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Tom Coughlin Comments on JPP and other issues with Vrentas

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 4:18 pm
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VRENTAS: So you haven’t been able to speak to Pierre-Paul?

COUGHLIN: No. No. I want to help. I want to be there for him. But he’s decided that he doesn’t want our help. He thinks that something will come of it. But, all I care about, all any of us care about, the whole organization, is the well-being of the kid. Something traumatic has taken place here, and we have all kinds of experts here in this city that are at our disposal. Putting those things together is very easy.

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count me as another guy who will be shocked if JPP ever plays  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2015 4:59 pm : link
for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.
What's more, is how doesn't JPP realize the advice he is getting  
Matt M. : 7/29/2015 4:59 pm : link
from his agent seems, quite obviously, like it only has the agent's pockets in mind. This is a money grab for an agent who is very likely not going to get another shot at a nice payday from JPP.
That's a great interview...kudos to JV  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 5:01 pm : link
This stood out to me among many and made me smile.

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I look in the mirror sometimes and think, “Who the hell is that old guy? Oh, it’s you.”


I want one more shot at the big game for Tom ...and Eli. He's a HOF coach and arguably the greatest in NY Giants history. If my son played in the NFL I'd want TC to be his coach.

I love that man  
BlueHurricane : 7/29/2015 5:02 pm : link
Really and truly love him for all he is, all he stands for and all he has done. Hopefully he can go out on his terms whenever that is because he he sure as hell deserves it.
RE: count me as another guy who will be shocked if JPP ever plays  
BrettNYG10 : 7/29/2015 5:04 pm : link
In comment 12392181 Greg from LI said:
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for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.


He called Jim Cordle and Sinorice Moss 'outstanding'. He isn't one for public criticism.
FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/29/2015 5:13 pm : link
BBI update...
Jake Long Visits Giants Again; Coughlin Comments on JPP - ( New Window )
I can't stand how many people wanna run this guy out of town  
GMenLTS : 7/29/2015 5:26 pm : link
We should consider ourselves lucky to find a coach half as good as him when he decides to leave
RE: Bah..  
HomerJones45 : 7/29/2015 5:30 pm : link
In comment 12392103 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it's just negotiation.



- HomerJones
Did you see this part? "He thinks that something will come of it."

The kid has been told to keep his mouth shut, stay off Twitter and Facebook and keep the team in the dark to create a risk to any decision the team might want to make. The Giants are making an all-out media offensive to get information - they've sent the owner out to push the kid away from what his agent is telling him to do, the coach-father to say how much they want to help, next will be the DC waxing eloquent about how he'd love to have the kid in the classroom.

It's a harsh world gentlemen and there is a lot of dough at stake. Don't let sentimentality get in the way of appraising this situation. As I suspected Fatman, you are a rank sentimentalist.
RE: count me as another guy who will be shocked if JPP ever plays  
micky : 7/29/2015 5:36 pm : link
In comment 12392181 Greg from LI said:
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for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.


Between tc and Mara yesterday, I don't recall the giants being quite frank about things like this. Just a shame if ..which seems likely..is going via his agents advice on through. IMO, its really disrespectful of him.
I suspect, if Plax isn't Plax, Phillips makes the tackle on Celek  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 5:36 pm : link
and the record setting injuries are held to a reasonable league-wide level, TC has another SB to add to his resume..

I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda, but that's my take
What an awesome article  
FranknWeezer : 7/29/2015 5:48 pm : link
Hanlon must have really like Vrentas while she was on the NYG beat to give her such access to TC.
RE: I suspect, if Plax isn't Plax, Phillips makes the tackle on Celek  
jingle_jangle : 7/29/2015 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12392249 Big Blue '56 said:
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and the record setting injuries are held to a reasonable league-wide level, TC has another SB to add to his resume..

I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda, but that's my take


2008...dropped hixon td against Philly was a crucial negative turning point.
2008  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 6:09 pm : link
Plax nearly shooting his junk off was the critical turning point.
Ms Vrentas  
Joey in VA : 7/29/2015 6:11 pm : link
Doesn't get the credit she deserves for her interviews. She doesn't do them as often of course working for MMQB now but I always like her stuff.
I'm not a rank..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2015 6:25 pm : link
sentamentalist - but there is a right way and a wrong way of going about negotiations.

JPP picked one of the absolute worst ways to go about it.

If he was looking to maximize his value while hiding the extent of his injuries, he has to realize he's in the 21st century of immediate information, not the Dark Ages.

By refusing medical and guidance help from the team, he kind of revealed the extent of his injuries unless:
a) the Giants are stupid
b) he really wasn't injured and just wants out

a) has been proven to be false over the years and b) is indicative of a guy I wouldn't want to have around healthy or not.

This isn't about negotiations - it is about getting horrific advice from agents and blindly running with it.

People might say "it's just business", but that only clouds the fact that it is about the shittiest effort put forth by a player negotiating in the history of sports.
"Hiding" his hand from the Giants,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/29/2015 6:30 pm : link
made zero sense..Did he really think that upon examining it that they wouldn't see what they EXPECTED to see? Did he/his Agents, think that by hiding it, the Giants would be somehow fooled?

I think  
ron mexico : 7/29/2015 6:40 pm : link
he was afraid if the Giants saw the hand in the aftermath of the accident they would pull the tender

He thinks if he signs the tender and reports they will put him on the shelf for the year and not pay him

And the only card he has left to play is deny access to information, hope for miraculous healing to the point that he can pass a physical some point in the year and earn some game checks

That was a great article!  
AnishPatel : 7/29/2015 6:43 pm : link
Good stuff!
I've never seen a Coughlin interview  
mattlawson : 7/29/2015 6:49 pm : link
Go that long or in depth. Very nice work
Best interview I've read in years  
rdt288 : 7/29/2015 7:04 pm : link
Anyone else think he would be a good president?
I disagree with Coughlin calling JPP a kid.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/29/2015 7:05 pm : link
I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?
RE: I disagree with Coughlin calling JPP a kid.  
Joey in VA : 7/29/2015 7:12 pm : link
In comment 12392376 Mr. Bungle said:
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I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?
We're all kids to TC, it's the dad in him.
Outstanding interview by Vrentas.My favorite part is TC/s response  
BlueLou : 7/29/2015 7:15 pm : link
about Beckham.

"Here's the thing about Odell:

1) He will listen.
2) He wants what everyone else wants (a ring.)
3) He wants to do it right. (ie willing to work at it.)
4) He wants to be a great player.
5) He's very smart.
6) He loves to play.
7) He loves to do things as well as they can be done.
8) He really enjoys working with Eli.
9) He'll do whatever you ask. He'll block... run reverses
10) He'll give me a shot (about something TC said...)"

In sum TC said: "Now this is a different kind of rookie."

And that's the thing about OBJ according to TC...
at this point, they (the Giants)  
SHO'NUFF : 7/29/2015 7:18 pm : link
are making it so even the casual Giants fan can't get upset when they decide to cut JPP loose.
RE: at this point, they (the Giants)  
BlueLou : 7/29/2015 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12392408 SHO'NUFF said:
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are making it so even the casual Giants fan can't get upset when they decide to cut JPP loose.


I get what you mean, but what you wrote is almost the exact opposite of what you mean, I gather.
RE: I disagree with Coughlin calling JPP a kid.  
ron mexico : 7/29/2015 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12392376 Mr. Bungle said:
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I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?


I think the obvious answer is old enough to not blow you own hand off
ron mexico  
BlueLou : 7/29/2015 7:30 pm : link
bringing the lols.
Disgraceful that  
Lithium : 7/29/2015 7:40 pm : link
fucking moron did not answer his head coach, who only cares about the well being of his player. Cut ties with the cunt!
If I were Tom Coughlin discussing JPP  
Blackbeard : 7/29/2015 7:46 pm : link
and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.
That was a great interview  
ChathamMark : 7/29/2015 8:13 pm : link
kudos to Jenny.
RE: If I were Tom Coughlin discussing JPP  
BlueLou : 7/29/2015 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12392490 Blackbeard said:
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and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.


Really? Is that what you would do to your child after he or she had blown up a hand so badly in an accident that she/he needed a finger amputated and skin grafts?

Think about that a bit.
I really liked this line  
Enoch : 7/29/2015 9:16 pm : link
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I’ve spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to get people to concentrate better.


It's a neat insight on what Coughlin sees as the Head Coach's role, and how he approaches it.
RE: I really liked this line  
rdt288 : 7/29/2015 9:33 pm : link
I also found this kinda fascinating



In comment 12392712 Enoch said:
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I’ve spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to get people to concentrate better.



It's a neat insight on what Coughlin sees as the Head Coach's role, and how he approaches it.
I'm done with JPP...  
Zepp : 7/29/2015 9:47 pm : link
Sorry man everyone says the Giants are a class organization and for JPP to snub them like that is just a tremendous insult. Me personally if my finger is involved I don't maybe I listen to what they have to say and maybe save my finger. But to not even talk to the people who have taken care of you so far is just a slap in the face.
Jenny Vrentas  
CT Charlie : 7/29/2015 10:30 pm : link
Early (honorary) leader for the Hope Johnson Award! Seriously, that will be the gold standard for TC interviews, and I doubt there'll be any competition before TC is well into retirement. I don't think he's ever been so candid and expansive, and huge credit goes to Jenny V.
As good an interview of TC as I've ever seen or read.  
RDJR : 7/29/2015 10:34 pm : link
If that was the media TC we always got it would make this fan real pleased.
RE: RE: If I were Tom Coughlin discussing JPP  
Blackbeard : 7/29/2015 11:12 pm : link
In comment 12392587 BlueLou said:
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In comment 12392490 Blackbeard said:


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and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.



Really? Is that what you would do to your child after he or she had blown up a hand so badly in an accident that she/he needed a finger amputated and skin grafts?

Think about that a bit.


A 26 year old child with a potential $60 M contract and a $15 M Tag Offer who plays with explosives?
Give me a break!!!!
We are very lucky ...  
Hem Roid : 7/29/2015 11:44 pm : link
To have this man as our HC of our NYG's, where have the past 10+ seasons gone ... JPP is done here in NYC, he has and continues to disrespect the franchise ... Let him and his "handlers" figure out what to do from here on out ...
RE: RE: RE: If I were Tom Coughlin discussing JPP  
BlueLou : 7/30/2015 6:01 am : link
In comment 12393009 Blackbeard said:
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In comment 12392587 BlueLou said:


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In comment 12392490 Blackbeard said:


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and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.



Really? Is that what you would do to your child after he or she had blown up a hand so badly in an accident that she/he needed a finger amputated and skin grafts?

Think about that a bit.



A 26 year old child with a potential $60 M contract and a $15 M Tag Offer who plays with explosives?
Give me a break!!!!


A) That doesn't change anything regarding the blown up hand, and TC's vs your reaction to it.

B) Maybe (and I am pretty sure this is what JPP's agent is telling him) the $60 million didn't look very good compared to what JPP thought he could get on the open market, w/out the franchise tag slapped on him? Depends on what the guaranteed money offer was, really. And now that's gone, a pipe dream.
More like a pipebomb dream.  
Shepherdsam : 7/30/2015 6:18 am : link
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That is a great freaking interview.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 7/30/2015 7:53 am : link
TC really opened up fully, didn't hold anything back.
RE: That is a great freaking interview.  
BlueLou : 7/30/2015 8:00 am : link
In comment 12393185 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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TC really opened up fully, didn't hold anything back.


Yeah, he's simply an amazing man. Good luck to Mara replacing him, seriously. I wouldn't be in such a rush.
I cannot believe JPP is getting his medical care in a FL hospital...  
EricJ : 7/30/2015 8:33 am : link
he may as well be sitting in an Urgent Care location somewhere. FL does not have the world's best surgeons. They will keep him a live down there but I would not have trusted a FL surgeon to operate on his hand.

My mother lives down there. She had a serious medical issue and we pulled her out of the hospital there and transported her to NYC. Seems like JPP should have been at least looking for a specialist somewhere on earth other than FL.
RE: I cannot believe JPP is getting his medical care in a FL hospital...  
Victor in CT : 7/30/2015 9:07 am : link
In comment 12393224 EricJ said:
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he may as well be sitting in an Urgent Care location somewhere. FL does not have the world's best surgeons. They will keep him a live down there but I would not have trusted a FL surgeon to operate on his hand.

My mother lives down there. She had a serious medical issue and we pulled her out of the hospital there and transported her to NYC. Seems like JPP should have been at least looking for a specialist somewhere on earth other than FL.


Probably at the local walk in care
I have to say I love the guy too.  
nicky43 : 7/30/2015 10:03 am : link
And for the same reasons as many of us here. For who he is as a person, as a coach, as a patriot, as a man who knows he does not know it all and that even he has room to grow and continue to learn more. He works so hard at his craft to improve himself each and every day. Add to that, a man who can admit he can be wrong and is willing to change and adapt and you have one of the greatest coaches this league will ever see and surely a hall of famer!

I'm very much into history and specifically WWII history and I've read Churchill, Eisenhower, Bradley, and Patton and I like that Tom studies that stuff looking for messages for the team. Those guys were up against with life and death on the line and a fantastic place to find inspirations. I have to say though, as open and great as this interview was, 85% of what you learn about Tom in this interview is also in the very good books he's written.

God bless you Tom!
RE: As good an interview of TC as I've ever seen or read.  
nicky43 : 7/30/2015 10:23 am : link
In comment 12392914 RDJR said:
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If that was the media TC we always got it would make this fan real pleased.


You have to put things in context. This interview was obviously at a time when TC felt he had the time to do it. 99% of the time when the media interviews him it is immediately after a practice or a game when he has a million mental notes in his head that he probably can't wait to start working on. Plus, lets face it, the media are experts at making even most tame lion roar with their repeated questions and stupid questions that really don't matter.

She conducted the interview perfectly. One question about JPP and then moved on. As someone pointed out previously on BBI, just wait till after the first practice session when TC will be repeatedly bombarded with questions about JPP. He's going to say he knows nothing else but the JPP questions will continue to come until he has to put someone in their place.
I agree JPP hasn't handled this well at all  
djm : 7/30/2015 12:10 pm : link
but this whole thing has most definitely not reached the point of no return. MGMT and players fight and blow up all the time only to reconcile. If JPP can find his way back and play well for 12-14 games and the Giants want to pay him long term all will be forgiven and everyone will live happily ever after.

Some of you have short memories. Players and mgmt battle all the time. You know what fixes everything? Winning and the money that follows. No one will care if JPP plays well this season. And he might.
nothing said by the Giants  
fkap : 7/30/2015 12:52 pm : link
about JPP (or usually, in general) is unscripted.

I believe what they're saying, in this case, but they're saying it for a reason. It's to put heat on JPP, and to warm up the public to when they say so long.
Other than the classless Phil Simms cut,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/30/2015 12:56 pm : link
the Giants have been very fair and thoughtful with their players, agenda or no agenda imo
Giants have been very classy  
fkap : 7/30/2015 1:18 pm : link
they've also been very business like. They have class. they can also be straight up business.


JPP will end up being business. He's made huge dollars so far. He decided to not accept a long term contract. He decided to play with fireworks. and now he's being uncooperative with the team. They hold his rights, but he won't sign the tender.

Giants are making it clear JPP is the one in the wrong. They'll make it look classy, but they are setting the stage to say goodbye. At the same time, the door is always open for the two sides to come to an agreement.
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