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NFT: Story of a Minnesota dentist, who killed a popular lion

RC02XX : 7/28/2015 7:47 pm
Let me start off by first stating that I am not at all opposed to hunting and both a way of life and sport. However, there are times when big game hunting by rich tourists become sadistic. Yes, I understand that these tourism hunting do help with keeping these conservatories funded, but often these animals are older animals, who are more burden than good in the wild. This latest story of the illegal hunting, beheading, and skinning of a well known lion named Cecil isn't one of those stories.

As the latest updates are coming in, a Minnesota based dentist named Walter Palmer was behind the illegal hunting. While he states that he was duped by his guides, he had previously pled guilty to poaching of a black bear several years ago, so he does have a past history of poaching. Not only that, he sounds like a scumbag as he also settled on a sexual harassment suit. Obviously, we know what kind of Internet retribution can be dealt out, and it appears that this asshole is getting some much deserved loving from the Internet.

The truly sad thing is that the death of this pride leader lion may lead to the death of several (maybe even up to a dozen from some reports) cubs as a new alpha male will kill off all of Cecil's cubs. Ugh.

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A big-game hunter from the Twin Cities acknowledged Tuesday that he killed a beloved lion in Zimbabwe with a bow and arrow, but said he regrets what he did and believed that his guides were leading him on a legal hunt.

Walter J. Palmer, 55, of Eden Prairie, a practicing dentist in Bloomington, issued a statement addressing the killing on July 1 of Cecil, which has sparked outrage around the globe.

“I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits,” the statement read. “To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted.

“I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.”

Palmer, who has on his record a conviction for poaching a bear in Wisconsin several years ago, said he has not been contacted by any authorities in Zimbabwe or the U.S. about his killing the lion, but added he will cooperate with investigators. The public relations firm that worked with Palmer on the statement said he was in the Twin Cities on Tuesday.

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Shortly after he promised to cooperate  
mattlawson : 7/28/2015 7:56 pm : link
He had his assistant destroy his phone.
I hope he does get charged  
buford : 7/28/2015 7:57 pm : link
I am not buying that he didn't know it was illegal. It's disgusting and horrible.
RE: Shortly after he promised to cooperate  
MOOPS : 7/28/2015 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12390031 mattlawson said:
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He had his assistant destroy his phone.


I think he's looking at a four safari suspension minimum.
He hired a public relations firm to help him make a statement  
gtt350 : 7/28/2015 8:16 pm : link
pretty much says it all
It's like everyone on social media  
AnyoneButPhilly : 7/28/2015 8:20 pm : link
All of the sudden stopped giving a crap about the Confederate flag and now everyone is pretending to he outraged by this guy. The internet has the attention span of a 7 year old
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steve in ky : 7/28/2015 8:24 pm : link
Any true outdoorsman hates poaching. If in fact it is true that he has already been convicted of poaching he has proven he has no respect for the laws that protect animals or the animals themselves.

If it weren't for that fact I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that the guides took advantage of him for his $50000 and that he did believe it was all legal. His previous actions makes me believe he would do this knowingly if he believed he could get away with it.
RE: Shortly after he promised to cooperate  
schabadoo : 7/28/2015 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12390031 mattlawson said:
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He had his assistant destroy his phone.


They tried to destroy the monitoring collar, so pretty similar. Maybe closer to Hernandez destroying his home video system.

He shot this thing and then it wandered for 40 hours before they shot it. That's brutal.
Fuck him  
Bill in UT : 7/28/2015 8:43 pm : link
Dentists are all assholes. I hate killing animals for sport.
RE: It's like everyone on social media  
Wuphat : 7/28/2015 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12390081 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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All of the sudden stopped giving a crap about the Confederate flag and now everyone is pretending to he outraged by this guy. The internet has the attention span of a 7 year old


Well, SC took it down, so there's not really much to protest there anymore.

It was really never about individuals owning or displaying the flag, but rather ostensible government endorsement that was the issue.

He's not "hunting" anything  
B in ALB : 7/28/2015 8:56 pm : link
He's hiring locals who are gouging his ignorant bitch ass to put him in a position to easily spike a defenseless animal outside it's protected habitat.

This guy and those like him are chicken hawk coward pieces of shit.

I hope his dental business goes straight in the shitter.
you have to be a shitty person to be a dentist, though.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/28/2015 8:58 pm : link
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RE: RE: It's like everyone on social media  
AnyoneButPhilly : 7/28/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12390171 Wuphat said:
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All of the sudden stopped giving a crap about the Confederate flag and now everyone is pretending to he outraged by this guy. The internet has the attention span of a 7 year old



Well, SC took it down, so there's not really much to protest there anymore.

It was really never about individuals owning or displaying the flag, but rather ostensible government endorsement that was the issue.


Isn't it still part of Mississippi's state flag?
It is  
Wuphat : 7/28/2015 9:11 pm : link
But I think people recognize that it will take much more time to effect change in that case.

Fuck this guy. This pisses me off.  
drkenneth : 7/28/2015 9:31 pm : link
Guy deserves everything he gets.
F him  
spike : 7/28/2015 9:39 pm : link
drop him off inside the lions cage
Dr. Palmer, how do you feel about this?  
manh george : 7/28/2015 9:42 pm : link
"People are beginning to nickname you "Lunch."
Now this dickless fuck  
B in ALB : 7/28/2015 11:09 pm : link
regrets killing the lion but still takes no responsibility. Instead he blames the local guides.

Hey, pussy. Fuck you.
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Hunting for sport  
Knineteen : 7/28/2015 11:56 pm : link
is such a pathetic act.

Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!
This.  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/29/2015 5:10 am : link
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Hunting for sport
Knineteen : 7/28/2015 11:56 pm : link : reply
is such a pathetic act.

Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!


+1 on this.
RE: It's like everyone on social media  
Randy in CT : 7/29/2015 7:21 am : link
In comment 12390081 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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All of the sudden stopped giving a crap about the Confederate flag and now everyone is pretending to he outraged by this guy. The internet has the attention span of a 7 year old
People can be upset at a variety of things simultaneously.
RE: Hunting for sport  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 7:24 am : link
In comment 12390547 Knineteen said:
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is such a pathetic act.

Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!


Agreed.
I heard the lion had terrorist ties to ISIS...  
BamaBlue : 7/29/2015 7:44 am : link
sounds like he got what he deserved. Scumbag lion.
I'm not a fan of most of these life ruining crusades...  
Dunedin81 : 7/29/2015 8:22 am : link
But fuck this guy. I hope they extradite him and he spends the rest of his life in an African prison.
I'm in Eden Prairie right now  
markky : 7/29/2015 8:25 am : link
hard to believe someone would have to fly from here to Africa to go hunting.
Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2015 8:34 am : link
he could have saved thousands of dollars just by going to Milwaukee.
RE: Shortly after he promised to cooperate  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/29/2015 8:37 am : link
In comment 12390031 mattlawson said:
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He had his assistant destroy his phone.


Yew, yew...I see what you did there, yew

I can't even begin to put my disgust in words about this  
Giants4246 : 7/29/2015 8:38 am : link
This guy is a vile piece of shit, i hope he gets hit by a bus today. People are flooding his facebook page and the yelp page for his dental practice with nasty comments and he deserves every last bit of it.
I'm not going to chime in  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 8:42 am : link
because I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people
Great idea...  
BamaBlue : 7/29/2015 8:48 am : link
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people


It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical
Not going there  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 8:51 am : link
carry on guys
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Moondawg : 7/29/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12390599 BrettNYG10 said:
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is such a pathetic act.

Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!



Agreed.


Largely agree.
As someone who has never hunted, and used to fish but doesn't  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2015 10:04 am : link
anymore, I find it curious how we pick and choose which circumstances are acceptable for killing animals. Some people have no issue with hunting in general but are angered by stories like this. Other people hate all hunting, but don't have a problem with fishing. Still others might deplore both hunting and fishing, but continually buy and eat meat from commercially slaughtered animals.

I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.
I have nothing against hunting  
RiffRaff : 7/29/2015 10:11 am : link
if you consume the animal like Dear Hunting. But hunting other game like Lions or Giraffes for the only reason to kill it for sport is disgusting and pathetic. This asshole dentist is getting exactly what he deserves.
RE: As someone who has never hunted, and used to fish but doesn't  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12390877 Greg from LI said:
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anymore, I find it curious how we pick and choose which circumstances are acceptable for killing animals. Some people have no issue with hunting in general but are angered by stories like this. Other people hate all hunting, but don't have a problem with fishing. Still others might deplore both hunting and fishing, but continually buy and eat meat from commercially slaughtered animals.

I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.


Don't have an issue killing what you eat. Not for me, but it'd be inconsistent of me to criticize as a meat-eater.

Killing animals strictly for sport is creepy IMO.
eh....the animal is dead either way  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2015 10:14 am : link
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RE: As someone who has never hunted, and used to fish but doesn't  
steve in ky : 7/29/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12390877 Greg from LI said:
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anymore, I find it curious how we pick and choose which circumstances are acceptable for killing animals. Some people have no issue with hunting in general but are angered by stories like this. Other people hate all hunting, but don't have a problem with fishing. Still others might deplore both hunting and fishing, but continually buy and eat meat from commercially slaughtered animals.

I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.


I agree to this point; unless someone chooses not to eat any meat and wear any leather it is hypocritical to judge others who legally hunt or fish.

I have no problem with those who wish to hunt or fish legally or those who choose not to but everyone should keep in mind that in many states the conservation departments budgets are largely funded by the sportsman who do hunt and fish from the fees generated from them. I know in Kentucky the Fish and Wildlife department is solely funded by this and as a result animal life has flourished even including the reintroduction of species to the state that had previously long disappeared. It is largely the sportsman who support the welfare of the wildlife.

Poaching is another thing entirely and most sportsman look opon that with disgust.




RE: Great idea...  
Wuphat : 7/29/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12390722 BamaBlue said:
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people



It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical


This
This isn't hunting. This is poaching.  
drkenneth : 7/29/2015 10:37 am : link
Read the fucking story. It's a cowardly act and this guy deserves everything he gets.

I have no issues with hunting/fishing (I fish), as long as it's done responsibility. This is the farthest thing from that.
RE: eh....the animal is dead either way  
schabadoo : 7/29/2015 10:37 am : link
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It was a protected animal on a refuge. May as well go to the zoo and open fire.
RE: eh....the animal is dead either way  
drkenneth : 7/29/2015 10:38 am : link
In comment 12390908 Greg from LI said:
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Did you read the story? Or are you just being you?
and now for the story of John Doe who killed an  
chris r : 7/29/2015 10:39 am : link
anonymous cow.
I read the story  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2015 10:42 am : link
What's the source of all the harrumphing? That they baited the lion? Maybe I'm crazy, but isn't that exactly what fishing is? Why is one so much different than the other?

Again, I'm not throwing stones at you here. I genuinely don't see what the fundamental differences are.
RE: As someone who has never hunted, and used to fish but doesn't  
Moondawg : 7/29/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12390877 Greg from LI said:
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anymore, I find it curious how we pick and choose which circumstances are acceptable for killing animals. Some people have no issue with hunting in general but are angered by stories like this. Other people hate all hunting, but don't have a problem with fishing. Still others might deplore both hunting and fishing, but continually buy and eat meat from commercially slaughtered animals.

I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.


Life is always sloppy and we do our best to be decent people in a challenging world. I'm a vegetarian; my general policy is not to kill or harm animals (esp, those of more sophisticated cognitive machinery) unless there is a good reason. In many cases, "because it tastes good" seems like a pretty weak reason. Killing predatory animals that are a danger to humans or to eco-systems seems like a fair reason to hunt. "Because I enjoy killing things" seems like a very weak reason.

There are some good reasons to hunt and in many cases to eat meat. But usually, imho, the reasons people give are really a matter of laziness or selfishness and don't override what I think is a basic moral obligation not to harm beings that can experience pain.
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Moondawg : 7/29/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12390918 Wuphat said:
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people



It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical



This


After a while, we just realize that there are people whose emotional need to get attention trumps the need for consistency, right?
They baited him out of a protected preserve for a trophy kill  
schabadoo : 7/29/2015 10:46 am : link
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Wuphat : 7/29/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12390977 Moondawg said:
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people



It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical



This



After a while, we just realize that there are people whose emotional need to get attention trumps the need for consistency, right?


I was leaning towards idiocy, but we can be generous and go that way, I guess.
Well, we are often driven to idiocy by unchecked  
Moondawg : 7/29/2015 10:47 am : link
emotional needs, so let's find harmony in our analyses.
Fair enough  
Wuphat : 7/29/2015 10:48 am : link
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Moondawg  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2015 10:49 am : link
I understand that philosphy, and that's why I stopped fishing years ago. That went in stages - first I stopped keeping any fish I caught, only catching and releasing. But sometimes you gut-hook a fish, and it bleeds out and there's nothing you can do about that. This bothered me greatly, so I just quit fishing. Couldn't find any more enjoyment in it anymore.

But on the other hand, I'm not going to stop eating meat, hypocritical as that may be. Humans are natural omnivores and I want to eat meat. I deal with this by being as removed from the production of the meat as possible. Don't know what exactly what goes on in those places, don't want to know either. Anyway, my point was simply that, to me, it's much more of a binary question - do you kill animals, or not? Creating arbitrary boundries for such things seems irrelevent.
Hunting or slaughering animals for food  
Don in DC : 7/29/2015 10:51 am : link
is part of human nature.

Hunting and killing an animal for fun or "sport" is creepy, and is indicative of a sadistic and/or sociopathic mindset.
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