The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
I saw similar attributes and questioned NYG's love for him. But, where they picked him, how highly he was graded, and all the talk from NYG since then has been about his future at LT. I'm rooting for him to succeed, they can find a RT more easily next Winter.
root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
Good thing he is a tackle and not playing guard. In this system, it's the front 3 that are vital. If there is a silver lining it's that our front 3 seem to be better than our tackle situation. So that's a big plus.
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Jordan Raanan
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon
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Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Let's just hope he has enough left physically to hold down the fort until Beatty is ready to return. I really have little faith in Newhouse as a starter.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hoping he checks out physically and we sign him on the spot
The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Well, Fisher sucks, but Joeckel is a good example. There ya go. It all depends on how the coaching staff sees Flowers.
At this point, he's a better gamble than JPP contributing
2011. Of course this was before the injuries, but it's not really like an Aaron Curry, who was a never was. Long is simply trying to reclaim his career after a string of injuries.
With Flowers and Pugh on the left side, and Schwartz with Long on the right side, the Giants RB might actually be able to get positive yardage when they run the ball.
Worst case, the Giants sign him and he has nothing left- move to plan B. Best case, he's not a LT anymore, but a declining LT is still an above-average RT for a year.
Then, RT becomes the FA/draft priority next year and the OL rebuild is done.
Week 1 if he is signed. Don't think he has ever played RT & I'd much rather have a vet in at LT then a rookie.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
agree big rick. long to LT and Flowers back to RT.
Art Stapleton retweeted Mike Garafolo
Oh yeah. I just got punked. For a second, I bought into the idea that the Long were in fact brothers. Art Stapleton added,
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@art_stapleton @JOEL9ONE Too bad the rest of it is fake
I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
This is hilarious.
FWIW, Long played RT his first two years at Michigan.
all signs point to EF as the LT of the future, the question was only when and WB's pec answered that.
Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
I see what Raanan means about him being a mess before the ACLs,
Shoulder... Toe... Ankle... Foot... Back... Biceps... then the two knee blowouts. All after very nearly dying in a fire after his redshirt freshman year.
They could go either way with Long but moving Flowers back to RT doesn't "slow his development". It's whatever the best ft is given Long's current abilities.
RE: RE: Well, the reason to move Flowers to RT is if they thought
he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
I was wrong on this initially and have come around. I thought the early indications by scouts and the giants were that Flowers was a RT long term. That has been hashed out already. They obviously viewed him as the LT for long term future and Beatty's injury just moved that time table up. If Long is deemed healthy enough to play, it will only be a question of whether or not he can outplay Newhouse for RT during the summer.
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.
Bingo
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
I saw similar attributes and questioned NYG's love for him. But, where they picked him, how highly he was graded, and all the talk from NYG since then has been about his future at LT. I'm rooting for him to succeed, they can find a RT more easily next Winter.
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root like hell for him to succeed and set the position for a decade, he's by far the most talented OL we've got.
Watching him at the U, he looked more like a RT to me. I have questions about his foot speed so I don't know how he'll handle the speed rushers. I do think he has the strength to handle the power rushers though on the right side.
Good thing he is a tackle and not playing guard. In this system, it's the front 3 that are vital. If there is a silver lining it's that our front 3 seem to be better than our tackle situation. So that's a big plus.
Long passes the physical and is a veteran swing tackle.
That'd certainly be pretty ideal
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
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Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
Update on Jake Long/#Giants. Believed to have checked out medically, per source. Will run through O-line drills soon
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago
Jordan Raanan retweeted John Schmitt
At this point if Jake Long left the building without a deal, I'd be surprised.
Can't be much more than the vet min (I say above the vet min. just in case they get in a bidding skirmish with Atlanta)
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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The only true weakness that I see on our offense is the lack of a starting LT and while Long MAY NOT be that due to his injuries, it's still possible that he CAN be that. That's a risk worth taking.
You're not worried about the RT?
Well, that's why we drafted Ereck Flowers, no? Whatever side they put him on, I hope he stabilizes that position. He seems to be more of a RT to me though, at least early on.
I assumed that when they took a T top ten, they'd put him at LT. Never watched much of him.
Yeah, but there are instances of guys taken in the top ten that stick at RT. Look at Lane Johnson. Of course we don't have an All-Pro like Jason Peters to force a top 10 pick to the right side, but still.
Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher both started their first seasons at RT also due to the presence of Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert.
Well, Fisher sucks, but Joeckel is a good example. There ya go. It all depends on how the coaching staff sees Flowers.
He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.
He never played RT because he had the talent to play Left. a diminished LT can be a fine RT.
This I believe as well re LT and RT
Worst case, the Giants sign him and he has nothing left- move to plan B. Best case, he's not a LT anymore, but a declining LT is still an above-average RT for a year.
Then, RT becomes the FA/draft priority next year and the OL rebuild is done.
PFF had him in there top 100 overall players in 2013.
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99. Jake Long, OT, St. Louis Rams (Unranked) We were collectively among those who questioned the Rams investment in Long. Two years battling injuries and form meant it was reasonable to wonder if Long was ever going to be the player he once was. Well theres no shame in being wrong as before his season was cut short three snaps into Week 16, Long was back to his best and then some, posting just two negative grades and the seventh-highest grade of all left tackles. Best Performance: Week 8, SEA @ STL, +5.9 Key Stat: Finished the year with the second-highest run-blocking grade of all left tackles at +14.8.
agree big rick. long to LT and Flowers back to RT.
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I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
Art Stapleton retweeted Mike Garafolo
Oh yeah. I just got punked. For a second, I bought into the idea that the Long were in fact brothers. Art Stapleton added,
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
@art_stapleton @JOEL9ONE Too bad the rest of it is fake
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@JOEL9ONE
I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
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Chris LongVerified account
@JOEL9ONE
I can confirm that my bro Jake indeed visited NY today. When we were kids the #Gmen were his team on Madden, could see him in the big apple!
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 37s37 seconds ago
Yes, Chris Long and Jake Long are not brothers.
Jake is visiting with Giants as I type this. He may or may not have played as NYG on Madden.
This is hilarious.
Gives NYG additional option at OT. Insurance if Flowers struggles on the left side. Would mean Pugh could stay at LG.
If so let me know and I'll clear my afternoon schedule.
Now, it's up to EF to stick, of course but they're trying to establish the best OL and avoid musical chairs. That's been the whole point of setting the left side of the OL and set up competition for RT.
He should fit right in!
+2
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.
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he was best suited there in the long term anyway and only put him at LT out of necessity.
Wrong, he's a LT long term, that's been said repeatedly by too many in this organization for you to make this mistake.