NFT: Mets trade for Carlos Gomez

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MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

he almost always gets more and gives up less than we expect. Wish he'd have used that skill more over the past few years but he seems to be motivated to make up for lost time.

Amidst all the chaos last night Carig tweeted an interesting nugget, which was that Sandy is going for it now in large part because of how great Thor has been because they didn't expect him to be so good right away. He also said they viewed Gomez as a much better fit than any other targets out there, so at this point I'd be a little surprised if they get another big deal done.

In comment 12393308 DanMetroMan said:

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ask was apparently Wheeler/Herrera which the Mets declined. Interesting.

maybe Sandy realizes defense is very important with a solid pitching staff and big ballpark?

I am confident that Flores will be a better offensive player than Herrera, but I don't think Herrera will be a poor offensive player.

He HAS shown to have a good glove and very good range.

In comment 12393310 DanMetroMan said:

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Bob NightengaleVerified account ‏@BNightengale MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

YEESH.. talk about going for it NOW.

In comment 12393310 DanMetroMan said:

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Bob NightengaleVerified account ‏@BNightengale MLB executives are absolutely convinced #Tigers David Price will wind up with the #Dodgers, who likely will have to part with Urias.

Thats a huge get by the Tigers if true

obviously haven't seen the medicals so maybe Gomez is really truly damaged but I would have still done the deal. The contract is too good to ignore. He's so cheap the Mets could add Gomez AND another bat in the off-season without having to suspend disbelief.

Wow.. prying Urias away is huge.

which was the main report people used to say it was done. I would not for a second put it past Boras to try to generate the frenzy we saw last night to put more pressure on the Mets to complete the deal.

The Mets can't make that trade if Gomez' hip is still compromised. The PR shitstorm that would ensue if he wound up on the DL and the way Sandy would get KILLED for trading for damaged goods wouldn't be worth it.

I was really excited about getting Gomez and it's a huge kick in the balls not to have it happen but if we're going to part with Wheeler in a deal, you have to do it for a guy who is healthy.

other teams are going to expect the mets to be desperate, which probably lessens the chance of them adding something.

If I were a seller, I'd be looking to raise my prices if I see 718 on the caller ID.

(I realize the irony in saying that since Wheeler himself is still injured, but.. he's still a big chip for us)

In comment 12393330 DanMetroMan said:

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obviously haven't seen the medicals so maybe Gomez is really truly damaged but I would have still done the deal. The contract is too good to ignore. He's so cheap the Mets could add Gomez AND another bat in the off-season without having to suspend disbelief.

For me it would have come down to a degenerative thing that needs surgery vs. something that won't affect him next year. If it's the first one it's tough to deal for a player whose game is based on athleticism, even though we were giving up somewhat damaged goods ourselves.

just saying I'm no doctor but I will say I'll be absolutely bummed if Gomez ends up having a big 2016. Both because of the 2015 impact and next year. He may be very damaged and the Mets made the right move but if he has a big 2016 I think the Mets will look really bad here #LOLMetsDoctorsAsUsual etc

Wow if true. Would think Dodgers are granted a window for that. Massive pay for a rental, but hindsight will say it's worth it IF they win it all.

Great get by tigers regardless.

In comment 12393338 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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other teams are going to expect the mets to be desperate, which probably lessens the chance of them adding something. If I were a seller, I'd be looking to raise my prices if I see 718 on the caller ID.

I trust sandy in these matters...i hardly doubt somebody is going to pull a fast one over him.

they can get Urias for Price it's a ridiculous no-brainer. Urias might be the best pitching prospect since Felix Hernandez.

Yeah but they'd look much worse if he came here and wound up missing time because of an injury they already knew about. Sandy would get crucified.

The Mets are going to get killed no matter what they do in most cases, it's just how it is. I agree it's a huge bummer if Gomez has a big 2016 but there's just no way of knowing right now.. it'd all be guesswork.

In comment 12393356 DanMetroMan said:

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they can get Urias for Price it's a ridiculous no-brainer. Urias might be the best pitching prospect since Felix Hernandez.

Isn't pitching harder to find? I would part with seager before parting with Urias or any pitching of his caliber.

Obviously the hip is why Mets didn't get Tulo in the offseason. Ironic if that's why they didn't get Gomez too. After missing out on Tulo this week.

#LOLMETS
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In comment 12393358 arcarsenal said:

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Yeah but they'd look much worse if he came here and wound up missing time because of an injury they already knew about. Sandy would get crucified. The Mets are going to get killed no matter what they do in most cases, it's just how it is. I agree it's a huge bummer if Gomez has a big 2016 but there's just no way of knowing right now.. it'd all be guesswork.

Disagree on the last part. It would be your doctors giving you an accurate prognosis, not a "guess". If he has a big 2016 people are going to be absolutely furious (rightfully so). Just remember all of the other previous Mets medical gaffes. He may yet be very damaged but if he's putting up a 4.0+ WAR 2016 It's going to hurt very badly.

In comment 12393345 DanMetroMan said:

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just saying I'm no doctor but I will say I'll be absolutely bummed if Gomez ends up having a big 2016. Both because of the 2015 impact and next year. He may be very damaged and the Mets made the right move but if he has a big 2016 I think the Mets will look really bad here #LOLMetsDoctorsAsUsual etc

How can you NOT trust the Mets doctors??

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In comment 12393356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: they can get Urias for Price it's a ridiculous no-brainer. Urias might be the best pitching prospect since Felix Hernandez. Isn't pitching harder to find? I would part with seager before parting with Urias or any pitching of his caliber.

Pitching is actually EASIER to find in todays game. Offense is down, good offense harder to find.

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I don't really get what the Mets did wrong here.

Yikes

In comment 12393366 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12393358 arcarsenal said: Quote: Yeah but they'd look much worse if he came here and wound up missing time because of an injury they already knew about. Sandy would get crucified. The Mets are going to get killed no matter what they do in most cases, it's just how it is. I agree it's a huge bummer if Gomez has a big 2016 but there's just no way of knowing right now.. it'd all be guesswork. Disagree on the last part. It would be your doctors giving you an accurate prognosis, not a "guess". If he has a big 2016 people are going to be absolutely furious (rightfully so). Just remember all of the other previous Mets medical gaffes. He may yet be very damaged but if he's putting up a 4.0+ WAR 2016 It's going to hurt very badly.

I'm assuming the prognosis is that he's NOT going to be completely free of this issue in 2016. But there's no way of knowing if he'll aggravate it or not between now and then anyway. Milwaukee doesn't have him running at all, he's stolen zero bases this month.

The doctors can determine whether or not it's degenerative but if he continues to play on it, they can't predict whether he'll re-injure it or not. It's tricky.

In comment 12393364 sshin05 said:

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#LOLMETS Link - ( New Window )

Did I just read that right? Padres manager said he pulled Upton and Kemp to fuck with the media????

In comment 12393370 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12393364 sshin05 said: Quote: #LOLMETS Link - ( New Window ) I don't really get what the Mets did wrong here.

They dont say the Mets did anything wrong but for some reason used #LOLMets.

it's not degenerative and the Mets passed then I will be furious. He doesn't need to be running much this season to help the Mets (still on pace to be worth 3.2 WAR this season without running much). If it turns out 2016 is compromised/it's a longer term concern then obviously the Mets made the right move.

In comment 12393372 DanMetroMan said:

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Yikes

Three consecutive no hitters in the playoffs if the mets are "lucky" enough to face them

They may as well just fold as a franchise. Good lord.

Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig
FWIW, checked this AM, it doesn't sound like Mets are done trying to get a bat.

it's not degenerative and the Mets passed then I will be furious. He doesn't need to be running much this season to help the Mets (still on pace to be worth 3.2 WAR this season without running much). If it turns out 2016 is compromised/it's a longer term concern then obviously the Mets made the right move.

Kaminsky is quite a get for Moss, Cardinals can afford it though

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In comment 12393364 sshin05 said: Quote: #LOLMETS Link - ( New Window ) Did I just read that right? Padres manager said he pulled Upton and Kemp to fuck with the media????

Well, that and it was like 7-1 at the time. But it is funny.

But it's still an uncharacteristic panic move for the Cardinals, and a flat-out terrible deal. Brandon Moss has been garbage this year.

Maybe not if they run into StL. The Cards have stomped Kershaw a couple times in the last 2 years in October.

In comment 12393391 DanMetroMan said:

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it's not degenerative and the Mets passed then I will be furious. He doesn't need to be running much this season to help the Mets (still on pace to be worth 3.2 WAR this season without running much). If it turns out 2016 is compromised/it's a longer term concern then obviously the Mets made the right move. Kaminsky is quite a get for Moss, Cardinals can afford it though

If he is impaired and the Mets didn't pass on him you'd be furious. Really no winning with this one. Maybe the Brewers could've been more honest about his condition?

In comment 12393387 Greg from LI said:

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They may as well just fold as a franchise. Good lord.

Dodgers are really going for it it. They are like the last generation Yankees, spending like crazy AND a loaded farm.

In comment 12393387 Greg from LI said:

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They may as well just fold as a franchise. Good lord.

I'll admit it. I'm hoping the Dodgers tank with their $310mm payroll.
Add Price, subtract Price. Now a $330mm payroll. Even more reason to root against them.

In comment 12393397 Greg from LI said:

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But it's still an uncharacteristic panic move for the Cardinals, and a flat-out terrible deal. Brandon Moss has been garbage this year.

Cardinals somehow find a way to get guys like Moss going. I'm convinced they have some sort of black magic. Make a minor Freese deal and add Grichuk who is quietly a stud.

also suggest like the SF Giants, NE Patriots and Spurs, Cardinals get the benefit of the doubt on all moves for me. I remember people even blasted the Holliday deal, people thought they would be buried by the Pujols move/leaving, they just keep on trucking.

The man deserves a ring after all these years.

On the other hand, I'll laugh my ass off if they get bounced from the NLDS in 4 again because I hate LA fans.

Still trying to figure out how David Murphy/DeJesus cost absolutely nothing but guys like Moss cost a legit very solid prospect?

but gomez was such a good fit. Really bummed this trade didnt go through.

In comment 12393415 Greg from LI said:

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The man deserves a ring after all these years. On the other hand, I'll laugh my ass off if they get bounced from the NLDS in 4 again because I hate LA fans.

Hard to root for a team who may have payroll coming OFF the books than all but one other team had in payroll for 2915 (Yankees). Yet would still be a top five payroll next year and have the most committed money in baseball already to 2017. I'm hoping they blow it, because them winning anything is just not good for the game.

Again if Urias might go in the Price deal, why not jump in and try and land Puig for Wheeler (and others) instead (to Det)? #Mets

In comment 12393420 DanMetroMan said:

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Still trying to figure out how David Murphy/DeJesus cost absolutely nothing but guys like Moss cost a legit very solid prospect?

That is a GREAT question.

I wouldn't be a Yankee fan

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago
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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago
Melvin: "I don�t believe Carlos Gomez has a phsycial issue. Our training staff won best in baseball the last 2 years." (cont)
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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago
Checked with #Brewers GM Doug Melvin again this morning and he said #Mets had concerns with Gomez medicals but Milw does not.

In comment 12393425 Italianju said:

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but gomez was such a good fit. Really bummed this trade didnt go through.

I best dissapointment for me in not getting a ones is simple. This team desperately needs an asshole. No disrespect to Flores, but he cried out on the field last night. This team needs an asshole in the worst way.