Let me start off by first stating that I am not at all opposed to hunting and both a way of life and sport. However, there are times when big game hunting by rich tourists become sadistic. Yes, I understand that these tourism hunting do help with keeping these conservatories funded, but often these animals are older animals, who are more burden than good in the wild. This latest story of the illegal hunting, beheading, and skinning of a well known lion named Cecil isn't one of those stories.
As the latest updates are coming in, a Minnesota based dentist named Walter Palmer was behind the illegal hunting. While he states that he was duped by his guides, he had previously pled guilty to poaching of a black bear several years ago, so he does have a past history of poaching. Not only that, he sounds like a scumbag as he also settled on a sexual harassment suit. Obviously, we know what kind of Internet retribution can be dealt out, and it appears that this asshole is getting some much deserved loving from the Internet.
The truly sad thing is that the death of this pride leader lion may lead to the death of several (maybe even up to a dozen from some reports) cubs as a new alpha male will kill off all of Cecil's cubs. Ugh.
A big-game hunter from the Twin Cities acknowledged Tuesday that he killed a beloved lion in Zimbabwe with a bow and arrow, but said he regrets what he did and believed that his guides were leading him on a legal hunt.
Walter J. Palmer, 55, of Eden Prairie, a practicing dentist in Bloomington, issued a statement addressing the killing on July 1 of Cecil, which has sparked outrage around the globe.
“I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits,” the statement read. “To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted.
“I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.”
Palmer, who has on his record a conviction for poaching a bear in Wisconsin several years ago, said he has not been contacted by any authorities in Zimbabwe or the U.S. about his killing the lion, but added he will cooperate with investigators. The public relations firm that worked with Palmer on the statement said he was in the Twin Cities on Tuesday. |
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I think he's looking at a four safari suspension minimum.
If it weren't for that fact I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that the guides took advantage of him for his $50000 and that he did believe it was all legal. His previous actions makes me believe he would do this knowingly if he believed he could get away with it.
They tried to destroy the monitoring collar, so pretty similar. Maybe closer to Hernandez destroying his home video system.
He shot this thing and then it wandered for 40 hours before they shot it. That's brutal.
Well, SC took it down, so there's not really much to protest there anymore.
It was really never about individuals owning or displaying the flag, but rather ostensible government endorsement that was the issue.
This guy and those like him are chicken hawk coward pieces of shit.
I hope his dental business goes straight in the shitter.
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All of the sudden stopped giving a crap about the Confederate flag and now everyone is pretending to he outraged by this guy. The internet has the attention span of a 7 year old
Well, SC took it down, so there's not really much to protest there anymore.
It was really never about individuals owning or displaying the flag, but rather ostensible government endorsement that was the issue.
Isn't it still part of Mississippi's state flag?
Hey, pussy. Fuck you.
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Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!
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is such a pathetic act.
Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!
+1 on this.
Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!
Agreed.
Yew, yew...I see what you did there, yew
It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical
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is such a pathetic act.
Hooray, you shot an animal, at a distance, with technology!
Agreed.
Largely agree.
I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.
I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.
Don't have an issue killing what you eat. Not for me, but it'd be inconsistent of me to criticize as a meat-eater.
Killing animals strictly for sport is creepy IMO.
I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.
I agree to this point; unless someone chooses not to eat any meat and wear any leather it is hypocritical to judge others who legally hunt or fish.
I have no problem with those who wish to hunt or fish legally or those who choose not to but everyone should keep in mind that in many states the conservation departments budgets are largely funded by the sportsman who do hunt and fish from the fees generated from them. I know in Kentucky the Fish and Wildlife department is solely funded by this and as a result animal life has flourished even including the reintroduction of species to the state that had previously long disappeared. It is largely the sportsman who support the welfare of the wildlife.
Poaching is another thing entirely and most sportsman look opon that with disgust.
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people
It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical
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I have no issues with hunting/fishing (I fish), as long as it's done responsibility. This is the farthest thing from that.
It was a protected animal on a refuge. May as well go to the zoo and open fire.
Did you read the story? Or are you just being you?
Again, I'm not throwing stones at you here. I genuinely don't see what the fundamental differences are.
I'm not making a value judgment here. The logic of it all just seems really weird to me.
Life is always sloppy and we do our best to be decent people in a challenging world. I'm a vegetarian; my general policy is not to kill or harm animals (esp, those of more sophisticated cognitive machinery) unless there is a good reason. In many cases, "because it tastes good" seems like a pretty weak reason. Killing predatory animals that are a danger to humans or to eco-systems seems like a fair reason to hunt. "Because I enjoy killing things" seems like a very weak reason.
There are some good reasons to hunt and in many cases to eat meat. But usually, imho, the reasons people give are really a matter of laziness or selfishness and don't override what I think is a basic moral obligation not to harm beings that can experience pain.
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people
It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical
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After a while, we just realize that there are people whose emotional need to get attention trumps the need for consistency, right?
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In comment 12390703 Headhunter said:
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RE: I'm not going to chime inbecause I was told it was wrong and hypocritical to wish ill on people
It comes across as disingenuous when you start a thread about someone saying something stupid, then wish they would be hit by a bus. Stupid + Stupid = Hypocritical
This
After a while, we just realize that there are people whose emotional need to get attention trumps the need for consistency, right?
I was leaning towards idiocy, but we can be generous and go that way, I guess.
But on the other hand, I'm not going to stop eating meat, hypocritical as that may be. Humans are natural omnivores and I want to eat meat. I deal with this by being as removed from the production of the meat as possible. Don't know what exactly what goes on in those places, don't want to know either. Anyway, my point was simply that, to me, it's much more of a binary question - do you kill animals, or not? Creating arbitrary boundries for such things seems irrelevent.
Hunting and killing an animal for fun or "sport" is creepy, and is indicative of a sadistic and/or sociopathic mindset.