Tom Coughlin Comments on JPP and other issues with Vrentas

but I did read where JPP still hasn't returned a text from Coughlin...this is mind boggling to me from a simple respect/courtesy issue.

it's just negotiation.



- HomerJones

I'm hearing from both Coughlin here and Mara in the NY Post piece is placing a lot of blame on JPPs reps, particularly his agent

In comment 12392092 okiegiant said:

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but I did read where JPP still hasn't returned a text from Coughlin...this is mind boggling to me from a simple respect/courtesy issue.

He obviously can't textor dial left handed. :-)

Very interesting article. The Giants are very fortunate to have Tom Coughlin as their coach.

VRENTAS: Where were when you got the call about Jason Pierre-Paul?

COUGHLIN: It was Sunday afternoon, the fifth. That afternoon. I think (GM) Jerry (Reese) was the first one to text me. I texted Jason right away. I just said, “How can I help you?” But I didn’t hear anything back, so. And really there has been very little information even to this point in time. Everybody in this building is concerned with him and his welfare. Even to the point where this fiasco, when Ronnie (Barnes) goes down there and Jessie (Armstead) goes down there, and he won’t see them—these are the people he has depended on all the time he has been there. I don’t know what he thought he was going to accomplish by not allowing them to be there to assist, to help, whatever needed to be done. For Ronnie Barnes to add his medical expertise at that point in time … I don’t do anything without calling Barnes. I don’t. If there’s anything, you call him, and he will take care of everything. He’s phenomenal. I thought that was a really poor move by them. By his people. I don’t know what they think they are hiding. It only makes us, me personally, think the worst. I think (defensive line coach) Robert Nunn has talked to him a couple times on the phone. He tries to assure people that he is fine or going to be fine, but I don’t know any more than that.

on the list of giants issues.a picture of tom should be in the dictionary when you want to get the meaning of a HC

I've never seen him open up as much. What a good interview and what a great guy.

TC stealing my lines.

But after reading TCs quotes, I believe even more strongly that you will not see JPP in a Giants uniform again.

He bit hand that was trying to feed him. And lost a finger.

He blew it. Off.

Great interview.

the worse it looks for him. And it looks even worse for his agent and other handlers. I am willing to give him a little bit of a benefit of the doubt that this is simply him taking bad advice. But, damn, at this point he hasn't realized it is bad advice?

Can't wait to hear TC's corny slogan this year - probably FDR-related.

In comment 12392171 bceagle05 said:

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Can't wait to hear TC's corny slogan this year - probably FDR-related.

No, it will be Bob Dole related :-)

for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.

from his agent seems, quite obviously, like it only has the agent's pockets in mind. This is a money grab for an agent who is very likely not going to get another shot at a nice payday from JPP.

This stood out to me among many and made me smile.

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I look in the mirror sometimes and think, “Who the hell is that old guy? Oh, it’s you.”

I want one more shot at the big game for Tom ...and Eli. He's a HOF coach and arguably the greatest in NY Giants history. If my son played in the NFL I'd want TC to be his coach.

Really and truly love him for all he is, all he stands for and all he has done. Hopefully he can go out on his terms whenever that is because he he sure as hell deserves it.

In comment 12392181 Greg from LI said:

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for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.

He called Jim Cordle and Sinorice Moss 'outstanding'. He isn't one for public criticism.

BBI update...
Jake Long Visits Giants Again; Coughlin Comments on JPP - ( New Window )

We should consider ourselves lucky to find a coach half as good as him when he decides to leave

In comment 12392103 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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it's just negotiation. - HomerJones

Did you see this part? "He thinks that something will come of it."

The kid has been told to keep his mouth shut, stay off Twitter and Facebook and keep the team in the dark to create a risk to any decision the team might want to make. The Giants are making an all-out media offensive to get information - they've sent the owner out to push the kid away from what his agent is telling him to do, the coach-father to say how much they want to help, next will be the DC waxing eloquent about how he'd love to have the kid in the classroom.

It's a harsh world gentlemen and there is a lot of dough at stake. Don't let sentimentality get in the way of appraising this situation. As I suspected Fatman, you are a rank sentimentalist.

In comment 12392181 Greg from LI said:

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for the Giants again. You don't usually see Coughlin call out a player directly like that.

Between tc and Mara yesterday, I don't recall the giants being quite frank about things like this. Just a shame if ..which seems likely..is going via his agents advice on through. IMO, its really disrespectful of him.

and the record setting injuries are held to a reasonable league-wide level, TC has another SB to add to his resume..

I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda, but that's my take

Hanlon must have really like Vrentas while she was on the NYG beat to give her such access to TC.

In comment 12392249 Big Blue '56 said:

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and the record setting injuries are held to a reasonable league-wide level, TC has another SB to add to his resume.. I know, woulda, shoulda, coulda, but that's my take

2008...dropped hixon td against Philly was a crucial negative turning point.

Plax nearly shooting his junk off was the critical turning point.

Doesn't get the credit she deserves for her interviews. She doesn't do them as often of course working for MMQB now but I always like her stuff.

sentamentalist - but there is a right way and a wrong way of going about negotiations.

JPP picked one of the absolute worst ways to go about it.

If he was looking to maximize his value while hiding the extent of his injuries, he has to realize he's in the 21st century of immediate information, not the Dark Ages.

By refusing medical and guidance help from the team, he kind of revealed the extent of his injuries unless:
a) the Giants are stupid
b) he really wasn't injured and just wants out

a) has been proven to be false over the years and b) is indicative of a guy I wouldn't want to have around healthy or not.

This isn't about negotiations - it is about getting horrific advice from agents and blindly running with it.

People might say "it's just business", but that only clouds the fact that it is about the shittiest effort put forth by a player negotiating in the history of sports.

made zero sense..Did he really think that upon examining it that they wouldn't see what they EXPECTED to see? Did he/his Agents, think that by hiding it, the Giants would be somehow fooled?

he was afraid if the Giants saw the hand in the aftermath of the accident they would pull the tender

He thinks if he signs the tender and reports they will put him on the shelf for the year and not pay him

And the only card he has left to play is deny access to information, hope for miraculous healing to the point that he can pass a physical some point in the year and earn some game checks

Good stuff!

Go that long or in depth. Very nice work

Anyone else think he would be a good president?

I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?

In comment 12392376 Mr. Bungle said:

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I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?

We're all kids to TC, it's the dad in him.

about Beckham.

"Here's the thing about Odell:

1) He will listen.
2) He wants what everyone else wants (a ring.)
3) He wants to do it right. (ie willing to work at it.)
4) He wants to be a great player.
5) He's very smart.
6) He loves to play.
7) He loves to do things as well as they can be done.
8) He really enjoys working with Eli.
9) He'll do whatever you ask. He'll block... run reverses
10) He'll give me a shot (about something TC said...)"

In sum TC said: "Now this is a different kind of rookie."

And that's the thing about OBJ according to TC...

are making it so even the casual Giants fan can't get upset when they decide to cut JPP loose.

In comment 12392408 SHO'NUFF said:

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are making it so even the casual Giants fan can't get upset when they decide to cut JPP loose.

I get what you mean, but what you wrote is almost the exact opposite of what you mean, I gather.

In comment 12392376 Mr. Bungle said:

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I'm not sure how old a male needs to get these days to be considered a man. Maybe 30, I guess?

I think the obvious answer is old enough to not blow you own hand off

bringing the lols.

fucking moron did not answer his head coach, who only cares about the well being of his player. Cut ties with the cunt!

and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.

kudos to Jenny.

In comment 12392490 Blackbeard said:

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and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out.

Really? Is that what you would do to your child after he or she had blown up a hand so badly in an accident that she/he needed a finger amputated and skin grafts?

Think about that a bit.

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I’ve spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to get people to concentrate better.

It's a neat insight on what Coughlin sees as the Head Coach's role, and how he approaches it.

I also found this kinda fascinating



In comment 12392712 Enoch said:

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Quote: I’ve spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to get people to concentrate better. It's a neat insight on what Coughlin sees as the Head Coach's role, and how he approaches it.

Sorry man everyone says the Giants are a class organization and for JPP to snub them like that is just a tremendous insult. Me personally if my finger is involved I don't maybe I listen to what they have to say and maybe save my finger. But to not even talk to the people who have taken care of you so far is just a slap in the face.

Early (honorary) leader for the Hope Johnson Award! Seriously, that will be the gold standard for TC interviews, and I doubt there'll be any competition before TC is well into retirement. I don't think he's ever been so candid and expansive, and huge credit goes to Jenny V.

If that was the media TC we always got it would make this fan real pleased.

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In comment 12392490 Blackbeard said: Quote: and committed to the truth, I'm afraid that I would state that I would like to smack him alongside of his head, kick him in the ass and tell him to get real or get the hell out. Really? Is that what you would do to your child after he or she had blown up a hand so badly in an accident that she/he needed a finger amputated and skin grafts? Think about that a bit.

A 26 year old child with a potential $60 M contract and a $15 M Tag Offer who plays with explosives?
Give me a break!!!!