so Brady goes all "reduce the suspension completely to clear my name or I'll sue" and then destroys his cell phone?? If this is correct, that was just completely moronic and really makes him look bad.
Listening to everyone try to figure out what he did and whether the suspension matches. This league is first and foremost about the owners and their business interests. So, from the start, this was really about whether the other owners (especially Baltimore who lost a much closer game) wanted and whether they had enough clout and anger to override the relationship between Kraft and Goodell. This decision was about balancing the competing interests. Apparently the other owners won out.
Francesca just mentioned a lot of pressure from the rest of the league.....
the suspension is not for deflating the footballs, it's for obstructing the league's investigation. Brady has no one to blame but himself. Good for the league to not back down under pressure from the Patriots' homers.
that situation is completely irrelevant to Brady and comparisons, which won't end, are not analogous, I don't think anyone is saying what Brady did is worse or as bad even though the suspensions match.
Stick to your values and protect the leagues game integrety.
Will this be legally challenged. Probably. Most likely. Very sad when it does.
Will Brady miss the first 4 games, probably not. He may not even miss a game all year due to anticipated legslation and court interference.
Internal league (and CBA ratified by the players union) accountability and discipline should not be a court action.
The courts have already interferred with NFL trying to police itself and its misbehaving union members / players.
What is truly sad here is the message of acceptable conduct (physical abuse of women, drug violations, gun violence, cheating, lying and coverups) is all lost in the shadows of the point counter point legal actions that become center stage.
I appluad the NFL for trying to do the "right thing" and cringe when the legal system is mal used to deflect the wrong doing of the offending player and his actions to the league and how they are attmepting to hold that same player accountable for those acitons, and attempting to preserve the NFL institution, its code of conduct and the values it exspuses.
How sad that when an organization attempts to hold someone accountable, the person often cries foul and gets sympathy and or relief from that accountability.
an independent arbitrator reduced it to 4. Not sure why this fiction about the NFL going easy on Hardy keeps being brought up. Hardy was suspended by his team last season with league approval.
I don't see how this is any court's business. Doesn't the CBA cover this sort of thing so the league can take care of it internally? Unless the judge is a blatantly biased Pats' fan, the case should be dismissed out of hand.
I don't see how this is any court's business. Doesn't the CBA cover this sort of thing so the league can take care of it internally? Unless the judge is a blatantly biased Pats' fan, the case should be dismissed out of hand.
And the only "victory" the players had was because the state of Minnesota requires drug test results to be given to an employee within 3 days, which the league had not done. Don't see any correlation to the Brady case really.
The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
That's assuming the Courts don't kick it back citing that it's a league matter..
I was at Gillette Stadium for a concert on Saturday,
and in the course of the evening I fell into a conversation with a security guard. In the course of our conversation I revealed that I was a Giants fan but said I was hoping the suspension would be reduced. The better for the Pats to beat the Cowboys, blah-blah-blah.
Out of the blue, the guy said, "I'm tellinya, Brady didn't know a THING about all that deflating stuff." He was adamant - there was no WAY Brady had anything to do with it. The guys were doing it by themselves, he said.
I bit my tongue, but it's astonishing how Pats fans are in such denial about it.
The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Then why did Brady destroy his phone AFTER the league asked to investigate it? If the league screwed up, he would've been happy to clear his name by providing the phone and answering the league's questions. Instead he tried to cover it up and got burned.
The nfl and Goodell screwed this up from the very beginning. It will be the nfl with egg on their face when all is said and done. The game officials did not handle the balls properly and they had 2 gauges that gave 2 different readings plus they did not check all of the balls from both teams and I can go on and on with what a joke this whole thing has been.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Yep, at the end of the day, it all boils down to stupid policy by the NFL. Baseball doesn't allow pitchers to prepare the game balls. The umpires do it.
Would have been a riot to see Gaylord Perry and Rick Honeycutt prep their own though. :-)
The same way Kraft talked about the 'severity' of the team discipline they received being excessive. Then he shut his mouth and took his medicine.
Same goes for Brady. It didn't hurt his camp to blather about suing if his name wasn't cleared. It might have pressured Goodell into a more favorable ruling. The reality is if this drags into the season they lose all control over when Brady could be forced to miss four games.
It's my understanding that
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.
And those records prove what? Are they NSA transcripts?
about this from a Patriots hater standpoint is the Patriots and their fan base were so sure at a minimum the suspension was going to be reduced, many thought removed altogether.
especially since Robert Kraft wrote an affidavit that "almost had a holy feel to it"
GTFO here with that Patriots ball-washing crap.
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UPDATE (10:25 p.m. ET): Krafts letter reportedly had its intended effect, as one source told ESPNs Adam Schefter it had almost a holy feel to it.
It's my understanding that
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.
or they can go all scientology and subpoena all the owners who might have influenced goodell and the people at the nfl offices who were involved in the case from the start.
The courts will kick it back. The lawyers will have a field day with the wells' report alone. I believe there is lots of legal arguments that could be made.
As far as the phone goes. I don't know. We are getting one side of the story so far. I think it will be quite telling if Tom Brady pursues this. I don't trust or believe Goodell by his own track record.
9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.
9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.
With all the advisors Brady can employ, wouldn't he have been told that Texts can be accessed whether you destroy the phone or not? He probably destroyed the phone on his own, imo
If the nfl already had the text messages as Gary myers says, then don't you think that if there was anything damning, it would be in the wells report or in Goodell's statement?
The memo mentions destruction of Brady's cell phone "even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages"
Another one Goodell will lose in court.
Francesca just mentioned a lot of pressure from the rest of the league.....
"Inflated footballs? I've heard everything now."
Keep giggling idiot..............
If that was a ray rice reference, hasn't anyone noticed that Ray Rice hasn't played a minute in the NFL since then?
If that was a ray rice reference, hasn't anyone noticed that Ray Rice hasn't played a minute in the NFL since then?
no. Greg Hardy
that situation is completely irrelevant to Brady and comparisons, which won't end, are not analogous, I don't think anyone is saying what Brady did is worse or as bad even though the suspensions match.
Will this be legally challenged. Probably. Most likely. Very sad when it does.
Will Brady miss the first 4 games, probably not. He may not even miss a game all year due to anticipated legslation and court interference.
Internal league (and CBA ratified by the players union) accountability and discipline should not be a court action.
The courts have already interferred with NFL trying to police itself and its misbehaving union members / players.
What is truly sad here is the message of acceptable conduct (physical abuse of women, drug violations, gun violence, cheating, lying and coverups) is all lost in the shadows of the point counter point legal actions that become center stage.
I appluad the NFL for trying to do the "right thing" and cringe when the legal system is mal used to deflect the wrong doing of the offending player and his actions to the league and how they are attmepting to hold that same player accountable for those acitons, and attempting to preserve the NFL institution, its code of conduct and the values it exspuses.
How sad that when an organization attempts to hold someone accountable, the person often cries foul and gets sympathy and or relief from that accountability.
Right you are.
Watch them go 4-0 without him, then BB tries to cut Brady's salary the next season. :-)
see the starcap case from a few year ago.
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of losing games at home they're favored to win..I wouldn't count Belichick et al out of this by a long shot..
Right you are.
Watch them go 4-0 without him, then BB tries to cut Brady's salary the next season. :-)
Lol
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Yes! BB always comes out ahead.
11-5 with Matt Cassel. Flipped him to KC for 2nd rounder, # 34 overall.
Cassel post Pats, in the immortal words of Lt. Frank Drebben, "Nothing to see here!"
it ended up in court after suspensions were handed out.the court found that the nfl broke a lot of rules but the suspensions were upheld.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
That's assuming the Courts don't kick it back citing that it's a league matter..
Out of the blue, the guy said, "I'm tellinya, Brady didn't know a THING about all that deflating stuff." He was adamant - there was no WAY Brady had anything to do with it. The guys were doing it by themselves, he said.
I bit my tongue, but it's astonishing how Pats fans are in such denial about it.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Then why did Brady destroy his phone AFTER the league asked to investigate it? If the league screwed up, he would've been happy to clear his name by providing the phone and answering the league's questions. Instead he tried to cover it up and got burned.
The nfl has lost every time their rulings have been appealed.
See starcaps case, bounty gate (vilma), Adrian peterson, ray rice
Yep, at the end of the day, it all boils down to stupid policy by the NFL. Baseball doesn't allow pitchers to prepare the game balls. The umpires do it.
Would have been a riot to see Gaylord Perry and Rick Honeycutt prep their own though. :-)
Same goes for Brady. It didn't hurt his camp to blather about suing if his name wasn't cleared. It might have pressured Goodell into a more favorable ruling. The reality is if this drags into the season they lose all control over when Brady could be forced to miss four games.
See you in October Tom.
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.
So yes, it makes it doubly stupid to have destroyed it. The log proves nothing
especially since Robert Kraft wrote an affidavit that "almost had a holy feel to it"
GTFO here with that Patriots ball-washing crap.
1) Brady will be forced to produce the cell phone, or at least records
2) People will be put under oath, in some form. Including the two equipment guys that were involved. One who ducked into that room for a minute and a half, and the other whom Brady was talking to daily after not having talked to him at all when the story broke back in January. Something tells me both of these guys aren't going to risk perjuring themselves for a part time job with lousy pay.
or they can go all scientology and subpoena all the owners who might have influenced goodell and the people at the nfl offices who were involved in the case from the start.
As far as the phone goes. I don't know. We are getting one side of the story so far. I think it will be quite telling if Tom Brady pursues this. I don't trust or believe Goodell by his own track record.
why do you trust goodell?
9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.
9m9 minutes ago
Gary Myers @garymyersNYDN
Brady destroying cell phone looks really bad. But phone records show that the NFL already had all the texts between Brady and Jasrtemeski.
With all the advisors Brady can employ, wouldn't he have been told that Texts can be accessed whether you destroy the phone or not? He probably destroyed the phone on his own, imo