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NFT: Padres v Mets Tuesday 7/28 @ 7:19

sphinx : 7/28/2015 3:15 pm
San Diego Padres & #8207;@Padres 4m4 minutes ago
First game of the road trip kicks off this afternoon as James Shields & the Padres take on the Mets. Today's lineup:


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Papelbon  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2015 5:12 pm : link
is an upgrade for Washington if he doesn't cause any problems. Nice addition.
Papelbon is an upgrade  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 5:13 pm : link
but he's beatable at this stage of his career.
RE: Papelbon is an upgrade  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2015 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12389716 Torrag said:
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but he's beatable at this stage of his career.


He's better than people are giving him credit for. Somehow he's gone from "overrated" to underrated 2.82 FIP last 3 seasons, for comparisons sake Clippard 3.42
Pumped for this game  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
Lot of good vibes sure to be surrounding this team right now.
Anything less than 2 out of 3  
Kevin999 : 7/28/2015 5:33 pm : link
will be a major disappointment in this series.
RE: RE: Papelbon is an upgrade  
Audible : 7/28/2015 5:44 pm : link
In comment 12389719 DanMetroMan said:
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He's better than people are giving him credit for. Somehow he's gone from "overrated" to underrated 2.82 FIP last 3 seasons, for comparisons sake Clippard 3.42


To be fair, Clippard has a fairly extensive history of outperforming his FIP. Career ERA- of 72 vs. FIP- of 93.

But I agree with the general point - Papelbon's reputation has fallen as the team around him has gotten progressively worse, but he's still a very effective reliever. Not one of the best relievers in baseball, but certainly an above-average one who would be a significant addition to any bullpen in baseball.
No one said he isn't a good pitcher and an upgrade  
Torrag : 7/28/2015 5:45 pm : link
He isn't the lockdown, lights out guy he was. He is beatable.
Closer  
sphinx : 7/28/2015 5:56 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Under terms of trade agreement, if completed, Papelbon will close for #Nationals and be signed for 2016.

wow I'm pretty shocked, gets paid & powerplays his way to closing  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 5:57 pm : link
that can't be too thrilling for Nats players.
Everyone can do what they want with their pens  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 5:59 pm : link
All I know is I LOVE ours now. Just DFA A. Torres and Ill be thrilled.
This is a direct quote from Clippard on the Nats  
Headhunter : 7/28/2015 6:05 pm : link
" we can catch those fuckers" my new favorite Met LGM!
Indians changing their lineup, #hugwatch forthcoming?  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:12 pm : link
paul hoynes ‏@hoynsie
Indians changing their lineup. Changes are coming. This time of year that could mean a trade or it might not.
Am I wrong or does this seem to be a terrible way to join new team?  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:13 pm : link
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.
RE: Am I wrong or does this seem to be a terrible way to join new team?  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:16 pm : link
In comment 12389815 Eric on Li said:
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.


What would you suggest?
Phils get Nick Pivetta  
dep026 : 7/28/2015 6:17 pm : link
AA pitcher. Anyone know anyhting about him?
Mejia just failed another test  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:18 pm : link
Mother fucker.
well, looks like we got Clippard just in time  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:18 pm : link
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 37s38 seconds ago
Jenrry mejia gets 162 game drug ban. Failed another test.
Mejia is now banned  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:18 pm : link
for 162 games. Holy fucking shit.
What a damn moron  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:18 pm : link
I can't believe it.
..  
dep026 : 7/28/2015 6:18 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeymanCBS

Jenrry mejia gets 162 game drug ban. Failed another test.
RE: RE: Am I wrong or does this seem to be a terrible way to join new team?  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12389817 Giants2012 said:
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.



What would you suggest?


If I were the Nats? If I was that desperate for Paplebon I would have paid his full option and told him the best man pitches.
I said trade Mejia the moment he came back  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:19 pm : link
NO, NO, NO said the cheerleaders

Well...  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:20 pm : link
there's your roster spot. A. Torres lives another day. Wow. How sad.
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2015 6:21 pm : link
What a fucking moron.
Jenry, thank you for striking out Joc Pederson  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:22 pm : link
now get your shit out of Clippard's locker.
RE: RE: RE: Am I wrong or does this seem to be a terrible way to join new team?  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12389826 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 12389815 Eric on Li said:


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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Papelbon will be a Nat. He's been told he will close, with drew storen demoted to set-up role despite brilliant season.



What would you suggest?



If I were the Nats? If I was that desperate for Paplebon I would have paid his full option and told him the best man pitches.


Who says the Nats are desperate besides you? They obtained a veteran closer who has pitched in World Series with the Sox to shorten games to seven innings. This isn't indecisive Little League where anybody could pitch and any moment. You make a decision at the MLB level and that's what the Nats did. They did it the right way.
Meija Suspended  
Samiam : 7/28/2015 6:23 pm : link
ESPN radio just reported he failed another test.
IMO  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:24 pm : link
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Damn that back of the bullpen was just looking so  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:27 pm : link
damn filthy with Parnell, Clipart, Mejia, and Familia. Shit.

I guess the silver lining is he wasn't pitching in the playoffs anyway but man is this yet another blow.

And way to fuck over your teammates once again right when everything was coming together.
Storen has 29 saves, 0 losses, 1.7 ERA, 1.0 WHIP, 1.9 FIP  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:29 pm : link
Paplebon's numbers are all pretty similar or worse, just think it's kind of odd to outright demote a guy pitching on an all star level for a guy who isn't definitively better.
Basically this ->  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:31 pm : link
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Nats bringing in papelbon is clubhouse risk. Putting aside pap's persona, demoting superb storen a 3rd time may not end well.
Haha  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:32 pm : link
Mejia now ineligible for NEXT YEARS postseason as well. Just cut him. What a disgrace.
Huh?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:33 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 5m5 minutes ago
David Wright may be in minor league games next week.
Storen also job his job after 2011  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:35 pm : link
I believe. Can't recall if he was injured or not.

Closers come and go IMO. If the move improves the team, so be it. It's like Storen has all this playoff experience or playoff success like Paps.
RE: Haha  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:35 pm : link
In comment 12389857 ZGiants98 said:
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Mejia now ineligible for NEXT YEARS postseason as well. Just cut him. What a disgrace.


Yeah he's done here. Biggest loss is him as a trade asset now or in offseason. Verrett, Robles, Goeddel, etc. have been good enough to make up his regular season innings and he was already ineligible for PS. I can't believe he's that dumb though. To get caught with the exact same stuff a 2nd time.
RE: Huh?  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2015 6:35 pm : link
In comment 12389860 ZGiants98 said:
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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 5m5 minutes ago
David Wright may be in minor league games next week.


Yeah, he's supposed to start playing with St. Lucie in about a week.
not like  
Giants2012 : 7/28/2015 6:35 pm : link
storen
Apparently  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:36 pm : link
MLB called the Mets yesterday(Monday) to let them know about the ban to Mejia so the Clippard deal was not reactionary. The trade was made before the news.
RE: RE: Huh?  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:37 pm : link
In comment 12389868 arcarsenal said:
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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 5m5 minutes ago
David Wright may be in minor league games next week.



Yeah, he's supposed to start playing with St. Lucie in about a week.


I knew he was resuming baseball activities but playing in actual games in a week seems WAY earlier than we expected no? Either way. Great news.
We'll see how it goes..  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2015 6:38 pm : link
It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")
Seems to me the Mets have been  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:42 pm : link
in talks with just about everyone. I don't think they were hanging their hats on a Wright return.

Id like another move but I don't know the context of whats being asked. I can't make Sandy pull blood from a stone. If everyone is still asking for the moon on some of these guys I trust Sandy would decide which is most prudent for the team at this time. Its pretty clear he's willing to part with some pretty substantial prospects so if something didn't materialize it probably wasn't worth it IMO.
Positive side to Mejia suspension is more $ saved  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:43 pm : link
double the orders for all remaining free shirt fridays.
I can't really just willfully "accept" nothing else.  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2015 6:45 pm : link
If the ask on Gomez, Bruce, Parra, Cespedes is just too high.. fine. Then absolute WORST case, go grab Marlon Byrd. I'd be slightly disappointed if that's the best we could do but it'd be better than nothing and it'd give us better depth in the OF after we just did the same for the IF.
RE: We'll see how it goes..  
SethFromAstoria : 7/28/2015 6:46 pm : link
In comment 12389877 arcarsenal said:
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It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")


Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it
Mejia  
steve in ky : 7/28/2015 6:46 pm : link
He must have sucked without extra "help" because nobody would do that again so soon unless he felt he wouldn't be able to compete otherwise.
RE: I can't really just willfully  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:50 pm : link
In comment 12389894 arcarsenal said:
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If the ask on Gomez, Bruce, Parra, Cespedes is just too high.. fine. Then absolute WORST case, go grab Marlon Byrd. I'd be slightly disappointed if that's the best we could do but it'd be better than nothing and it'd give us better depth in the OF after we just did the same for the IF.


I sort of agree but we have sort of a log jam in CO now. That logic made perfect sense before Conforto was called up and Kelly Johnson was aquired(played pretty much CO with the Braves) Is Byrd even better than those two?? Im not sure.
The OF  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:51 pm : link
is Conforto, Kirk, and Granderson. The bench is Johnson, Lagares, and soon Cuddyer as well.

The only player that does't belong is possibly Kirk if you can upgrade CF but as far as depth and 4th and 5th options I think we are good.

Just the way I look at it now.
RE: RE: We'll see how it goes..  
arcarsenal : 7/28/2015 6:52 pm : link
In comment 12389898 SethFromAstoria said:
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It's great news I just hope the timing isn't intentional (aka, "Wright is on the way back, another bat is no longer necessary")



Wouldn't you logically assume that the team would need and want to know the status of wright and use that knowledge to alter and decide moves they may make? I mean why would they say he is coming back and then lie about that to appease some odd portion of the fanbase if they are unable to make a decision about player adds? I don't get it


I didn't say they were "lying" but teams absolutely take into account when they release certain information. PR is a real thing.

Wright returning or not should have no bearing on the fact that we can add an OF bat and make the team better. We aren't going to ever have any "definitive" answer on Wright because the nature of his condition makes everything incredibly unpredictable. Even if he does come back in 3-4 weeks, he could well play in 2 games and wind up shelved again.

They have to treat him like a complete bonus this year. Banking on anything more than that from him would be terribly miscalculated.
This Mejia situation  
ZGiants98 : 7/28/2015 6:54 pm : link
makes me think there are still steroids in the game with better masking agents, ect. How the hell would a player take the same steroids he just got banned from within 3 weeks of getting back unless he thought he could beat it?

Makes no sense.
That's the problem, a 2nd/3rd tier OFer only helps if he can play CF  
Eric on Li : 7/28/2015 6:54 pm : link
Because truth is Byrd isn't a huge upgrade over Conforto/Cuddyer/K. Johnson.

With Parra you get defense and you cross your fingers this is a breakout year as opposed to a Xavier Nady-esque flash in the pan.

At this point adding a big bat is the only thing that could have a big impact. All of them just make the defensive alignment somewhat odd.
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