Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord 14m14 minutes ago
Derek Stepan's arbitration hearing set for 9am in Toronto. Same time as my annual physical. I know I'm making my appointment.
Will Step?
Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord 14m14 minutes ago
Derek Stepan's arbitration hearing set for 9am in Toronto. Same time as my annual physical. I know I'm making my appointment.
Will Step?
under 7 mil per year. I like Step but we all know he's not a # 1 center and he's what I would call a nice # 2 or 2B. Sure, his camp has some leverage but I'd really hate to see this thing get out of hand..
but you have to get it done cause he is only 24. I'd like a 5 year deal around $35m. Starting a little lower then 7 and working its way up. Sound fair?
He's not a top ten center. But he's absolutely a #1 center.
Brass is closer to a #1 center in my opinion. Sure, Step sees the ice well and distributes the puck well but his lack of effectiveness in the faceoff circle, his disappearing acts and his inability to push the pace tells me he should not be paid as a #1. I'm also judging him by the last time we saw him in the Tampa series, he was invisible.
under 7 mil per year. I like Step but we all know he's not a # 1 center and he's what I would call a nice # 2 or 2B. Sure, his camp has some leverage but I'd really hate to see this thing get out of hand..
Given increased cap (go by %, not absolute) 7 mil ain't what it used to be.
Brassard probably falls a bit short and needs another year of quality play as well.
You can't name 30 centers better than Stepan. His PPG average at his age is equivalent to Bergeron's was. Bergeron's better at everything, but Stepan is underrated around here. I don't like his possession numbers, but he was weighed down for some time by MSL (during the regular season).
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PPG from ages 21-24:
Patrice Bergeron: .75
Derek Stepan: .74
David Kreijci: .74
Ryan O'Reilly: .73
Jordan Staal: .68
Joe Pavelski: .61
I understand he wants to get paid. If he is going to sign a long term deal now he wants some 'inflation' built into the AAV of the deal. The problem is Sather left Gorton with very little wiggle room and a team to run. If they can get it done for $6.75M on a five/six year deal that would be fair for both sides imo.
That's an arbitration negotiating tactic. Frankly as Step is an RFA that number is close to the established comps. No one knows what the long term behind closed doors contract talks are. Obviously they haven't agreed on a deal but you can bet the rangers are offering significantly more than $5.2M on a multi year contract.
under 7 mil per year. I like Step but we all know he's not a # 1 center and he's what I would call a nice # 2 or 2B. Sure, his camp has some leverage but I'd really hate to see this thing get out of hand..
Given increased cap (go by %, not absolute) 7 mil ain't what it used to be.
Most analyses disagree with you.
See also: BSB2 - ( New Window )
Agreed Jay. I just don't want to see them overpay simply because of their dearth at the position. I just think it's unacceptable to pay him Toews like money or for that matter the kind of money a true #1 center, that can carry a team, demands. I just see him slotted at #2.
it kills to lose a DuClair. If they had he and Buchevich (non-centers) maybe you don't have to pay top dollar for a center b/c the wingers are so good. Maybe a just a nice passer is all that would be needed.
That's why the arbitration number is low at $5.2M and why Stepan might go to arbitration. If he feels the team isn't offering enough to 'buy out' his free agent status next year he will opt for the one year deal then test the market. Again this is why the $5.2M isn't a number that matters as it certainly isn't what the team is offering behind closed doors on a multi year contract. Obviously Steps camp isn't satisfied with whatever Gorton has on the table in that regard or a deal would have been closed.
There haven't been any leaks on the Stepan long term negotiations. All we have are the arbitration proposals from both sides. Low on the team side and high on the player as expected.
Gorton made comments indicating he's unhappy with some of the NMC's that have been doled out.
He should be. Boyle in particular. We're locking into Staal, Girardi, and Boyle. None on brutal deals, but it would be swell if we could have moved one this offseason.
say three years? That offers him some personal stability but gives the team room to maneuver in the not too distant future. I agree with Gorton that in general NMC should be reserved for impact players who have leverage. In Steps case at his age it wouldn't bother me to dole one out.
RE: Toews got a deal that pays carries a $10.5M AAV.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
I also wonder whether arbitration has become less brutal
10-15 years ago it was a bunch of drunk, mustachioed Canadians in a room yelling at eachother. Total seat of your pants argument about whether guys were complete players, carried by linemates, sheltered minutes etc. Now with all the advanced stats at least both sides have a dry way of pressing their comps. Yesterday's "you're not as good as X" is replaced by "well you havent driven possession as well as X, who also has more defensive zone starts..."
from what I've read Torrag's correct, $6.5M looks like a spot where he's paid handsomely but not receiving the benefit of bloated value from ROR's deal, eg.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
The New York Rangers have agreed to terms with RFA center Derek Stepan on a multi-year contract. Per Larry Brooks, it is a six year deal worth $6.5 million per year.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
Stepan's had a higher PPG average than Krejci and Stastny two of the past three years. Seguin isn't comparable because he was younger when he signed his deal. Tavares make $5.5M - both are irrelevant.
We get much more of Stepan's prime years than the Bruins would get with Bergeron (and Bergeron's PPG average 21-24 is equivalent to Stepan's).
Derek Stepan's arbitration hearing set for 9am in Toronto. Same time as my annual physical. I know I'm making my appointment.
Will Step?
Derek Stepan's arbitration hearing set for 9am in Toronto. Same time as my annual physical. I know I'm making my appointment.
Will Step?
LOL
"Derek -- cough."
Also, Dan Girardi sucks.
me too
To make 3 conference finals in 4 years, off two #1 seeds. It's not like we've been a capped out, not pick lottery team like the Knicks.
In any event, Stepan is one of the few guys we absolutely have to get done.
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Brass is closer to a #1 center in my opinion. Sure, Step sees the ice well and distributes the puck well but his lack of effectiveness in the faceoff circle, his disappearing acts and his inability to push the pace tells me he should not be paid as a #1. I'm also judging him by the last time we saw him in the Tampa series, he was invisible.
Given increased cap (go by %, not absolute) 7 mil ain't what it used to be.
Most analyses disagree with you.
See also:
BSB2 - ( New Window )
You can't name 30 centers better than Stepan. His PPG average at his age is equivalent to Bergeron's was. Bergeron's better at everything, but Stepan is underrated around here. I don't like his possession numbers, but he was weighed down for some time by MSL (during the regular season).
Patrice Bergeron: .75
Derek Stepan: .74
David Kreijci: .74
Ryan O'Reilly: .73
Jordan Staal: .68
Joe Pavelski: .61
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under 7 mil per year. I like Step but we all know he's not a # 1 center and he's what I would call a nice # 2 or 2B. Sure, his camp has some leverage but I'd really hate to see this thing get out of hand..
Given increased cap (go by %, not absolute) 7 mil ain't what it used to be.
Most analyses disagree with you.
See also: BSB2 - ( New Window )
Agreed Jay. I just don't want to see them overpay simply because of their dearth at the position. I just think it's unacceptable to pay him Toews like money or for that matter the kind of money a true #1 center, that can carry a team, demands. I just see him slotted at #2.
Stepan, Rangers meeting this morning in attempt to reach agreement and avoid arbitration hearing...
He should be. Boyle in particular. We're locking into Staal, Girardi, and Boyle. None on brutal deals, but it would be swell if we could have moved one this offseason.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
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Stepan probably won't get 70% of that.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
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Noice
Wanna bet that wasn't part of their arbitration filing? LOL.
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@NYRangers OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with restricted free agent forward Derek Stepan on a multi-year contract.
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+1 phew!
Nice Gorton, if true!
Rangers, Stepan agree 6 years $6.5M per....
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Stepan probably won't get 70% of that.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
Stepan's had a higher PPG average than Krejci and Stastny two of the past three years. Seguin isn't comparable because he was younger when he signed his deal. Tavares make $5.5M - both are irrelevant.
We get much more of Stepan's prime years than the Bruins would get with Bergeron (and Bergeron's PPG average 21-24 is equivalent to Stepan's).