Larry Brooks should hang them up. The fearmongering over the impending Stepocalypse all summer was for naught. Indeed, being up against the cap I think has helped us in the Zucc and Step negotiations tremendously.
Would like to see no NMC.
RE: Ha this is the Rangers tweet immediately following the deal tweet
Pierre McGuire @MobilePierre 2m2 minutes ago
@NYRangers DEREK STEPAN FROM HASTINGS MINNESOTA! GRADUATE OF WORLD RENOWN SHATTUCK ST MARYS! POCKETED 111 POINTS HIS SENIOR YEAR! #NYR
earlier this month of what Stepan was worth on a long term deal. Conclusion:
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Judging, then, by the fact that Stepan is solidly in the middle of these comparables [ed. Krejci, Koivu, O'Reilly, J. Staal, Stastny], let's say he's worth about 10.25 percent of the cap. That puts him around $7.32 million, and that seems like a reasonable number for him to get. Anything less and he's probably selling himself short.
So we got a good deal. And if the cap ever pops, Stepan and Brassard for $11.5 million is a very economical 1-2 or an insanely productive 2-3. Link - ( New Window )
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Pierre McGuire @MobilePierre 2m2 minutes ago
@NYRangers DEREK STEPAN FROM HASTINGS MINNESOTA! GRADUATE OF WORLD RENOWN SHATTUCK ST MARYS! POCKETED 111 POINTS HIS SENIOR YEAR! #NYR
MORE IMPORTANT -- Derek Stepan, Badger!!!
Now that he's signed what do we want to see from Step?
Personally I want more offensive consistency. He goes on streaks where he'll rack up 10 points in a week then Zzzzzzz for a week. The next step in his development is becoming a more reliable presence on the score sheet.
I was confused as to why so many Rangers fans (mostly elsewhere, but some here) wanted him last year. I don't think he's better than Stepan, but worst case they're close.
Skjei we have flexibility to leave in Hartford all year right?
They've tested the Klein market and given his contract they haven't gotten a deal that makes sense. Some argue he's exposed as a top 4 D and overpaid as a 3rd pair guy. I don't buy that. Before the injury last season he was our 2nd best Dman after Mac and it wasn't really close. He struggled on his return but frankly our vaunted 'D' had a subpar playoffs as a whole imo.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Just happy to see it wasn't more than 6.5 per.
In that "very good" season he outscored Stepan by all of 3 points. The year before that he did not miss half the season with injury. You're forgetting about the lockout -- he played 40 games to Stepan's 48. If we want to cut guys a break for injury, then Stepan's points for this season re-adjust to a 66 point pace. Stepan also tends to get a tough matchup for us, whereas Stastny has Backes to handle big minute, tough opposition.
You position that you could not accept Stepan making $$ in the area of Stastny continues to make no sense.
RE: The three D they prefer to move have NMC in place
They've tested the Klein market and given his contract they haven't gotten a deal that makes sense. Some argue he's exposed as a top 4 D and overpaid as a 3rd pair guy. I don't buy that. Before the injury last season he was our 2nd best Dman after Mac and it wasn't really close. He struggled on his return but frankly our vaunted 'D' had a subpar playoffs as a whole imo.
I've gone back and forth on this, but I'm fine keeping Klein. It seemed like someone had to be moved, and he was the logical piece given his lack of no-move. I'm fine keeping eight D and dumping Glass. I'm in the camp he's overplayed on the second pair, but he's still a good player.
The Rangers plan on keeping Yandle next year, I think you'll see them move Staal or Klein plus. The thing that's a killer is we still have 2 more years of Boyle.
RE: RE: wouldn't mind moving Staal's contract out of here
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Just happy to see it wasn't more than 6.5 per.
In that "very good" season he outscored Stepan by all of 3 points. The year before that he did not miss half the season with injury. You're forgetting about the lockout -- he played 40 games to Stepan's 48. If we want to cut guys a break for injury, then Stepan's points for this season re-adjust to a 66 point pace. Stepan also tends to get a tough matchup for us, whereas Stastny has Backes to handle big minute, tough opposition.
You position that you could not accept Stepan making $$ in the area of Stastny continues to make no sense.
In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
The Rangers plan on keeping Yandle next year, I think you'll see them move Staal or Klein plus. The thing that's a killer is we still have 2 more years of Boyle.
The Rangers plan on keeping Yandle next year, I think you'll see them move Staal or Klein plus. The thing that's a killer is we still have 2 more years of Boyle.
The Rangers plan on keeping Yandle next year, I think you'll see them move Staal or Klein plus. The thing that's a killer is we still have 2 more years of Boyle.
Boyle is off the books after this year I thought
You're right.
2012 - Thanks. I like Staal. Thought he had a really good first two rounds before being a dumpster fire (along with everyone other than Yandle and Boyle) against Tampa. I'm a huge critic of Girardi's and think he's going to continue to get worse. I think he holds McDonagh back quite a bit.
Getting Girardi or Staal to agree to a deal would be a coup for Gorton
Trading one of them out of town remains the clear best solution. Preferably Girardi but Staal probably carries more value on the market. Then Boyle expires, you re-sign Yandle and carry a cap savings forward to next years RFA crop.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Toews got a deal that pays carries a $10.5M AAV.
In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
So now you're just going to flail rather than say that Stepan is comparable to Stastny and possibly better. Gotcha.
If I acknowledged no flaws in Step's game then I'd be advocating for a $10 million contract.
RE: faceoffs are, on the whole, fairly unimportant
If puck possession is such a significant measuring stick than why can't faceoff's be considered a important component? Perhaps those who were screaming bloody murder during game threads when we were being pushed around in the circle were just over reacting? At any rate, I don't believe faceoffs should be discounted.
If puck possession is such a significant measuring stick than why can't faceoff's be considered a important component? Perhaps those who were screaming bloody murder during game threads when we were being pushed around in the circle were just over reacting? At any rate, I don't believe faceoffs should be discounted.
Of course face offs are very important. The Rangers supposedly run more plays off the face off than any team in the league. Face offs = puck possession.
I like Staal. Thought he had a really good first two rounds before being a dumpster fire (along with everyone other than Yandle and Boyle) against Tampa. I'm a huge critic of Girardi's and think he's going to continue to get worse. I think he holds McDonagh back quite a bit.
Moving Klein is really key. Move him now. Aside from the fact that I just dont like his game, it's the Stralman situation all over again -- we should have resigned AS and traded DG. Now we should resign Yandle and trade Klein, hopefully for a near ready RH defensive prospect.
It's really nothing like the AS/DG situation. No one is advocating re-signing Klein to a new contract with a major raise. The thing to do is explore the options to move Girardi/Staal. Now that Stepan is done I'd say that route provides Gorton the best opportunity to get this teams cap under control.
Moving Klein is really key. Move him now. Aside from the fact that I just dont like his game, it's the Stralman situation all over again -- we should have resigned AS and traded DG. Now we should resign Yandle and trade Klein, hopefully for a near ready RH defensive prospect.
How is it like the Stralman situation? I don't think that a guy making 3 million per is comparable to Girardi getting paid a shit ton. Klein has a very reasonable cap hit. Girardi doesn't. Keeping Klein doesn't mean we can't keep Yandle.
Staal and DG can block their own trades for 3 and 2 more seasons, respectively. It is therefore very likely follow to try and shop them unless they've pre-authorized Gordon to make moves.
The comparison to the Stralman situation is this - it looks like it may be another replay of us holding onto the bird in hand and letting the UFA walk, rather than extending the guy we'll lose for nothing and monetizing the movable asset.
In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
So now you're just going to flail rather than say that Stepan is comparable to Stastny and possibly better. Gotcha.
If I acknowledged no flaws in Step's game then I'd be advocating for a $10 million contract.
I'm not saying he's markedly better rather I was pointing to either similar players or players being paid commensurate with the #1 center position which I believe Step is not. I maintain my position that he's not a #1 therefore he's not worthy of 7 mil - 7 plus per year and I'm happy to see that was the outcome.
By the way, what's wrong with flailing with the gloves on anyway?
Trade Klein and we free up $3 million, which is about what Yandle will get over his NYR cap # for this season.
IMO we need to shed several biggish salaries before 2016. I think Boyle and Klein make a lot of sense. Neither will be a huge loss. I dont trust Klein to play on the 2nd line anyway should the need arise.
Would like to see no NMC.
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Stepan became the 1st #NYR center to record 50 or more points in 3 consecutive seasons (82 games) since Wayne Gretzky
Wanna bet that wasn't part of their arbitration filing? LOL.
Ha!
I hope this added cap flexibility doesn't keep glass around though !!
@NYRangers DEREK STEPAN FROM HASTINGS MINNESOTA! GRADUATE OF WORLD RENOWN SHATTUCK ST MARYS! POCKETED 111 POINTS HIS SENIOR YEAR! #NYR
+1
Fair deal for both sides. Makes Step a very wealthy young man in the Supermodel capital of the world. Well maybe that's LA but you get the drift.
So we got a good deal. And if the cap ever pops, Stepan and Brassard for $11.5 million is a very economical 1-2 or an insanely productive 2-3.
Link - ( New Window )
Crosby went to St. Mary's too!
It appears Skjei and McIl will have to win spots out of camp to force a D-man trade.
TANNER GLASS WORKING WITH A SKILLS COACH - ( New Window )
But I,m thrilled at 6.5. Terrific job by Gorton
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Stepan probably won't get 70% of that.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Just happy to see it wasn't more than 6.5 per.
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Pierre McGuire @MobilePierre 2m2 minutes ago
@NYRangers DEREK STEPAN FROM HASTINGS MINNESOTA! GRADUATE OF WORLD RENOWN SHATTUCK ST MARYS! POCKETED 111 POINTS HIS SENIOR YEAR! #NYR
MORE IMPORTANT -- Derek Stepan, Badger!!!
Go get boyes now on a one year deal
Go get boyes now on a one year deal
Yes, Skjei can be down in Hartford all year.
Would you rather move Girardi or Staal?
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Stepan probably won't get 70% of that.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Just happy to see it wasn't more than 6.5 per.
In that "very good" season he outscored Stepan by all of 3 points. The year before that he did not miss half the season with injury. You're forgetting about the lockout -- he played 40 games to Stepan's 48. If we want to cut guys a break for injury, then Stepan's points for this season re-adjust to a 66 point pace. Stepan also tends to get a tough matchup for us, whereas Stastny has Backes to handle big minute, tough opposition.
You position that you could not accept Stepan making $$ in the area of Stastny continues to make no sense.
I've gone back and forth on this, but I'm fine keeping Klein. It seemed like someone had to be moved, and he was the logical piece given his lack of no-move. I'm fine keeping eight D and dumping Glass. I'm in the camp he's overplayed on the second pair, but he's still a good player.
I'm also surprised and disappointed staal never developed an offensive game. Doesn't seem like a good fit in av's system
We will need to figure a way to move one of these guys to retain yandle. Boyle coming off books isn't enough
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the inexpensive return could be nice.
Would you rather move Girardi or Staal?
I'd move Girardi yet think the return on Staal would be better. Given the depth of defensemen I'd move Staal. I've never been a huge fan of his.
I think you're right - but would also leave us a gaping hole on D where basically we didn't have any offensive weapons back there
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Stepan probably won't get 70% of that.
Toews is a poor example but I cannot accept a contract that will see him making more than Seguin or for instance in the area of a Bergeron, Krejci, Kopitar or a Statsny. Current market conditions aside, any more that 6 - 6.5 mil per would not be commensurate with his level of play.
You cant accept Stepan making more than Paul fucking Stastny? Why? Stepan outscored Stasney over 1, 3, and 5 year periods despite being a lot younger.
As for Kopitar, you're focusing on a contract signed before the 2009 season. He will get extended for $10+ million this summer.
Yahoo: Anze Kopitar And The Elite Center Mega-Contract - ( New Window )
Statsny had a bit of a down year w STL but his numbers the previous season were very good and he played less than half a season due to injury 2 seasons ago. His faceoff numbers are far superior to Steps which is one of my gripes w #21. Don't get me wrong, I like him but I also see the pimples and again the last time he was on the ice he was very difficult to pick up with the naked eye.
Just happy to see it wasn't more than 6.5 per.
In that "very good" season he outscored Stepan by all of 3 points. The year before that he did not miss half the season with injury. You're forgetting about the lockout -- he played 40 games to Stepan's 48. If we want to cut guys a break for injury, then Stepan's points for this season re-adjust to a 66 point pace. Stepan also tends to get a tough matchup for us, whereas Stastny has Backes to handle big minute, tough opposition.
You position that you could not accept Stepan making $$ in the area of Stastny continues to make no sense.
In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
Boyle is off the books after this year I thought
Just one more year
This is the last of Boyle's two year deal.
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The Rangers plan on keeping Yandle next year, I think you'll see them move Staal or Klein plus. The thing that's a killer is we still have 2 more years of Boyle.
Boyle is off the books after this year I thought
You're right.
2012 - Thanks. I like Staal. Thought he had a really good first two rounds before being a dumpster fire (along with everyone other than Yandle and Boyle) against Tampa. I'm a huge critic of Girardi's and think he's going to continue to get worse. I think he holds McDonagh back quite a bit.
In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
So now you're just going to flail rather than say that Stepan is comparable to Stastny and possibly better. Gotcha.
If I acknowledged no flaws in Step's game then I'd be advocating for a $10 million contract.
If puck possession is such a significant measuring stick than why can't faceoff's be considered a important component? Perhaps those who were screaming bloody murder during game threads when we were being pushed around in the circle were just over reacting? At any rate, I don't believe faceoffs should be discounted.
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They don't have much of an effect on outcomes.
If puck possession is such a significant measuring stick than why can't faceoff's be considered a important component? Perhaps those who were screaming bloody murder during game threads when we were being pushed around in the circle were just over reacting? At any rate, I don't believe faceoffs should be discounted.
Of course face offs are very important. The Rangers supposedly run more plays off the face off than any team in the league. Face offs = puck possession.
I agree with all points.
How is it like the Stralman situation? I don't think that a guy making 3 million per is comparable to Girardi getting paid a shit ton. Klein has a very reasonable cap hit. Girardi doesn't. Keeping Klein doesn't mean we can't keep Yandle.
The comparison to the Stralman situation is this - it looks like it may be another replay of us holding onto the bird in hand and letting the UFA walk, rather than extending the guy we'll lose for nothing and monetizing the movable asset.
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In other words, you choose not to see any flaw in Steps game and to my main point and argument here, he's not a bonafide #1 and therefore shouldn't be paid as such meaning anywhere north of 7mil per year.
So now you're just going to flail rather than say that Stepan is comparable to Stastny and possibly better. Gotcha.
If I acknowledged no flaws in Step's game then I'd be advocating for a $10 million contract.
I'm not saying he's markedly better rather I was pointing to either similar players or players being paid commensurate with the #1 center position which I believe Step is not. I maintain my position that he's not a #1 therefore he's not worthy of 7 mil - 7 plus per year and I'm happy to see that was the outcome.
By the way, what's wrong with flailing with the gloves on anyway?
Trade Klein and we free up $3 million, which is about what Yandle will get over his NYR cap # for this season.
IMO we need to shed several biggish salaries before 2016. I think Boyle and Klein make a lot of sense. Neither will be a huge loss. I dont trust Klein to play on the 2nd line anyway should the need arise.