everyone is healthy, everyone is completely back to pre surgery strength and command. I don't know, I go back and forth on all 5 of them. They each
can make a case for being the best on this staff. Who has the highest ceiling?
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
Please do. Going to be pretty pointless unless Tejada is starting full time however.
Then why even bother to bring up Tejada's stats in 4 months of baseball unless to say the guy we have is as good as Reyes?
Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
I always got Steve Trachsel. that is why I keep writing that next year this time, if they all stay healthy and come back, you can buy your tickets 2 months in advance and get a stud. I'll continue to write this on the cold bleak days this winter
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against the Giants in the playoffs, I forget what year it was, pitched one of the greatest games of all time under the circumstances. loved Bobby Jones
against the Giants in the playoffs, I forget what year it was, pitched one of the greatest games of all time under the circumstances. loved Bobby Jones
I was there for that. All things considered the most important pitching performance I ever saw live. Best ever was Pedro vs. the Yankees, had like 17-18 k's for the Sox.
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
IMO, you're ignoring some useful data. There's more to go on when projecting future performance than 90 or so games in 2015. Just last year Reyes had a year that Tejada will likely never be able to have.
I think Reyes is a pretty damn good bet to outproduce Tejada for RoS 2015 and 2016, especially now that he's off of the turf. I sincerely doubt we'd have to give up any prospects of significance to get Reyes.
game against the Yankees was the most dominate performance I ever saw. They knew what wat he going to throw and there was nothing they could do about except turn around and go back to the dugout
Z...We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didn't have to
against the Giants in the playoffs, I forget what year it was, pitched one of the greatest games of all time under the circumstances. loved Bobby Jones
wait which Bobby Jones? did the Mets have two Bobby Jones' at the same time.
Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
IMO, you're ignoring some useful data. There's more to go on when projecting future performance than 90 or so games in 2015. Just last year Reyes had a year that Tejada will likely never be able to have.
I think Reyes is a pretty damn good bet to outproduce Tejada for RoS 2015 and 2016, especially now that he's off of the turf. I sincerely doubt we'd have to give up any prospects of significance to get Reyes.
Reyes fWAR:
2012 3.9
2013 2.2
2014 3.4
2015 1.1
Tejada fWAR:
2012 1.7
2013 -0.3
2014 1.3
2015 1.3
Your seriously going back to 2012 to make a case that Reyes has been better than Tejada over the last 5 years?? lol. Wow. I think we all know that. Congratulations. I was speaking to this season in which Reyes has played most of. He's now old and a terrible defensive SS. He's not likely to get better.
Z...We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didn't have to
Clueless.
Yeah and I guess widely being reported as having serious conversations about Bruce, Tulo, Gomez ect is all a ruse for the sake of making fans on the BBI web site happy. We have no money to spend. Completely broke again., All for show folks.
against the Giants in the playoffs, I forget what year it was, pitched one of the greatest games of all time under the circumstances. loved Bobby Jones
wait which Bobby Jones? did the Mets have two Bobby Jones' at the same time.
Was it racist to call the other one "Black Bobby Jones"? lol
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
the Mets chances with the Team on the field today, I will like them more on Friday when TDA replaces Plawecki. I will like them a lot more if Wright is playing 3b on August 15th. I will like them more if Matz takes the hill on august 15t. I like them more if Blevins is coming out of the pen on August 15th
BAN THE MAN
There is no anti Plawecki talk allowed here!!
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
be nice to add SOME team speed but I guess they will rely on Ceciliani or Herrera post 9/1
I agree wholeheartedly with you there Dan. Unfortunately we've got a FO who doesn't believe in speed nor a manager who believes in using speed. I still think the biggest need on the team (and organizationally) is a leadoff sparkplug.
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
Yes, Z.. because there are zero moves to be made that don't include our absolute best prospects.
You'll believe anything this FO feeds you. It's incredible.
that would be an interesting flier, in all likelihood as a waiver trade if we miss out on bigger fish. Pesky veteran speed guys always seem to have their moment in big games. I'd prefer him to Byrd since he can play CF, even though I'm sure he's lost a few steps at age 35.
be nice to add SOME team speed but I guess they will rely on Ceciliani or Herrera post 9/1
I agree wholeheartedly with you there Dan. Unfortunately we've got a FO who doesn't believe in speed nor a manager who believes in using speed. I still think the biggest need on the team (and organizationally) is a leadoff sparkplug.
Simon mentioned Rajai Davis, I thought about maybe Crisp for Cuddyer until I saw Davis was -17 DRS last season! WOW. Not much speed to be had.
and it certainly is too small a sample to judge, he can carry the team on his back till the end of the season like he did last year.I'm not banking on it, but he is a difference maker when hitting
Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
Yes, Z.. because there are zero moves to be made that don't include our absolute best prospects.
You'll believe anything this FO feeds you. It's incredible.
Isn't that exactly the kind of player we are all referring to though? The huge difference maker like Gomez, or Tulo, or Cespedes? Do we really need more depth moves? The back end of the roster looks pretty strong all of the sudden. Unfortunately the big guys are going to cost a lot, possibly too much. Even Dan has said Parra's price tag is now through the roof and probably not worth it.
He needs some help. TDA can help. Duda can help. Cadaver is done. We're still going to be offensively challenged even with Uribe and Johnson. But it's better than it was.
It doesn't have to be so cut and dry, though. That's what bugs me. And the reason I keep bringing up payroll is because the price on Bruce would be less if we were willing to take Phillips' contract back with him (and Phillips is still a pretty good regular)
There are plenty examples of how being able to kick in money/take money back can improve the club without paying such a hefty price in terms of prospects. I just wish the Mets would show the ability to do that. It helps and absolutely can make a difference.
Fans who can't acknowledge the good and bad about their teams
from Dan sure.. but how do we know that is even a remote possibility?? For all we know that has zero chance of even being a remote possibility whether we had the payroll to take it on or not. Plus we have a huge glut at second base right now with Murphy, Johnson, AND Flores. Plus Herrera in AAA. 4 2nd baseman basically available today and we want to pay an overpaid 5th?
I personally think we can get Bruce without that but who knows whats really going on here.
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
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If you are referring to me what part of the roster do I not see the bad in? I would like a huge MVP caliber bat in the middle of the lineup as much as the next guy but it might not be doable or all that easy to pull off. And Im not up for mortgaging the future either. I think we likely have enough right now to compete. Especially with TDA back Friday and possibly Wright the end of August.
You need to find a leadoff man to go that route HH
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
RE: This thread has gone from which pitcher has the highest ceiling
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
No offense to the original topic but how long could this thread possibly be on that one topic?
RE: RE: Fans who can't acknowledge the good and bad about their teams
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
If you are referring to me what part of the roster do I not see the bad in? I would like a huge MVP caliber bat in the middle of the lineup as much as the next guy but it might not be doable or all that easy to pull off. And Im not up for mortgaging the future either. I think we likely have enough right now to compete. Especially with TDA back Friday and possibly Wright the end of August.
I just can't remember you criticizing the Mets. And God knows that they've been bad for long enough to deserve a ton of a criticism. We can enjoy this amazing young pitching and being in it (though the Nats haven't been great) while knocking them for past and current mismanagement, no?
Parra. Still hope we can add him and he won't cost us a ton. I know he was a gold glover two years ago and weirdly his defensive numbers are down being jerked around in three different positions but at 28 I think he would'nt kill us in CF. He'd be better than Granderson there and you still have Lagares to take over late in a game.
RE: Fans who can't acknowledge the good and bad about their teams
I would try Conforto hitting lead off. it's not etched in stone he stays there, he will be their eventual # 3 hitter, but why not give it a shot for a week to 10 days?
RE: RE: This thread has gone from which pitcher has the highest ceiling
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
No offense to the original topic but how long could this thread possibly be on that one topic?
I agree. Sorry my sarcasm alert button was turned off. :)
Everyone has expected a Padres salary purge for weeks
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Please do. Going to be pretty pointless unless Tejada is starting full time however.
Then why even bother to bring up Tejada's stats in 4 months of baseball unless to say the guy we have is as good as Reyes?
Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
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I was there for that. All things considered the most important pitching performance I ever saw live. Best ever was Pedro vs. the Yankees, had like 17-18 k's for the Sox.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
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Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
IMO, you're ignoring some useful data. There's more to go on when projecting future performance than 90 or so games in 2015. Just last year Reyes had a year that Tejada will likely never be able to have.
I think Reyes is a pretty damn good bet to outproduce Tejada for RoS 2015 and 2016, especially now that he's off of the turf. I sincerely doubt we'd have to give up any prospects of significance to get Reyes.
Reyes fWAR:
2012 3.9
2013 2.2
2014 3.4
2015 1.1
Tejada fWAR:
2012 1.7
2013 -0.3
2014 1.3
2015 1.3
Clueless.
wait which Bobby Jones? did the Mets have two Bobby Jones' at the same time.
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Im pointing it out because NEITHER is a difference maker. Tejada playing in only a pat time role until recently has already acquired MORE WAR then Reyes. They are both roughly the same hitter. Would you consider Tejada's bat awesome or something? I sure wouldn't. The point is Reyes is WORST than Tejada. Why should we take on a contract and give up prospects for somebody worst then we have? It makes no sense. And Tejada isn't the answer either. He's doing a decent job but I would be looking to replace him again in the offseason or moving to Cecchini in 2016.
IMO, you're ignoring some useful data. There's more to go on when projecting future performance than 90 or so games in 2015. Just last year Reyes had a year that Tejada will likely never be able to have.
I think Reyes is a pretty damn good bet to outproduce Tejada for RoS 2015 and 2016, especially now that he's off of the turf. I sincerely doubt we'd have to give up any prospects of significance to get Reyes.
Reyes fWAR:
2012 3.9
2013 2.2
2014 3.4
2015 1.1
Tejada fWAR:
2012 1.7
2013 -0.3
2014 1.3
2015 1.3
Your seriously going back to 2012 to make a case that Reyes has been better than Tejada over the last 5 years?? lol. Wow. I think we all know that. Congratulations. I was speaking to this season in which Reyes has played most of. He's now old and a terrible defensive SS. He's not likely to get better.
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Z...We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didn't have to
Clueless.
Yeah and I guess widely being reported as having serious conversations about Bruce, Tulo, Gomez ect is all a ruse for the sake of making fans on the BBI web site happy. We have no money to spend. Completely broke again., All for show folks.
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against the Giants in the playoffs, I forget what year it was, pitched one of the greatest games of all time under the circumstances. loved Bobby Jones
wait which Bobby Jones? did the Mets have two Bobby Jones' at the same time.
Was it racist to call the other one "Black Bobby Jones"? lol
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Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
BAN THE MAN
There is no anti Plawecki talk allowed here!!
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Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
I agree wholeheartedly with you there Dan. Unfortunately we've got a FO who doesn't believe in speed nor a manager who believes in using speed. I still think the biggest need on the team (and organizationally) is a leadoff sparkplug.
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Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
Yes, Z.. because there are zero moves to be made that don't include our absolute best prospects.
You'll believe anything this FO feeds you. It's incredible.
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be nice to add SOME team speed but I guess they will rely on Ceciliani or Herrera post 9/1
I agree wholeheartedly with you there Dan. Unfortunately we've got a FO who doesn't believe in speed nor a manager who believes in using speed. I still think the biggest need on the team (and organizationally) is a leadoff sparkplug.
Simon mentioned Rajai Davis, I thought about maybe Crisp for Cuddyer until I saw Davis was -17 DRS last season! WOW. Not much speed to be had.
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Z, we haven't added a cent to payroll. Zilch. Don't know where you are getting 5.5 from. It's well documented at this point that all we've spent were savings. There's no net + in terms of payroll.
We were getting whatever insurance we got from Wright and the Mejia suspensions regardless so yes we added payroll over the deadline that we didnt have to. Its not the Mets fault if unforeseen tragedies have happened they will get repaid a little bit back on.
I have no idea why some of you are so hung up on the payroll anyway. We were sitting here wondering if they would do anything a week ago. They went out and acquired three players that cost almost twice as much as Zobrsist. They also acquired two players that cost almost 4 million in the spring. What's the point here? Those players aren't good enough because nobody will be happy unless they spend 20 million on a player? Makes no sense.
Oh lord, you're kidding me right?
We are hung up on the payroll because despite a thousand empty assurances that we "have money to spend" and "have flexibility", not one thing has been done to back those statements.
We can take on a contract? Show us! Stop telling us you can. Stop needing cash to be a part of trades which forces us to give up better prospects. Prove it.
Got it. So prove it. Gut our entire system. Lets trade Wheeler, Herrera, and half our future away so we can prove to Arc that we have the ability to take on a contract. That makes perfect sense to me.
And just so you know. Oakland was steadfast on Meisner. Sandy only asked for a million bucks back because he knew Beane wasn't budging. Just because we got back a million bucks out of almost 4 doesn't mean we could have suddenly given up Tyler Pill in a trade. lol
Yes, Z.. because there are zero moves to be made that don't include our absolute best prospects.
You'll believe anything this FO feeds you. It's incredible.
Isn't that exactly the kind of player we are all referring to though? The huge difference maker like Gomez, or Tulo, or Cespedes? Do we really need more depth moves? The back end of the roster looks pretty strong all of the sudden. Unfortunately the big guys are going to cost a lot, possibly too much. Even Dan has said Parra's price tag is now through the roof and probably not worth it.
There are plenty examples of how being able to kick in money/take money back can improve the club without paying such a hefty price in terms of prospects. I just wish the Mets would show the ability to do that. It helps and absolutely can make a difference.
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
I personally think we can get Bruce without that but who knows whats really going on here.
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
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If you are referring to me what part of the roster do I not see the bad in? I would like a huge MVP caliber bat in the middle of the lineup as much as the next guy but it might not be doable or all that easy to pull off. And Im not up for mortgaging the future either. I think we likely have enough right now to compete. Especially with TDA back Friday and possibly Wright the end of August.
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
No offense to the original topic but how long could this thread possibly be on that one topic?
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are annoying as F.
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
If you are referring to me what part of the roster do I not see the bad in? I would like a huge MVP caliber bat in the middle of the lineup as much as the next guy but it might not be doable or all that easy to pull off. And Im not up for mortgaging the future either. I think we likely have enough right now to compete. Especially with TDA back Friday and possibly Wright the end of August.
I just can't remember you criticizing the Mets. And God knows that they've been bad for long enough to deserve a ton of a criticism. We can enjoy this amazing young pitching and being in it (though the Nats haven't been great) while knocking them for past and current mismanagement, no?
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Teams speaking with the #Padres say theyre about to get super-active & think theyre positioning themselves to make a huge deal.
Parra. Still hope we can add him and he won't cost us a ton. I know he was a gold glover two years ago and weirdly his defensive numbers are down being jerked around in three different positions but at 28 I think he would'nt kill us in CF. He'd be better than Granderson there and you still have Lagares to take over late in a game.
It's times like these I feel the need to get literary.
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
I think most fans can acknowledge the good and the bad, but for some they can enjoy the good without the need to dwell and harp on the bad.
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to what is the Wilpons payroll ceiling.
For the record, I don't trust ownership to make a trade to add payroll. I would love to be surprised of course. And if the Wilpons do take on salary, I would certainly applaud the move.
No offense to the original topic but how long could this thread possibly be on that one topic?
I agree. Sorry my sarcasm alert button was turned off. :)
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