He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
due diligence. If he shows that he's healthy enough, you can look to bring him in for depth. What if Flowers pulls a hamstring (or worse) early on in camp? I'd rather have a veteran protecting Eli's blindside.
The Giants have spent the past few years re-working the skill positions around Eli and they finally have those pieces in place for him to have a huge year in this offense. But it will all go to hell if no one in front of him can block.
He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
Agreed. No way the Giants bring him back for a second visit--oh, wait...
He is done. He has visited teams a bunch already and no one has signed him. Guys who miss games with significant injuries do not start getting healthier as they get older
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.
I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.
Agreed. They need to bridge the gap until Beatty returns. That should be around mid season, maybe a bit sooner. The idea of Newhouse/Mosley for half a year scares the crap out of me. We'll see how it plays out.
I feel strongly that with the Giants recent injury history....
If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
RE: I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.
Agreed. They need to bridge the gap until Beatty returns. That should be around mid season, maybe a bit sooner. The idea of Newhouse/Mosley for half a year scares the crap out of me. We'll see how it plays out.
I agree. Tackle position is a question mark - I'm high on Flowers, but expecting a young guy (allegedly with technique issues?) to step in immediately and succeed is a lot to ask for. I think the interior will be good, which is important given the three-step drop focus in this offense. Can see a tough September/October before getting a lot better in November/December.r
RE: Let's see if the Falcons let him leave without signing
If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
Yes, unless he's two places at once. In which case, sign him. He's at the Giants facilities.
If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
Cool, Stapleton confirms it. From the first posts of this thread it wasn't entirely clear, but I hadn't been paying close attention either. grin
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If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building.
Makes too much sense to sign
wouldn't look at this as a typical second visit. When he came in the first time he wasn't healthy. The Giants have been keeping tabs as well as monitoring the situation internally (the horses they currently have). It's in Long's best interest if he's healthy to re-visit interested teams in order to get the best deal. It also doesn't surprise me that he visited Atlanta first. I'm sure he has the Giant's attention.
If he can pass a physical this makes too much sense.
I know there is interest in him too and prove-it deals could provide incentive to both if healthy enough to contribute. It will be an interesting couple of days.
I have personally been able to witness and watch both the careers of Newhouse and Schwartz and to say they are equally both un-impressive ... we are at an all time low as far as "talent" goes up front with the exception of Pugh ... hoping Richburg and Flowers prove to be what they think they can be ...
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At the least, both could provide some additional leadership
Even if his body is beat to shit this former number one overall draft pick should be better then what we got at right tackle. He wasn't that bad as a Ram was he? I know the concern isn't how he performed last but his health but either way...
HR, I don't get the Giants love for Schwartz either. No way I'd have
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From what I've heard, still concerns. Then again I was told he was a mess physically 3 years ago before 2 torn ACLs Jordan Raanan added,
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If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building. Makes too much sense to sign
If healthy enough to play it's a no brainer. I keep hearing until Beatty comes back I'm not exactly convinced he's going to be worth a damn at all this year. Unless I'm wrong he can't lift at all right now or in the near future? How much strength has he lost in his upper body? To say he cam come right in when healthy I'm not sold
If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Probably the same thing they saw in Charles Brown.
OL depth around the league is weak and they don't, in general, seem to have a very good knack for evaluating it anyway, at least not anymore.
Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
RE: RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
I saw similar attributes and questioned NYG's love for him. But, where they picked him, how highly he was graded, and all the talk from NYG since then has been about his future at LT. I'm rooting for him to succeed, they can find a RT more easily next Winter.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
Good thing he is a tackle and not playing guard. In this system, it's the front 3 that are vital. If there is a silver lining it's that our front 3 seem to be better than our tackle situation. So that's a big plus.
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
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At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Let's just hope he has enough left physically to hold down the fort until Beatty is ready to return. I really have little faith in Newhouse as a starter.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Well, Fisher sucks, but Joeckel is a good example. There ya go. It all depends on how the coaching staff sees Flowers.
At this point, he's a better gamble than JPP contributing
2011. Of course this was before the injuries, but it's not really like an Aaron Curry, who was a never was. Long is simply trying to reclaim his career after a string of injuries.
With Flowers and Pugh on the left side, and Schwartz with Long on the right side, the Giants RB might actually be able to get positive yardage when they run the ball.
Worst case, the Giants sign him and he has nothing left- move to plan B. Best case, he's not a LT anymore, but a declining LT is still an above-average RT for a year.
Then, RT becomes the FA/draft priority next year and the OL rebuild is done.
Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
agree big rick. long to LT and Flowers back to RT.
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Oh yeah. I just got punked. For a second, I bought into the idea that the Long were in fact brothers. Art Stapleton added,
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I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
This is hilarious.
FWIW, Long played RT his first two years at Michigan.
all signs point to EF as the LT of the future, the question was only when and WB's pec answered that.
Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
I see what Raanan means about him being a mess before the ACLs,
Shoulder... Toe... Ankle... Foot... Back... Biceps... then the two knee blowouts. All after very nearly dying in a fire after his redshirt freshman year.
They could go either way with Long but moving Flowers back to RT doesn't "slow his development". It's whatever the best ft is given Long's current abilities.
RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought
he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
if Long is healthy he adds good competition for the RT spot
he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
I must have missed some affirmations that he was the LT of the future. I remember a lot of "he can play left, he can play right" statements by the personnel folks after the draft, which I took to be more non-committal than indicative. But perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention when reading the tea leaves.
I'm not saying that he's a RT or a LT. I won't have a strong feeling until I see him playing some NFL snaps. If the Giants think that he's the LT of the future, then sure it's probably best to get him climbing that learning curve now. But if they viewed him as the next Kareem McKenzie and LT was just the best option they had currently then it would make sense to move him to RT if a suitable replacement is found at LT (like a healthy Long - if that's possible).
you don't need him to hold up for a full season as Beatty will be back mid way through the year. You hope he can give you some respectable games while Flowers acclimates and buys you some time until Beatty gets back.
I've said this many times, you can scheme around 1 bad OL, specifically a tackle by chipping with the TE and RB, but you cannot scheme around 2 bad OL.
Get this done Jerry.
I do not believe Erick Flowers is on this roster at that draft slot
They have spoken repeatedly that they believe he's a LT in waiting. That's the position potential that sold them on drafting him. If Beatty had been healthy, Beatty was just keeping the seat warm for Flowers regardless.
Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.
Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.
Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
Conditioning faster than strength. I would think his injury shouldn't prevent him from working on it. Also should be able to work on leg strength.
Obviously, it's going to affect his play but don't think the year is a total loss. He's going to lose strength but he's an athlete and has probably been working out since HS with limited breaks. These guys have a tendency to lose strength not as fast as the average person.
The fact that his game has been more technique than power might be a help even if he plays RT. Pugh was competent at RT.
and Mosely is still on scholarship. Newhouse was cheap and
At first glance, you'd expect Long to be worth more than J.D. Walton, right? Walton hadn't played in two years, wasn't that good in Denver when he did play, and still wound up pocketing about $3MM for one season of lousy work at center.
The tricky part is that Walton was conceded a starting job, and got starter money. That turned out to be a mistake, but it did influence his valuation. If Long is just coming in to compete for a position, his contract might be more in the Robert Ayers neighborhood.
He visited the Bills today and said he isn't going to make a decision yet because he is scheduled to meet a few more teams. I am just hoping that Mosley stays healthy and wins the RT spot either way because that would be a huge boost from a player who many had left for dead last year.
a certain starter with some decent money. We are probably presenting okay money and a "chance" to win the RT job. And a chance factors into how much we pay.
Long I am sure is doing the circuit to see who he can get the best deal from, as anyone would.
if he misses a couple days of camp so what, he's a veteran and can pick it up. Meet with all the teams, get your price as high as you can (missing a couple days of camp may be appealing to him), and then sign.
Also gives the Giants a couple days to realize how bad Newhouse is and further drive up his price.
for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)
Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at. Cap Space - ( New Window )
for Long for two reasons:
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)
Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at. Cap Space - ( New Window )
Of course with the JPP money the Giants suddenly have the most cap space out of the 3 as they would jump to over $19 million.
I am told the Giants still have interest in free-agent tackle Jake Long, who visited with the Falcons yesterday.
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Worst case scenario he is the starting RT immediately.
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
The Giants have spent the past few years re-working the skill positions around Eli and they finally have those pieces in place for him to have a huge year in this offense. But it will all go to hell if no one in front of him can block.
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
If your LT of the future is Flowers, you may as well put him in from day 1.
Another of the 'plug him in for 10 years' players who cant stay healthy - unfortunate
I would think if they hired him, it would be for RT.
I agree. Tackle position is a question mark - I'm high on Flowers, but expecting a young guy (allegedly with technique issues?) to step in immediately and succeed is a lot to ask for. I think the interior will be good, which is important given the three-step drop focus in this offense. Can see a tough September/October before getting a lot better in November/December.r
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
Jake Long update: I'm told FA OL is already in the building this morning for his 2nd visit with the Giants. #NYG
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
Yes, unless he's two places at once. In which case, sign him. He's at the Giants facilities.
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If he's healthy and can still play at the level of a starter, then do it. Downside would be wtf did they see to give the swing tackle contract to Newhouse.
Didn't he already leave without signing? I thought I saw that..Perhaps I misread
Cool, Stapleton confirms it. From the first posts of this thread it wasn't entirely clear, but I hadn't been paying close attention either. grin
If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building.
Makes too much sense to sign
If he can pass a physical this makes too much sense.
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corpse of Jake Long over Marshall Newhouse ...
I have personally been able to witness and watch both the careers of Newhouse and Schwartz and to say they are equally both un-impressive ... we are at an all time low as far as "talent" goes up front with the exception of Pugh ... hoping Richburg and Flowers prove to be what they think they can be ...
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Stunningly he got hurt.
From what I've heard, still concerns. Then again I was told he was a mess physically 3 years ago before 2 torn ACLs Jordan Raanan added,
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@JordanRaanan Hows his health situation ?
Hahaha, that's pretty fking harsh.
If Jake Long checks out medically - clearly a big if, but still - Giants should not let him leave the building. Makes too much sense to sign
From what I've heard, still concerns. Then again I was told he was a mess physically 3 years ago before 2 torn ACLs
Probably the same thing they saw in Charles Brown.
OL depth around the league is weak and they don't, in general, seem to have a very good knack for evaluating it anyway, at least not anymore.
You're not worried about the RT?
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.
Bingo
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
I saw similar attributes and questioned NYG's love for him. But, where they picked him, how highly he was graded, and all the talk from NYG since then has been about his future at LT. I'm rooting for him to succeed, they can find a RT more easily next Winter.
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
Good thing he is a tackle and not playing guard. In this system, it's the front 3 that are vital. If there is a silver lining it's that our front 3 seem to be better than our tackle situation. So that's a big plus.
Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.
That'd certainly be pretty ideal
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
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At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon
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Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
Can't be much more than the vet min (I say above the vet min. just in case they get in a bidding skirmish with Atlanta)
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Well, Fisher sucks, but Joeckel is a good example. There ya go. It all depends on how the coaching staff sees Flowers.
He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.
He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.
This I believe as well re LT and RT
Worst case, the Giants sign him and he has nothing left- move to plan B. Best case, he's not a LT anymore, but a declining LT is still an above-average RT for a year.
Then, RT becomes the FA/draft priority next year and the OL rebuild is done.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
agree big rick. long to LT and Flowers back to RT.
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I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
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I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
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Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
This is hilarious.
Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.
If so let me know and I'll clear my afternoon schedule.
Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
He should fit right in!
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Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
Jake Long isn't likely to change that, we'd be fortunate if he wins the RT gig over Newhouse.
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
I must have missed some affirmations that he was the LT of the future. I remember a lot of "he can play left, he can play right" statements by the personnel folks after the draft, which I took to be more non-committal than indicative. But perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention when reading the tea leaves.
I'm not saying that he's a RT or a LT. I won't have a strong feeling until I see him playing some NFL snaps. If the Giants think that he's the LT of the future, then sure it's probably best to get him climbing that learning curve now. But if they viewed him as the next Kareem McKenzie and LT was just the best option they had currently then it would make sense to move him to RT if a suitable replacement is found at LT (like a healthy Long - if that's possible).
I've said this many times, you can scheme around 1 bad OL, specifically a tackle by chipping with the TE and RB, but you cannot scheme around 2 bad OL.
Get this done Jerry.
They have spoken repeatedly that they believe he's a LT in waiting. That's the position potential that sold them on drafting him. If Beatty had been healthy, Beatty was just keeping the seat warm for Flowers regardless.
Get some depth by signing Jake and Mathis
Is there anyone out there on the bubble defense wise to add some depth?
Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.
I agree. With our bad health luck, we can use the insurance. What are we going to do if Pugh or Flowers get injured?
He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.
Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
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Someone please answer if they can. Even getting healthy in Oct will Beatty be able to contribute this year? To me torn peck=no weights. How long until his strength returns? Plus if flowers isn't just absolutely sucking ass at LT can Beatty play rt?
He won't be in condition to play, and most people seem to think strength and power wasn't exactly his strong point anyway. It's an injury that throws his year off course.
Unfortunately, I think RT would be a worse position for him. Traditionally, RT is a pure power position. You put your biggest, strongest mauler at RT to be an anchor in the run-game. That was never Beatty's brand of football.
I agree, I don't see Beatty as an effective RT.
He was injured and couldn't pass a physical.
Jake Long is coming back from injury rehab and could not pass a physical previously.
You're assuming its because no team has tried to sign him. Could be he's not signing until he checks out all possibilities
He still remains in play for the Giants but wants to explore all options before making a decision. In no rush
That's paraphrased from RV.
Obviously, it's going to affect his play but don't think the year is a total loss. He's going to lose strength but he's an athlete and has probably been working out since HS with limited breaks. These guys have a tendency to lose strength not as fast as the average person.
The fact that his game has been more technique than power might be a help even if he plays RT. Pugh was competent at RT.
The tricky part is that Walton was conceded a starting job, and got starter money. That turned out to be a mistake, but it did influence his valuation. If Long is just coming in to compete for a position, his contract might be more in the Robert Ayers neighborhood.
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 12m12 minutes ago
The door remains open for the Giants to sign Long, I'm told, but he is planning to consider his options and not rush to pick a team.
That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.
That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.
Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.
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That's a much better situation for a guy with not much time left than here.
Except he may be interested in playing. Probably a better chance of that here.
Clady tore his ACL back in May.
They have an opening for a starter, assuming he shows above replacement level.
Then I've got some good news for him...
Jake Long Visits Giants Again; Coughlin Comments on JPP - ( New Window )
Long I am sure is doing the circuit to see who he can get the best deal from, as anyone would.
Also gives the Giants a couple days to realize how bad Newhouse is and further drive up his price.
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)
Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at.
Cap Space - ( New Window )
a) They are a win now team
b) They have more cap space than the giants (+2 million)
Falcons have the most cap space though with $16 million, so they can price everyone out if they want him. I don't think this counts the Giants out they unless someone throws crazy money at a guy you don't want to throw crazy money at. Cap Space - ( New Window )
Of course with the JPP money the Giants suddenly have the most cap space out of the 3 as they would jump to over $19 million.
@JordanRaanan Hows his health situation ?