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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 10:03 am
Rand Getlin & #8207;@Rand_Getlin 2m2 minutes ago

Former #1 overall pick Jake Long will visit the #Giants after completing his visit with the #Falcons, a source said.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 1:02 pm : link
In comment 12391430 sphinx said:
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Chris LongVerified account
‏@JOEL9ONE

I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!


Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.


This is hilarious.
FWIW, Long played RT his first two years at Michigan.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 1:04 pm : link
So the position is not completely unfamiliar, though that was nearly ten years ago.
Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
BeerFridge : 7/29/2015 1:07 pm : link
he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
If he's healthy what's not to like.  
Watson : 7/29/2015 1:10 pm : link

Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.
Do We Have To Win A "Click War" With Falcon Fans...  
Jim in Tampa : 7/29/2015 1:10 pm : link
In order for Long to choose the Giants?

If so let me know and I'll clear my afternoon schedule.
see my 11:47  
JonC : 7/29/2015 1:12 pm : link
all signs point to EF as the LT of the future, the question was only when and WB's pec answered that.

Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
I see what Raanan means about him being a mess before the ACLs,  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 1:13 pm : link
Shoulder... Toe... Ankle... Foot... Back... Biceps... then the two knee blowouts. All after very nearly dying in a fire after his redshirt freshman year.

He should fit right in!
RE: Joey +1  
OC2.0 : 7/29/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12391480 JonC said:
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no reason to move Flowers unless he's failing and his confidence is at risk.


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RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
Joey in VA : 7/29/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12391504 BeerFridge said:
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.

Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
The original plan was Flowers at RT  
BillT : 7/29/2015 1:19 pm : link
They could go either way with Long but moving Flowers back to RT doesn't "slow his development". It's whatever the best ft is given Long's current abilities.
RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
Matt M. : 7/29/2015 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12391534 Joey in VA said:
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.


Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
if Long is healthy he adds good competition for the RT spot  
WeatherMan : 7/29/2015 1:21 pm : link
LT for better or worse is going to be Flowers job, the spot TBD is on the other side.
And I mean for this year  
BillT : 7/29/2015 1:21 pm : link
The plan was Flowers at RT even though they wanted him at LT for the long run.
it was EF at RT until WB tore his pec  
JonC : 7/29/2015 1:22 pm : link
The team chose to accelerate EF's future to LT, knowing he might well be their best hope at LT, even as a rookie.

Jake Long isn't likely to change that, we'd be fortunate if he wins the RT gig over Newhouse.
Question would be  
micky : 7/29/2015 1:26 pm : link
can he stay on the field and not IR to play RT.
RE: RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
BeerFridge : 7/29/2015 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12391546 Matt M. said:
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.


Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.

I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.


I must have missed some affirmations that he was the LT of the future. I remember a lot of "he can play left, he can play right" statements by the personnel folks after the draft, which I took to be more non-committal than indicative. But perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention when reading the tea leaves.

I'm not saying that he's a RT or a LT. I won't have a strong feeling until I see him playing some NFL snaps. If the Giants think that he's the LT of the future, then sure it's probably best to get him climbing that learning curve now. But if they viewed him as the next Kareem McKenzie and LT was just the best option they had currently then it would make sense to move him to RT if a suitable replacement is found at LT (like a healthy Long - if that's possible).
Signing Long would be huge  
GiantsFan84 : 7/29/2015 1:28 pm : link
you don't need him to hold up for a full season as Beatty will be back mid way through the year. You hope he can give you some respectable games while Flowers acclimates and buys you some time until Beatty gets back.

I've said this many times, you can scheme around 1 bad OL, specifically a tackle by chipping with the TE and RB, but you cannot scheme around 2 bad OL.

Get this done Jerry.
I do not believe Erick Flowers is on this roster at that draft slot  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 1:29 pm : link
if the Giants felt that he was purely a RT.

They have spoken repeatedly that they believe he's a LT in waiting. That's the position potential that sold them on drafting him. If Beatty had been healthy, Beatty was just keeping the seat warm for Flowers regardless.
Hate to say it but  
Jazzertpt Go Big Blue! : 7/29/2015 1:35 pm : link
pull the JPP tag, save the money. Reup Eli

Get some depth by signing Jake and Mathis

Is there anyone out there on the bubble defense wise to add some depth?
once again  
eli4life : 7/29/2015 2:05 pm : link
Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
While we wait for news...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 2:07 pm : link
...I'll just add that Jackie Long seems to be quite popular... even among Ram fans, who can be pretty tough on players' wives.
RE: If he's healthy what's not to like.  
nicky43 : 7/29/2015 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12391517 Watson said:
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Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.


I agree. With our bad health luck, we can use the insurance. What are we going to do if Pugh or Flowers get injured?

eli4life has a good point. Torn pec has to be a difficult injury  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 2:31 pm : link
for an OT to return from. They need to have a contingency not named Newhouse or Moseley on hand in case of a setback to Beatty.
RE: once again  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 2:45 pm : link
In comment 12391668 eli4life said:
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Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?


He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.

Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
RE: RE: once again  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12391766 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?



He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.

Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.


I agree, I don't see Beatty as an effective RT.
If Jake Long  
Fish : 7/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.
RE: If Jake Long  
BillT : 7/29/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.

He was injured and couldn't pass a physical.
RE: If Jake Long  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.


Jake Long is coming back from injury rehab and could not pass a physical previously.
RE: If Jake Long  
River Mike : 7/29/2015 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.


You're assuming its because no team has tried to sign him. Could be he's not signing until he checks out all possibilities
Looks like  
Metnut : 7/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
he left NY without signing. Going to Denver next.
Per Ralph V's  
Brandon Walsh : 7/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
twitter feed (can't link from work), Long is leaving without a contract to visit the Broncos.

He still remains in play for the Giants but wants to explore all options before making a decision. In no rush

That's paraphrased from RV.
I'm not an expert but I've always understood that you lose  
Watson : 7/29/2015 3:28 pm : link
Conditioning faster than strength. I would think his injury shouldn't prevent him from working on it. Also should be able to work on leg strength.

Obviously, it's going to affect his play but don't think the year is a total loss. He's going to lose strength but he's an athlete and has probably been working out since HS with limited breaks. These guys have a tendency to lose strength not as fast as the average person.

The fact that his game has been more technique than power might be a help even if he plays RT. Pugh was competent at RT.
and Mosely is still on scholarship. Newhouse was cheap and  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link
available.
His injury history is also what makes the negotiation interesting.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link
At first glance, you'd expect Long to be worth more than J.D. Walton, right? Walton hadn't played in two years, wasn't that good in Denver when he did play, and still wound up pocketing about $3MM for one season of lousy work at center.

The tricky part is that Walton was conceded a starting job, and got starter money. That turned out to be a mistake, but it did influence his valuation. If Long is just coming in to compete for a position, his contract might be more in the Robert Ayers neighborhood.
..  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 12m12 minutes ago

The door remains open for the Giants to sign Long, I'm told, but he is planning to consider his options and not rush to pick a team.
And  
sin : 7/29/2015 3:38 pm : link
there it is. He's going to have his pick of team. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get him. He may cost too much.
If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Devon : 7/29/2015 3:53 pm : link
Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.
Seems like his health is good enough that he has some options now.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 3:55 pm : link
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RE: If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12391990 Devon said:
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Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.


Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.
I am sure as a veteran  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 4:03 pm : link
He is in no rush to get to camp. I know he wants to get in shape and learn the offense but I am sure he wants to miss some of the two a days.
RE: RE: If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Devon : 7/29/2015 4:04 pm : link
In comment 12392012 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.



Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.


Clady tore his ACL back in May.

They have an opening for a starter, assuming he shows above replacement level.
He wants to miss two-a-days?  
Shepherdsam : 7/29/2015 4:17 pm : link


Then I've got some good news for him...
I wonder if Cherilus is going to come visit  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 4:23 pm : link
He visited the Bills today and said he isn't going to make a decision yet because he is scheduled to meet a few more teams. I am just hoping that Mosley stays healthy and wins the RT spot either way because that would be a huge boost from a player who many had left for dead last year.
Cherilus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 5:11 pm : link
is visiting the Lions next.
BBI Update  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 5:12 pm : link
fyi
Jake Long Visits Giants Again; Coughlin Comments on JPP - ( New Window )
i'm sure he is looking for a place to be  
nyynyg : 7/29/2015 5:13 pm : link
a certain starter with some decent money. We are probably presenting okay money and a "chance" to win the RT job. And a chance factors into how much we pay.

Long I am sure is doing the circuit to see who he can get the best deal from, as anyone would.
Smart play by Long  
GiantsFan84 : 7/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
if he misses a couple days of camp so what, he's a veteran and can pick it up. Meet with all the teams, get your price as high as you can (missing a couple days of camp may be appealing to him), and then sign.

Also gives the Giants a couple days to realize how bad Newhouse is and further drive up his price.
Bronco's makes the most sense  
giantgiantfan : 7/29/2015 5:53 pm : link
for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)

Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at.
Cap Space - ( New Window )
RE: Bronco's makes the most sense  
giantgiantfan : 7/29/2015 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12392264 giantgiantfan said:
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for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)

Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at. Cap Space - ( New Window )


Of course with the JPP money the Giants suddenly have the most cap space out of the 3 as they would jump to over $19 million.
More importantly  
mikeygiants : 7/29/2015 7:47 pm : link
who is the putz that borrowed my BBI handle for their twitter account?

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Mike Ferraro @MikeyGiants
@JordanRaanan Hows his health situation ?
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