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NFT: Padres v Mets Wed 7/29 @ 7:10:

sphinx : 7/29/2015 4:35 pm
Granderson RF
Murphy 3B
Johnson 2B
Duda 1B
Conforto LF
Nieuwenhuis CF
Flores SS
Recker C
Colon P

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RE: Keep comparing Parra and Upton as players Z  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 6:59 pm : link
In comment 12392362 Torrag said:
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Your digging your own grave. What little credibility you had is evaporating.


Im sure. Haha.
RE: Upton's impending free agency might be in his head  
stillpoe : 7/29/2015 7:01 pm : link
In comment 12392301 Torrag said:
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He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.

On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.

Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.


I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.

I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.
Anyways...  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:02 pm : link
On to the game. Not going to spend my night resorting to the likes of this fool.
Wheeler's injury makes him into a speculative prospect again  
Eric on Li : 7/29/2015 7:02 pm : link
at a time when we are looking for production.

He obviously won't impact this season and next season it's very debateable he will be able to contribute much more given the likely rust from TJS and 1 year off.

Compared to someone like Fulmer he should have more trade value externally, but for our own internal valuation purposes he's going to start getting expensive way before Fulmer does and he's also already shown as good as his stuff may be he isn't on the level of the true big 3 whereas Fulmer could just be developing later like Matz. I wouldn't deal him for a rental but for Puig or Gomez, absolutely.
You're putting too much stock in the last few months.  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:03 pm : link
Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops.

My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.
theres this  
dep026 : 7/29/2015 7:03 pm : link
Andy Martino
@MartinoNYDN

Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat
RE: RE: Upton's impending free agency might be in his head  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:04 pm : link
In comment 12392365 stillpoe said:
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He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.

On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.

Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.



I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.

I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.


Totally reasonable but your talking about two players with completely different circumstances. Upton has been HORRIBLE for two months and you might be able to get him for LESS. Parra is having a career year and would easily be the best hitter on our team so you are likely paying MORE. Add it all up and the package for either is probably comparable.
I'd take Upton over Parra 10x out of 10 right now if close in cost  
Eric on Li : 7/29/2015 7:04 pm : link
regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Wheeler for Upton + considerations would be in play imo  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:05 pm : link
It would depend on the deal as a whole. I agree straight up it doesn't work for us. It could be widened to make sense.
........................  
sphinx : 7/29/2015 7:05 pm : link
Andy Martino
Told they're not on Cespedes

Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat

RE: You're putting too much stock in the last few months.  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:07 pm : link
In comment 12392369 arcarsenal said:
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Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops.

My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.


Sure but even a lesser version of Parra still is likely comparable to Upton for the rest of the season even if Upton bounces back. I honestly think they are pretty comparable as far as what they would add to the lineup and thats only because Parra has been THAT good. If your talking about which player will be better over the next few years, I would easily take Upton but we are only talking about 2 months here.
Wheeler for  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:08 pm : link
2 months of a struggling Upton would be an absolute joke.
Multiple sources now indicate the Mets working for a 'big bat'  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:08 pm : link
That has a nice ring to it. Hope it's not just a tease. Pull out the stops Sandy. we know since it's a 'big bat' it isn't Parra. Gomez? Upton? Puig?
RE: ........................  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12392378 sphinx said:
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Andy Martino
Told they're not on Cespedes

Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat


Pretty exciting. Lets do it.
If it's the rumored  
Rflairr : 7/29/2015 7:09 pm : link
Bruce for Wheeler. I don't like that at all
The Internet is heating up  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 7:09 pm : link
they are close to a big trade or bat depending who you read
RE: I'd take Upton over Parra 10x out of 10 right now if close in cost  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12392373 Eric on Li said:
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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.


Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
RE: If it's the rumored  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12392384 Rflairr said:
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Bruce for Wheeler. I don't like that at all


I think that might be it too and Im sort of on the fence with that deal.
Rflairr I agree  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:12 pm : link
Wheeler for Bruce, even controlled for 2016, isn't ideal. I think Dan will dig it though. He's very high on Bruce. I would put Bruce a notch below the 'big bat' category but opinions vary.
I would do Bruce for Wheeler.  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:13 pm : link
We would have Bruce this year, next year and in 2017 as well. Wheeler is unlikely to even be "right" until opening day 2017.
I have a feeling if they do something  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/29/2015 7:13 pm : link
It gets done in time for the new bat to play Friday night against the Nats. That's a huge series.
Lennon  
Rflairr : 7/29/2015 7:14 pm : link
Told #Mets not in on Parra, but they are working on a deal. Id say Bruce a possibility.
Looks like Bad Bart is on the mound tonight.  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:14 pm : link
This could be one of those BP outings where he gives up 6-7 runs.
Come on Colon  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:14 pm : link
Dont dig us in a hole in the first damn inning.
RE: I have a feeling if they do something  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:15 pm : link
In comment 12392395 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It gets done in time for the new bat to play Friday night against the Nats. That's a huge series.


well the deadline is Friday afternoon so Id say you might be correct! ;)
arc he's signed for 2017 as well?  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:15 pm : link
That changes things. Wheeler 2016 could very well be a non factor for us. The extra year sold me on it.
Bad Bart  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 7:15 pm : link
Oh well
They sent down  
spike : 7/29/2015 7:16 pm : link
Verrett a day too early!
Add another voice  
sphinx : 7/29/2015 7:16 pm : link
Jon Heyman retweeted
Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig 9m9 minutes ago
Told Mets are indeed very close to pulling off a big trade. No sense of who it is, but chance its a big bat.

RE: arc he's signed for 2017 as well?  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:17 pm : link
In comment 12392401 Torrag said:
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That changes things. Wheeler 2016 could very well be a non factor for us. The extra year sold me on it.


He has a team option for 13M which would be a no brainer to pick up. He's 28 years old so odds are he will remain highly productive through the life of this contract. It would be really good value. Gotta make that trade if it's on the table. We are unlikely to even get much of anything from Wheeler next year.
Phew  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:18 pm : link
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Lennon
Rflairr : 7:14 pm : link : reply
Told #Mets not in on Parra


Plays into my desire to see the Brewers frozen out of the market for being greedy. Carries the added benefit, if true, of denying Z the opportunity to crow about Parra for the rest of the season.
Looks like not Bruce  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 7:20 pm : link
and Upton is playing not Parra, who?
Good job  
spike : 7/29/2015 7:20 pm : link
bouncing back to limit the damage, Colon
A $13M option on Bruce is a bargain  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:20 pm : link
He may not be an elite bat but at those prices he doesn't have to be to be a very solid acquisition. Funny he's the perfect guy for the Wilpons lol.
Who the fuck  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:20 pm : link
wants to crow about Parra? He's been a great player this year and actually plays a position of need. MANY of us wanted him. Id be happy with a number of players however.
RE: Lennon  
stillpoe : 7/29/2015 7:21 pm : link
In comment 12392396 Rflairr said:
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Told #Mets not in on Parra, but they are working on a deal. Id say Bruce a possibility.


Yeah, not sure Parra would qualify as a "big bat". It has to be someone like Upton or Bruce. Still very exciting! **

**barring the cost of one of our beloved prospects.
TDA 1-1  
Headhunter : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
Cecchini 1-2

Smith 3-4
RE: RE: I'd take Upton over Parra 10x out of 10 right now if close in cost  
Eric on Li : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
In comment 12392389 ZGiants98 said:
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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.



Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.


What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.
I'm busting your chops Z  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
I'd be happy if we got Parra for the right price.
Very interesting tweet from Martino  
Eric on Li : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 1m1 minute ago
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.
........................  
sphinx : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.

I think Bruce is a good player  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:22 pm : link
Sort of a Granderson with worst defense but he is younger also. He'd help. Id prefer Gomez, Cespedes or somebody even bigger after all this talk however. I guess we'll see.
Whoops left out the interesting follow-up to that one  
Eric on Li : 7/29/2015 7:23 pm : link
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 46s46 seconds ago
I'll leave that out there, let you go through the rest of lists of names they've been linked to. A name that surprises all of us possible
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sphinx : 7/29/2015 7:23 pm : link
Andy Martino
I'll leave that out there, let you go through the rest of lists of names they've been linked to. A name that surprises all of us possible

Puig  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:24 pm : link
:)
RE: Puig  
spike : 7/29/2015 7:25 pm : link
In comment 12392427 arcarsenal said:
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:)


or Gomez
I'm trying to put a link together with Puig  
Torrag : 7/29/2015 7:25 pm : link
But with the Dodgers need for immediate pitching help I don't see a connection that works unless it gets really intricate.
RE: RE: RE: I'd take Upton over Parra 10x out of 10 right now if close in cost  
ZGiants98 : 7/29/2015 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12392417 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 12392373 Eric on Li said:


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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.



Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.



What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.


Eric. First go back and check Parra's BABIP every year. Seriously. He consistently has a BABIP of 30-50 points higher than his average. He is just one of those players. Second. This is a leadoff hitter that is going to be at the top of the lineup so his power numbers aren't that vital IMO. He's also just 28 and might be a late bloomer. He has been consistently good for 4 months now. This is more than a hot streak.

Again if Upton was even remotely hitting I would agree with you. Ive long wanted Upton. As of today however? I think Parra helps us more as a 2 month rental.
Im just glad we dodged  
spike : 7/29/2015 7:27 pm : link
the Tulo bullet. The Mets would have overpaid for him
The "surprise" part is the only thing that makes me think not Upton.  
arcarsenal : 7/29/2015 7:27 pm : link
Would Gomez really surprise everyone? There's certainly been talk about him.

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