NFT: Met fans- which pitcher has the highest ceiling?

would be almost impossible to pull off. You almost never see three team trades with players of that magnitude going in different directions.

In comment 12392036 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 12392030 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Wheeler and Cecchini to Detroit, Price to the Dodgers, Puig to the Mets, see it's that easy! #Mets We talked about 3 teams yesterday (I think it was Shecky?) but he said our FO just isn't creative enough - I actually think something like that makes a lot of sense though. Though I'd want to swap in Nimmo for Cecchini.

As would I but we have enough pitching to roll the dice on an UBER talent like Puig. This team could use some swag, some flavor, some gusto amongst the position players. Signed through 2019. Fun to watch. DO IT!

would take a Syndergaard level player. They aren't giving away Puig for a broken down Wheeler and a few middling prospects I fear.

can get a good bit more than rental Price for Puig and his contract. We'd probably have to add another significant piece that went to LAD.

I'd still consider doing it.

can't offer Cespedes a QO so they pretty much HAVE to deal him.

get desperate. The 3 teams kind of fall apart though because the other team would likely rather just take on Puig themselves.

Makes wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much sense for both teams. What am I missing, other than the geography thing?

I'm the Dodgers I'm not giving up cheap Puig for Shields and 3 years 65 million owed

I would be furious with that return for Puig if I were a Dodger fan.

Shields today? Not.

4.11 FIP, 33 years old and significant money owed. Yuck.

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has let me down more than Cuddyer. I was chirping during Spring Training that he was a steal and I expect 25 home runs 90 rbi, I was so sure

And I was pissed they didn't sign Morse. We all make mistakes lol

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In comment 12391964 Headhunter said: Quote: and we are going to lose a player(s) that are going to cause us pain. I'm preparing myself I normally like to take a long view of things and not be shortsighted, but you've got Harvey, DeGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz under team control for a while. Would you really miss Fulmer?

An asset is worth what an asset is worth. Fulmer is not less valuable simply because we have lots of good SPs already. He is more tradable because of that reason, but not less valuable.

Also, Fulmer might not debut until 2017. 2018 if he gets hurt (remember, he's only 22).

I'd rather deal Wheeler than Fulmer. It'd be nice to have another bigtime pitcher come up who is a few years behind on the arb/fa clock than the rest of the pitchers.

Would Wheeler/Fulmer have similiar value around to other teams?

Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets
Was told the Mets aren't in on Cespedes at this point.


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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
david price on market could aid rangers, as dodgers & others will look closely at price now. (texas not in rental market)


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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
after phils yet again ask for severino or judge, yanks will talk to tigers on price. cbsprt.co/1MVdbsM


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Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
[Rajai] Davis plays all 3 OF spots, can start for Grandy v. tough LH, adds speed element off bench #Mets lack. #Tigers


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Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Third club in #Dodgers-#Marlins believed to be a team that winds up with Michael Morse. He has no apparent fit on the Dodgers roster.

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A MLB exec on Gerardo Parra: "I wonder if the Brewers over-played their hand on him. I just expected him to be gone by now.''

I could see that because I don't think anyone out there is going to view him as an impact player. And obviously anyone looking for an impact rental has bigger fish to go after.

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 12s13 seconds ago
#Mets leverage with Parra and Will Venable enhanced by other deals. #Royals and #Angels no longer have openings for LH OF bats.

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I could see that because I don't think anyone out there is going to view him as an impact player. And obviously anyone looking for an impact rental has bigger fish to go after.

Thats why I thought his value would fall by Friday. I think we are going to see a lot of movement at the last minute this year.

I said earlier and re-iterate I hope the trade carousel comes to a halt and Milwaukee is left empty handed. Now Meisner 'bullet' has been spent so that potential deal has evaporated..

and Tigers have some level of pressure to deal their guys. Though, if the Brewers are of the belief this is the real Parra they could always offer him the QO. Gomez on the other hand, no reason to change their ask.

@jcrasnick
#Mets leverage with Parra and Will Venable enhanced by other deals. #Royals and #Angels no longer have openings for LH OF bats.

Gsellman and maybe another interesting piece would be fair for Parra. I still think Nimmo or especially Fulmer is too much.

stinks and Gsellman is a lesser prospect than Meisner so if that's what the brewers do they screwed up.

looks like we should be able to land someone, will just come down to how much Sandy is willing to give/who they think fits best. Gomez has long been #1 on that list for me but seems like the Brewers aren't going to their ask for him from anyone. I'd still guess Parra is the most likely acquisition.

deal apparently nmight fall apart

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stinks and Gsellman is a lesser prospect than Meisner so if that's what the brewers do they screwed up.

We are assuming if the Brewers overplayed their hand and the price drops. I don't think they have a prayer at getting Fulmer and out of the first round picks Nimmo is the only one they'd have a shot at. Don't think Sandy does that either. Gsellman/Cessa and Reynolds. Take it or leave it. Something like that.

Gselleman & Reynolds for Parra.

sounds like the best odds of happening. Having a big year, just hope he can keep it up. Literally 0 interest in Venable.

It's hard to find a scenario where Gselleman/Reynolds is the best offer they'll receive. Meisner was a good fit and they got greedy.

think it's going to cost more than that. I'll say Montero for Parra is the deal.

If your giving up a coupe guys like that it ends up worth it either way IMO. How much worst could he be? I think he'd at least contribute in the OF mix and give us an intriguing option at the top of the lineup. If he goes cold you just go in a different direction in the offseason. Not going to cry over a Gsellman type but Nimmo I might.

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think it's going to cost more than that. I'll say Montero for Parra is the deal.

I still probably do that although that would sting a little too.

think if they offered Montero for Zobrist, push comes to shove he's moved for Parra.

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It's hard to find a scenario where Gselleman/Reynolds is the best offer they'll receive. Meisner was a good fit and they got greedy.

Sure but now we are hearing that many teams are no longer in the Parra sweepstakes. They may have overplayed their hand. We'll see.

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think if they offered Montero for Zobrist, push comes to shove he's moved for Parra.

Sure, I agree. But if Sandy ends up with more leverage than anticipated maybe he can come up with a lesser combination. I don't know. Wont be terribly upset if we lost Montero either.

but not by a lot. How much organizational SP depth do we want to adios for rentals? I'm on the fence with that scenario.

somebody like Flores. Id hate to give him up for Parra but I don't see a huge future with this team anymore.

[quote]Sure but now we are hearing that many teams are no longer in the Parra sweepstakes.[/quote[

There is a general feeling this has become more of a buyers market. I haven't read or seen a reference to the Parra situation specifically. As usual you craft the dialogue to suit your position.

like Rosario who is a sexy name, is cracking top 100 and 50 boards, but might be a bit overrated. His projection is based on his tools but it really hasn't materialized yet. He also has Cecchini above him and a million SS behind him. Wouldn't hurt the Mets at all IMO.

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[quote]Sure but now we are hearing that many teams are no longer in the Parra sweepstakes.[/quote[ There is a general feeling this has become more of a buyers market. I haven't read or seen a reference to the Parra situation specifically. As usual you craft the dialogue to suit your position.

I guess somebody as brain dead as you would have trouble understanding

@jcrasnick
#Mets leverage with Parra and Will Venable enhanced by other deals. #Royals and #Angels no longer have openings for LH OF bats.

Figures.

hasn't been good and more importantly is out of options. He could be a second piece but that's about it.

I'd prefer to move a piece like Rosario for Parra instead of another arm. I readily admit ranking young positional talent in the pipeline is guesswork on my part.

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I haven't read or seen a reference to the Parra situation specifically. As usual you craft the dialogue to suit your position.

Ummmmm, you may want to look at DMM's 4:56 post before you continue to bash Z...

In comment 12392244 speedywheels said:

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In comment 12392236 Torrag said: Quote: I haven't read or seen a reference to the Parra situation specifically. As usual you craft the dialogue to suit your position. Ummmmm, you may want to look at DMM's 4:56 post before you continue to bash Z...

Thanks Speedy. This guy has gotten to the point of just bashing me at every moment like a 12 year old. Complete moron.

That's on me. I'm grown accustomed to his revisionist outlook and jumped the gun.

You are behind the times

You guys have just been desensitized to his particular brand of bullshit. The latest is Montero for Upton as if that could ever happen.

I hope the rumor is wrong. I just feel so bad for the kid. This is also why I would be a shitty GM!

Wheeler!