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Jake Long Visiting Giants Again

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 10:03 am
Rand Getlin & #8207;@Rand_Getlin 2m2 minutes ago

Former #1 overall pick Jake Long will visit the #Giants after completing his visit with the #Falcons, a source said.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 10:04 am : link
Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN 18s19 seconds ago

I am told the Giants still have interest in free-agent tackle Jake Long, who visited with the Falcons yesterday.
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Giants normally don't bring someone in a second time  
TheMick7 : 7/29/2015 10:08 am : link
unless they are looking to add him to the roster.This is interesting to say the least!
Jerry's trip to atlanta  
mattlawson : 7/29/2015 10:09 am : link
in the family truckster going well
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arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 10:11 am : link
Would really like to add him if he checks out physically.
If he is coming back for a visit  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2015 10:11 am : link
i think it is a pretty good bet he is signing...

I don't see any reason not to be interested if he's healthy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 10:11 am : link
I would taken a Jake Long at the end of his injury-shortened career over Marshall Newhouse.
If he can  
Sarasota-Phil : 7/29/2015 10:13 am : link
pass the physical and the price isn't crazy or at least mostly incentive based then this should be a no brainer.

Worst case scenario he is the starting RT immediately.
This second visit is unusual for the Giants  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 10:14 am : link
They are probably re-checking his medical progress. I have the feeling if they like his prognosis they will sign him.
Long  
stretch234 : 7/29/2015 10:14 am : link
He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older

If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.

Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
Due diligence imo.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 10:14 am : link
Sure there's interest, but I would think it's about how much improvement they see from the last bisit
I agree with BB  
Matt in SGS : 7/29/2015 10:18 am : link
due diligence. If he shows that he's healthy enough, you can look to bring him in for depth. What if Flowers pulls a hamstring (or worse) early on in camp? I'd rather have a veteran protecting Eli's blindside.

The Giants have spent the past few years re-working the skill positions around Eli and they finally have those pieces in place for him to have a huge year in this offense. But it will all go to hell if no one in front of him can block.
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Randy in CT : 7/29/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12390906 stretch234 said:
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He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older

If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.

Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
Agreed. No way the Giants bring him back for a second visit--oh, wait...
RE: Long  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 10:26 am : link
In comment 12390906 stretch234 said:
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He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older

If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.

Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate


I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.
I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 10:29 am : link
Agreed. They need to bridge the gap until Beatty returns. That should be around mid season, maybe a bit sooner. The idea of Newhouse/Mosley for half a year scares the crap out of me. We'll see how it plays out.
I feel strongly that with the Giants recent injury history....  
GiantBlue : 7/29/2015 10:31 am : link
this exam will be very detailed and if there is any way he can hold his own; he will be signed. Now...Is it LT until Beatty returns or RT?
Let's see if the Falcons let him leave without signing  
JonC : 7/29/2015 10:36 am : link
If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
RE: I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12390936 Torrag said:
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Agreed. They need to bridge the gap until Beatty returns. That should be around mid season, maybe a bit sooner. The idea of Newhouse/Mosley for half a year scares the crap out of me. We'll see how it plays out.


I agree. Tackle position is a question mark - I'm high on Flowers, but expecting a young guy (allegedly with technique issues?) to step in immediately and succeed is a lot to ask for. I think the interior will be good, which is important given the three-step drop focus in this offense. Can see a tough September/October before getting a lot better in November/December.r
RE: Let's see if the Falcons let him leave without signing  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12390952 JonC said:
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.


Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 10:47 am : link
Art Stapleton 39 seconds ago
Jake Long update: I'm told FA OL is already in the building this morning for his 2nd visit with the Giants. #NYG

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nygiants16 : 7/29/2015 10:47 am : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 48s49 seconds ago
Jake Long update: I'm told FA OL is already in the building this morning for his 2nd visit with the Giants. #NYG
I take Long over Newhouse any day of the week  
Ben in Tampa : 7/29/2015 10:47 am : link
Assuming Long can pass a physical
I'd like to see him in camp if his knee is stable .  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 10:48 am : link
Veteran presence, and forces Moseley and Newhouse to battle it out for a reserve spot
RE: RE: Let's see if the Falcons let him leave without signing  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12390967 Big Blue '56 said:
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.



Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread


Yes, unless he's two places at once. In which case, sign him. He's at the Giants facilities.
he's at*.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 10:49 am : link
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JonC : 7/29/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12390967 Big Blue '56 said:
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.



Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread


Cool, Stapleton confirms it. From the first posts of this thread it wasn't entirely clear, but I hadn't been paying close attention either. grin
Stapleton a step further ...  
sphinx : 7/29/2015 10:53 am : link
Art Stapleton
If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building.
Makes too much sense to sign

Given his injury history...  
x meadowlander : 7/29/2015 10:54 am : link
...I'm surprised the Giants haven't signed him already. :)
Was it  
Fish : 7/29/2015 10:56 am : link
Plaxico or Arrington that had second visits?
I'd take the  
Hem Roid : 7/29/2015 10:59 am : link
corpse of Jake Long over Marshall Newhouse ...
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sin : 7/29/2015 11:00 am : link
wouldn't look at this as a typical second visit. When he came in the first time he wasn't healthy. The Giants have been keeping tabs as well as monitoring the situation internally (the horses they currently have). It's in Long's best interest if he's healthy to re-visit interested teams in order to get the best deal. It also doesn't surprise me that he visited Atlanta first. I'm sure he has the Giant's attention.

If he can pass a physical this makes too much sense.
RE: Given his injury history...  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 11:00 am : link
In comment 12391017 x meadowlander said:
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...I'm surprised the Giants haven't signed him already. :)


good one!
RE: I'd take the  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 11:00 am : link
In comment 12391033 Hem Roid said:
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corpse of Jake Long over Marshall Newhouse ...


another good one!

guys are rolling today
I wonder if Long signs if Freeny may be next  
GiantBlue : 7/29/2015 11:02 am : link
I know there is interest in him too and prove-it deals could provide incentive to both if healthy enough to contribute. It will be an interesting couple of days.
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Hem Roid : 7/29/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12391042 Victor in CT said:
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corpse of Jake Long over Marshall Newhouse ...


I have personally been able to witness and watch both the careers of Newhouse and Schwartz and to say they are equally both un-impressive ... we are at an all time low as far as "talent" goes up front with the exception of Pugh ... hoping Richburg and Flowers prove to be what they think they can be ...


another good one!

guys are rolling today
At the least, both could provide some additional leadership  
GiantBlue : 7/29/2015 11:03 am : link
and veteran presence.
I second what Hem Roid says  
est1986 : 7/29/2015 11:04 am : link
Even if his body is beat to shit this former number one overall draft pick should be better then what we got at right tackle. He wasn't that bad as a Ram was he? I know the concern isn't how he performed last but his health but either way...
HR, I don't get the Giants love for Schwartz either. No way I'd have  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 11:05 am : link
given that guy a 4 yr deal. To compound it, they move him to LG when he never, ever played the left side.

Stunningly he got hurt.
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 11:05 am : link
Jordan Raanan retweeted Mike Ferraro
From what I've heard, still concerns. Then again I was told he was a mess physically 3 years ago before 2 torn ACLs Jordan Raanan added,

Mike Ferraro @MikeyGiants
@JordanRaanan Hows his health situation ?


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OC2.0 : 7/29/2015 11:06 am : link
In comment 12391033 Hem Roid said:
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corpse of Jake Long over Marshall Newhouse ...


Hahaha, that's pretty fking harsh.
Art Stapleton  
est1986 : 7/29/2015 11:08 am : link
@art_stapleton
If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building. Makes too much sense to sign
Didn't see that  
est1986 : 7/29/2015 11:08 am : link
Already posted
Freeney isn't really the type of two-day DE they prefer  
JonC : 7/29/2015 11:10 am : link
but they could use the edge rusher on paper.
Let's see  
5BowlsSoon : 7/29/2015 11:12 am : link
Newhouse or Long?
like said before  
eli4life : 7/29/2015 11:13 am : link
If healthy enough to play it's a no brainer. I keep hearing until Beatty comes back I'm not exactly convinced he's going to be worth a damn at all this year. Unless I'm wrong he can't lift at all right now or in the near future? How much strength has he lost in his upper body? To say he cam come right in when healthy I'm not sold
If he looks the part, and he does sign,  
barens : 7/29/2015 11:21 am : link
I'd feel a whole lot better and super psyched about going into Dallas on opening night.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 11:22 am : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 23m23 minutes ago

From what I've heard, still concerns. Then again I was told he was a mess physically 3 years ago before 2 torn ACLs
If Long signs  
JonC : 7/29/2015 11:25 am : link
he's probably the swing tackle, dudes.
RE: Let's see if the Falcons let him leave without signing  
Devon : 7/29/2015 11:27 am : link
In comment 12390952 JonC said:
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.


Probably the same thing they saw in Charles Brown.

OL depth around the league is weak and they don't, in general, seem to have a very good knack for evaluating it anyway, at least not anymore.
Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot  
Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:28 am : link
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12391190 Anakim said:
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.


You're not worried about the RT?
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Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12391213 BrettNYG10 said:
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.



You're not worried about the RT?


Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
Let Flowers cut his teeth at LT  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 11:41 am : link
His future is there give him first crack at it. RT is the problem right now. The talent there is subpar.
the future is now for EF, and it's at LT  
JonC : 7/29/2015 11:42 am : link
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
My hope is, and it's only a hope...  
okiegiant : 7/29/2015 11:43 am : link
is Moseley surprises and plays RT and Flowers is at least adequate(early on)on the left side.

Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.

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OC2.0 : 7/29/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12391247 Torrag said:
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His future is there give him first crack at it. RT is the problem right now. The talent there is subpar.


Bingo
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Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:44 am : link
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.


Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
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JonC : 7/29/2015 11:47 am : link
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.



Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.


I saw similar attributes and questioned NYG's love for him. But, where they picked him, how highly he was graded, and all the talk from NYG since then has been about his future at LT. I'm rooting for him to succeed, they can find a RT more easily next Winter.
He  
area junc : 7/29/2015 11:48 am : link
wont leave the building
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AnishPatel : 7/29/2015 11:49 am : link
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.



Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.


Good thing he is a tackle and not playing guard. In this system, it's the front 3 that are vital. If there is a silver lining it's that our front 3 seem to be better than our tackle situation. So that's a big plus.
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GMenLTS : 7/29/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12391254 okiegiant said:
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is Moseley surprises and plays RT and Flowers is at least adequate(early on)on the left side.

Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.


That'd certainly be pretty ideal
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BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 11:50 am : link
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.



You're not worried about the RT?



Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.


I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Stapleton getting cute ...  
sphinx : 7/29/2015 11:50 am : link
Art Stapleton 3 minutes ago
Second and Long: Giants again checking on OL
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 11:51 am : link
Jordan Raanan
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon

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sphinx : 7/29/2015 11:52 am : link
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Jordan Raanan
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon

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Checking out medically is pretty big  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2015 11:53 am : link
Hopefully the cost is realistic
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 11:55 am : link
Jordan Raanan
Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.

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Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12391285 sphinx said:
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Jordan Raanan
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon


Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago
Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
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Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12391289 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Hopefully the cost is realistic


Can't be much more than the vet min (I say above the vet min. just in case they get in a bidding skirmish with Atlanta)
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Anakim : 7/29/2015 11:58 am : link
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.



You're not worried about the RT?



Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.



I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.


Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Assuming he is signed  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
Let's just hope he has enough left physically to hold down the fort until Beatty is ready to return. I really have little faith in Newhouse as a starter.
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Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 12:01 pm : link
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.



You're not worried about the RT?



Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.



I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.



Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.

Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't the starting LT  
Big Rick in FL : 7/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.

PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.

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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
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Anakim : 7/29/2015 12:06 pm : link
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.



You're not worried about the RT?



Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.



I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.



Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.


Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.


Well, Fisher sucks, but Joeckel is a good example. There ya go. It all depends on how the coaching staff sees Flowers.
At this point, he's a better gamble than JPP contributing  
ZogZerg : 7/29/2015 12:08 pm : link
to the team this year.
Long was also ranked #59 in the Top 100 Players of 2012 and ranked #28 in  
Anakim : 7/29/2015 12:08 pm : link
2011. Of course this was before the injuries, but it's not really like an Aaron Curry, who was a never was. Long is simply trying to reclaim his career after a string of injuries.
Get  
sin : 7/29/2015 12:11 pm : link
it done Jerry. If he starts, he starts. At least we would have options.
It's not that he's a never-was. His resume is good.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 12:25 pm : link
It's that the injuries have robbed him of what made him a high first round pick.

He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.
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Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12391383 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's that the injuries have robbed him of what made him a high first round pick.

He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.


This I believe as well re LT and RT
A solid run-blocking RT-sign me up  
rich in DC : 7/29/2015 12:35 pm : link
With Flowers and Pugh on the left side, and Schwartz with Long on the right side, the Giants RB might actually be able to get positive yardage when they run the ball.

Worst case, the Giants sign him and he has nothing left- move to plan B. Best case, he's not a LT anymore, but a declining LT is still an above-average RT for a year.

Then, RT becomes the FA/draft priority next year and the OL rebuild is done.
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area junc : 7/29/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12391331 Big Rick in FL said:
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Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.

PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.



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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.



agree big rick. long to LT and Flowers back to RT.
beatty will be back in  
area junc : 7/29/2015 12:36 pm : link
october
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 12:38 pm : link

Chris LongVerified account
‏@JOEL9ONE

I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 12:41 pm : link

Art Stapleton retweeted Mike Garafolo
Oh yeah. I just got punked. For a second, I bought into the idea that the Long were in fact brothers. Art Stapleton added,

Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
@art_stapleton @JOEL9ONE Too bad the rest of it is fake

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sphinx : 7/29/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12391417 Eric from BBI said:
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Chris LongVerified account
‏@JOEL9ONE

I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.

Kyle Long feels left out  
Anakim : 7/29/2015 12:50 pm : link
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I guess Art didn't talk to his real brother..Geaux  
micky : 7/29/2015 12:51 pm : link
From Lousianna.
Flowers stays at LT  
Joey in VA : 7/29/2015 12:57 pm : link
He has to. Long is older and slower and smaller, he can probably hang on at RT but FLowers HAS to stay at LT or his development suffers.
Joey +1  
JonC : 7/29/2015 12:59 pm : link
no reason to move Flowers unless he's failing and his confidence is at risk.
Yeah, at this point,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 1:00 pm : link
All In with Flowers at OLT..
RE: RE: ...  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 1:02 pm : link
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Chris LongVerified account
‏@JOEL9ONE

I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!


Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.


This is hilarious.
FWIW, Long played RT his first two years at Michigan.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 1:04 pm : link
So the position is not completely unfamiliar, though that was nearly ten years ago.
Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
BeerFridge : 7/29/2015 1:07 pm : link
he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
If he's healthy what's not to like.  
Watson : 7/29/2015 1:10 pm : link

Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.
Do We Have To Win A "Click War" With Falcon Fans...  
Jim in Tampa : 7/29/2015 1:10 pm : link
In order for Long to choose the Giants?

If so let me know and I'll clear my afternoon schedule.
see my 11:47  
JonC : 7/29/2015 1:12 pm : link
all signs point to EF as the LT of the future, the question was only when and WB's pec answered that.

Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
I see what Raanan means about him being a mess before the ACLs,  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 1:13 pm : link
Shoulder... Toe... Ankle... Foot... Back... Biceps... then the two knee blowouts. All after very nearly dying in a fire after his redshirt freshman year.

He should fit right in!
RE: Joey +1  
OC2.0 : 7/29/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12391480 JonC said:
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no reason to move Flowers unless he's failing and his confidence is at risk.


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RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
Joey in VA : 7/29/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12391504 BeerFridge said:
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.

Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
The original plan was Flowers at RT  
BillT : 7/29/2015 1:19 pm : link
They could go either way with Long but moving Flowers back to RT doesn't "slow his development". It's whatever the best ft is given Long's current abilities.
RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
Matt M. : 7/29/2015 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12391534 Joey in VA said:
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.


Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
if Long is healthy he adds good competition for the RT spot  
WeatherMan : 7/29/2015 1:21 pm : link
LT for better or worse is going to be Flowers job, the spot TBD is on the other side.
And I mean for this year  
BillT : 7/29/2015 1:21 pm : link
The plan was Flowers at RT even though they wanted him at LT for the long run.
it was EF at RT until WB tore his pec  
JonC : 7/29/2015 1:22 pm : link
The team chose to accelerate EF's future to LT, knowing he might well be their best hope at LT, even as a rookie.

Jake Long isn't likely to change that, we'd be fortunate if he wins the RT gig over Newhouse.
Question would be  
micky : 7/29/2015 1:26 pm : link
can he stay on the field and not IR to play RT.
RE: RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought  
BeerFridge : 7/29/2015 1:27 pm : link
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.


Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.

I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.


I must have missed some affirmations that he was the LT of the future. I remember a lot of "he can play left, he can play right" statements by the personnel folks after the draft, which I took to be more non-committal than indicative. But perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention when reading the tea leaves.

I'm not saying that he's a RT or a LT. I won't have a strong feeling until I see him playing some NFL snaps. If the Giants think that he's the LT of the future, then sure it's probably best to get him climbing that learning curve now. But if they viewed him as the next Kareem McKenzie and LT was just the best option they had currently then it would make sense to move him to RT if a suitable replacement is found at LT (like a healthy Long - if that's possible).
Signing Long would be huge  
GiantsFan84 : 7/29/2015 1:28 pm : link
you don't need him to hold up for a full season as Beatty will be back mid way through the year. You hope he can give you some respectable games while Flowers acclimates and buys you some time until Beatty gets back.

I've said this many times, you can scheme around 1 bad OL, specifically a tackle by chipping with the TE and RB, but you cannot scheme around 2 bad OL.

Get this done Jerry.
I do not believe Erick Flowers is on this roster at that draft slot  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 1:29 pm : link
if the Giants felt that he was purely a RT.

They have spoken repeatedly that they believe he's a LT in waiting. That's the position potential that sold them on drafting him. If Beatty had been healthy, Beatty was just keeping the seat warm for Flowers regardless.
Hate to say it but  
Jazzertpt Go Big Blue! : 7/29/2015 1:35 pm : link
pull the JPP tag, save the money. Reup Eli

Get some depth by signing Jake and Mathis

Is there anyone out there on the bubble defense wise to add some depth?
once again  
eli4life : 7/29/2015 2:05 pm : link
Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
While we wait for news...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 2:07 pm : link
...I'll just add that Jackie Long seems to be quite popular... even among Ram fans, who can be pretty tough on players' wives.
RE: If he's healthy what's not to like.  
nicky43 : 7/29/2015 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12391517 Watson said:
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Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.


I agree. With our bad health luck, we can use the insurance. What are we going to do if Pugh or Flowers get injured?

eli4life has a good point. Torn pec has to be a difficult injury  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 2:31 pm : link
for an OT to return from. They need to have a contingency not named Newhouse or Moseley on hand in case of a setback to Beatty.
RE: once again  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 2:45 pm : link
In comment 12391668 eli4life said:
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Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?


He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.

Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
RE: RE: once again  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12391766 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?



He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.

Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.


I agree, I don't see Beatty as an effective RT.
If Jake Long  
Fish : 7/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.
RE: If Jake Long  
BillT : 7/29/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.

He was injured and couldn't pass a physical.
RE: If Jake Long  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.


Jake Long is coming back from injury rehab and could not pass a physical previously.
RE: If Jake Long  
River Mike : 7/29/2015 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12391875 Fish said:
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is such an upgrade why is he still looking for work? Not just for the Giants but for any team. Yet guys like Mosely and Newhouse are signed.


You're assuming its because no team has tried to sign him. Could be he's not signing until he checks out all possibilities
Looks like  
Metnut : 7/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
he left NY without signing. Going to Denver next.
Per Ralph V's  
Brandon Walsh : 7/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
twitter feed (can't link from work), Long is leaving without a contract to visit the Broncos.

He still remains in play for the Giants but wants to explore all options before making a decision. In no rush

That's paraphrased from RV.
I'm not an expert but I've always understood that you lose  
Watson : 7/29/2015 3:28 pm : link
Conditioning faster than strength. I would think his injury shouldn't prevent him from working on it. Also should be able to work on leg strength.

Obviously, it's going to affect his play but don't think the year is a total loss. He's going to lose strength but he's an athlete and has probably been working out since HS with limited breaks. These guys have a tendency to lose strength not as fast as the average person.

The fact that his game has been more technique than power might be a help even if he plays RT. Pugh was competent at RT.
and Mosely is still on scholarship. Newhouse was cheap and  
Victor in CT : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link
available.
His injury history is also what makes the negotiation interesting.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link
At first glance, you'd expect Long to be worth more than J.D. Walton, right? Walton hadn't played in two years, wasn't that good in Denver when he did play, and still wound up pocketing about $3MM for one season of lousy work at center.

The tricky part is that Walton was conceded a starting job, and got starter money. That turned out to be a mistake, but it did influence his valuation. If Long is just coming in to compete for a position, his contract might be more in the Robert Ayers neighborhood.
..  
I Love Clams Casino : 7/29/2015 3:29 pm : link

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 12m12 minutes ago

The door remains open for the Giants to sign Long, I'm told, but he is planning to consider his options and not rush to pick a team.
And  
sin : 7/29/2015 3:38 pm : link
there it is. He's going to have his pick of team. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get him. He may cost too much.
If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Devon : 7/29/2015 3:53 pm : link
Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.
Seems like his health is good enough that he has some options now.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 3:55 pm : link
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RE: If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/29/2015 4:02 pm : link
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Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.


Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.
I am sure as a veteran  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 4:03 pm : link
He is in no rush to get to camp. I know he wants to get in shape and learn the offense but I am sure he wants to miss some of the two a days.
RE: RE: If the money is the same, he's not going to choose the Giants over  
Devon : 7/29/2015 4:04 pm : link
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Denver.

That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.



Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.


Clady tore his ACL back in May.

They have an opening for a starter, assuming he shows above replacement level.
He wants to miss two-a-days?  
Shepherdsam : 7/29/2015 4:17 pm : link


Then I've got some good news for him...
I wonder if Cherilus is going to come visit  
Jay on the Island : 7/29/2015 4:23 pm : link
He visited the Bills today and said he isn't going to make a decision yet because he is scheduled to meet a few more teams. I am just hoping that Mosley stays healthy and wins the RT spot either way because that would be a huge boost from a player who many had left for dead last year.
Cherilus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 5:11 pm : link
is visiting the Lions next.
BBI Update  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 5:12 pm : link
fyi
Jake Long Visits Giants Again; Coughlin Comments on JPP - ( New Window )
i'm sure he is looking for a place to be  
nyynyg : 7/29/2015 5:13 pm : link
a certain starter with some decent money. We are probably presenting okay money and a "chance" to win the RT job. And a chance factors into how much we pay.

Long I am sure is doing the circuit to see who he can get the best deal from, as anyone would.
Smart play by Long  
GiantsFan84 : 7/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
if he misses a couple days of camp so what, he's a veteran and can pick it up. Meet with all the teams, get your price as high as you can (missing a couple days of camp may be appealing to him), and then sign.

Also gives the Giants a couple days to realize how bad Newhouse is and further drive up his price.
Bronco's makes the most sense  
giantgiantfan : 7/29/2015 5:53 pm : link
for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)

Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at.
Cap Space - ( New Window )
RE: Bronco's makes the most sense  
giantgiantfan : 7/29/2015 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12392264 giantgiantfan said:
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for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)

Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at. Cap Space - ( New Window )


Of course with the JPP money the Giants suddenly have the most cap space out of the 3 as they would jump to over $19 million.
More importantly  
mikeygiants : 7/29/2015 7:47 pm : link
who is the putz that borrowed my BBI handle for their twitter account?

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Mike Ferraro @MikeyGiants
@JordanRaanan Hows his health situation ?
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