I dont trust Klein to play on the 2nd line anyway should the need arise.
I do, but that's a debate that's been argued ad nauseum. The key is trading Girardi and Glass and then all of a sudden, depending on how you see Klein, his contract becomes a bargain for a second pair. I will say this though: I think his offensive stats last year were an anomaly. I doubt he replicates them.
There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents. We just signed the wrong one. And if the DG/MS contracts aren't moveable all options are open. The team need financial flexibility. It's hard for a GM to function effectively when you're so tight against the cap.
I think we'll find a way to sign Yandle. We gave up a lot for him and with Boyle gone after this season he fills a role we need.
are fantasy to me. Not worth discussing. Girardi has a NMC and his contract isnt a bargain -- where do you see him going? And trading Glass cant be a key, since at most he'd save us like 800k.
But I think Nash and Boyle will go (maybe Klein), to keep Yandle, Krieder and Hayes and still have flexibility.
At some point if they're not winning the Cup, Nash figures to be moved to create space to pay the ascending core, and perhaps to go after a younger star who's a better post-season performer, eg.
There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
I think trading Nash is definitely something to consider next
Off-season, barring an elevation in playoff performance. I think it gives the team the best option to maintain their window unless he becomes the lead guy.
There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
We didn't even need hindsight. Many said it at the time.
There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
We didn't even need hindsight. Many said it at the time.
Agreed, Jon. I recall us speaking about it at the time of elimination. I suspect the Rangers have an ear open, but aren't looking to move him. That probably changes next off-season.
I think a JVR or Schwartz would make sense (type of production, not necessarily these specific players - STL doesn't have the space). A 25-30 goal scorer, plus pieces.
The return this off-season for first-line talent was quite low, and might be next season as well if Stamkos/Kopitar hit the market.
there just isn't much of a correlation between faceoff wins
and winning games. Statistically, you get one more win per 245 faceoff wins. You win more games with Derek Stepan than you would with a lesser player who is superior on faceoffs.
Sure, it's better to win faceoffs than to lose them, but the negative impact of losing them is fairly minor. Link - ( New Window )
Stepan is not eligible for a no-trade in the first two-years of the deal but is believed to have gotten a no-trade in years 3 and 4 of the deal and a limited no-trade in years 5 and 6. (NY Post)
Stepan is not eligible for a no-trade in the first two-years of the deal but is believed to have gotten a no-trade in years 3 and 4 of the deal and a limited no-trade in years 5 and 6. (NY Post)
You get a NTC. And you get a NTC. And you get a NTC.
Yikes. Even worse. I guess Gorton learned from Sather.
It's much worse when it's given to a player like Girardi who is already starting to hit a downswing at the time of the deal. Barring injury, we should get great value out of Stepan's deal.
The cause if obvious. When you ask a guy to recognize the cap crunch and take a home town discount in a high tax state, his first demand should be a NMC. If you say no, then you're not really committed to him, are you? Especially when Staal, DG, and Zucc got them.
I went in saying I was fine with Stepan getting a NMC if he took a below-market deal. I think he would have gotten $7.5-8 on the open-market, but $6.5M-$7M seemed reasonable given the relative RFA leverage - so I'm a little disappointed he got the NMC.
I thought Zucc could've got $5.5-6M on the open market, so the NMC made sense.
At his age a NMC isn't a big deal for Step. He'll be thirty when this contract ends.
As far as DG being a mid-season signing it was either trade him or sign him. He was in the last year of the deal. Same thing for Straalman. With Staal coming due the following year it was going to be one or the other not both.
How all the home grown talent gets moved on this team. Even with the guys like Stepan or the other clown, you guys talk about the deal and possibly moving him when you figure its the end of the line. Weird relationship between the fans, brass and the players. Granted its business and a sign of the times but this was a stanley cup contender which is now a shell of that team.
How all the home grown talent gets moved on this team. Even with the guys like Stepan or the other clown, you guys talk about the deal and possibly moving him when you figure its the end of the line. Weird relationship between the fans, brass and the players. Granted its business and a sign of the times but this was a stanley cup contender which is now a shell of that team.
Hyperbole much?
11 of the 23 players listed on the Rangers site played their
How all the home grown talent gets moved on this team. Even with the guys like Stepan or the other clown, you guys talk about the deal and possibly moving him when you figure its the end of the line. Weird relationship between the fans, brass and the players. Granted its business and a sign of the times but this was a stanley cup contender which is now a shell of that team.
Hope you just collected rather than drink that Nassau Colosseum water. Drinking it might explain the drain bamage.
Hagelin had to go because of cap reasons, as did Callahan (thank God).
They wouldn't have been able to fit those guys in a cap world.
Letting Stralman go was the only one that was really a mistake. Would the Rangers be better today with Dubi and Anisimov over Nash (and they wouldn't have been able to fit both anyway)?
Home-grown teams still have to churn guys. Fast replaces Hagelin, Skjei will replace Girardi when Lundqvist murders him after costing us another series this year...
Tyutin? Really? Stralman wasn't homegrown and he was a FA. I miss Dubs and I'll miss Hags but deals are made and a lot of the Rangers core is here and it's young. I'll count Hayes in that as well though he was drafted elsewhere he cut his teeth in NY>. More in the pipeline as well with Skjei and Buch here by 2017 at the latest imo.
a dick. I am stating what I think is the wrong moves for teams. Getting Nash or MSL has not paid off. If you had the home grown guys, a) you would appreciate them more, b) and winning would be better with seeing the guys grow up and win.....
since he's been here. He gets crap about the playoffs but I'd rather have the last 3 years of Nash instead of the slogfest of Dubi, AA, Erixon and god knows whoever else was in that deal.
He's been a major contributor to one of the most successful runs in team history. Do we want more from him in the playoffs? Absolutely. The ultimate triumph hasn't been achieved...yet. The book isn't closed so let's not act like the final chapter in the Rick Nash saga has been written.
Fish even more useless than usual. Go start a Brooklynders thread and talk to yourself.
Hags, Del Zotto, Dubinsly, Tytuin, Stralman. Who's next? Better off keeping these guys together, the core.
Players change hands non-stop. When did you start believing teams held onto all their players? Look at the trade deadline and offseason. The NHL offseason is as crazy as the NFL offseason with all moves.
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Keeping Klein doesn't mean we can't keep Yandle.
I dont trust Klein to play on the 2nd line anyway should the need arise.
I do, but that's a debate that's been argued ad nauseum. The key is trading Girardi and Glass and then all of a sudden, depending on how you see Klein, his contract becomes a bargain for a second pair. I will say this though: I think his offensive stats last year were an anomaly. I doubt he replicates them.
I think we'll find a way to sign Yandle. We gave up a lot for him and with Boyle gone after this season he fills a role we need.
At some point if they're not winning the Cup, Nash figures to be moved to create space to pay the ascending core, and perhaps to go after a younger star who's a better post-season performer, eg.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
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There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
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There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
We didn't even need hindsight. Many said it at the time.
go ahead and point. I won't be offended. :-)
But seriously, your point is spot on
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There was no 'bird in hand' in the AS/DG situation. Both players were free agents.
DG was not a free agent when he was resigned. He resigned midseason, and there were rumors that the Ducks were putting together a nice package for him centered around Sami Vatanen.
Yeah, that one really hurts in hindsight
We didn't even need hindsight. Many said it at the time.
It definitely sucks
I think a JVR or Schwartz would make sense (type of production, not necessarily these specific players - STL doesn't have the space). A 25-30 goal scorer, plus pieces.
The return this off-season for first-line talent was quite low, and might be next season as well if Stamkos/Kopitar hit the market.
Sure, it's better to win faceoffs than to lose them, but the negative impact of losing them is fairly minor.
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You get a NTC. And you get a NTC. And you get a NTC.
Stepan indicates there is a no-trade early in contract, then a no-movement through six years.
It's much worse when it's given to a player like Girardi who is already starting to hit a downswing at the time of the deal. Barring injury, we should get great value out of Stepan's deal.
The lack of cap growth is killing us.
I thought Zucc could've got $5.5-6M on the open market, so the NMC made sense.
As far as DG being a mid-season signing it was either trade him or sign him. He was in the last year of the deal. Same thing for Straalman. With Staal coming due the following year it was going to be one or the other not both.
So they'll trade them when they realize our window is shut in February.
-MAB
Hyperbole much?
They aren't a shell of last year's team. MSL was dead and Hagelin had to go for cap reasons.
Hope you just collected rather than drink that Nassau Colosseum water. Drinking it might explain the drain bamage.
They wouldn't have been able to fit those guys in a cap world.
Letting Stralman go was the only one that was really a mistake. Would the Rangers be better today with Dubi and Anisimov over Nash (and they wouldn't have been able to fit both anyway)?
Home-grown teams still have to churn guys. Fast replaces Hagelin, Skjei will replace Girardi when Lundqvist murders him after costing us another series this year...
Only four of the Islanders did.
The Rangers are still driven by their home-grown players.
Now bury Glass and let's go.
haha I knew you would be! I just had to share that groundbreaking opinion with you all.
Also, Fish is the worst.
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Fish even more useless than usual. Go start a Brooklynders thread and talk to yourself.
Players change hands non-stop. When did you start believing teams held onto all their players? Look at the trade deadline and offseason. The NHL offseason is as crazy as the NFL offseason with all moves.
Com'on Fishsticks