This past weekend I was in Boston for the first time since the Boston Marathon and little did I realize that my hotel at Copley Place was about two blocks from the bombing location.
As I was doing research trying to figure out exactly where the bombs went off, I came across at least 3 sites that call the bombing a hoax, replete with calls of actors playing the parts of the bombed.
All I can think is - What the fuck? I could see possibly if somebody was trying to theorize that it wasn't the Tsarnev brothers who did the act, but I really didn't think I'd see people claiming the act itslef was staged. Were people with bloody stumps hanging out in the alleys waiting to pop out? I mean, what the holy hell do people have go on in their brains to think something like that was faked?
[quote] In comment 12388488 sundayatone said:
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bush invaded iraq only for the oil,oh,wait.
Yes and it showed what complete idiots they were when we made no attempt at all to get their oil and still don't. But nothing will persuade stupid. [/quote
to keep the oil flowing and being priced in dollars. but freedom and wmds really turned out so well.
I don't believe any conspiracy is possible when more than a few people have to keep their mouth shut but I don't instantly suspect someone who asks reasonable questions either.
MIBS,someone is a big coast to coast am fan.
Reasonable is what often fails the sniff test when it comes to conspiracy people. The questions themselves can often sound reasonable, but the questions are rarely properly directed.
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In comment 12388734 JonC said:
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is easier than using facts. Denial is also one of the more powerful and common psychological behaviors, I've consistently read.
I think it also goes back to politics and psychology of politics. We filter our support or disdain for one party or the other and ascribe the best or worst motives. Many conspiracies seem to have a political opponent or policy as the villain.
Remember I knew Bush was involved in 9/11 because of the expression on his face when he was told in that classroom in Florida. One of the most bizarre things ever said here.
I miss buckyd.
that is so true,evidence is so clear but it does not fit in simple soundbites so people are misinformed on ME issues.
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but I don't instantly suspect someone who asks reasonable questions either.
Reasonable is what often fails the sniff test when it comes to conspiracy people. The questions themselves can often sound reasonable, but the questions are rarely properly directed.
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In comment 12388745 Bill L said:
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In comment 12388734 JonC said:
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is easier than using facts. Denial is also one of the more powerful and common psychological behaviors, I've consistently read.
I think it also goes back to politics and psychology of politics. We filter our support or disdain for one party or the other and ascribe the best or worst motives. Many conspiracies seem to have a political opponent or policy as the villain.
Remember I knew Bush was involved in 9/11 because of the expression on his face when he was told in that classroom in Florida. One of the most bizarre things ever said here.
I miss buckyd.
We all are biased as such would be prone to believe in different conspiracies. But pending on how complex a conspiracy theory someone would adhere to imo has alot to do with other factors. Some of the conspiracies in order to be true would have to involve so many people and organizations. All facts presented are dismissed. It's obvious cognitive thinking skills in particular reasoning and logic come to play. Imo personality also a factor; suspicious vs trusting, stubborn vs open minded, need to seem clever, etc.
Those who speak, do not know.
Those who speak, do not know.
Another conspiracy loon checks in...
Those who speak, do not know.
[quote] In comment 12388488 sundayatone said:
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bush invaded iraq only for the oil,oh,wait.
Yes and it showed what complete idiots they were when we made no attempt at all to get their oil and still don't. But nothing will persuade stupid. [/quote
to keep the oil flowing and being priced in dollars. but freedom and wmds really turned out so well.
Are you 12?
Keeping "the oil flowing" is kinda important to most folks that have an even cursory understanding of economics.
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has done in the Middle East for the past century has been, to one degree or another, about oil.
that is so true,evidence is so clear but it does not fit in simple soundbites so people are misinformed on ME issues.
Sunday, when you ad the qualifier "to one extent or another", the view that oil is involved in our ME decisions is absolutely valid. Where the wild eyed conspiracy theorists come in is with the idea that going to Iraq was specifically to grab their oil. There were many reasons, but the underlying idea was to create stability (or at least remove an agent of instability)in that volatile region so there would be fewer supply interruptions or "shocks". And obviously they couldn't have been more wrong
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In comment 12388682 River Mike said:
[quote] In comment 12388488 sundayatone said:
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bush invaded iraq only for the oil,oh,wait.
Yes and it showed what complete idiots they were when we made no attempt at all to get their oil and still don't. But nothing will persuade stupid. [/quote
to keep the oil flowing and being priced in dollars. but freedom and wmds really turned out so well.
Are you 12?
Keeping "the oil flowing" is kinda important to most folks that have an even cursory understanding of economics.
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really.the average person understands how oil is priced and why the american dollar is crucial to geo political events. and do people really understand what happens when the flow of oil is distributed in the ME. are a 5 yr old?
sundayatone
pinyin
ZGiants98
Who else?
sundayatone
pinyin
ZGiants98
Who else?
yes,i am wearing a tinfoil suit cause me and tens of millions citizens believe that the bush admin lied to america for the reason to invade and destabilize the ME.
by 2050 this is the map of the USA due to climate change (which he scoffs at too as a left wing conspiracy since the polar ice caps are growing).
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According to a Business Insider video, researchers have shown that last year, west Antartic glaciers retreated past the point of no return, making the ice melt “unstoppable.”
Different research indicates that the Artic may experience ice-free summers by 2050. In other words, if all the Earth’s ice melts, the ocean would rise about 216 feet. This significant rise in water levels would have a major impact on all countries bordering an ocean, and they’d lose a huge amount of land if this scary scenario unfolds.
The video focuses on what the U.S. will look like when Earth’s entire polar ice cap melts, revealing that the entire eastern seaboard, including the entire state of Florida, would be lost to the Atlantic Ocean. The same goes for major cities like Houston and New Orleans, as the Gulf of Mexico would further expand inland. Other researchers have said that up to 5,200 square miles of the Mississippi delta would disappear over the course of 85 years.
Sweet, we can finally get rid of Florida!!
plenty of documentation proving this,also,keeping the oil flowing and being priced in dollars was first and foremost to the cause.
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knew Iraq was about the oil. Not in the 'gonna steal Iraq's oil' sense, but as Rob,River and Cam (and probably some others) pointed out about stability for the oil of the region. That said, the sales pitch for the war was very careful about minimizing the oil angle. It was smart because too many folks have a hard time with the nuances of sending our guys over to die 'for the oil' vs securing a vital region with a lifeblood of the modern world. But by working so hard to make the sale not about the oil, it makes it easy to snicker about the WMDs and say it was too about the oil.
plenty of documentation proving this,also,keeping the oil flowing and being priced in dollars was first and foremost to the cause.
I always love these claims of documentations being available, especially when it comes to classified reports that somehow all of these conspiracy theorists have in their possession.
Yes, everywhere but the moon.
We don't really have the technology to get them there.
Yes, everywhere but the moon.
We don't really have the technology to get them there.
Maybe not us humans, but I heard that the lizard people are pretty freaking advanced, so they may have such technology.
Yes, everywhere but the moon.
We don't really have the technology to get them there.
Pfft.. Sheeple. You only believe they aren't on the moon because that's what Big Aerospace wants you to believe.
sundayatone
pinyin
ZGiants98
Who else?
Fekker when it comes to disappearing airliners.
Probably some CT about that.
Anyway, Iraq is fortunate the West didn't just seize the oil. We certainly could have. However, the exercise was to let the Middle East know that we can and will if we have to. So yes, it was all about oil. Welcome to the grown up world.
Anyway, Iraq is fortunate the West didn't just seize the oil. We certainly could have. However, the exercise was to let the Middle East know that we can and will if we have to. So yes, it was all about oil. Welcome to the grown up world.
Is all that really the conspiracy theory though? "Flow of oil" some might relate to, but I thought the tin foil conspiracy is that all our government officials are lackeys of Exxon or somesuch and its Exxon that sends us to wars at their behest.
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I've always believed both explanations to be hogwash.
My old pal Buckyd used to say that you agreed with him on the Bush 9/11 conspiracy but I would take your word for it if you said he was full of shit.
sundayatone
pinyin
ZGiants98
Fekker
x meadowlander
buckyd
sawxray
Who else?
Simply wasn't a concern of Bush at the time. That isn't a conspiracy. And it isn't equivalent to an ill-prepared FEMA organization pre-Katrina.