NFT: Padres v Mets Wed 7/29 @ 7:10:

In comment 12392553 CGiants07 said:

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Incarcerated Bob IBN �@incarceratedbob � 46s47 seconds ago **MLB RUMORS** Brewers looking for some type of combo of Lagares, Wheeler / Montero / Flores for Gomez and possibly Segura (heavy talks)

Lagares, Montero, and Flores and Im celebrating!

In comment 12392560 Torrag said:

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Could account for his running game.

thought it was a hip issue

Gomez and TDA added to this lineup by Friday has me pumped. All we need is Wright to come back and join the party end of August. Wouldn't that be something.

In comment 12392562 CGiants07 said:

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In comment 12392560 Torrag said: Quote: Could account for his running game. thought it was a hip issue

He did have a hip issue.

Though I'd lean towards keeping Granderson & Gomez as some combination of 1 & 2. Who hits where would depend on the matchup & health of whoever is hitting 3-4-5.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 10s10 seconds ago
Source: One combination that #Mets and #Brewers have discussed: Wheeler and Flores for Gomez. Again, no indication whether deal is close.

has been one of the worst starters in MLB this year. Gee isn't good, but he'll at least give us some innings and not get rocked 2/3 of his outings. He threw a CG his last outing in Vegas and has pitched good his last four starts after getting rocked in his first few outings.

The bottom line is that every game matters and we simply can't afford to put colon out there.

You could be right. I'd actually prefer quad so maybe it was wishful thinking. Anytime an athlete says hip I reflexively wince...I call it the Bo reaction.

5.9 ERA
1.66 WHIP
0-3 in 7 starts
5 HR in 40 innings

And he basically quit on the team. I'd call up Bowman & Verrett before pitching Gee again.

Adam Rubin retweeted Jerry Crasnick
OH NO Adam Rubin added,
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Sounds like Gomez to #Mets deal will be tough to consummate unless #Brewers drop their asking price.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
#Brewers exec told me conversations continue on Gomez, but nothing concrete. #Mets

...that doesn't have the best interests of the organization to heart. So if Gee does get a call up the powers that be better be 100% sure of his effort level because I'm not sure.

Because it went poorly let's not act as if Colon didn't just shut down a potent Dodgers lineup. His pitching badly is far from a foregone conclusion.

This won't be painless I'm sure.

clown can't find the strike zone with ZERO pressure in garbage time. Time for fucking diaper head to get lost!

likely that it's getting close because generally it's clear that there is instantly more urgency or pressure on the side of the team that's trying to go for it. My guess is they are haggling over the quality of whatever 2nd/3rd pieces are in it, and my other guess is that if the Brewers are serious they won't make the same mistake they did when they liked Meisner a few days ago. Every single writer getting the news at the same time clearly got #Metstwitter into a frenzy and I doubt that was a coincidence.

so much for the sweep.

a "top 4" pitcher is being asked for? And also the Mets now need the price to come down? Could Milwaukee be stupid enough to now be asking for Matz or Syndergaard?? UGH. This is annoying.

Jared Diamond ‏@jareddiamond 2m2 minutes ago
Mets pitching prospect Robert Gsellman was removed from his start tonight after throwing just 68 pitches.

guys. Let it unfold.

Agreed. I would now be surprised if a Gomez deal doesn't get completed.

Gomez isn't worth it.

In comment 12392583 Eric on Li said:

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guys. Let it unfold.

I am. Just what I was reading and apparently the Mets balked and now its held up it seems. Im sure its posturing and theres all sorts or Twitter BS going around. Who knows whats true or not.

Just a couple years ago Segura was a rising stud. Fast forward a couple years; he's been injury plagued and endured a terrible tragedy in his life and people seem like he's done. Could be a great comeback opportunity in a different city

with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

In comment 12392588 Torrag said:

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Gomez isn't worth it.

Yeah thats where Im at. Wheeler is the absolute most I would give up.

In comment 12392591 Metnut said:

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with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

It really shouldn't.

All sorts of stuff is going to come out. I think it'll get done. They'll try to squeeze more than Wheeler out of it and realize we're not budging on it and will start to worry it's the best they'll ever do for him and it'll get finalized. Just my guess..

Mike Vorkunov @Mike_Vorkunov
Indeed, Robert Gsellman done after 5 innings, 0 ER, 68 pitches tonight. First time he hasn't thrown at least 80 in a AA start this year.

I'd be fine
Metnut : 8:29 pm : link : reply
with Lagares/Wheeler/Flores for Gomez. I think it'll cost more though.

So Lagares/Wheeler/Flores/Gselleman? That's a steep price but I can barely, barely swallow it.

Are we saying Fulmers name next season ?

I think Fulmer is def in contention for a roster spot next season.

and Logan Verrett or Montero inserted?

so it could still blow up. But I think this is a good match and as good of a deal as they can expect. Using the Tulo trade as a comp:

Reyes - Flores (similar fWAR, Flores younger & cheaper)
Hoffman - Wheeler (both TJS who are 1 year+ away)
Castro/3rd pitcher - IDK who they comps to right now, maybe Montero or Gselleman? Or maybe Lagares?

Bottomline is Tulo was an all star this year, the money per season was a wash, and people credited COL for a good return. The Mets aren't paying than that more for Gomez.

lol

come on Flores, not in Milwaukee yet.

Wheeler for just Gomez or Bruce.

you gotta make contact.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 13s13 seconds ago
Source: If Mets trade for Carlos Gomez does come to fruition, Juan Lagares expected to go to the Brewers. Name has been prominent in talks.

Factoring in the TJ and that 2016 is essentially a rehab year for Wheeler.

But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't.

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I'd still do it.

In comment 12392618 arcarsenal said:

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But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't.

exactly. We won't be seeing the best of Wheeler until 2018, or later. By then, Fulmer or someone will be ready for the big show.
I'm okay with trading him for a reliable bat in the lineup.

In comment 12392616 Eric on Li said:

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Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 13s13 seconds ago Source: If Mets trade for Carlos Gomez does come to fruition, Juan Lagares expected to go to the Brewers. Name has been prominent in talks.

Good. That make me happy.

I agree and I'm not sure on Matz yet. Hasn't been healthy enough and I just haven't seen enough yet to know.

In comment 12392624 spike said:

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In comment 12392618 arcarsenal said: Quote: But I don't think he has the same legit Ace upside as the other 4 guys. I think he's going to be a really good #2/#3 type starter but I think we should be able to replace him internally. Remember, he's not likely to be "100%" until Opening Day 2017. He'll pitch next season but like we are seeing with Harvey, it's highly unlikely he'll just revert to form without missing a beat. The vast majority of guys who undergo TJ don't. exactly. We won't be seeing the best of Wheeler until 2018, or later. By then, Fulmer or someone will be ready for the big show. I'm okay with trading him for a reliable bat in the lineup.

2018?? Holy shit. He's coming back next June. He could be a huge piece during our playoff run next year. 2018??

will they cut bait on Mario Torres?

Spike that's a tad conservative. Wheeler should be back to form by the start of the 2017 season. Many previous TJ rehabs bear that out.

Will Wheeler oitch in MLB in 2016? yes. Is he likely to recapture his top form in 2016? No. harvey had an extra long TJ rehab and has had an uneven season and he is the superior pitcher. 2017 is a reasonable time frame to expect a full return to form by Wheeler.

That could potentially not play till may/June next year ?

Andy Martino
ahem. Gomez
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Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 19s20 seconds ago
Sources: Mets moving closer to deal for Carlos Gomes