First, a longtime lurker who finally got the courage to join the fray!
I have read a lot of discussion about our tackle position and I wanted to throw in my two cents.
The Giants should stick with their plan of having Flowers start off at RT. In my view, it is far likelier that he will be more adept at pass protection at RT his rookie year than LT. Further, it allows Beatty to return to LT when he comes back later this year. Putting Flowers at LT to start risks having two major issues at tackle rather then likely one. The vacant LT position, hopefully Jake Long, with a little TE help should be able to hold down the fort adequately enough until Beatty comes back.
Besides it would always be easier to insert Flowers at LT over the course of the year if need be rather than pull him from LT if say Beatty returns, or he is not up to the challenge.
I say stick with the plan...thoughts?
3) Flowers was drafted to be the future LT. Well, the future is now.
4) If they do get Long in here, let him make the move to RT. I'd rather have an experienced Long deal with Schwartz/Jerry at RG than Flowers.
What is this view based on?
There is perhaps no better LT on the roster.
What is this view based on?
Because RT is a much less demanding position pass protection wise?
What is this view based on?
The quality of De's on the two sides and the fact that at least Eli can see that side.
But here is my question: Then Will Beatty is finished as a Giant?
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"it is far likelier that he will be more adept at pass protection at RT his rookie year than LT"
What is this view based on?
Because RT is a much less demanding position pass protection wise?
I don't think that is necessarily true. At least, not as true as it used to be.
Pressure comes from all sides and just about every team moves their best pass rushers around throughout the game.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/29/examining-pressure-are-left-tackles-overvalued/ - ( New Window )
3) Flowers was drafted to be the future LT. Well, the future is now.
4) If they do get Long in here, let him make the move to RT. I'd rather have an experienced Long deal with Schwartz/Jerry at RG than Flowers.
True, but as of now they will be RT, with the LT an unpolished rookie.
I just see RT as safer for Flowers to begin with, as the Giants clearly planned, and then do the best we can to hold the fort till Will returns.
I do see the points you are making here though. They are def valid.
Putting him at RT actually involves a change of position. Most handle switching sides okay to well, but some do not.
I'd rather run with the reverse.
I'd rather run with the reverse.
Yes, but at least in late October you can hopefully plug Beatty back in. At this point, newhouse or mosely or whatever will be the RT all year!
Actually I see further down in the article the dispute that.
I agree with you...EF is the best LT out of active players. But if your gonna put WB back in then you cant pull EF from LT and then just plug him into RT can you?
Thats the crux of my point. Hold serve to October. Otherwise RT is destined to suck this year outside of a suprise from a Mosely type. To me the best line the Giants can field this year is WB at LT and EF at RT since WB cant play any other position.
If EF is playing well at LT, leave him there. Make it incumbent upon WB to prove he has utility moving forward, even if it's at RT for 1/2 the season. There's no real "clean" way through this ...
If EF is playing well at LT, leave him there. Make it incumbent upon WB to prove he has utility moving forward, even if it's at RT for 1/2 the season. There's no real "clean" way through this ...
Agreed I would be shocked if the Giants put Beatty back at LT if Flowers is playing well. They made it clear that they view Flowers as the LT of the future and I can't see them moving him if he is playing well at LT because he is only going to get better with experience. I think Beatty would be more likely to move to RT in that scenario.
If a team has a veteran OT that gets cut as a cap casualty though i can see it happening. I dont even see a Jake Long signing changing that because of his injury history. The last thing you want is EF starting at RT then Long getting reinjured say week 3 and then you are forced to move EF over to LT in week 3. Wherever you put EF you have to be fairly confident that you can keep him there consistently for the year.
The Beatty injury sealed it and you just gotta throw him into the fire and let him earn his high draft status. You want the best option to protect your QB blindside and right now he is it.
There is perhaps no better LT on the roster.
Disagree! If Flowers stumbles in camp, the obvious move would be to move Pugh to LT. That is where he played in college and I believe his skillset is better suited to the left-side. You then have Flowers at ROT leaving Moseley and Herman to battle it out for LOG. Personnally, I think Herman would beat Moseley out. JMHO.
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leaves a gaping hole at LT, the most important position on the OL.
There is perhaps no better LT on the roster.
Disagree! If Flowers stumbles in camp, the obvious move would be to move Pugh to LT. That is where he played in college and I believe his skillset is better suited to the left-side. You then have Flowers at ROT leaving Moseley and Herman to battle it out for LOG. Personnally, I think Herman would beat Moseley out. JMHO.
First off it would be Jerry versus Mosley. What has Herman shown in 3 years that would make you think he has any chance of winning a roster spot let alone the starting LG position. Personally I think Hart has a significantly better shot of winning a starting spot than Herman.
He's going to make mistakes, we all know that. Patience is going to be in short supply I fear especially after last season's debacle.
I haven't seen enough of Newhouse to make a proper evaluation on technique - something I enjoy - but I can say Beatty is the one guy we didn't want to see go so early.
But maybe it's a blessing in disguise giving the kid a chance to shine. Sports can be weird like that sometimes.
This is on the job training year for the line. Same goes for the D-line & linebackers. If they pass the test, the Giants could be ready to seriously compete in 2016 because it'll be possible to fill their remaining holes after this season.
If Flowers is the long term option, I'd put him in. In fact, in this specific system, it's better to start him now and see how he does. If this was the previous system under Gilbride I would be more skeptical and could agree with you.
However, our system has changed and this benefits us, and makes it easier on the OTs. So I would be fine with Flowers as a LT if TC and staff think he has earned the job.
Pugh may be a much better fit at RT or LG than LT but I just don't see anyone on the team except Flowers who would be better there.