He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.
On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.
Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.
I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.
I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.
He obviously won't impact this season and next season it's very debateable he will be able to contribute much more given the likely rust from TJS and 1 year off.
Compared to someone like Fulmer he should have more trade value externally, but for our own internal valuation purposes he's going to start getting expensive way before Fulmer does and he's also already shown as good as his stuff may be he isn't on the level of the true big 3 whereas Fulmer could just be developing later like Matz. I wouldn't deal him for a rental but for Puig or Gomez, absolutely.
You're putting too much stock in the last few months.
Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops.
My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.
He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.
On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.
Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.
I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.
I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.
Totally reasonable but your talking about two players with completely different circumstances. Upton has been HORRIBLE for two months and you might be able to get him for LESS. Parra is having a career year and would easily be the best hitter on our team so you are likely paying MORE. Add it all up and the package for either is probably comparable.
I'd take Upton over Parra 10x out of 10 right now if close in cost
Look at track records. Justin Upton has a much larger sample of being a very good/excellent player than Parra does. 2015 has been a real outlier for Parra offensively and is unlikely to hold. Who knows when the other shoe drops.
My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.
Sure but even a lesser version of Parra still is likely comparable to Upton for the rest of the season even if Upton bounces back. I honestly think they are pretty comparable as far as what they would add to the lineup and thats only because Parra has been THAT good. If your talking about which player will be better over the next few years, I would easily take Upton but we are only talking about 2 months here.
regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
Wheeler for Bruce, even controlled for 2016, isn't ideal. I think Dan will dig it though. He's very high on Bruce. I would put Bruce a notch below the 'big bat' category but opinions vary.
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Told Mets are indeed very close to pulling off a big trade. No sense of who it is, but chance its a big bat.
That changes things. Wheeler 2016 could very well be a non factor for us. The extra year sold me on it.
He has a team option for 13M which would be a no brainer to pick up. He's 28 years old so odds are he will remain highly productive through the life of this contract. It would be really good value. Gotta make that trade if it's on the table. We are unlikely to even get much of anything from Wheeler next year.
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Plays into my desire to see the Brewers frozen out of the market for being greedy. Carries the added benefit, if true, of denying Z the opportunity to crow about Parra for the rest of the season.
wants to crow about Parra? He's been a great player this year and actually plays a position of need. MANY of us wanted him. Id be happy with a number of players however.
regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.
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Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.
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Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.
Sort of a Granderson with worst defense but he is younger also. He'd help. Id prefer Gomez, Cespedes or somebody even bigger after all this talk however. I guess we'll see.
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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.
Eric. First go back and check Parra's BABIP every year. Seriously. He consistently has a BABIP of 30-50 points higher than his average. He is just one of those players. Second. This is a leadoff hitter that is going to be at the top of the lineup so his power numbers aren't that vital IMO. He's also just 28 and might be a late bloomer. He has been consistently good for 4 months now. This is more than a hot streak.
Again if Upton was even remotely hitting I would agree with you. Ive long wanted Upton. As of today however? I think Parra helps us more as a 2 month rental.
Im sure. Haha.
On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.
Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.
I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.
I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.
He obviously won't impact this season and next season it's very debateable he will be able to contribute much more given the likely rust from TJS and 1 year off.
Compared to someone like Fulmer he should have more trade value externally, but for our own internal valuation purposes he's going to start getting expensive way before Fulmer does and he's also already shown as good as his stuff may be he isn't on the level of the true big 3 whereas Fulmer could just be developing later like Matz. I wouldn't deal him for a rental but for Puig or Gomez, absolutely.
My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.
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He's 33 points below his career low OPS this season. That in turn is 15 points below his previous low. I'd still push real hard for him before committing to Parra. He's more talented and has had the better career.
On the flip side Parra is a better fit to bat leadoff and contribute in CF.
Both catapult us into position to win a playoff spot. If Upton gets hot he could be the catalyst we need to contend for a championship.
I agree. Yes, Parra would allow us to move Grandy to the 2-3 spot, but I just think Upton is not as bad as the past two months. A move could just be what he needs to turn things around, and when he does, he can bring what Cuddyer was meant to do for us and much more.
I'd be okay if we include Fulmer in a package, but would be a lot more content if we secured him to a long term deal as opposed to just a rental.
Totally reasonable but your talking about two players with completely different circumstances. Upton has been HORRIBLE for two months and you might be able to get him for LESS. Parra is having a career year and would easily be the best hitter on our team so you are likely paying MORE. Add it all up and the package for either is probably comparable.
Told they're not on Cespedes
Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat
My money would be on Upton snapping out of his funk and being a better player down the stretch rather than Parra continuing to hit around .320.
Sure but even a lesser version of Parra still is likely comparable to Upton for the rest of the season even if Upton bounces back. I honestly think they are pretty comparable as far as what they would add to the lineup and thats only because Parra has been THAT good. If your talking about which player will be better over the next few years, I would easily take Upton but we are only talking about 2 months here.
Told they're not on Cespedes
Mets working on a trade. Not sure when of it will be done, but there's momentum. Like others, hearing it's so called big bat
Pretty exciting. Lets do it.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
I think that might be it too and Im sort of on the fence with that deal.
well the deadline is Friday afternoon so Id say you might be correct! ;)
Marc Carig @MarcCarig 9m9 minutes ago
Told Mets are indeed very close to pulling off a big trade. No sense of who it is, but chance its a big bat.
He has a team option for 13M which would be a no brainer to pick up. He's 28 years old so odds are he will remain highly productive through the life of this contract. It would be really good value. Gotta make that trade if it's on the table. We are unlikely to even get much of anything from Wheeler next year.
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Told #Mets not in on Parra
Plays into my desire to see the Brewers frozen out of the market for being greedy. Carries the added benefit, if true, of denying Z the opportunity to crow about Parra for the rest of the season.
Yeah, not sure Parra would qualify as a "big bat". It has to be someone like Upton or Bruce. Still very exciting! **
**barring the cost of one of our beloved prospects.
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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.
Cespedes out, Reds not moving Bruce at moment, I'm told. Parra trade fell apart last week. Mets almost certainly not on CarGo.
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regardless of their numbers. Only thing that would possibly change that is medical.
Thats totally fine and your allowed, but there is nothing really to back that up unless you just have a gut feeling. Parra has been awesome this year and I don't think Upton is ever a wRC+ 140 player. He's come close to that once or twice but that would be an all-time high for him. Just totally unrealistic that he suddenly is the absolute best he's ever been in the next two months.
What are you basing that off of other than 1 year with a crazy high BABIP? Upton was the 1st pick in the draft, hit 26 homeruns at age 21 and is on pace to hit 25+ homers for the 3rd year in a row. His career OPS is almost 100 points higher than Parra's.
Eric. First go back and check Parra's BABIP every year. Seriously. He consistently has a BABIP of 30-50 points higher than his average. He is just one of those players. Second. This is a leadoff hitter that is going to be at the top of the lineup so his power numbers aren't that vital IMO. He's also just 28 and might be a late bloomer. He has been consistently good for 4 months now. This is more than a hot streak.
Again if Upton was even remotely hitting I would agree with you. Ive long wanted Upton. As of today however? I think Parra helps us more as a 2 month rental.