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NFL Has Upheld Brady Suspension

pjcas18 : 7/28/2015 2:34 pm
not sure if it needed a new thread or not.

from Pats beat writer, I can delete if people want.

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Ben Volin & #8207;@BenVolin 14s15 seconds ago

BREAKING: NFL has upheld Tom Brady's 4-game suspension
BOOOoooooooo  
KWALL2 : 7/28/2015 2:36 pm : link
Another break for the Cowboys. Bastages!
not surprised  
UConn4523 : 7/28/2015 2:36 pm : link
the whole thing is such a mess that as much as I want it reduced so he plays Dallas, I kind of hope it continues to drag out and embarrass the league.
.  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2015 2:36 pm : link
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Conor Orr ‏@ConorOrr 1m1 minute ago

The memo mentions destruction of Brady's cell phone "even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages"
New information came out since the suspension  
The 12th Man : 7/28/2015 2:37 pm : link
This is one of the reasons for upholding the suspension. Brady wanted his cellphone destroyed, this is a problem.
Six months to complete the whole process. Amazing.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2015 2:38 pm : link
If Brady takes it to court, you can tack on a couple of years.
once again the attempted  
Enzo : 7/28/2015 2:41 pm : link
cover-up is almost always worse than the actual crime.
wow. 4 games for pummeling a woman, 4 games for  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 2:41 pm : link
this.

Another one Goodell will lose in court.
Wait a minute...  
Strip-Sack : 7/28/2015 2:42 pm : link
so Brady goes all "reduce the suspension completely to clear my name or I'll sue" and then destroys his cell phone?? If this is correct, that was just completely moronic and really makes him look bad.
It is funny....  
Kanavis : 7/28/2015 2:46 pm : link
Listening to everyone try to figure out what he did and whether the suspension matches. This league is first and foremost about the owners and their business interests. So, from the start, this was really about whether the other owners (especially Baltimore who lost a much closer game) wanted and whether they had enough clout and anger to override the relationship between Kraft and Goodell. This decision was about balancing the competing interests. Apparently the other owners won out.

Francesca just mentioned a lot of pressure from the rest of the league.....
What a joke...  
Chris in Philly : 7/28/2015 2:46 pm : link
.
Brady's giggling........  
BillKo : 7/28/2015 2:48 pm : link
"We're only going to score 17 points??"

"Inflated footballs? I've heard everything now."

Keep giggling idiot..............
Is it just me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/28/2015 2:48 pm : link
or is it weird to keep comparing what player x gets 4 games for vs. player y.

If that was a ray rice reference, hasn't anyone noticed that Ray Rice hasn't played a minute in the NFL since then?
Again  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2015 2:48 pm : link
the suspension is not for deflating the footballs, it's for obstructing the league's investigation. Brady has no one to blame but himself. Good for the league to not back down under pressure from the Patriots' homers.
RE: Is it just me  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12389426 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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or is it weird to keep comparing what player x gets 4 games for vs. player y.

If that was a ray rice reference, hasn't anyone noticed that Ray Rice hasn't played a minute in the NFL since then?


no. Greg Hardy
Yeah I don't think Hardy  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2015 2:52 pm : link
has any bearing on Brady.

that situation is completely irrelevant to Brady and comparisons, which won't end, are not analogous, I don't think anyone is saying what Brady did is worse or as bad even though the suspensions match.
Good for the NFL  
Gross Blau Oberst : 7/28/2015 3:01 pm : link
Stick to your values and protect the leagues game integrety.

Will this be legally challenged. Probably. Most likely. Very sad when it does.

Will Brady miss the first 4 games, probably not. He may not even miss a game all year due to anticipated legslation and court interference.

Internal league (and CBA ratified by the players union) accountability and discipline should not be a court action.

The courts have already interferred with NFL trying to police itself and its misbehaving union members / players.

What is truly sad here is the message of acceptable conduct (physical abuse of women, drug violations, gun violence, cheating, lying and coverups) is all lost in the shadows of the point counter point legal actions that become center stage.

I appluad the NFL for trying to do the "right thing" and cringe when the legal system is mal used to deflect the wrong doing of the offending player and his actions to the league and how they are attmepting to hold that same player accountable for those acitons, and attempting to preserve the NFL institution, its code of conduct and the values it exspuses.

How sad that when an organization attempts to hold someone accountable, the person often cries foul and gets sympathy and or relief from that accountability.
^ right on  
GiantNatty : 7/28/2015 3:03 pm : link
man up, brady.
Goodell gave Hardy 10 games  
Mason : 7/28/2015 3:04 pm : link
an independent arbitrator reduced it to 4. Not sure why this fiction about the NFL going easy on Hardy keeps being brought up. Hardy was suspended by his team last season with league approval.
The Cowboys have a noticeable habit  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 3:04 pm : link
of losing games at home they're favored to win..I wouldn't count Belichick et al out of this by a long shot..
Not sure how going to court is going to help  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2015 3:05 pm : link
I don't see how this is any court's business. Doesn't the CBA cover this sort of thing so the league can take care of it internally? Unless the judge is a blatantly biased Pats' fan, the case should be dismissed out of hand.
RE: The Cowboys have a noticeable habit  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12389464 Big Blue '56 said:
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of losing games at home they're favored to win..I wouldn't count Belichick et al out of this by a long shot..


Right you are.

Watch them go 4-0 without him, then BB tries to cut Brady's salary the next season. :-)
why would anybody trust  
sundayatone : 7/28/2015 3:07 pm : link
goodell on any issue? see starcaps from a few years ago.
RE: Not sure how going to court is going to help  
sundayatone : 7/28/2015 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12389466 NYerInMA said:
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I don't see how this is any court's business. Doesn't the CBA cover this sort of thing so the league can take care of it internally? Unless the judge is a blatantly biased Pats' fan, the case should be dismissed out of hand.




see the starcap case from a few year ago.
I think this suspension is bullshit but...  
BeerFridge : 7/28/2015 3:25 pm : link
as a NYG fan in NE, I am very happy to listen to my Pats fan friends freak out over this. So much schadenfreude.
Starcaps  
The Original G Man : 7/28/2015 3:34 pm : link
Didn't the NFL ultimately *WIN* the Starcaps case?
RE: RE: The Cowboys have a noticeable habit  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12389471 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 12389464 Big Blue '56 said:


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of losing games at home they're favored to win..I wouldn't count Belichick et al out of this by a long shot..



Right you are.

Watch them go 4-0 without him, then BB tries to cut Brady's salary the next season. :-)


Lol
Even if his salary isn't cut Victor,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 3:37 pm : link
watch them get a first and a second for Garapolo(sp)..:)
Yes, the league won the StarCaps case  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2015 3:40 pm : link
And the only "victory" the players had was because the state of Minnesota requires drug test results to be given to an employee within 3 days, which the league had not done. Don't see any correlation to the Brady case really.
can't wait for Brady to appeal  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 3:41 pm : link
The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.

The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.

See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Me to every jerky Pats fan I know.  
BeerFridge : 7/28/2015 3:42 pm : link
RE: Even if his salary isn't cut Victor,  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12389513 Big Blue '56 said:
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watch them get a first and a second for Garapolo(sp)..:)


Yes! BB always comes out ahead.

11-5 with Matt Cassel. Flipped him to KC for 2nd rounder, # 34 overall.

Cassel post Pats, in the immortal words of Lt. Frank Drebben, "Nothing to see here!"
RE: Starcaps  
sundayatone : 7/28/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12389504 The Original G Man said:
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Didn't the NFL ultimately *WIN* the Starcaps case?



it ended up in court after suspensions were handed out.the court found that the nfl broke a lot of rules but the suspensions were upheld.
RE: can't wait for Brady to appeal  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12389520 TrueBlue56 said:
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The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.

The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.

See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice


That's assuming the Courts don't kick it back citing that it's a league matter..
I was at Gillette Stadium for a concert on Saturday,  
CT Charlie : 7/28/2015 3:44 pm : link
and in the course of the evening I fell into a conversation with a security guard. In the course of our conversation I revealed that I was a Giants fan but said I was hoping the suspension would be reduced. The better for the Pats to beat the Cowboys, blah-blah-blah.

Out of the blue, the guy said, "I'm tellinya, Brady didn't know a THING about all that deflating stuff." He was adamant - there was no WAY Brady had anything to do with it. The guys were doing it by themselves, he said.

I bit my tongue, but it's astonishing how Pats fans are in such denial about it.
RE: can't wait for Brady to appeal  
NYerInMA : 7/28/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12389520 TrueBlue56 said:
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The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.

The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.

See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice


Then why did Brady destroy his phone AFTER the league asked to investigate it? If the league screwed up, he would've been happy to clear his name by providing the phone and answering the league's questions. Instead he tried to cover it up and got burned.
RE: can't wait for Brady to appeal  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12389520 TrueBlue56 said:
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The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.

The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.

See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice


Yep, at the end of the day, it all boils down to stupid policy by the NFL. Baseball doesn't allow pitchers to prepare the game balls. The umpires do it.

Would have been a riot to see Gaylord Perry and Rick Honeycutt prep their own though. :-)
just give him a 3 game ban  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/28/2015 3:47 pm : link
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I think the court threats were hollow  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 3:50 pm : link
The same way Kraft talked about the 'severity' of the team discipline they received being excessive. Then he shut his mouth and took his medicine.

Same goes for Brady. It didn't hurt his camp to blather about suing if his name wasn't cleared. It might have pressured Goodell into a more favorable ruling. The reality is if this drags into the season they lose all control over when Brady could be forced to miss four games.

See you in October Tom.
If this goes to court,  
MBavaro : 7/28/2015 3:51 pm : link
It's my understanding that
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.
And those records prove what? Are they NSA transcripts?  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 3:53 pm : link
or just dates and times. For all you know they're talking about dinner.

So yes, it makes it doubly stupid to have destroyed it. The log proves nothing
The best thing  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2015 3:55 pm : link
about this from a Patriots hater standpoint is the Patriots and their fan base were so sure at a minimum the suspension was going to be reduced, many thought removed altogether.

especially since Robert Kraft wrote an affidavit that "almost had a holy feel to it"

GTFO here with that Patriots ball-washing crap.

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UPDATE (10:25 p.m. ET): Krafts letter reportedly had its intended effect, as one source told ESPNs Adam Schefter it had almost a holy feel to it.
RE: If this goes to court,  
sundayatone : 7/28/2015 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12389542 MBavaro said:
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It's my understanding that
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.


or they can go all scientology and subpoena all the owners who might have influenced goodell and the people at the nfl offices who were involved in the case from the start.
I don't believe  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 4:00 pm : link
The courts will kick it back. The lawyers will have a field day with the wells' report alone. I believe there is lots of legal arguments that could be made.

As far as the phone goes. I don't know. We are getting one side of the story so far. I think it will be quite telling if Tom Brady pursues this. I don't trust or believe Goodell by his own track record.
You don't trust or believe Goodell?  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 4:01 pm : link
But the Patriots track record on competitive fairness inspires trust? GTFO.
RE: You don't trust or believe Goodell?  
sundayatone : 7/28/2015 4:04 pm : link
In comment 12389567 Torrag said:
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But the Patriots track record on competitive fairness inspires trust? GTFO.



why do you trust goodell?
I am not  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 4:05 pm : link
Saying I believe either side. I don't trust either side.
I don't understand how anyone looking at this  
732NYG : 7/28/2015 4:06 pm : link
situation could possibly think Brady had no idea or is innocent. It boggles my mind.
from Gary myers  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 4:07 pm : link

9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.
RE: from Gary myers  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12389583 TrueBlue56 said:
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9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers ‏@garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.


With all the advisors Brady can employ, wouldn't he have been told that Texts can be accessed whether you destroy the phone or not? He probably destroyed the phone on his own, imo
big blue 56  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 4:18 pm : link
If the nfl already had the text messages as Gary myers says, then don't you think that if there was anything damning, it would be in the wells report or in Goodell's statement?
I Was Hoping It Was Going To Be Reduced To 3  
Trainmaster : 7/28/2015 4:19 pm : link
so Brady could play in the Dallas-NE game, oh well.

I still think it should have been reduced to 3, with the 3 games being games the other AFC East teams play at NE.

Glad that Mr "We're only going to score 17 points?" is getting suspended though.
RE: I don't understand how anyone looking at this  
Strip-Sack : 7/28/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12389578 732NYG said:
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situation could possibly think Brady had no idea or is innocent. It boggles my mind.


My thoughts exactly...as if the NFL went into this thing wanting to suspend their brightest star, c'mon. The NFL certainly has it's issues and the way the PSI measurements are taken is undoubtedly messed up but to suggest the Brady didn't have anything to do with this doesn't pass any sort of smell test whatsoever.
RE: from Gary myers  
giantsblue1 : 7/28/2015 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12389583 TrueBlue56 said:
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9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.


Do you think it might be possible that Brady has talked about it with other people?
RE: big blue 56  
giantsblue1 : 7/28/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12389605 TrueBlue56 said:
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If the nfl already had the text messages as Gary myers says, then don't you think that if there was anything damning, it would be in the wells report or in Goodell's statement?


Seems like the NFL still has some dirt to release if you didn't get the whole Brady destroyed his phone leak today yet.
RE: big blue 56  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12389605 TrueBlue56 said:
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If the nfl already had the text messages as Gary myers says, then don't you think that if there was anything damning, it would be in the wells report or in Goodell's statement?


You would think..So little of this makes sense, including Brady's seemingly silly pride..
NFL already filed in Federal Court in Manhattan  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2015 4:32 pm : link
Just heard on Francesa. NFL trying to avoid the judge in Minnesota
I'm not a lawyer here nor do I play one on TV  
Mason : 7/28/2015 4:35 pm : link
But destroying one's cellphone immediately after being requested for an investigation into wrong doing is enough circumstantial evidence to prove obstruction of investigation which is also one of the big reason laid out in his suspension.

How does Brady get around that issue in court if in the CBA is states that NFL players must cooperate with NFL investigations? He is a member of the union isn't he?
mason  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 4:39 pm : link
There is cooperating with an ongoing investigation and turning over any cell phone information. I am not a lawyer and I am not at all familiar with what is or isn't required of a player under the cba. We will find out soon enough
Brady should just cut his losses  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 4:40 pm : link
He isn't going to convince anyone that doesn't live in and around Boston he's innocent. So what's the point. You did it. Own it. Move on with the rest of your HOF career. The whole thing is stupid.

All he had to do at the very beginning was say. Yeah I ask my equipment guys to set the ball pressure at the low end of the accepted spectrum. It's on me. Result???? $50K fine. Case closed.
Why would you DESTROY your cell phone?  
ballanda : 7/28/2015 4:40 pm : link
Text messages can be deleted. Are people that dumb, or am I missing something?
RE: RE: big blue 56  
Mason : 7/28/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12389624 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12389605 TrueBlue56 said:


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If the nfl already had the text messages as Gary myers says, then don't you think that if there was anything damning, it would be in the wells report or in Goodell's statement?



You would think..So little of this makes sense, including Brady's seemingly silly pride..


Brady wasn't aware that they had those guy texts at the time his phone was requested. He claim that he didn't have any relationship with those guys as well. That's why they knew he was lying. He claim the reason why he didn't want to show the phone was because of pics of his wife or something like that. They even gave him a chance to privately remove those images and steamy texts. He said no.
The latest from PFT:  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 4:45 pm : link
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The NFL moved first, but, as expected, it looks like theyll have company in going to federal court in the wake of Commissioner Roger Goodells decision to uphold Patriots quarterback Tom Bradys suspension.

Jim Trotter of ESPN reports that Brady has authorized the NFLPA to go to federal court in an attempt to overturn the suspension.

There arent any other details about the filing, including whether or not the union will seek an injunction that would allow Brady to play while the case is being heard. If Brady does get an injunction and ultimately loses the case, he would have to serve the suspension later in the season or even in the playoffs should the Patriots advance that far this season. If he doesnt go for the injunction, hed serve the suspension while trying to recoup the salary hed lose while out for four games.

With the NFL filing in Manhattan, well also be keeping an eye out for where the NFLPA files their action. Minnesota has been the preferred location because Judge David Dotys rulings have been favorable in the past and the NFLs desire to avoid that venue will likely add to the legal proceedings that will unfold in the coming weeks and months.

Of significance from above report:  
Big Blue '56 : 7/28/2015 4:46 pm : link
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If Brady does get an injunction and ultimately loses the case, he would have to serve the suspension later in the season or even in the playoffs should the Patriots advance that far this season. If he doesnt go for the injunction, hed serve the suspension while trying to recoup the salary hed lose while out for four games.

Cheaters never Win.....And Winners never Cheat..  
10to13td : 7/28/2015 4:49 pm : link
Just Sayin.
RE: Cheaters never Win.....And Winners never Cheat..  
732NYG : 7/28/2015 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12389668 10to13td said:
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Just Sayin.


If only that were true.
RE: Why would you DESTROY your cell phone?  
BigBlue89 : 7/28/2015 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12389647 ballanda said:
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Text messages can be deleted. Are people that dumb, or am I missing something?


Depending on how soon you get the phone after they were deleted, they theoretically can be reconstructed.
Brady reportedly  
pjcas18 : 7/28/2015 5:00 pm : link
destroys cell phones and replaces them every few months. I would guess that's not uncommon for celebrities and superstar athletes.

the timing of this is very questionable though.
Colts balls lost pressure too  
TrueBlue56 : 7/28/2015 5:23 pm : link
I suppose Tom Brady was responsible for that too


Colts balls - ( New Window )
RE: Colts balls lost pressure too  
732NYG : 7/28/2015 5:27 pm : link
In comment 12389740 TrueBlue56 said:
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I suppose Tom Brady was responsible for that too

Colts balls - ( New Window )


No but given the disparity between how much was lost and the fact that environmental conditions for both sets of balls(heh) were identical, it's pretty obvious there was tampering. The balls were tampered with, just accept it already.
is this a Giants board  
Kevin999 : 7/28/2015 5:33 pm : link
or a Pats board?
The guy cheated, he got caught, he lied and tried to cover it up. Pay the price and move on.

The National Farce League does it again.  
Red Dog : 7/28/2015 6:43 pm : link
No matter what the facts are, Goodell should not have heard the appeal. It is a basic conflict of interest.

Goodell looks like an untrained ape in this one.
RE: mason  
Mason : 7/28/2015 7:01 pm : link
In comment 12389644 TrueBlue56 said:
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There is cooperating with an ongoing investigation and turning over any cell phone information. I am not a lawyer and I am not at all familiar with what is or isn't required of a player under the cba. We will find out soon enough


He did have to turn over his phone they asked to see it. Also, I wouldn't think people confuse what a government agent is allowed to do to you vs what an employer is allowed to do an employee. This could be cleared up by checking whether he signed and agreed to his NFL contract.
Jim Trotter?  
Greg from LI : 7/28/2015 7:02 pm : link
Hmmmmm....  
Doomster : 7/28/2015 7:15 pm : link
Then why did Brady destroy his phone AFTER the league asked to investigate it? If the league screwed up, he would've been happy to clear his name by providing the phone and answering the league's questions. Instead he tried to cover it up and got burned.

Didn't Hernandez do the same thing?
Brady had to get rid of the phone  
ghost718 : 7/28/2015 7:24 pm : link
Bartsdale(Belichick) was late delivering the new disposables,than he got word that Prez and Freamon were about to crack Deflategate.
We know why he trashed the phone.  
mattlawson : 7/28/2015 7:53 pm : link
We know why he lied. We know what he was hiding pertaining to this case. What ELSE was he hiding... Is the question.

;)
RE: can't wait for Brady to appeal  
MookGiants : 7/28/2015 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12389520 TrueBlue56 said:
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The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.

The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.

See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice


Let me guess, you believe the patriots guy is called the deflator because he's trying to lose weight.
As much as I want Brady  
Fort Mill Mike : 7/28/2015 8:29 pm : link
to play at Dallas, fuck it, already. How about the Giants just take care of business in the division for a change and not have to worry about some other team doing it for them? Just saying, it would be nice to remember how that feels.
Read this breakdown.  
mattlawson : 7/28/2015 8:38 pm : link
Really great review of both sides of federal case
Link - ( New Window )
I read the Commissioner's ruling...  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 10:29 pm : link
If the Union can't get this case heard in front of Judge Doty's anti NFL kangaroo court I think Brady's going to lose and lose big.
RE: I was at Gillette Stadium for a concert on Saturday,  
markky : 7/29/2015 8:28 am : link
In comment 12389531 CT Charlie said:
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and in the course of the evening I fell into a conversation with a security guard. In the course of our conversation I revealed that I was a Giants fan but said I was hoping the suspension would be reduced. The better for the Pats to beat the Cowboys, blah-blah-blah.

Out of the blue, the guy said, "I'm tellinya, Brady didn't know a THING about all that deflating stuff." He was adamant - there was no WAY Brady had anything to do with it. The guys were doing it by themselves, he said.

I bit my tongue, but it's astonishing how Pats fans are in such denial about it.


wasn't Taylor Swift at Gillette on Saturday?
This isn't about whether or not they  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2015 8:38 am : link
were using under-inflated balls--they were. The discussion is along the lines of whether or not Brady was covering up any knowledge of it, and not cooperating with the investigation. Also, what should the appropriate punishment be.

There is some real disparity of opinions on the punishment. IMO, you could make a good case that some games were won due to the advantages gained from the better grip and if that is agreed upon, 4 game suspension is appropriate.
RE: This isn't about whether or not they  
mattlawson : 7/29/2015 9:39 am : link
In comment 12390692 Randy in CT said:
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were using under-inflated balls--they were. The discussion is along the lines of whether or not Brady was covering up any knowledge of it, and not cooperating with the investigation. Also, what should the appropriate punishment be.

There is some real disparity of opinions on the punishment. IMO, you could make a good case that some games were won due to the advantages gained from the better grip and if that is agreed upon, 4 game suspension is appropriate.


Randy I agree, deliberate obstruction of investigation. Lying through his teeth at this point - and you have to wonder why and how we got to this point.
RE: RE: I was at Gillette Stadium for a concert on Saturday,  
NYerInMA : 7/29/2015 9:41 am : link
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and in the course of the evening I fell into a conversation with a security guard. In the course of our conversation I revealed that I was a Giants fan but said I was hoping the suspension would be reduced. The better for the Pats to beat the Cowboys, blah-blah-blah.

Out of the blue, the guy said, "I'm tellinya, Brady didn't know a THING about all that deflating stuff." He was adamant - there was no WAY Brady had anything to do with it. The guys were doing it by themselves, he said.

I bit my tongue, but it's astonishing how Pats fans are in such denial about it.



wasn't Taylor Swift at Gillette on Saturday?


I was thinking the same thing...
He is so stupid ....  
short lease : 7/29/2015 11:37 am : link
about a month ago - his suspension was being disussed on the "Sports Reporters". To a man - they all said it would be reduced to 2 games and most felt that he shouldn't even have gotten that. Now the FULL 4 games ... That was an expensive cell phone Tom.
Anyone listen to Kraft's comments earlier today?  
732NYG : 7/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
The balls on this guy haha
it doesn't matter if Brady destroyed the Cell phone.  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 7/29/2015 4:57 pm : link
Phone companies keep text messages on their servers for federal mandates
The provider is on record the data in question is irretrievable  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 5:26 pm : link
It's been too long to recover it. So there is that.
From what I've heard and understand, Brady had 30+ texts to the  
baadbill : 7/29/2015 10:35 pm : link
the day after the game with the personnel who handled the balls ... a request was made by Wells for the texts ... Brady refused and eventually Brady destroyed his cell phone ...

The bottom line is that if anyone on BBI was being investigated by your employer of behavior that discredited your company - and if you refused to cooperate (or worse, destroyed evidence), you'd be fired so fast it would make your head spin. It's a fucking disgrace that the NFL chose to allow Brady to give them the finger. He should have been fired just like you or me. I don't like people who think they are better than everyone else and that they are above the rules. I like it even less when they're proven right. Fuck him. He's a piece of garbage.
It's obviously damning based on the timing  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
but this is not a criminal or even civil investigation, Brady had no obligation to turn over his personal cell phone.

by not doing it, and even worse by destroying it, he appeared to be uncooperative and suspicious


RE: It's obviously damning based on the timing  
baadbill : 7/30/2015 8:47 am : link
In comment 12392967 pjcas18 said:
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but this is not a criminal or even civil investigation, Brady had no obligation to turn over his personal cell phone.

by not doing it, and even worse by destroying it, he appeared to be uncooperative and suspicious


While an employer cannot force an employee to cooperate with an investigation into the employee - every employer on earth would fire that employee within seconds of his refusal. Employers have the right to fire an employee for no reason at all. They clearly have the right to fire an employee (and do all the time) for the employee's refusal to cooperate with an investigation.

So yes, you as an employee don't have to cooperate with your employer. But if you refuse, you can rest assured you will be shown the door within 30 seconds of your refusal. Absent negotiated contract provisions, due process and equal protection do not apply in private settings involving employer/employee relations and the employment in most circumstances is "at will". It is my understanding that Goodell had every right - and the power - to tell Brady he's done forever in the NFL for his refusal to comply with the request to turn over the many texts he had with the equipment guys. And it is frankly outrageous that the NFL would tolerate being told "fuck off" by Brady. Who the fuck does he think he is?
Did he destroy the phone?  
ron mexico : 7/30/2015 8:49 am : link
Kraft seems to debunk that in his statement?
I 100% do not care about deflation.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/30/2015 9:00 am : link
This entire thing was/is completely stupid..

BUT, it's the rule and whether he broke the rule is open to question..That he failed, by CBA edict, to fully cooperate is punishable and he hot what he deserved..That he believes his shit doesn't smell, that he's above it all, makes me ecstatic that his great HOF career will have a PR blemish as small as that might be..

Was it worth it you moron? A simple, "Ooops, guilty as charged, I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention to circumvent the rule. I didn't think having a more comfortable grip was a big deal..Again, sorry."

"We're only going to score 17 points? Heh, heh, heh, Ok.." Smug bastard
RE: Did he destroy the phone?  
baadbill : 7/30/2015 9:04 am : link
In comment 12393241 ron mexico said:
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Kraft seems to debunk that in his statement?


They have his phone records which establish many calls and texts to the equipment guys the day after the game. The league (through Wells) made a formal request to see the texts. Brady told him to fuck off.

Supposedly he then destroyed his phone. But whether he did or didn't is beside the point. His refusal to cooperate with an investigation that involves the integrity of the game warrants immediate and permanent dismissal in my book.
RE: RE: Did he destroy the phone?  
Big Blue '56 : 7/30/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12393255 baadbill said:
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Kraft seems to debunk that in his statement?



They have his phone records which establish many calls and texts to the equipment guys the day after the game. The league (through Wells) made a formal request to see the texts. Brady told him to fuck off.

Supposedly he then destroyed his phone. But whether he did or didn't is beside the point. His refusal to cooperate with an investigation that involves the integrity of the game warrants immediate and permanent dismissal in my book.


Not to mention that were he to have been banned or when he retires, their stadium will go back to being half full..
RE: RE: It's obviously damning based on the timing  
pjcas18 : 7/30/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12393237 baadbill said:
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In comment 12392967 pjcas18 said:


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but this is not a criminal or even civil investigation, Brady had no obligation to turn over his personal cell phone.

by not doing it, and even worse by destroying it, he appeared to be uncooperative and suspicious




While an employer cannot force an employee to cooperate with an investigation into the employee - every employer on earth would fire that employee within seconds of his refusal. Employers have the right to fire an employee for no reason at all. They clearly have the right to fire an employee (and do all the time) for the employee's refusal to cooperate with an investigation.

So yes, you as an employee don't have to cooperate with your employer. But if you refuse, you can rest assured you will be shown the door within 30 seconds of your refusal. Absent negotiated contract provisions, due process and equal protection do not apply in private settings involving employer/employee relations and the employment in most circumstances is "at will". It is my understanding that Goodell had every right - and the power - to tell Brady he's done forever in the NFL for his refusal to comply with the request to turn over the many texts he had with the equipment guys. And it is frankly outrageous that the NFL would tolerate being told "fuck off" by Brady. Who the fuck does he think he is?


he will be punished and should be, but comparing traditional employers to the NFL is a bad comparison.

the NFL can't fire Brady. and they couldn't suspend him for not providing them his cell phone, the NFLPA would have a field day with that. Brady was suspended for violating the integrity of the game, which is nebulous, but it wasn't for not giving the league his personal cell phone which as I said, he has no obligation to do.
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