NFT: Padres v Mets Wed 7/29 @ 7:10:

would look good in that 2 spot

Joel Sherman:
A second source confirmed #Tigers open for biz on all walk-yr players: Price, Cespedes, Avila, Soria, Rajai Davis. Changes the market

Price is biggest piece. Could hurt #Phillies attempt to get Hamels done. #Yankees #Dodgers #Astros #Bluejays #Cubs #Sfgiants are Price mkt

#Mets get associated with Cespedes but wonder if Rajai Davis more realistic get from #Tigers
Davis plays all 3 OF spots, can start for Grandy v. tough LH, adds speed element off bench #Mets lack.

Anthony DiComo retweeted Matthew Everett
A legitimate question re: win now philosophy. My suspicion is because you're going to see Verrett as a spot starter. Anthony DiComo added,

Matthew Everett @Matthew_Everett
@AnthonyDiComo Then why is A. Torres still on the roster and not Verrett?
*****************************
Anthony DiComo
Terry Collins has made it very clear: this isn't about who's the best option in 2016, etc. It's about who can help win the most games NOW.

Nats v Mets on Fri 7/31 will be on MLBN @ 7:10 (Gio Gonzalez vs Matt Harvey}

Nats v Mets on Sun 8/2 will be on ESPN @ 8:00 (Jordan Zimmermann vs Noah Syndergaard}

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Anthony DiComo retweeted Matthew Everett A legitimate question re: win now philosophy. My suspicion is because you're going to see Verrett as a spot starter. Anthony DiComo added, Matthew Everett @Matthew_Everett @AnthonyDiComo Then why is A. Torres still on the roster and not Verrett? ***************************** Anthony DiComo Terry Collins has made it very clear: this isn't about who's the best option in 2016, etc. It's about who can help win the most games NOW.

With that said, please ask that very same question a second time...

Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Source says there has been "much" recent talk between the Mets and Brewers.

Only two possibilities here. Gomez or Parra. Ill take either and be pretty damn happy.

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Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets Source says there has been "much" recent talk between the Mets and Brewers. Only two possibilities here. Gomez or Parra. Ill take either and be pretty damn happy.

If its Gomez, I wonder if they can get them to accept Lagares in the trade. His extension looks like a disaster right now.

to Lagares.

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In comment 12392256 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets Source says there has been "much" recent talk between the Mets and Brewers. Only two possibilities here. Gomez or Parra. Ill take either and be pretty damn happy. If its Gomez, I wonder if they can get them to accept Lagares in the trade. His extension looks like a disaster right now.

Ive long hoped that in a Gomez trade Lagares would be going the other way. If the deal is for Parra Im cool keeping Lagares because he's ok against lefties and we would need his defense late in games. I also still think Lagares/Nimmo could work out in 2016 in a platoon. But yeah, if Gomez is our new CF for the next 14 months or so ship Lagares out.

we get the good Colon tonight and keep the win streak going

Mike Puma ‏@NYPost_Mets 2 hours ago
Was told the Mets aren't in on Cespedes at this point.

Ron and others feel that like Harvey, he is much better on a normal 5 days rest. He was really good his last outing. Lets hope this continues a little longer.

He's gutting it out with one arm. He's trying to stay available to help the team. He probably should have been shut down already.

PADRES

Will Venable, CF

Yangervis Solarte, 3B

Matt Kemp, RF

Justin Upton, LF

Yonder Alonso, 1B

Jedd Gyorko, 2B

Alexi Amarista, SS

Austin Hedges, C

Tyson Ross, P

His numbers are radically better on six days rest.

...but for their careers they are better hitters than anyone in our lineup save possibly Granderson.

is he has been completely lost for two months. Like "Duda lost" before he just hit the three homeruns. Not sure you give up prospects for a 2 month rental that also couldn't hit a beach ball with a whiffle bat right now.

Kemp isn't even a remote possibility.

Mike Puma ✔

@NYPost_Mets

Was told I can rule out the Mets getting Cespedes; Talks with Brewers don't appear focused on Gomez.

for Fulmer and lets go to war.

I think this might be a really good chance to "buy low" on him and then try to lock him up. I am pretty confident he's going to bust out of his funk.

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I think this might be a really good chance to "buy low" on him and then try to lock him up. I am pretty confident he's going to bust out of his funk.

Yeah I had a similar sentiment earlier. I do it for sure but not for huge prospects. Somebody like Montero maybe.

He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.

On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.

Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.

Current struggles aside that isn't a realistic offer.

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick
A MLB exec on Gerardo Parra: "I wonder if the Brewers over-played their hand on him. I just expected him to be gone by now.''

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick
#Mets leverage with Parra and Will Venable enhanced by other deals. #Royals and #Angels no longer have openings for LH OF bats.

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Current struggles aside that isn't a realistic offer.

OK maestro. lol. This from a guy that just admitted he knows next to nothing about our farm system.

Everyone knows my stance on needing to make one more move and I'd rather do absolutely nothing than trade something for him.

bad for almost two whole months. Parra very likely is a bigger addition to this team for this year. Both are rentals.

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Everyone knows my stance on needing to make one more move and I'd rather do absolutely nothing than trade something for him.

Well the bigger piece in that is simply that Kirk is likely better if he's hitting again. Venable isn't terrible but Krik had a wRC+ of 130 last year and plays a stellar CF.

Noah Syndergaard has the lowest ERA after 7 games at 1.46 in Mets history

That's your MO and probably a side effect of your meds.

Valuations on position prospects is tricky when they are in the early development stages. It doesn't surprise me you consider yourself an expert. I await your hiring as a MLB executive with baited breath. You let us know when to forward the congratulatory note.

I forgot to add

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Noah Syndergaard has the lowest ERA after 7 games at 1.46 in Mets history

He should be in the conversation for NL ROY esp if the Mets make it to the postseason

Adam RubinVerified account
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#Mets still working on a deal that apparently would really please fans if it materialized.

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That's your MO and probably a side effect of your meds. Valuations on position prospects is tricky when they are in the early development stages. It doesn't surprise me you consider yourself an expert. I await your hiring as a MLB executive with baited breath. You let us know when to forward the congratulatory note.

Who the fuck are you even talking about? Upton? Parra? What an embarrassment you have become to yourself and everyone here. Completely pathetic. Im glad Ive had such an effect on you though.. Thats clearly rewarding in its own right.

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Adam RubinVerified account ‏@AdamRubinESPN #Mets still working on a deal that apparently would really please fans if it materialized.

Thats exciting. Sounds like MORE than Parra then. Could it be Gomez?

..to find a single credible source that shares the opinion that Rafael Montero for a Justin Upton rental would get the deal done.

The problem is it's so stupid and unrealistic only you could come up with it.

I don't know why.

That tweet doesn't make me feel like it's Parra. Maybe the Brewers saw how they potentially overplayed their hand on Parra and are going to lower the ask on Gomez

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..to find a single credible source that shares the opinion that Rafael Montero for a Justin Upton rental would get the deal done. The problem is it's so stupid and unrealistic only you could come up with it.

We were talking about a fucking "buy low" you moron. Anything MORE than Montero level prospects is no longer a "buy low" but once again your reading comprehension is on par with a third grader.

Parra is a solid get but not on the level of those two.

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I don't know why. That tweet doesn't make me feel like it's Parra. Maybe the Brewers saw how they potentially overplayed their hand on Parra and are going to lower the ask on Gomez

Really think Upton is the guy thats going to get us all excited though? Id like him in the mix and hope for the best but he's been TERRIBLE. I know I wouldn't be throwing a party thats for sure.

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I don't know why. That tweet doesn't make me feel like it's Parra. Maybe the Brewers saw how they potentially overplayed their hand on Parra and are going to lower the ask on Gomez

I think Upton is definitely in play for us. Sandy has wanted him going back to AZ days. For his career he's the best pure hitter available, though the possible oblique injury is concerning. Just not sure where we'd play him.

Ive long said Sandy LOVES him, but is that the BIG move that gets the fan base excited?? I don't know. Maybe if they sign him to an extension or something. He's been so bad for 2 months now I wouldn't be over the moon if we got him. Id probably be at least as excited if we got Parra if not more.

I think Met fans would be pretty excited if Justin Upton was heading to Queens. Realistically, I would think he, Bruce and Gomez are the 3 guys who would really "excite" fans. People would be happy about Parra but it'd be a notch below.

I don't know if Cespedes is in play or not but I think the reports that we're out on him are probably pretty legit. Doesn't seem like a fit.

There could be a dark horse player out there though.. it could be none of those guys. I really don't know.

I am just really happy that Sandy is clearly trying to make something happen here and feel confident we are getting one more bat.

Z you're probably the only Met fan alive that wouldn't get excited over a Justin Upton deal. You're embarrassing yourself.

Will cost us Zack Wheeler

Justin Upton wRC+ 113 and marred in a historically laughable cold streak.

Gerardo Parra wRC+ 140 and currently raging hot.

Torrag just mentions Montero as an overpay for Para but its laughable when referring to a "buy low" he could be included for a package for Upton.

Seems consistent.

He's not available dee[ into nmext season with hsi rehab. Harvey, DeGrom and Thor have all passed him imo. Matz is ready. Fulmer should both be in contention for a rotation spot next year.

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I think Met fans would be pretty excited if Justin Upton was heading to Queens. Realistically, I would think he, Bruce and Gomez are the 3 guys who would really "excite" fans. People would be happy about Parra but it'd be a notch below. I don't know if Cespedes is in play or not but I think the reports that we're out on him are probably pretty legit. Doesn't seem like a fit. There could be a dark horse player out there though.. it could be none of those guys. I really don't know. I am just really happy that Sandy is clearly trying to make something happen here and feel confident we are getting one more bat.

Id agree with you if Upton was hitting. I have to put him a notch below Gomez, Tulo, Cespedes types currently however until he busts out. Id probably have him and Parra about even(again considering the brutal slump) Like I said. A great buy low, and Id love to add him to the mix, but not sure Id be doing cartwheels as bad as he's been.

Your digging your own grave. What little credibility you had is evaporating.

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Z you're probably the only Met fan alive that wouldn't get excited over a Justin Upton deal. You're embarrassing yourself.

Oh Im glad after using the word embarrassment when describing your behavior lately you thought outside of the box and said I was embarrassing myself. LOL

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Your digging your own grave. What little credibility you had is evaporating.

Im sure. Haha.

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He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career. On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF. Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.

I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.

I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.

On to the game. Not going to spend my night resorting to the likes of this fool.

at a time when we are looking for production.

He obviously won't impact this season and next season it's very debateable he will be able to contribute much more given the likely rust from TJS and 1 year off.

Compared to someone like Fulmer he should have more trade value externally, but for our own internal valuation purposes he's going to start getting expensive way before Fulmer does and he's also already shown as good as his stuff may be he isn't on the level of the true big 3 whereas Fulmer could just be developing later like Matz. I wouldn't deal him for a rental but for Puig or Gomez, absolutely.

Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops.

My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.

Andy Martino
@MartinoNYDN

Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat

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In comment 12392301 Torrag said: Quote: He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career. On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF. Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship. I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more. I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.

Totally reasonable but your talking about two players with completely different circumstances. Upton has been HORRIBLE for two months and you might be able to get him for LESS. Parra is having a career year and would easily be the best hitter on our team so you are likely paying MORE. Add it all up and the package for either is probably comparable.

regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.

It would depend on the deal as a whole. I agree straight up it doesn't work for us. It could be widened to make sense.

Andy Martino
Told they're not on Cespedes

Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat

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Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops. My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.

Sure but even a lesser version of Parra still is likely comparable to Upton for the rest of the season even if Upton bounces back. I honestly think they are pretty comparable as far as what they would add to the lineup and thats only because Parra has been THAT good. If your talking about which player will be better over the next few years, I would easily take Upton but we are only talking about 2 months here.

2 months of a struggling Upton would be an absolute joke.

That has a nice ring to it. Hope it's not just a tease. Pull out the stops Sandy. we know since it's a 'big bat' it isn't Parra. Gomez? Upton? Puig?

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Andy Martino Told they're not on Cespedes Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat

Pretty exciting. Lets do it.

Bruce for Wheeler. I don't like that at all

they are close to a big trade or bat depending who you read

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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.

Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.

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Bruce for Wheeler. I don't like that at all

I think that might be it too and Im sort of on the fence with that deal.

Wheeler for Bruce, even controlled for 2016, isn't ideal. I think Dan will dig it though. He's very high on Bruce. I would put Bruce a notch below the 'big bat' category but opinions vary.

We would have Bruce this year, next year and in 2017 as well. Wheeler is unlikely to even be "right" until opening day 2017.

It gets done in time for the new bat to play Friday night against the Nats. That's a huge series.

Told #Mets not in on Parra, but they are working on a deal. I�d say Bruce a possibility.

This could be one of those BP outings where he gives up 6-7 runs.

Dont dig us in a hole in the first damn inning.

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It gets done in time for the new bat to play Friday night against the Nats. That's a huge series.

well the deadline is Friday afternoon so Id say you might be correct! ;)

That changes things. Wheeler 2016 could very well be a non factor for us. The extra year sold me on it.

Oh well

Verrett a day too early!

Jon Heyman retweeted
Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig 9m9 minutes ago
Told Mets are indeed very close to pulling off a big trade. No sense of who it is, but chance it�s a big bat.

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That changes things. Wheeler 2016 could very well be a non factor for us. The extra year sold me on it.

He has a team option for 13M which would be a no brainer to pick up. He's 28 years old so odds are he will remain highly productive through the life of this contract. It would be really good value. Gotta make that trade if it's on the table. We are unlikely to even get much of anything from Wheeler next year.

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Lennon Rflairr : 7:14 pm : link : reply Told #Mets not in on Parra

Plays into my desire to see the Brewers frozen out of the market for being greedy. Carries the added benefit, if true, of denying Z the opportunity to crow about Parra for the rest of the season.

and Upton is playing not Parra, who?

bouncing back to limit the damage, Colon

He may not be an elite bat but at those prices he doesn't have to be to be a very solid acquisition. Funny he's the perfect guy for the Wilpons lol.

wants to crow about Parra? He's been a great player this year and actually plays a position of need. MANY of us wanted him. Id be happy with a number of players however.

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Told #Mets not in on Parra, but they are working on a deal. I�d say Bruce a possibility.

Yeah, not sure Parra would qualify as a "big bat". It has to be someone like Upton or Bruce. Still very exciting! **

**barring the cost of one of our beloved prospects.

Cecchini 1-2

Smith 3-4

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In comment 12392373 Eric on Li said: Quote: regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical. Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.

What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.

I'd be happy if we got Parra for the right price.

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 1m1 minute ago
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.

Sort of a Granderson with worst defense but he is younger also. He'd help. Id prefer Gomez, Cespedes or somebody even bigger after all this talk however. I guess we'll see.

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I'll leave that out there, let you go through the rest of lists of names they've been linked to. A name that surprises all of us possible

:)

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:)

or Gomez

But with the Dodgers need for immediate pitching help I don't see a connection that works unless it gets really intricate.

In comment 12392417 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 12392389 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12392373 Eric on Li said: Quote: regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical. Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months. What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.

Eric. First go back and check Parra's BABIP every year. Seriously. He consistently has a BABIP of 30-50 points higher than his average. He is just one of those players. Second. This is a leadoff hitter that is going to be at the top of the lineup so his power numbers aren't that vital IMO. He's also just 28 and might be a late bloomer. He has been consistently good for 4 months now. This is more than a hot streak.

Again if Upton was even remotely hitting I would agree with you. Ive long wanted Upton. As of today however? I think Parra helps us more as a 2 month rental.

the Tulo bullet. The Mets would have overpaid for him

Would Gomez really surprise everyone? There's certainly been talk about him.

He plays CF and he's cheaper. On the down side he's only controlled for 2016 vs 2017 for Bruce(thx arc).

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Would Gomez really surprise everyone? There's certainly been talk about him.

No. Braun might be a surprise though and they were talking to Milwaukee today.

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But with the Dodgers need for immediate pitching help I don't see a connection that works unless it gets really intricate.

A deal with Niese and prospects (in the pool of: nimmo, fulmer, montero, wheeler)? I think Puig is a name that hasn't been mentioned much and would be a "big bat".

has been ruled out Parra Gomez Upton Bruce

Giancarlo Stanton available again? :) One can only wish

Is that in the ballpark? Or wishful thinking?

Dave Gershman ‏@Dave_Gershman 5m5 minutes ago
SOURCE: #Mets close to acquiring OF Yoenis Cespedes from Tigers

Dave Gershman ‏@Dave_Gershman 3m3 minutes ago
Talks "very fluid." #Mets pushing Jon Niese and other prospects, players not named Wheeler, says source.

;)

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Dave Gershman ‏@Dave_Gershman 5m5 minutes ago SOURCE: #Mets close to acquiring OF Yoenis Cespedes from Tigers Dave Gershman ‏@Dave_Gershman 3m3 minutes ago Talks "very fluid." #Mets pushing Jon Niese and other prospects, players not named Wheeler, says source.

Holy shit. Ill flip out!

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Giancarlo Stanton available again? :) One can only wish

Can I tack on my own wish to that?

It just didn't seem likely. He would def be a surprise coming out of left field late in the game.

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biggest bat available this entire deadline. Bigger than Tulo, Gomez or anyone. That right handed bat in the middle of the lineup would transform this team.

jesus, this is the craziest 72 hours I can ever remember with this team - and that's including Tony Bernazard's boxing academy and Steve Phillips internship summit.

I swear most of these beats just make shit up to have something 'out there'.

the most "likely" Sandy target as we'd have him next year. Man would I love Cespedes though.

But if we did land him, we sure as hell better be serious about signing him long-term.

Wasn't Phillips banging interns by the bushel as Mets GM?

Going to take back what I said earlier: The talks with Milwaukee have included Gomez's name. The Mets want him.

Mike Puma

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Baseball Writer, New Yorker, and Photographer. Formerly with ESPN's Sweetspot Network, Beyond the Box Score, and DNA Modeling

Funny thing ... last time I spoke to him he asked ... arcarsenal? lol

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But if we did land him, we sure as hell better be serious about signing him long-term.

Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? It would be nice don't get me wrong, but like Clippard and the rest of the deals its a move for this year first and foremost.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 16s16 seconds ago
#Mets have talked to #Brewers about Carlos Gomez, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. No deal appears close. NYM also looking at other hitters.

Adam Rubin retweeted
Tom ‏@Haudricourt 1m1 minute ago Bayside, WI
#Brewers know they have little chance of keeping Carlos Gomez after next year. Move now would maximize return.

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In comment 12392451 arcarsenal said: Quote: . Baseball Writer, New Yorker, and Photographer. Formerly with ESPN's Sweetspot Network, Beyond the Box Score, and DNA Modeling Funny thing ... last time I spoke to him he asked ... arcarsenal? lol

If this guy doesn't know who I am, I am done with him..

Seriously, though.. Gomez seems to fit the criteria. He has all the check marks. Good fit position-wise, not a rental, not mentioned as one of the players the Mets are "out" on...

Going down with the ship eh?

Jerking your chains. Bunch of guys say its close then other guys say nothing close. And back and forth. They know what they are doing

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In comment 12392456 arcarsenal said: Quote: But if we did land him, we sure as hell better be serious about signing him long-term. Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? It would be nice don't get me wrong, but like Clippard and the rest of the deals its a move for this year first and foremost.

Because Cespedes is going to cost more than Parra. Why wouldn't we push to keep him here if we acquire him?

Joel Sherman
Was told #Brewers like Flores and he is starting at SS tonite. He wouldn't be main piece, but Milw has always rated him well #Mets

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20s20 seconds ago
Was told #Brewers like Flores and he is starting at SS tonite. He wouldn't be main piece, but Milw has always rated him well #Mets

IMO he has always been the best possible target...Flores + Wheeler + Nimmo? Done deal from me.

That one tweet sounds totally bogus. Gomez seems like the most likely "fit"

Out if he is going to be this shitty. Dont care if he is a great clubhouse guy. Cant sacrifice games now

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That one tweet sounds totally bogus. Gomez seems like the most likely "fit"

Agreed Arc. That guy even said it could be a 3 team trade. Seems to conflict 10 other guys saying there's smoke with Mets/Gomez.

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In comment 12392460 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12392456 arcarsenal said: Quote: But if we did land him, we sure as hell better be serious about signing him long-term. Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? It would be nice don't get me wrong, but like Clippard and the rest of the deals its a move for this year first and foremost. Because Cespedes is going to cost more than Parra. Why wouldn't we push to keep him here if we acquire him?

Well Id want to sure but Im not going to cry if we can't. Its a huge power move for this year and Ill worry about the offseason in the offseason. Id only be upset if it was a killer prospect going back but a package of Niese? I wouldn't care to much.

Joel Sherman
Question I have is do #Mets value 1 1-2 yrs of Gomez enough to give up Wheeler, who I also heard #Brewers value highly

I like Flores bat and think he could be a very solid player but Herrerra, Rosario et al make him very expendable as a trade chip.

Love the jolly fellow but can't wait until he's in the old folks home.

In comment 12392468 Eric on Li said:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20s20 seconds ago Was told #Brewers like Flores and he is starting at SS tonite. He wouldn't be main piece, but Milw has always rated him well #Mets IMO he has always been the best possible target...Flores + Wheeler + Nimmo? Done deal from me.

I actually just mentioned Flores to Milwaukee in the other thread.

Adam Rubin retweeted
Dennis Lin ‏@dennistlin 1m1 minute ago
Justin Upton is jogging out to left field. Sources: my eyes

In comment 12392463 Torrag said:

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Going down with the ship eh?

Cespedes? Where the fuck do you see me comparing Parra to Cespedes??

you also said Gomez is a substandard hitter if he's not playing CF.

...this is hella fun.

That's off Ross, too.. Ross pretty much NEVER allows HR's

In comment 12392481 Eric on Li said:

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you also said Gomez is a substandard hitter if he's not playing CF.

Huh? As far as what? I don't think Gomez bat works in a corner. What does that have to do with anything?

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...this is hella fun.

This!!!
And I think I'm wearing out the Twitter part of my iPhone

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Z...Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra?

You may want to get a CAT scan you're memory is terrible.

said Gomez would be a huge upgrade in CF.

In comment 12392488 Torrag said:

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Quote: Z...Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? You may want to get a CAT scan you're memory is terrible.

Did you even read the context of that? I was referring to them all being free agents at years end and us having to re-sign them. Are you really this fucking stupid?? Really???

I don't have the energy to get on today's fight card.

Wheeler is the main piece for Gomez. Along with Nimmo. That's a big price

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Wow.. Duda might be back. arcarsenal : 7:44 pm : link : reply That's off Ross, too.. Ross pretty much NEVER allows HR's

If Duda really does come alive for real we'll be very strong.

In comment 12392494 Eric on Li said:

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I don't have the energy to get on today's fight card.

Really odd. Don't even know what your referring to or why you feel the need to come at me. Because I said I suggested Flores in a deal with Dan earlier?? You took offense to that? lol

In comment 12392496 Rflairr said:

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Wheeler is the main piece for Gomez. Along with Nimmo. That's a big price

And thats fine. With Gomez here Nimmo becomes expendable anyway. Wish we could send Lagares away as well.

Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 35s35 seconds ago
Multiple reports have #Mets in overdrive trying to land Carlos Gomez from #Brewers. (Post, Yahoo)

Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 46s46 seconds ago
Multiple reports have #Mets in overdrive trying to land Carlos Gomez from #Brewers. (Post, Yahoo)

Tim Brown ✔@TBrownYahoo
At this hour, Mets pushing very hard for Carlos Gomez, source says...
7:49 PM - 29 Jul 2015

The big player is absolutely Gomez. Pretty exciting with him in CF.

1.) Gomez
2.) Granderson
3.) Murphy/Wright/Uribe
4.) Duda
5.) TDA
6.) Conforto
7.) Murphy/Johnson
8.) Tejada

Too soon?

Go get a deal done.

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 2m2 minutes ago
Andy Martino retweeted Tim Brown
Also hearing Gomez is a name Mets have zeroed in on. Tim has strength of push. Andy Martino added,
Tim Brown @TBrownYahoo
At this hour, Mets pushing very hard for Carlos Gomez, source says...

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago
MY SPECULATION: Wonder if #Mets flip Lagares as part of Gomez package since Gomez will play CF. #Brewers get young version of Gomez.

need to pull Bart bring in C Gomez

and Upton hits a homerun. Figures!

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 43s44 seconds ago Manhattan, NY
mets are definitely talking to the brewers about carlos gomez, as others have reported

ly

Would be amazing if it's a non-Wheeler package of some combo of Lagares, Flores, Nimmo, Gsellman, Montero, etc. But I guess we shall see.

As Upton crushes one on Colon lol. He and Cespedes are absolutely the 2 best hitters who would most transform the lineup. I'd take the 2nd year of Gomez over paying for a rental though.

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Z...Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? It would be nice don't get me wrong, but like Clippard and the rest of the deals its a move for this year first and foremost.

The intelligent way to interpret that is you are suggesting the compensation for Cespedes, Upton and Parra would be comparable. That is fucking stupid as arc indictaed in his polite response...

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arc...Because Cespedes is going to cost more than Parra.

I believe the ACA co-pay on a CAT scan is $50 on the Silver plan.

I included all the relevant quotes because last time you couldn't follow the argument without having your hand held. Have a nice evening moron.

Let's get Torres or Gilmartin in there

THE FUCK OUT!

I wonder if he'd even make it onto the active roster in the playoffs. Definitely throwing Niese over him and I don't know that he has any value out of the pen.

In comment 12392517 Torrag said:

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Quote: Z...Why? Whats the difference between he, Upton, or Parra? It would be nice don't get me wrong, but like Clippard and the rest of the deals its a move for this year first and foremost. The intelligent way to interpret that is you are suggesting the compensation for Cespedes, Upton and Parra would be comparable. That is fucking stupid as arc indictaed in his polite response... Quote: arc...Because Cespedes is going to cost more than Parra. I believe the ACA co-pay on a CAT scan is $50 on the Silver plan. I included all the relevant quotes because last time you couldn't follow the argument without having your hand held. Have a nice evening moron.

LOL. So cherry pick out the parts to suit your agenda. I was clearly talking about free agent status ONLY. Suck a dick.

Gomez was always an ideal target.

Alex Simon ‏@alexsimon99 8m8 minutes ago
UPDATE: Gonez has gotten a phone call, and his facial expression has drastically changed. Still, no hugs.

In comment 12392521 arcarsenal said:

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Quote: Looks like Bad Bart is on the mound tonight. arcarsenal : 7:14 pm : link : reply This could be one of those BP outings where he gives up 6-7 runs.

You mean every other start, if we are lucky? This goose is cooked.

I'm glad he taught Thor how to have fun. Now please leave.

Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig 13s14 seconds ago
Source confirms @TBrownYahoo report: Mets target is the Brewers� Carlos Gomez. #BigBat

Cuddyer, Gomez, Uribe - believe we've all had dozens of arguments specifically zeroed in on guys he ultimately ended up pursuing. Even Chris Young last year.

There are times when a good manager knows instinctively when a game is at a crossroads. Unless it's so obvious you could drive a truck through it he never picks up on it.

They should have an extra guy ready to go in on all Colon starts at this point. Can't give away games throwing BP like this.

I wouldn't gas the pen tonight, we have a huge series coming up Friday-Sunday. Just win tomorrow, take the series and get ready for the biggest series we'll see at Citi to date.

...in anticipation of the Carlos Gomez trade announcement...!!!!

That really pisses me off. Huge game tonight. Cant afford him to just shit the bed. Oh great. Here comes mushroom man.

I have a feeling he could be out there for a while tonight.

ends when Matz is ready

I think they'll stick with the 6 man again because we have to save some innings for Syndergaard and Harvey.

Not if Niese is dealt for Gomez or someone else...just saying until the trades settle down nothing is set in stone.

Keep the other guys fresh.

In comment 12392539 arcarsenal said:

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Keep the other guys fresh.

Agreed. 3 innings each should do it. Maybe 1 to Gilmartin if necessary.

to wonder if even freaking Gee would give us more than Colon down the stretch and I can't stand Gee right now!

Snappy line. I might have to steal that one on occasion arc.

Colon's last start as a Met. Bring up Gee until Matz is back. Colon is one of the worst starters in MLB in 2015.

Everybody runs on him

though I'd want to have a long man ready to go in early on the days he doesn't have it, it's usually evident very quickly.

His body language, expressions and behavior the last time on the mound was unacceptable. I wanted to reach into my flatscreen and smack him.

You can do it!!

In comment 12392508 ZGiants98 said:

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1.) Gomez 2.) Granderson 3.) Murphy/Wright/Uribe 4.) Duda 5.) TDA 6.) Conforto 7.) Murphy/Johnson 8.) Tejada Too soon?

can also go:
grandy
murphy
Gomez
duda
tda
conforto
uribe/Johnson
Tejeda
p

if wright gets back you adjust

He was outstanding last time out but now he's getting absolutely crushed every 2-3 starts. I doubt Gee is going to be any better. I'd give Verrett a shot. We really need Matz back.

In comment 12392546 Eric on Li said:

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though I'd want to have a long man ready to go in early on the days he doesn't have it, it's usually evident very quickly.

i don't want Gee either but if Colon has another outing like I might change my tune. Colon is old as fuck and might finally be cooked.

Incarcerated Bob IBN �@incarceratedbob � 46s47 seconds ago
**MLB RUMORS**
Brewers looking for some type of combo of Lagares, Wheeler / Montero / Flores for Gomez and possibly Segura (heavy talks)

I don't think he tried the last time he pitched. For a pro that is taboo. He is getting paid to give his all whether he likes the circumstances or not.

He has talent and at worst would add some speed to the bench. Ride the hot hand with him and Tejada at SS until Cecchini is ready.

with a hesitation out of the box.

In comment 12392549 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 12392508 ZGiants98 said: Quote: 1.) Gomez 2.) Granderson 3.) Murphy/Wright/Uribe 4.) Duda 5.) TDA 6.) Conforto 7.) Murphy/Johnson 8.) Tejada Too soon? can also go: grandy murphy Gomez duda tda conforto uribe/Johnson Tejeda p if wright gets back you adjust

I don't like Gomez in the three hole. He's supposed to have speed and baserunning ability even though he has had NONE this year. I don't know whats up with him but Id hope its still in him and he just had some injury issues. .266 and 8 homeruns doesn't seem like a big threat at 3 but either way he greatly improves our lineup going from Lagares/Kirk to Gomez somewhere.

Could account for his running game.

In comment 12392553 CGiants07 said:

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Incarcerated Bob IBN �@incarceratedbob � 46s47 seconds ago **MLB RUMORS** Brewers looking for some type of combo of Lagares, Wheeler / Montero / Flores for Gomez and possibly Segura (heavy talks)

Lagares, Montero, and Flores and Im celebrating!

In comment 12392560 Torrag said:

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Could account for his running game.

thought it was a hip issue

Gomez and TDA added to this lineup by Friday has me pumped. All we need is Wright to come back and join the party end of August. Wouldn't that be something.

In comment 12392562 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 12392560 Torrag said: Quote: Could account for his running game. thought it was a hip issue

He did have a hip issue.

Though I'd lean towards keeping Granderson & Gomez as some combination of 1 & 2. Who hits where would depend on the matchup & health of whoever is hitting 3-4-5.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 10s10 seconds ago
Source: One combination that #Mets and #Brewers have discussed: Wheeler and Flores for Gomez. Again, no indication whether deal is close.

has been one of the worst starters in MLB this year. Gee isn't good, but he'll at least give us some innings and not get rocked 2/3 of his outings. He threw a CG his last outing in Vegas and has pitched good his last four starts after getting rocked in his first few outings.

The bottom line is that every game matters and we simply can't afford to put colon out there.

You could be right. I'd actually prefer quad so maybe it was wishful thinking. Anytime an athlete says hip I reflexively wince...I call it the Bo reaction.

5.9 ERA
1.66 WHIP
0-3 in 7 starts
5 HR in 40 innings

And he basically quit on the team. I'd call up Bowman & Verrett before pitching Gee again.

Adam Rubin retweeted Jerry Crasnick
OH NO Adam Rubin added,
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Sounds like Gomez to #Mets deal will be tough to consummate unless #Brewers drop their asking price.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
#Brewers exec told me conversations continue on Gomez, but nothing concrete. #Mets

...that doesn't have the best interests of the organization to heart. So if Gee does get a call up the powers that be better be 100% sure of his effort level because I'm not sure.

Because it went poorly let's not act as if Colon didn't just shut down a potent Dodgers lineup. His pitching badly is far from a foregone conclusion.

This won't be painless I'm sure.

clown can't find the strike zone with ZERO pressure in garbage time. Time for fucking diaper head to get lost!

likely that it's getting close because generally it's clear that there is instantly more urgency or pressure on the side of the team that's trying to go for it. My guess is they are haggling over the quality of whatever 2nd/3rd pieces are in it, and my other guess is that if the Brewers are serious they won't make the same mistake they did when they liked Meisner a few days ago. Every single writer getting the news at the same time clearly got #Metstwitter into a frenzy and I doubt that was a coincidence.

so much for the sweep.

a "top 4" pitcher is being asked for? And also the Mets now need the price to come down? Could Milwaukee be stupid enough to now be asking for Matz or Syndergaard?? UGH. This is annoying.

Jared Diamond ‏@jareddiamond 2m2 minutes ago
Mets pitching prospect Robert Gsellman was removed from his start tonight after throwing just 68 pitches.

guys. Let it unfold.

Agreed. I would now be surprised if a Gomez deal doesn't get completed.

Gomez isn't worth it.

In comment 12392583 Eric on Li said:

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guys. Let it unfold.

I am. Just what I was reading and apparently the Mets balked and now its held up it seems. Im sure its posturing and theres all sorts or Twitter BS going around. Who knows whats true or not.

Just a couple years ago Segura was a rising stud. Fast forward a couple years; he's been injury plagued and endured a terrible tragedy in his life and people seem like he's done. Could be a great comeback opportunity in a different city

with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

In comment 12392588 Torrag said:

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Gomez isn't worth it.

Yeah thats where Im at. Wheeler is the absolute most I would give up.

In comment 12392591 Metnut said:

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with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

It really shouldn't.

All sorts of stuff is going to come out. I think it'll get done. They'll try to squeeze more than Wheeler out of it and realize we're not budging on it and will start to worry it's the best they'll ever do for him and it'll get finalized. Just my guess..

Mike Vorkunov @Mike_Vorkunov
Indeed, Robert Gsellman done after 5 innings, 0 ER, 68 pitches tonight. First time he hasn't thrown at least 80 in a AA start this year.

I'd be fine
Metnut : 8:29 pm : link : reply
with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

So Lagares/Wheeler/Flores/Gselleman? That's a steep price but I can barely, barely swallow it.

Are we saying Fulmers name next season ?

I think Fulmer is def in contention for a roster spot next season.

and Logan Verrett or Montero inserted?

so it could still blow up. But I think this is a good match and as good of a deal as they can expect. Using the Tulo trade as a comp:

Reyes - Flores (similar fWAR, Flores younger & cheaper)
Hoffman - Wheeler (both TJS who are 1 year+ away)
Castro/3rd pitcher - IDK who they comps to right now, maybe Montero or Gselleman? Or maybe Lagares?

Bottomline is Tulo was an all star this year, the money per season was a wash, and people credited COL for a good return. The Mets aren't paying than that more for Gomez.

lol

come on Flores, not in Milwaukee yet.

Wheeler for just Gomez or Bruce.

you gotta make contact.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 13s13 seconds ago
Source: If Mets trade for Carlos Gomez does come to fruition, Juan Lagares expected to go to the Brewers. Name has been prominent in talks.

Factoring in the TJ and that 2016 is essentially a rehab year for Wheeler.

But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't.

Cespedes is a Met!
Link - ( New Window )

I'd still do it.

In comment 12392618 arcarsenal said:

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But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't.

exactly. We won't be seeing the best of Wheeler until 2018, or later. By then, Fulmer or someone will be ready for the big show.
I'm okay with trading him for a reliable bat in the lineup.

In comment 12392616 Eric on Li said:

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Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 13s13 seconds ago Source: If Mets trade for Carlos Gomez does come to fruition, Juan Lagares expected to go to the Brewers. Name has been prominent in talks.

Good. That make me happy.

I agree and I'm not sure on Matz yet. Hasn't been healthy enough and I just haven't seen enough yet to know.

In comment 12392624 spike said:

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In comment 12392618 arcarsenal said: Quote: But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't. exactly. We won't be seeing the best of Wheeler until 2018, or later. By then, Fulmer or someone will be ready for the big show. I'm okay with trading him for a reliable bat in the lineup.

2018?? Holy shit. He's coming back next June. He could be a huge piece during our playoff run next year. 2018??

will they cut bait on Mario Torres?

Spike that's a tad conservative. Wheeler should be back to form by the start of the 2017 season. Many previous TJ rehabs bear that out.

Will Wheeler oitch in MLB in 2016? yes. Is he likely to recapture his top form in 2016? No. harvey had an extra long TJ rehab and has had an uneven season and he is the superior pitcher. 2017 is a reasonable time frame to expect a full return to form by Wheeler.

That could potentially not play till may/June next year ?

Andy Martino
ahem. Gomez
e
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 19s20 seconds ago
Sources: Mets moving closer to deal for Carlos Gomes

My guess - Lagares, Wheeler, Flores, Gsellman

Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 20s21 seconds ago
Sources: Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores discussed in trade talks with #Brewers

tsk tsk

Mike Vorkunov ‏@Mike_Vorkunov 2m2 minutes ago
Bartolo Colon how has a 4.96 ERA. It's the 4th worst in the National League. He now has a 6.01 ERA in 14 starts since May 10. Not optimal.

In comment 12392638 Torrag said:

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tsk tsk

Did you post that one? I have like 3 screens refreshing every 30 seconds right now plus the game streaming lol

Gomez and K-Rod for Wheeler and Flores sound?

/grin

Mets got Gomez

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago
It is a done deal #Mets are getting Gomez

In comment 12392632 Torrag said:

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Will Wheeler oitch in MLB in 2016? yes. Is he likely to recapture his top form in 2016? No. harvey had an extra long TJ rehab and has had an uneven season and he is the superior pitcher. 2017 is a reasonable time frame to expect a full return to form by Wheeler.

And once again did I say he would be in top form in 2016. I said he could be a hue piece down the stretch next year. I never said TOP FORM. Are you ever going to give this shit up? Are you fucking serious? Your just going to question and make snide remarks with every post? My god, won't this end? Ill gladly return the favor and we can monopolize every Met board from now until the end of the season. Im sure all our fellow Mets posters will love it. Or we can just call a fucking truce end end this bullshit. How about that?

In comment 12392646 CGiants07 said:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago It is a done deal #Mets are getting Gomez

Oh shit.

trying to be objective that deal is very Mets friendly imo.

Let's see what we gave up

Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 16s17 seconds ago
Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores going to #Brewers for Carlos Gomez, according to Daily News.

He could help the bullpen

Well done now we need the details.

In comment 12392651 Eric on Li said:

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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 16s17 seconds ago Zack Wheeler and Wilmer Flores going to #Brewers for Carlos Gomez, according to Daily News.

OUCH. Really wanted to keep Wheeler. Oh Well

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 29s29 seconds ago
Per @Joelsherman1, #Mets getting Carlos Gomez for Wheeler and Flores. Pending review of medicals.

REALLY sad to see Wheeler go but you have to do this.

Or Gsellman?

.

...

If it's just Flores and Wheeler I'm pretty fucking happy.

No more having to listen to some people overrate flores as a hitter

Congrats to us all and Sphinx wasn't far off. We just didn't get K-Rod back...

Lagares made a lot more sense as a piece. If we get Gomez and keep Lagares have Lagares get Tommy John tomorrow.

i can deal with this trade. Seems fair, not crippling to the future.

of Fulmer it makes the pill a lot easier to swallow. I still think Wheeler is going to be a really good pitcher and we might regret this in a few years but this move helps us "now". Had to do it.

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No more having to listen to some people overrate flores as a hitter

Hey! You shut your mouth.

#teamflorescrying

be pulled from the game?

You have to think he's a 3b for them going forward

but that's certainly debateable. Feel bad for Wheeler, I hope he goes on to have a great career and bounces back strong from TJS. He was on his way to being a very good pitcher in his own right, just not in the class of the other guys around him here. His Met career kind of came full circle, got him for a deadline dump during the decline into the abyss and gave him up for one on the way out of it.

Lagares goes in for TJ. It would be stupid to wait.

Great job by Sandy. Cost controlled for 2016 and a big addition to the lineup for what is now a legit playoff push.

Reynolds just got back from injury, but would be great to add a reliable veteran defender.

In comment 12392676 Eric on Li said:

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but that's certainly debateable. Feel bad for Wheeler, I hope he goes on to have a great career and bounces back strong from TJS. He was on his way to being a very good pitcher in his own right, just not in the class of the other guys around him here. His Met career kind of came full circle, got him for a deadline dump during the decline into the abyss and gave him up for one on the way out of it.

Wheeler...he's the trade that started it all.

Farewell, my friend.

In comment 12392678 Torrag said:

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Lagares goes in for TJ. It would be stupid to wait. Great job by Sandy. Cost controlled for 2016 and a big addition to the lineup for what is now a legit playoff push.

Finally. ;)

Flores makes more sense imo.

In comment 12392678 Torrag said:

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Lagares goes in for TJ. It would be stupid to wait. Great job by Sandy. Cost controlled for 2016 and a big addition to the lineup for what is now a legit playoff push.

Yes, it does make sense. But you could also keep him in play as a back up this season until it's over.

Could go either way.

I was at Carlos Gomez' first MLB game at Shea. He hit a double down the RF line in his first AB. All the buzz was "this kid is even faster than Reyes!" that day.

Well, 7 years later.. and he's back. Cool stuff.

Take wilmer out?

In comment 12392672 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12392666 KWhite2250 said: Quote: No more having to listen to some people overrate flores as a hitter Hey! You shut your mouth. #teamflorescrying

He goes and plays 3b and concentrates on hitting and everyone is happy.

maybe they trade for Reyes too

:))

get him outta there...

Andy Martino
With Wheeler recovering from TJ, medicals could be complicated.

Gotta take him out, no?

that gives you plenty of time to evaluate him and see if you want to sign him longterm

He's just not made for SS.

have a future 3rd baseman to replace DW.

Farewell Flores. Bye Wheeler. We will miss you guys!

Losing both players as they were true mets who we all built our hope for the future on

But getting a former met back in return does take the sting away.

Kudos to the front office

Murphy

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Murphy

Murphy will be a FA this offseason.

fucked us tonight. Kind of puts a damper on a fun night. Looks like we'll be two out again after tonight.

Actually pretty fair for both sides. I'm disappointed in losing Wheeler but it is what it is. You have to give to get and the Mets are able to give from their strength. No issues. It's a big bat to get down the stretch and he's controlled for next season. No complaints from me.

Uribe, Johnson, Clippard, and Gomez?? Cant imagine anybody could have expected MORE than that in their wildest dreams. lol

...AND...wait for it... we finally took on salary!!!!! Go Wilponsis!!!

who are the regulars:

1B Duda
2B Herrera
SS Cecchini
3B Cuddyer??? Murphy ???? Uribe ????
C TDA
LF Conforto
CF: Gomez
RF: Granderson

Wait until we can get Granderson and Travis behind him

He might be getting white hot at the right time

Gomez stays healthy and gives us a year and half of "actual Gomez". This has been a down year and injury concerns have been mounting. Not trying to put a damper on things but it would be SO Mets if he can't stay healthy here.

Anyways. Big move. Power move. This lineup is MUCH improved as of today.

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Uribe, Johnson, Clippard, and Gomez?? Cant imagine anybody could have expected MORE than that in their wildest dreams. lol

need sometype of backup ss

BEST THING EVER! lol

where were you last montH?

In comment 12392739 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 12392730 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Uribe, Johnson, Clippard, and Gomez?? Cant imagine anybody could have expected MORE than that in their wildest dreams. lol need sometype of backup ss

Tejada has been fine and is now the 8th or 9th hitter. If you really want a backup glove call up Tovar.

DW is still in the teams plans I expect. The financial commitment is too deep too just wright him off.

In comment 12392744 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 12392739 CGiants07 said: Quote: In comment 12392730 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Uribe, Johnson, Clippard, and Gomez?? Cant imagine anybody could have expected MORE than that in their wildest dreams. lol need sometype of backup ss Tejada has been fine and is now the 8th or 9th hitter. If you really want a backup glove call up Tovar.

call someone up or uribe is backup ss?

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...AND...wait for it... we finally took on salary!!!!! Go Wilponsis!!!

BOOM. lol.

Satisfied ,

TD back this weekend

Matz Blevins in a month

wright hopefully soon

Let's go to war

outside and low. And this ump keeps striking out Conforto on it

Statistical anomaly?

They also tend to speed along games that are out of hand so they can close up shop. It isn't right but it is human nature.

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outside and low. And this ump keeps striking out Conforto on it

In all honesty, Conforto should have been prepared for that from getting punched out on that pitch the first time.

It's all good. He'll adjust. Welcome to the big leagues, rook.

This team constructed as is can absolutely make - and do some damage in - the playoffs....

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Statistical anomaly?

So are granderson's. It just means the offense isn't good enough yet to set the table.

with Hector Olivera

Michael Mayer ‏@themainemets 1m1 minute ago
Not speculating at all but Dilson Herrera is noticeably missing form the Las Vegas 51's roster.

Duda's wRC+ back to 126. Looks like he's back to being the best hitter in our lineup again.

4 for 5 HR shy of the cycle. 3RBI, up to .310 on the season

TDA 1 for 5

Gsellman 5IP 4H 0ER 1BB 3K's
Akeel Morris settling in after a rough AA intro: 1 IP 2K's


Dom Smith 3 for 4, up to .300

In comment 12392773 CGiants07 said:

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Michael Mayer ‏@themainemets 1m1 minute ago Not speculating at all but Dilson Herrera is noticeably missing form the Las Vegas 51's roster.

Hes listed as s player on the bench for the game today

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 25s26 seconds ago
Was told #Brewers asked for Dilson Herrera and #Mets refused since already were including Wheeler. Accepted Flores as 2d item

Is Dom Smith flashing improved power yet?

In comment 12392773 CGiants07 said:

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Michael Mayer ‏@themainemets 1m1 minute ago Not speculating at all but Dilson Herrera is noticeably missing form the Las Vegas 51's roster.

what site? He's listed on their official site

In comment 12392780 Rflairr said:

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In comment 12392773 CGiants07 said: Quote: Michael Mayer ‏@themainemets 1m1 minute ago Not speculating at all but Dilson Herrera is noticeably missing form the Las Vegas 51's roster. Hes listed as s player on the bench for the game today

He's being promoted back to Queens?

Kind of sad watching the standing ovation for Flores.

I really rooted hard for this kid. I'll be sad to see him go.

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Is Dom Smith flashing improved power yet?

not HR power, I only see the box scores I htink he has 4 HR's, not what anyone hoped for, but he's 20 year old, DMM would know.

In comment 12392786 spike said:

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In comment 12392780 Rflairr said: Quote: In comment 12392773 CGiants07 said: Quote: Michael Mayer ‏@themainemets 1m1 minute ago Not speculating at all but Dilson Herrera is noticeably missing form the Las Vegas 51's roster. Hes listed as s player on the bench for the game today He's being promoted back to Queens?

No. Just looks like hes sitting today

He was blocked from 2B and 3B. That's really where he should have been playing. I expect he'll do well once he has a position to settle into.

i feel bad for him

I love he got his shot, but honestly I'm relieved he's been traded.

I think he was given enough chances, his bat just isn't (or wasn't) good enough to stick him at SS and it was worse for a 2b.

I also think Collins wasn't exactly supportive and at that age/stage many young players need that to flourish. I wouldn't be at all surprised is his bat perks up with a change of scenery and a stable position.

he's young. The power is in there. He's going to be a decent player at some position at some point. This kid is going to hit 20 HR in his life. Im almost sure of it. Bitter sweet goodbye but he I don't think he was going to get a shot here with Cecchini and Herrera ready to take over the middle infield next year.

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He was blocked from 2B and 3B. That's really where he should have been playing. I expect he'll do well once he has a position to settle into.

Much like Carlos Gomez when he was traded, Wilmer probably needs a season or two.

Now i feel really bad.

I don't get it.

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I also think Collins wasn't exactly supportive and at that age/stage many young players need that to flourish. I wouldn't be at all surprised is his bat perks up with a change of scenery and a stable position.

I don't disagree, but it was also probably one of those situations where a change of scenery is best for both side. they couldn't keep running him out there. anywhere. IMO.

Fuck man

Even if the trade isn't complete yet you should take him out. The guy is upset and I don't think it's fair to keep him out there.

I can't believe they are letting him cry on the field.

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Why is he still in the game? moespree : 9:47 pm : link : reply Even if the trade isn't complete yet you should take him out. The guy is upset and I don't think it's fair to keep him out there.

Clueless Collins rides again. I really don't like him.

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There is a social emotional component to being a manager.... TC just doesn't get that at all. It's almost abusive to leave him out there. He was clearly I'm hysterics before the inning started. I just don't get it.

What does he need Sandy to call down to the field to clue him in?

team?

I don't know if this reaches a lot of fans and prob doesn't but let this be a good example of how we forget so often that despite all the glory and the stats these guys are human.

Mistakes an all Wilmer was a born Met and was looking forward to a post season run with his clubhouse brothers , now he's going to a completely new regime

The shit fans would say on this board about him was really disheartening, hopefully Wilmers last look as a met reaches some of the assholes on this board

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team?

No. I don't think so... Not at all

announced the trade after the game is over.

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announced the trade after the game is over.

That was probably the plan. But social media.......

It's stupid because first of all you have a guy on the bench who can replace him in this game, second of all it's not a close game, third you don't want him getting injured, and fourth it's pretty nasty to leave this poor guy hanging out there upset and crying. Jesus Terry, it's not that difficult. There is zero reason to leave him in the game.

Ding ding ding , winner

Some of you really can't just stop can you. Jesus Christ

as a 16 year old. 8 years and he's still just a kid. I hope he turns into a star. I really do.

While Flores is crying on the field. Don't worry Wilmer...I'm crying too.

I couldn't root harder for this kid.

Hamels to TExas just about done.

when Carlos Gomez was a Met?

I pictured you on the floor in the fetal position when I heard them announce the trade (grin)

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In comment 12392832 steve in ky said:

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I pictured you on the floor in the fetal position when I heard them announce the trade (grin)

Lol, I was. Now that he's gone, there's nothing left for us to fight over (not that we ever really fought)

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when Carlos Gomez was a Met?

Wright.. Reyes.. Beltran.. Delgado... Alou.. LoDuca...

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In comment 12392832 steve in ky said: Quote: I pictured you on the floor in the fetal position when I heard them announce the trade (grin) Lol, I was. Now that he's gone, there's nothing left for us to fight over (not that we ever really fought)

All in good fun

seen on a baseball field but it's also really touching. It's nice to know that there are players that really love their team and teammates. It's hard not to love this kid.

was traded for Santana with Humber, Mulvey and Guerra, Gomez was bad with the Twins and flipped from them somewhere else (I think) before winding up in MIL and establishing himself as one of the best in the game.

and currently has the 11th winning % in the AL. Why are they pursuing Hamels? Weird.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.�

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I can't believe they are letting him cry on the field.

I agree let him go into the Locker room and collect his thoughts.

Eric Simon ‏@AmazinAvenue 36s37 seconds ago
Yayyyyyyy!!!! RT @PSBLynn Travis d'Arnaud will travel to NYC tonight. #BMets headed to Virginia.

In comment 12392819 Rory said:

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I don't know if this reaches a lot of fans and prob doesn't but let this be a good example of how we forget so often that despite all the glory and the stats these guys are human. Mistakes an all Wilmer was a born Met and was looking forward to a post season run with his clubhouse brothers , now he's going to a completely new regime The shit fans would say on this board about him was really disheartening, hopefully Wilmers last look as a met reaches some of the assholes on this board

I don't recall a sole on this site ever bashing Flores the player. A few nut jobs couldn't get past him not being a SS but everybody loved the kid.

Looks like TDA will be back tomorrow!

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Eric Simon ‏@AmazinAvenue 36s37 seconds ago Yayyyyyyy!!!! RT @PSBLynn Travis d'Arnaud will travel to NYC tonight. #BMets headed to Virginia.

Is TDA is playing tomorrow?

Writers for that , guys are all sleeze bags when it comes to getting a story

Is this happening?

Then Flores wouldn't still be playing

Nobody likes on this board

Yup

"There is no crying in baseball", was never traded from a team he loved. Good luck Wilmer whenever the trade is official. Official or not Collins should have pulled him.

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and currently has the 11th winning % in the AL. Why are they pursuing Hamels? Weird.

Cause they are look towards 2016 with Darvish coming back. Wanted to make sure they get a guy they can control for a few years.

In comment 12392846 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12392819 Rory said: Quote: I don't know if this reaches a lot of fans and prob doesn't but let this be a good example of how we forget so often that despite all the glory and the stats these guys are human. Mistakes an all Wilmer was a born Met and was looking forward to a post season run with his clubhouse brothers , now he's going to a completely new regime The shit fans would say on this board about him was really disheartening, hopefully Wilmers last look as a met reaches some of the assholes on this board I don't recall a sole on this site ever bashing Flores the player. A few nut jobs couldn't get past him not being a SS but everybody loved the kid.

yeah, no clue who this is directed at. I think there was maybe one person who didn't like Flores on here and I won't bother naming him.

In comment 12392842 Rflairr said:

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.�

Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world.

has been a Met since he was 18. The organization has been his family ever since he left his home country.

In comment 12392846 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12392819 Rory said: Quote: I don't know if this reaches a lot of fans and prob doesn't but let this be a good example of how we forget so often that despite all the glory and the stats these guys are human. Mistakes an all Wilmer was a born Met and was looking forward to a post season run with his clubhouse brothers , now he's going to a completely new regime The shit fans would say on this board about him was really disheartening, hopefully Wilmers last look as a met reaches some of the assholes on this board I don't recall a sole on this site ever bashing Flores the player. A few nut jobs couldn't get past him not being a SS but everybody loved the kid.

Yeah I was one of the biggest critics of his playing ss but I really liked him and wanted him to do well. Who doesn't like and root for home grown talent.

His crying after hearing about this is one of the sadder things I have seen in spots in quite awhile.

Thx that makes more sense. It probably doesn't make this years pitching hungry contenders very happy though.

You are going a bit overboard. And I hope you werent going at me for calling his bat overrated. Never rooted against the kid or said a bad word. Just that fans on here overrated the bat. He isnt alex or carlos torres

In comment 12392860 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12392842 Rflairr said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.� Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world.

not exactly, I hate the awful media people as much as anyone else, but apparently the brewers told gomez and he and his teammates began tweeting goodbye pictures. from there it's not on the media IMO. though they are dirtbags usually.

and not the good kind...

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In comment 12392862 steve in ky said:

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In comment 12392846 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12392819 Rory said: Quote: I don't know if this reaches a lot of fans and prob doesn't but let this be a good example of how we forget so often that despite all the glory and the stats these guys are human. Mistakes an all Wilmer was a born Met and was looking forward to a post season run with his clubhouse brothers , now he's going to a completely new regime The shit fans would say on this board about him was really disheartening, hopefully Wilmers last look as a met reaches some of the assholes on this board I don't recall a sole on this site ever bashing Flores the player. A few nut jobs couldn't get past him not being a SS but everybody loved the kid. Yeah I was one of the biggest critics of his playing ss but I really liked him and wanted him to do well. Who doesn't like and root for home grown talent. His crying after hearing about this is one of the sadder things I have seen in spots in quite awhile.

Being critical of his play at SS isn't being critical of the player clearly out of position as much as it was being critical of the Mets screwing up the SS position.

In comment 12392850 spike said:

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In comment 12392845 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Eric Simon ‏@AmazinAvenue 36s37 seconds ago Yayyyyyyy!!!! RT @PSBLynn Travis d'Arnaud will travel to NYC tonight. #BMets headed to Virginia. Is TDA is playing tomorrow?

I would guess? He's on the way to NYC.

But I recall some messed up commentS when he made some critical errors at SS

Of course nobody will ever own up to it

In comment 12392860 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12392842 Rflairr said:Quote:Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.� Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world.

The "F'in paparazzi media blowhard" have stated "pending review of medical records". What part of that don't you comprehend? That said, did they really have to keep Flores in the game?

You an others are too argumentive to understand my point.

In comment 12392866 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 12392860 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12392842 Rflairr said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.� Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world. not exactly, I hate the awful media people as much as anyone else, but apparently the brewers told gomez and he and his teammates began tweeting goodbye pictures. from there it's not on the media IMO. though they are dirtbags usually.

What a disgrace.

DUDA!!!

Duda!

He was a great kid who worked his ass off to do something nobody said he could do, play SS, and he did it. I will root for both he and Wheeler for the rest of their careers.

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In comment 12392873 sphinx said:

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In comment 12392860 Giants2012 said: Quote: In comment 12392842 Rflairr said:Quote:Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.� Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world. The "F'in paparazzi media blowhard" have stated "pending review of medical records". What part of that don't you comprehend? That said, did they really have to keep Flores in the game?

So you're at fault as part of the whole world? I didn't make the call, I'm sure you didn't. Yahoo, etc all stated the trade was complete. Maybe you should try understanding and that would answer why Flores was still in the game.

Gomez
Conforto
Murphy
Duda
TDA
Granderson
Uribe
Tejada
Pitcher

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add a bat(Gomex) and lose a bat (Flores).

So the Mets improved a bat yet lost one. So they still need another bat to really improve.

1 Gomez CF
2 Murphy 2B
3 Wright 3B
4 Duda 1B
5 D'arnaud C
6 Granderson RF
7 Conforto LF
8 Tejada SS

So his bat would likely be replaced by Johnson or Murphy.

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He could. On the other hand if he gets Tommy John he could be back towards the end of next year and Gomez might be done here after 2016 anyway. Maybe he reclaims his job in 2017.

Tejada takes his at bat, GIDP, Mets lose.

Why not play it safe and just take him out if things are even getting close? Just makes no sense.

In comment 12392883 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12392873 sphinx said:Quote:In comment 12392860 Giants2012 said:Quote: In comment 12392842 Rflairr said:Quote:Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Asked official involved with Gomez trade why Flores is still in game. Reply: �No deal is done. The entire world has jumped the gun.� Entire world my ass. F'in paparazzi media blowhard f'ed up the call, not the whole world. The "F'in paparazzi media blowhard" have stated "pending review of medical records". What part of that don't you comprehend? That said, did they really have to keep Flores in the game? So you're at fault as part of the whole world? I didn't make the call, I'm sure you didn't. Yahoo, etc all stated the trade was complete. Maybe you should try understanding and that would answer why Flores was still in the game.

Yahoo Sports, 1 hour ago ...
The New York Mets on Wednesday night reached agreement to acquire Milwaukee Brewers center fielder Carlos Gomez as the trading deadline approached, sources told Yahoo Sports. [...] The cost for Gomez is expected to be 25-year-old right-hander Zack Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery, and 23-year-old infielder Wilmer Flores. [...] The deal had not been announced as of mid-evening Wednesday, as the teams continued to review medical records. [...]

Link - ( New Window )

In comment 12392889 ZGiants98 said:

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1 Gomez CF 2 Murphy 2B 3 Wright 3B 4 Duda 1B 5 D'arnaud C 6 Granderson RF 7 Conforto LF 8 Tejada SS

Granderson is there best hitter. 2, 3, or 4 for him.

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In comment 12392886 steve in ky said: Quote: . He could. On the other hand if he gets Tommy John he could be back towards the end of next year and Gomez might be done here after 2016 anyway. Maybe he reclaims his job in 2017.

don't think tj surgery takes 12 months for non pitchers

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In comment 12392886 steve in ky said: Quote: . He could. On the other hand if he gets Tommy John he could be back towards the end of next year and Gomez might be done here after 2016 anyway. Maybe he reclaims his job in 2017.

That's a good point. But they seem to be going for it now so maybe they look to get one more piece to help them now and he would be expendable at this point.

The Uribe/KJ move left him nowhere to play and we had 4 players splitting time at 2 positions.. which could have turned into 5 if Wright returns. This doesn't even mention Herrera in the wings.

The idea that trading away Flores cancels out acquiring Gomez and that we have to somehow trade for ANOTHER bat is laughable.

And then he and Nimmo are your CF options if Gomez bolts in 2017.

What I read, what was all over the net and announced on abc,wfan commercial and the Yankee broadcast was the deal was done. There was no mention of any medical anything.

In comment 12392896 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 12392891 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12392886 steve in ky said: Quote: . He could. On the other hand if he gets Tommy John he could be back towards the end of next year and Gomez might be done here after 2016 anyway. Maybe he reclaims his job in 2017. don't think tj surgery takes 12 months for non pitchers

It doesn't. 8 months more likely but he probably wouldn't be back in peak form until the all-star break anyway I wouldn't think.

In comment 12392898 arcarsenal said:

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The Uribe/KJ move left him nowhere to play and we had 4 players splitting time at 2 positions.. which could have turned into 5 if Wright returns. This doesn't even mention Herrera in the wings. The idea that trading away Flores cancels out acquiring Gomez and that we have to somehow trade for ANOTHER bat is laughable.

Agreed. We traded a guy currently on the bench for a guy who is most likely now the best player on the team.

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And then he and Nimmo are your CF options if Gomez bolts in 2017.

Yeah exactly. Thats what Im thinking.

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The kid needs his elbow fixed before playing anymore baseball IMO. I think the injury has effected his swing as much as his throwing.

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Excellent pitch runner. I vote we keep him playing

if Sandy is done. Giving up Wheeler + we better be going for it now. Might as well bring in a Brad Miller to play SS with Flores or something like that.

Trading

just in case. Missing the first few months of next season is not a big deal and I guess he's still depth for this season. Could even put him on the 15 day DL to let him rest a little bit. Not a bad 4th/5th OFer for rest of the season.

In comment 12392895 schabadoo said:

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In comment 12392889 ZGiants98 said: Quote: 1 Gomez CF 2 Murphy 2B 3 Wright 3B 4 Duda 1B 5 D'arnaud C 6 Granderson RF 7 Conforto LF 8 Tejada SS Granderson is there best hitter. 2, 3, or 4 for him.

Switch Granderson and Murphy then. Thats a damn impressive lineup though. With Cuddyer, Uribe, Johnson, and Plawecki on the bench?? Wow.

Let him have the surgery and heal up. He was a legitimate asset in 2014. He just needs to get right. If we don't hang onto Gomez beyond 2016, it will be good to still have Lagares.

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just in case. Missing the first few months of next season is not a big deal and I guess he's still depth for this season. Could even put him on the 15 day DL to let him rest a little bit. Not a bad 4th/5th OFer for rest of the season.

Agreed. There isn't a rush for Lagares to be ready for the start of the season anymore. With Gomez he can take his time so either way works. I am curious about Kirk. You would think Gomez takes his spot and Kirk is gone unless they DL Lagares right away.

sounds like they are making him a platoon/bench guy for now. That's probably the right call, no reason to have him miss potentially important games when he can otherwise miss the offseason/early season games.

Such as Wheeler I say go for it if you can and try and acquire a better SS.

I hope Sandy makes one more deal. There is not benefit in waiting.

In comment 12392918 steve in ky said:

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Such as Wheeler I say go for it if you can and try and acquire a better SS. I hope Sandy makes one more deal. There is not benefit in waiting.

Yeah. I mean the trading deadline is an A+ for me. Cant ask for anything more but what the hell? We came this far? Go get a SS too. lol.

Maybe you can get Rollins? or Alexei Ramirez? I'm just hoping for anything better than Tovar/Quintinilla.

LOL

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LOL

What's he saying?

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I don't get it:

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Anthony DiComo ‏@AnthonyDiComo 2m2 minutes ago Collins: "You guys think this game is easy to play? Play it with s--- like that going on in the background." #Mets 0 retweets 0 favorites

Adam Rubin
"Someone came to me, 'Wilmer's crying.'" Terry Collins said. At that point Collins had no idea about a trade.

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Maybe you can get Rollins? or Alexei Ramirez? I'm just hoping for anything better than Tovar/Quintinilla.

Not sure if the Mariners would trade Miller anymore but he's having a pretty good season. Would be an ideal target I think. Would probably cost a lot though. I don't know. Tejada has been pretty good too. Maybe we just need a better backup.

Adam Rubin
"There was nothing I knew about. Why would I take him out of the game?" Terry Collins said.

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In comment 12392922 steve in ky said: Quote: LOL What's he saying?

You have to listen to really appreciate but being asked about Wilmer crying the trade and he says he doesn't know what going on.

Said someone comes up to him and says Wilmer is crying and he said "what for" and they said he got traded, he says "For who?"

Another rant about fans watching on their phones and why even bother coming to the game, Kind of all over the place.

He is also saying that right now there is no deal that he is aware of.

They showed someone walk up to terry before the wilmer crying thing. Also think the comment about "i sob sometimes in the 3rd inning but i gotta keep going" was a bit douchey.

Good for Collins going unfiltered in this post game.

"I don't even know why people come anymore, they watch the game on their cell phone."

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1h1 hour ago
Was told #Brewers asked for Dilson Herrera and #Mets refused since already were including Wheeler. Accepted Flores as 2d item

Wimers ovation, gary announced the deal and they showed david come from in the clubhouse and tell Terry something and even gary and keith were wondering if david told him what he heard on the tv in the clubhouse

he's not gonna rake the front office over the coals in public.

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he's not gonna rake the front office over the coals in public.

I would call it more exasperation at the situation then his being mad. At least that was my take on it.

Wilmer Flores is crying, the fans are giving him a standing ovation, the players are talking amongst themselves and Terry is the only guy in the stadium who is clueless as to why all this is happening? I'm supposed to believe that? I like Terry more than most, but please.

Trade. Guess it fell through

But I love that Hamels is going to the Rangers and not the Dodgers or Giants.

Can Johnson also play SS?

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he's not gonna rake the front office over the coals in public.

What the front office do?

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Trade. Guess it fell through

Maybe Wheeler's medicals didn't impress

In comment 12392835 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 12392832 steve in ky said: Quote: I pictured you on the floor in the fetal position when I heard them announce the trade (grin) Lol, I was. Now that he's gone, there's nothing left for us to fight over (not that we ever really fought)

You're back!

Everyone was using his report

does Colon get in a Mets uniform?

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does Colon get in a Mets uniform?

This. After the nice start he's been horrible. We don't have the offense to carry a 5 ERA pitcher.

Only positive is this fell apart tonight and not Friday. Sandy has two days to right the ship and get us some help.

Brewers can go fuck themselves. Wheeler's medicals nixed the trade? He's coming off TJ WTF do they think his medicals are going to look like? This is twice they've fucked us over first bailing on the Meisner/Parra combo.

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Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 3m3 minutes ago
The #Brewers rejected the #Mets trade because of concerns over Wheeler"s physical and still plan to trade Gomez by Friday.

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Joe DeMayo ‏@PSLToFlushing 31s31 seconds ago
Mets sources confirmed. Brewers sources confirmed. Scott Boras (Gomez's agent) was under the impression he was a Met. It was Zack's medical.

well the Mets got lucky then IMO.

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In comment 12393023 spike said: Quote: does Colon get in a Mets uniform? This. After the nice start he's been horrible. We don't have the offense to carry a 5 ERA pitcher.

Maybe we see Dillon Gee again.

3-0 in his last four starts in Vegas. 3.65 era 21 k's w/ 6 walks in in 24.2 innings