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First game of the road trip kicks off this afternoon as James Shields & the Padres take on the Mets. Today's lineup:
He's better than people are giving him credit for. Somehow he's gone from "overrated" to underrated 2.82 FIP last 3 seasons, for comparisons sake Clippard 3.42
He's better than people are giving him credit for. Somehow he's gone from "overrated" to underrated 2.82 FIP last 3 seasons, for comparisons sake Clippard 3.42
To be fair, Clippard has a fairly extensive history of outperforming his FIP. Career ERA- of 72 vs. FIP- of 93.
But I agree with the general point - Papelbon's reputation has fallen as the team around him has gotten progressively worse, but he's still a very effective reliever. Not one of the best relievers in baseball, but certainly an above-average one who would be a significant addition to any bullpen in baseball.
No one said he isn't a good pitcher and an upgrade
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Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
What would you suggest?
If I were the Nats? If I was that desperate for Paplebon I would have paid his full option and told him the best man pitches.
Who says the Nats are desperate besides you? They obtained a veteran closer who has pitched in World Series with the Sox to shorten games to seven innings. This isn't indecisive Little League where anybody could pitch and any moment. You make a decision at the MLB level and that's what the Nats did. They did it the right way.
Paplebon's numbers are all pretty similar or worse, just think it's kind of odd to outright demote a guy pitching on an all star level for a guy who isn't definitively better.
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Nats bringing in papelbon is clubhouse risk. Putting aside pap's persona, demoting superb storen a 3rd time may not end well.
Mejia now ineligible for NEXT YEARS postseason as well. Just cut him. What a disgrace.
Yeah he's done here. Biggest loss is him as a trade asset now or in offseason. Verrett, Robles, Goeddel, etc. have been good enough to make up his regular season innings and he was already ineligible for PS. I can't believe he's that dumb though. To get caught with the exact same stuff a 2nd time.
MLB called the Mets yesterday(Monday) to let them know about the ban to Mejia so the Clippard deal was not reactionary. The trade was made before the news.
in talks with just about everyone. I don't think they were hanging their hats on a Wright return.
Id like another move but I don't know the context of whats being asked. I can't make Sandy pull blood from a stone. If everyone is still asking for the moon on some of these guys I trust Sandy would decide which is most prudent for the team at this time. Its pretty clear he's willing to part with some pretty substantial prospects so if something didn't materialize it probably wasn't worth it IMO.
If the ask on Gomez, Bruce, Parra, Cespedes is just too high.. fine. Then absolute WORST case, go grab Marlon Byrd. I'd be slightly disappointed if that's the best we could do but it'd be better than nothing and it'd give us better depth in the OF after we just did the same for the IF.
It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")
Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it
If the ask on Gomez, Bruce, Parra, Cespedes is just too high.. fine. Then absolute WORST case, go grab Marlon Byrd. I'd be slightly disappointed if that's the best we could do but it'd be better than nothing and it'd give us better depth in the OF after we just did the same for the IF.
I sort of agree but we have sort of a log jam in CO now. That logic made perfect sense before Conforto was called up and Kelly Johnson was aquired(played pretty much CO with the Braves) Is Byrd even better than those two?? Im not sure.
It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")
Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it
I didn't say they were "lying" but teams absolutely take into account when they release certain information. PR is a real thing.
Wright returning or not should have no bearing on the fact that we can add an OF bat and make the team better. We aren't going to ever have any "definitive" answer on Wright because the nature of his condition makes everything incredibly unpredictable. Even if he does come back in 3-4 weeks, he could well play in 2 games and wind up shelved again.
They have to treat him like a complete bonus this year. Banking on anything more than that from him would be terribly miscalculated.
makes me think there are still steroids in the game with better masking agents, ect. How the hell would a player take the same steroids he just got banned from within 3 weeks of getting back unless he thought he could beat it?
Makes no sense.
That's the problem, a 2nd/3rd tier OFer only helps if he can play CF
He's better than people are giving him credit for. Somehow he's gone from "overrated" to underrated 2.82 FIP last 3 seasons, for comparisons sake Clippard 3.42
To be fair, Clippard has a fairly extensive history of outperforming his FIP. Career ERA- of 72 vs. FIP- of 93.
But I agree with the general point - Papelbon's reputation has fallen as the team around him has gotten progressively worse, but he's still a very effective reliever. Not one of the best relievers in baseball, but certainly an above-average one who would be a significant addition to any bullpen in baseball.
Source: Under terms of trade agreement, if completed, Papelbon will close for #Nationals and be signed for 2016.
Indians changing their lineup. Changes are coming. This time of year that could mean a trade or it might not.
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
What would you suggest?
Jenrry mejia gets 162 game drug ban. Failed another test.
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Jenrry mejia gets 162 game drug ban. Failed another test.
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Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
What would you suggest?
If I were the Nats? If I was that desperate for Paplebon I would have paid his full option and told him the best man pitches.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
What would you suggest?
If I were the Nats? If I was that desperate for Paplebon I would have paid his full option and told him the best man pitches.
Who says the Nats are desperate besides you? They obtained a veteran closer who has pitched in World Series with the Sox to shorten games to seven innings. This isn't indecisive Little League where anybody could pitch and any moment. You make a decision at the MLB level and that's what the Nats did. They did it the right way.
I guess the silver lining is he wasn't pitching in the playoffs anyway but man is this yet another blow.
And way to fuck over your teammates once again right when everything was coming together.
Nats bringing in papelbon is clubhouse risk. Putting aside pap's persona, demoting superb storen a 3rd time may not end well.
David Wright may be in minor league games next week.
Closers come and go IMO. If the move improves the team, so be it. It's like Storen has all this playoff experience or playoff success like Paps.
Yeah he's done here. Biggest loss is him as a trade asset now or in offseason. Verrett, Robles, Goeddel, etc. have been good enough to make up his regular season innings and he was already ineligible for PS. I can't believe he's that dumb though. To get caught with the exact same stuff a 2nd time.
David Wright may be in minor league games next week.
Yeah, he's supposed to start playing with St. Lucie in about a week.
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David Wright may be in minor league games next week.
Yeah, he's supposed to start playing with St. Lucie in about a week.
I knew he was resuming baseball activities but playing in actual games in a week seems WAY earlier than we expected no? Either way. Great news.
Id like another move but I don't know the context of whats being asked. I can't make Sandy pull blood from a stone. If everyone is still asking for the moon on some of these guys I trust Sandy would decide which is most prudent for the team at this time. Its pretty clear he's willing to part with some pretty substantial prospects so if something didn't materialize it probably wasn't worth it IMO.
Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it
I sort of agree but we have sort of a log jam in CO now. That logic made perfect sense before Conforto was called up and Kelly Johnson was aquired(played pretty much CO with the Braves) Is Byrd even better than those two?? Im not sure.
The only player that does't belong is possibly Kirk if you can upgrade CF but as far as depth and 4th and 5th options I think we are good.
Just the way I look at it now.
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It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")
Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it
I didn't say they were "lying" but teams absolutely take into account when they release certain information. PR is a real thing.
Wright returning or not should have no bearing on the fact that we can add an OF bat and make the team better. We aren't going to ever have any "definitive" answer on Wright because the nature of his condition makes everything incredibly unpredictable. Even if he does come back in 3-4 weeks, he could well play in 2 games and wind up shelved again.
They have to treat him like a complete bonus this year. Banking on anything more than that from him would be terribly miscalculated.
Makes no sense.
With Parra you get defense and you cross your fingers this is a breakout year as opposed to a Xavier Nady-esque flash in the pan.
At this point adding a big bat is the only thing that could have a big impact. All of them just make the defensive alignment somewhat odd.