangling Niese (maybe Niese for Bruce) but can't imagine why he'd trade Wheeler when a good Wheeler next year makes the Mets rotation almost impregnable

In comment 12386014 dpinzow said:

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In comment 12386008 superspynyg said: Quote: In comment 12386005 dpinzow said: Then you know from past trade deadlines that that top pitchers prices do not come down. either the team is willing to over pay or the team is willing to keep them.. Example last year Samardja (sp?) got #2 prospect in all of baseball and Philies did not trade Hamels even though he was on the block. When I say sit on their fat asses Is a personal opinion and I think that they should be working on getting a 2b than trying to gauge the interest for a pitcher we all know we wont get. We have a glaring hole that needs to be fixed. Quote: Both Rosenthal and Heyman reported that they want Hamels but don't want to include Judge in the deal Im sure they want a bunch of top line players but engaging a team that you know will want one of the two players that you are not willing to part with is not really being serious. No, the Yanks are gauging the Phils' asking price and waiting for the market to come down (which it will unless the Dodgers or Cubs offer something stupid). Hamels throwing a no-no really doesn't change his value because he is a known commodity with relatively consistent stats

Again, he's being sold as the ultimate pitching prospect.
Cost controlled
Young
A KNOWN quantity, which no other pitching prospect can be considered unless he is already established - which means he isn't a prospect.
A KNOWN timetable, something a prospect can never provide. When will a prospect arrive, unknown. When will they succeed, unknown. Wheeler will pitch next summer and anchor a staff opening day 2017.

A prospect is a gamble to ever even reach the majors, yet alone succeed. Wheeler is the rare "prospect" that can actually be sold to a fan base as a known quantity, a name. What's the downside of a Wheeler? He doesn't return from TJS. As a GM, which risk is greater? Wheeler doesn't return, or a prospect doesn't pan out and stays injury free himself? That is exactly how the Mets are selling Wheeler. Some will buy it, some will not.

based on what? You not hearing any bullshit rumors (like the awesome one that the Brewers turned down Wheeler)?

You seem like a real winner. Way to get annoyed about something that you have no freaking clue about.

In comment 12386025 dpinzow said:

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indicate that they think their bad year is a fluke and they will be good next year with almost the same core. If I'm Oakland though I hold them up for Betts, Bogaerts and Moncada for Sonny Gray. That's an insane rumor

I hope that you meant to say that the Oak will need to ask for one of those prospects and not all of them in a deal, If you meant all of them, then you have no concept of trade value at all. Betts OR Bogarts and other minor pieces is worth Gray.

My only question is.. what happens if the Mets land one of those guys? Don't tell me they're going to send Conforto back down if they do. And putting Granderson in CF would be a large downgrade defensively.

Just not sure how it shakes out. And this isn't even mentioning Cuddyer even though he certainly doesn't warrant anything more than a platoon or 4th/5th OF spot at this point.

In comment 12386035 BigBlueShock said:

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based on what? You not hearing any bullshit rumors (like the awesome one that the Brewers turned down Wheeler)? You seem like a real winner. Way to get annoyed about something that you have no freaking clue about.

No you are the winner. Its just a personal opinion and yet you feel the need to take a jab at me. You have absolutely no class. My opinion while most may not agree with it, is my opinion. There is no need to hurl and insult. You are whats wrong with this board and this world.

In comment 12386035 BigBlueShock said:

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based on what? You not hearing any bullshit rumors (like the awesome one that the Brewers turned down Wheeler)? You seem like a real winner. Way to get annoyed about something that you have no freaking clue about.

Agreed...everyone in the baseball world knows the Yanks want Hamels bad but they are telling the Phils that the offer won't be great in terms of prospects unless the Phils eat a part of Hamels' contract. Nobody is going to offer the Phils a gigantic prospect load unless the Phils eat part of that $73 million. The only exception to this is if the Dodgers offer Puig who makes $6 million himself and the Phils like Puig

but realistically even his healthy performance career to date would make him at best their 4th best starter. Niese & Matz could have very compelling arguments to be ahead of him on the depth chart by the end of this year or midseason next year. Especially if he comes back and has to work through some control problems or rust (as most guys do, Harvey included).

Not trying to shit on Wheeler or deal him in a panic move, but realistically you're talking about a guy who is unlikely to contribute much to the teams W-L record in the next 2 postseasons (which are the ultimate goal that needs to be front of mind with every move they make). The guys being discussed in the context of dealing him would pretty much instantly become this team's best every day player (Gomez, Bruce, Tulo, etc.).

Brewers are not getting top prospects for Parra. He has a career OPS+ of 98.

He is purely a two-moth rental. Not a building block

In comment 12386037 superspynyg said:

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In comment 12386025 dpinzow said: Quote: indicate that they think their bad year is a fluke and they will be good next year with almost the same core. If I'm Oakland though I hold them up for Betts, Bogaerts and Moncada for Sonny Gray. That's an insane rumor I hope that you meant to say that the Oak will need to ask for one of those prospects and not all of them in a deal, If you meant all of them, then you have no concept of trade value at all. Betts OR Bogarts and other minor pieces is worth Gray.

LOL no, trading Sonny Gray is like trading DeGrom or Harvey. It would be equal to at least Betts + Bogaerts as he is a 24-year old ace making peanuts and affordable for the rest of the decade

In comment 12386025 dpinzow said:

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indicate that they think their bad year is a fluke and they will be good next year with almost the same core. If I'm Oakland though I hold them up for Betts, Bogaerts and Moncada for Sonny Gray. That's an insane rumor

I don't think they feel it's a fluke, I think they underestimated the need for "ace" quality pitching when they let Lester walk. A lot of local media here in Boston said they're rotation is really 5 #3 pitchers, and they've in a lot of cases been worse than that.

So, they like their lineup, but need to get an ace, and Sonny Gray fits that bill, especially being so young, and cost-controlled. He should land a kings ransom if they deal him.

The Sox should be in on Wheeler. Even Niese would be an upgrade on their stafff.

I'd love to see the Mets get Bogaerts and I'd trade Wheeler, Flores/Tejada, and some younger prospects for him.

the Sox have Garin Cecchini, maybe get his brother and form the left side of the infield (wouldn't be the best fielding left side of an infield, but it's a nice story and pink hat nation loves nice stories), move Panda to 1B.

not they're

I like Gray but that's ridiculous.

one of the two and some lesser prospects, not both.

in a trade since Gray is three years younger than DeGrom and AFAIK hasn't gone through TJS like Harvey. Gray would command one of the largest trade packages in baseball

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 15s15 seconds ago
Source: #Royals getting Cueto.

In comment 12386040 arcarsenal said:

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My only question is.. what happens if the Mets land one of those guys? Don't tell me they're going to send Conforto back down if they do. And putting Granderson in CF would be a large downgrade defensively. Just not sure how it shakes out. And this isn't even mentioning Cuddyer even though he certainly doesn't warrant anything more than a platoon or 4th/5th OF spot at this point.

Lagares becomes 4th OF'er and late game sub (or he gets the surgery and Kirk fills that role). Cespedes has played about 600 innings in CF over the past 3 years while Grandy has only played about 300. Also the corner guys will need days off every once in a while which can get Lagares back in against lefties, Conforto included since this is his first pro season and it's likely more games than he's ever played before.

In comment 12386052 pjcas18 said:

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I like Gray but that's ridiculous. one of the two and some lesser prospects, not both.

You said Gray would be worth a king's ransom in trade, well there you go

In comment 12386054 sphinx said:

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 15s15 seconds ago Source: #Royals getting Cueto.

I've never been a "good story" guy, but I love seeing the Royals go for it.

Cueto might make them the AL favorite if they aren't already.

Only thing is.. ~430 of those innings were 3 years ago. Cespedes has barely played CF at all since then. Bruce hasn't touched CF in years.

I agree that logically, Lagares has to become the 4th OFer / late game defensive sub. I would just worry about the CF defense if that were the case.

In comment 12386040 arcarsenal said:

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My only question is.. what happens if the Mets land one of those guys? Don't tell me they're going to send Conforto back down if they do. And putting Granderson in CF would be a large downgrade defensively. My question too. Granderson goes to the bench? Conforto is the future if he hits .280 or above you have to keep him up. Just not sure how it shakes out. And this isn't even mentioning Cuddyer even though he certainly doesn't warrant anything more than a platoon or 4th/5th OF spot at this point.

And there is no way that Sox trade Bogarts. Unless they have another SS who they think is better ready to come up.

In comment 12386056 dpinzow said:

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In comment 12386052 pjcas18 said: Quote: I like Gray but that's ridiculous. one of the two and some lesser prospects, not both. You said Gray would be worth a king's ransom in trade, well there you go

The Red Sox have the #1 ranked farm system by Keith Law (take that for what you will), that king's ransom would be something like Bogaerts or Betts + Devers and Moncada

maybe even have the Sox throw in Eduardo Rodriguez, but Bogaerts and Betts are both top 5 in all of MLB at their positions, top 10 at worst at a young age, not just typical Red Sox prospect hype.

would be Betts or Bogaerts plus at least Boston's top minor league arm and another top prospect at the AA level that Oakland thinks will contribute in the bigs. Gray is an ace for the next decade, possibly more barring injury

In comment 12386058 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 12386054 sphinx said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal �@Ken_Rosenthal 15s15 seconds ago Source: #Royals getting Cueto. I've never been a "good story" guy, but I love seeing the Royals go for it. Cueto might make them the AL favorite if they aren't already.

I agree. Especially with the Tigers being sellers this year.

In comment 12386067 dpinzow said:

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would be Betts or Bogaerts plus at least Boston's top minor league arm and another top prospect at the AA level that Oakland thinks will contribute in the bigs. Gray is an ace for the next decade, possibly more barring injury

That is much better. I agree that one of the two is needed to even keep talks going. I still think that Boston is not willing to trade either one.

In comment 12386065 superspynyg said:

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And there is no way that Sox trade Bogarts. Unless they have another SS who they think is better ready to come up.

Huh? Gray has similar stats pitching against DH-lineups most of the time, is three years younger than DeGrom and doesn't have Harvey's injury history. Have you ever seen him pitch? As a Yankee fan it would be a disaster to see Gray in Boston.

I know as a Mets fan you think Harvey and DeGrom are the two best pitchers in the game but there are starters out there as good as those two at the moment, as hard as it is for you to believe. Gray is one of those

In comment 12386060 arcarsenal said:

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Only thing is.. ~430 of those innings were 3 years ago. Cespedes has barely played CF at all since then. Bruce hasn't touched CF in years. I agree that logically, Lagares has to become the 4th OFer / late game defensive sub. I would just worry about the CF defense if that were the case.

I think Granderson is likely the guy that goes to CF and honestly I think he'd just as good as he currently is in RF. I think he's pretty average overall in RF and even though CF is a more important defensive position his strengths will play better. His arm isn't any worse than Lagares' right now.

Cespedes/Bruce/Reddick meanwhile would each likely be a slight upgrade over Granderson in RF due to the arm, so really I don't think the overall fall off is as big as we think. All of these guys are career +DRS players, so while we are losing elite range in CF, the OF overall is not necessarily becoming a weakness. It's not like we are putting Duda or Murphy out there.

Gray (#15) actually has a higher trade value than either DeGrom (#20) or Harvey (#27).

Betts (#10) has a higher trade value than all of them, but don't understand that one because having seen him play against the Yanks, I think he's overrated

DeGrom is 16 months older than Gray. 3 years older is an exaggeration. Long term I would take DeGrom over Gray. Unless you're Pedro Martinez, 5'11 pitchers don't enjoy dominant stretches of time.

In comment 12386090 dpinzow said:

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Gray (#15) actually has a higher trade value than either DeGrom (#20) or Harvey (#27). Betts (#10) has a higher trade value than all of them, but don't understand that one because having seen him play against the Yanks, I think he's overrated

that's an amazingly large sample size. I need to re-think my opinion of him. Thanks.

In comment 12386099 Bill L said:

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In comment 12386090 dpinzow said: Quote: Gray (#15) actually has a higher trade value than either DeGrom (#20) or Harvey (#27). Betts (#10) has a higher trade value than all of them, but don't understand that one because having seen him play against the Yanks, I think he's overrated that's an amazingly large sample size. I need to re-think my opinion of him. Thanks.

Betts is good but not the 10th or 11th most valuable trade piece in baseball and not worth a cost-controlled ace (all of whom should be at the top of this chart unless your name is Harper, Trout, Stanton, Rizzo, Bryant, McCutchen or Goldschmidt)

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Gray (#15) actually has a higher trade value than either DeGrom (#20) or Harvey (#27). Betts (#10) has a higher trade value than all of them, but don't understand that one because having seen him play against the Yanks, I think he's overrated

Fangraph's are like real estate. Both are only worth what somebody is willing to pay. Otherwise, it's just a perceived value with not everybody having the same perception. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as a Gray is more valuable to the Sox than he would be to the Mets.

6 weeks ago every Met fan on the planet would have moved him in a straight salary dump. Now he's better than the entire Red Sox pitching staff and ahead of Wheeler long term in the Mets rotation. Get a grip. Read this stuff before you hit submit. Utter nonsense.

Betts' OPS is .757, OPS+ is 108

In contrast Gardner's OPS is .831, OPS+ 131. Betts has a higher trade value than Gardner because he is much younger but they are similar players

In comment 12386112 dpinzow said:

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Betts' OPS is .757, OPS+ is 108 In contrast Gardner's OPS is .831, OPS+ 131. Betts has a higher trade value than Gardner because he is much younger but they are similar players

Brett Gardner at 22 wasn't even in the big leagues.

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In comment 12386112 dpinzow said: Quote: Betts' OPS is .757, OPS+ is 108 In contrast Gardner's OPS is .831, OPS+ 131. Betts has a higher trade value than Gardner because he is much younger but they are similar players Brett Gardner at 22 wasn't even in the big leagues.

But how much better is he really going to be than Brett Gardner? I don't see an MVP in Betts' future like the other batters at the top of that Fangraphs chart

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6 weeks ago every Met fan on the planet would have moved him in a straight salary dump. Now he's better than the entire Red Sox pitching staff and ahead of Wheeler long term in the Mets rotation. Get a grip. Read this stuff before you hit submit. Utter nonsense.

Hypocrites? Nah, not here

Only one of the big 4 I woukd be willing to trade for a Cole Hammels or Davud Price would be Bird. Something like Bird, Mitchell. and Mason Williams seems fair for both sides. I woukd do that trade. Woukd you? Woukd Philly?

young kid, brought him through our system and he's become a great pitcher. Tough to see him go.

Losing Bruce would be a similar situation, but IMO Bruce is on the downside of his career. Not the player he was two or three seasons ago.

but neither of the teams would take that. The only way they might is if the Yankees agreed to take on the whole remaining salary for Hamels and they were the only team willing to do that. Hamels would probably cost Sanchez, Bird and then some.

actually meant to say Sanchez not Williams. So Bird, Sanchez and Mitchell (and/or Lungrem. I was also assuming we take on Cole's salary. I think that's fair for both sides

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young kid, brought him through our system and he's become a great pitcher. Tough to see him go. Losing Bruce would be a similar situation, but IMO Bruce is on the downside of his career. Not the player he was two or three seasons ago.

Jay Bruce OPS+ is 120, career high is 124. He was 10th in MVP voting with a 120 OPS+ in 2013.

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.251/.325/.467

Bruce this season

.253/.338/.470


Bruce's best season ever

.281/.353/.493 (which came with a .334 BABIP vs. career .293)

He's exactly the same player as he ever was. Amazingly consistent outside of last year.

the Mets are making a strong push for Jay Bruce.

I dont mean this as a knock on Gray's performance at all, but he's a sub 6' righty starter. I think that would depress his value just a touch.

As for the Mets interest in Bruce, that's at least a concession that Cuddy is a bomb and cant be counted on. And in reality you dont chase Bruce with Conforto up if you're sold on another year of Grandy.

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career line- .251/.325/.467 Bruce this season .253/.338/.470 Bruce's best season ever .281/.353/.493 (which came with a .334 BABIP vs. career .293) He's exactly the same player as he ever was. Amazingly consistent outside of last year.

You can cite all the statistics in the world. I watch every Reds' game, Jay Bruce is not the player he was a few years ago. I love him and thought he would be great.

His numbers may look similar at the end of each year, but he is wildly inconsistent. He was one of the worst players in baseball for the first two months of the season this season. He's gotten very hot recently, which has gotten his numbers back to "normal", but that's been the story of his career. He goes two months on a tear, then goes two months where he couldn't hit a beach ball.

In comment 12386508 BigBlueShock said:

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His numbers may look similar at the end of each year, but he is wildly inconsistent. He was one of the worst players in baseball for the first two months of the season this season. He's gotten very hot recently, which has gotten his numbers back to "normal", but that's been the story of his career. He goes two months on a tear, then goes two months where he couldn't hit a beach ball.

This isn't really true at all. He had a fairly crappy April. That was it. He consistently got better each following month.

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April: 22 games, 72 AB's, .181 BA, .310 OBP, ,713 OPS, 25 K, 5 HR, 13 RBI, 14 BB May: 25 games, 90 AB's, .256 BA, .343 OBP, .754 OPS, 21 K, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 12 BB June: 27 games, 99 AB's, .263 BA, .345 OBP, .840 OPS, 21 K, 5 HR, 17 RBI, 13 BB July: 18 games, 71 AB's, .310 BA, .351 OBP, .928 OPS, 18 K, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 5 BB

Those May numbers are awful. Just because he was worse in April doesn't mean that it was a good month

a .181 BA is "fairly crappy"?

He was bad in April. His numbers have consistently gone up across basically the entire board since.

The "wildly inconsistent" narrative really doesn't apply to him this year. He started badly and went up from there and has played his best ball this month. He's a good player.

Very few players don't peak and valley over the course of a 162 game season.

In comment 12386667 arcarsenal said:

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He was bad in April. His numbers have consistently gone up across basically the entire board since. The "wildly inconsistent" narrative really doesn't apply to him this year. He started badly and went up from there and has played his best ball this month. He's a good player. Very few players don't peak and valley over the course of a 162 game season.

You said I wasn't right at all in what I said. Which was his first two months were awful and he's been hot lately and that has gotten his numbers back up. Those numbers you posted proved my point. I'm not sure what the heck your arguing about? Hell, there's a Reds fan on this very thread that agrees with me, yet you still want to argue. It's strange, really. If you've paid any attention to Bruce's career, consistency on a week to week, month to month basis is not what he's known for.

Bruce is a good player. I like him. Saying he is inconsistent is not saying that he's a bad player.

It's a baseball post and I was simply disagreeing that he's been super inconsistent this year. Even if you want to say he was bad in May.. over the last 2 months he's been consistently good.

It's baseball, most players are inconsistent. That's usually how it works with samples so large.

Cueto for Lamb, Finnegan and Reed?

That is an impressive haul for a pitcher who may be a rental and may have serious elbow issues. Glad the Royals are going all out though.

would move Pedroia. They just signed him to a long contract yet Moncada is the future.

though

Pedroia's hamstring has time to heal

Even if it might be the prudent thing to do.

Just shows he in denial they are being buyers.
They've sucked the past 5 years, been in last place 3 of 4 seasons and they think its a fluke?
The fluke was 2013.

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Just shows he in denial they are being buyers. They've sucked the past 5 years, been in last place 3 of 4 seasons and they think its a fluke? The fluke was 2013.

? - i guess you're just kidding Re: that record

But he's right about that - 2013 was a massive, massive fluke. The Sawx are a dogshit team going nowhere for the time being.

is near for Big Poppy in Boston.

It wouldn't be to compete better this season; it would be to get another piece for next.

For nothing. sox trying to clear space for Rusney

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For nothing. sox trying to clear space for Rusney

About time, ship out Napoli next. They were great in 2013 but it's time to move on and get the kids reps, or in the case of 1B, get Hanley to a position he's less likely to butcher full time.

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For nothing. sox trying to clear space for Rusney

JBJ deserves another shot.

at the very least a Castillo-Betts-Bradley lineup should be fucking deadly good defense, no reason not to let em work it out at this level the rest of the season.

Uehara could probably be useful elsewhere.

and put Kelly the pen already, I can't deal with another one of these disaster outings like tonight, he's just not a starter in this league. We got hosed in that Lackey trade.

And JBJ replaces him. Or Nava gets moved. So replace a LHB with a LHB. I heard Uyemura and/or Junichi are possible. Also Hanigan. The only one I'd like to keep is Tazawa. I don't know why they sent Brian Johnson back after his last start. I would like to see him up for a while.

The Portly Panda has not been much better playing third. Do they accelerate his transition to 1st by playing him there now? They could go with Holt / Ramirez at 3rd for the rest of the year. I just couldn't trust Ramirez at 1st at this point. He looks more indifferent in the field than Manny did.

I don't know but the major league talent evaluation just has to improve.

In comment 12388327 Bill L said:

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And JBJ replaces him. Or Nava gets moved. So replace a LHB with a LHB. I heard Uyemura and/or Junichi are possible. Also Hanigan. The only one I'd like to keep is Tazawa. I don't know why they sent Brian Johnson back after his last start. I would like to see him up for a while.

I agree, Taz is still young and effective, even with overuse. Moving him at this point just creates another hole to fill. Time to get younger.

Jackie Bradley is a major league hitter.

long term getting him on track is part of the plan, and his splits with Hanigan catching him are light years ahead of the other guys this season - 37 IP, 3.16 ERA and a 221/278/336 triple slash against 9.28 319/370/604 in 21.1 with Leon and 5.63 316/353/474 in 54.1 with Swihart.

In comment 12388339 Greg from LI said:

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Shhhhh...Top farm system or something.

no reason not to give him another shot in an otherwise lost season at the MLB level. He's got an elite glove, if he can be even a replacement level MLB bat that's a future trade piece of decent value.

That's not a small sample and he's not especially young anymore.

the 304/377/471 line in AAA is a big step up off last year where he even floundered at that level. If Coco Crisp can carve out a 14 year career there's hope for a player with the glove skills of his caliber.

He presses and hasn't proven he can consistently hit but down in Pawtucket he finds himself. I'm hoping that if he comes up with a steady job he'll relax and find himself there as well. I don't agree with Greg in the sense that I think that the ability to hit is within him. And with his youth, it's too early to write him off. One concern I do have is that he's been hitting a lot of home runs in AAA lately. He's not a power hitter and trying to be one screwed him up when he was up for an extended time last.

On Porcello, hang an won't be here for sure once Vazquez gets back so he might as well use this season to grow up and realize that how he pitches is on him and not on a baby sitter. Same goes with Bucc actually.

In comment 12388343 WeatherMan said:

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no reason not to give him another shot in an otherwise lost season at the MLB level. He's got an elite glove, if he can be even a replacement level MLB bat that's a future trade piece of decent value.

That's if he can hit at or near RL. If he cant, he's nothing more than a defensive replacement in the OF. Not that valuable.

dominate for a couple months then back to the DL he goes, going into this season thinking they could rely on him at the top of the rotation turned out to be a massive mistake.

But I'm hoping that Hanley plays first next year and the following year Hanley moves to DH, Panda to first, and some combination of players that starts to wean Devers in at 3rd. Moncada is going to be awesome (I hope) but Devers is the one I want to see. He and Anderson Espinoza and Moncada. I'm not really unhappy with this year, if they hold onto these guys. I'm looking forward to a few years from now.

But he's not a power guy, so I can't really understand how his AAA is not translating. That's why I said, I think it's more internal than lack of ability.

if he comes back up and spends the next 2 months stinking up the bigs again he's done, but he's earned one last shot with his improved line in the minors this season.

It's not like he's blocked

buy an ace on the market this offseason, there will be a few available and between Napoli, Victorino, and Masterson coming off the books alone that's 38.5 mil freed up.

@Ken_Rosenthal: BREAKING: Tulo traded to #BlueJays.

Wonder what happens with Reyes...or what Toronto sent to COL.

According to MLBTR's app update

per ESPN. Well, that's a move.

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According to MLBTR's app update

What happens to Reyes. The Jays need pitching.

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In comment 12388377 Kulish29 said: Quote: According to MLBTR's app update What happens to Reyes. The Jays need pitching.

Reyes is going to Colorado..

Sense then.

The Jays are likely stuck with a player that has major injury concerns and a ridiculous contract. Yet, what they should have been targeting was an upgrade to their pitching staff.

In comment 12388433 Kulish29 said:

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The Jays are likely stuck with a player that has major injury concerns and a ridiculous contract. Yet, what they should have been targeting was an upgrade to their pitching staff.

And he's going to be playing on astroturf. Not the best surface for someone with his injuries to be playing on so often, I'd imagine.

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In comment 12388433 Kulish29 said: Quote: The Jays are likely stuck with a player that has major injury concerns and a ridiculous contract. Yet, what they should have been targeting was an upgrade to their pitching staff. And he's going to be playing on astroturf. Not the best surface for someone with his injuries to be playing on so often, I'd imagine.

Exactly. I don't dispute the fact that he is a great player, if/when healthy. But, why would one of the best offensive teams in baseball trade for such a fragile luxury when, pitching is the most glaring need?

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In comment 12388433 Kulish29 said: Quote: The Jays are likely stuck with a player that has major injury concerns and a ridiculous contract. Yet, what they should have been targeting was an upgrade to their pitching staff. And he's going to be playing on astroturf. Not the best surface for someone with his injuries to be playing on so often, I'd imagine.

They are swapping out the field-turf for grass in 2017 I believe.

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The Jays are likely stuck with a player that has major injury concerns and a ridiculous contract. Yet, what they should have been targeting was an upgrade to their pitching staff.

Yup. The only way this would suck is if Toronto somehow goes bananas and makes a crazy offer to get Hamels. I don't even know if they have the firepower to make that kind of move. A guy like Samardzija doesn't scare me and doesn't turn them into a playoff team either. It's basically Hamels, Price or bust if they really want to make a difference.

In one of the Red Sox minor league games last night, the catcher caught the first 14 innings of a game and then pitched a perfect 15th inning to earn a Save.

That's a very fast lineup with Reyes added. Add in the power of Arod and Tex and that's a is very interesting team.

Reyes really doesn't make any sense for them.

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Yep, as I said in the other thread, Didi's hitting .294/.333/.397 over the last month. With his glove, that's plenty of offense.

Somewhat off-topic.....have you ever seen a guy have a truly great season that was more obscure or quieter than Paul Goldschmidt's? Virtually no one talks about him yet he's putting up a .345/.465/.611 line.

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In comment 12388637 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: . Yep, as I said in the other thread, Didi's hitting .294/.333/.397 over the last month. With his glove, that's plenty of offense. Somewhat off-topic.....have you ever seen a guy have a truly great season that was more obscure or quieter than Paul Goldschmidt's? Virtually no one talks about him yet he's putting up a .345/.465/.611 line.

Not to mention 22 HRs and a league leading 75 RBIs, kid is a beast. He is having an MVP type season, too bad Arizona isn't contending or else I think he would be getting a lot more attention.

has to regret signing that extension

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has to regret signing that extension

Yup, which is why I think the death of the old Yankees-style FA signings was overblown. We're going to see players like Goldschmidt who will have left significant money on the table by signing early extensions, and I think truly elite players will start to think twice about them.

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Reyes really doesn't make any sense for them.

BS - adding more speed to that lineup and a guy who gets on base is gold. Not to mention, the infield just got that much better.

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In comment 12388695 DanMetroMan said: Quote: has to regret signing that extension Yup, which is why I think the death of the old Yankees-style FA signings was overblown. We're going to see players like Goldschmidt who will have left significant money on the table by signing early extensions, and I think truly elite players will start to think twice about them.

Locked up through his age 31 season. I mean I don't "feel bad" but he could be looking at a RIDICULOUS deal otherwise.

goldschmidt has 85 bb and 85 k's.

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In comment 12388635 jlukes said: Quote: Reyes really doesn't make any sense for them. BS - adding more speed to that lineup and a guy who gets on base is gold. Not to mention, the infield just got that much better.

Reyes has been awful defensively this season and his OBP is .322.

I'd rather stick with Didi than take on an aging, sub par defender with a bad contract.

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Sources say Jonathan Papelbon trade to #Nationals still "likely" to happen, but Nats & Phillies still working through "hurdles."

Ken Rosenthal
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#Dodgers prioritizing Hamels. Want to exhaust possibility b4 act on Plan B such as Gallardo, etc. Still insist will not move Seager/Urias

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Joel Sherman #Dodgers prioritizing Hamels. Want to exhaust possibility b4 act on Plan B such as Gallardo, etc. Still insist will not move Seager/Urias

If they arent giving up those 2, DeLeon has to be the guy the Phillies get.

At his age with the money he makes. Spend that money on pitching

done.

RHP Nick Pivetta.

Joel Sherman 41 seconds ago
Lots of wonder if #Tigers will shift to sell mode, but as of now interested teams have yet to be contacted to be told Price is available.