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The more details I get on nixed Gomez trade, the more it sounds as if it became more financial matter than medical matter. Anyone surprised?
Maybe The deal was done and Alderson brought it to the Owner and he said no we cant afford it?
Seems very unlikely. You wouldnt say it was done and exchange medicals if ownership wouldnt allow it anyway.
More likely to me is that Boras and Melvin are on a vindictive media campaign right now. Boras is spouting nonsense like 'hey's obviously 100% healthy, he's playing!'. Tell it to Juan Lagares. And Boras has been railing about the Mets' unwillingness to spend for a few seasons now. As for Melvin, his organization looks foolish for announcing a trade that wasnt final, and he needs to protect his reputation by making sure people dont think he's been peddling damaged goods.
Just think about Haudricourt's tweet. Who is the source with the Mets who would know enough to leak that it was financial and have the motive to do it? And leak it to a Milwaukee press guy? No one. This is a two-way pile on the Mets because Boras and Melvin have a joint interest in painting this as another Wilpon folly.
have to remember Mets related sources leaked stuff like "Mets don't think the Rockies seriously intend to trade Tulo" and then he gets traded for an underwhelming package 2 days later. Does anyone really doubt that if ownership was willing to spend money on the team, we'd have Tulo on the team right now?
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
is it for certain that it was the Mets who backed out?
Well, the Mets still haven't added any salary this year so until they do, people are going to continue speculate that they can't. They were the ones that pulled out of the deal, so..
Not saying it's right or wrong but can't expect people to suddenly change their tune just because they got "close" to a deal. The deal didn't happen. Close only counts in horseshoe and hand grenades.. or whatever it is.
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
The worst thing would be if he becomes yet another Jason Bay if the trade was completed.
Mets have also loved to talk about how they almost got players in FA and made major offers but somehow they always end up with second tier guys. Would be funny for them to not improve the team by tomorrow and then point to this as a way of saying "see we tried!"
I do think that this Gomez mess is what it looks like. The teams had a deal and the Mets likely saw something in the medical records that they didn't like. However, none of us were privy to the inner negotiations and we can only rely on what leaks through and what has happened while the Wilpons have run the Mets. Given how the Wilpons have run the team, anyone dismissing the possibility that payroll could've had something to do with this simply hasn't been paying attention IMO.
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
Yes, but they knew ALL of this stuff before getting in so deep. One has to wonder what made is all change? The deal was obviously as close to done as you can get. It's not like they didn't have all of this info to begin with.
here is valid EXCEPT "becomign another Jason Bay". He's owed less money than Michael Cuddyer and about half of what Granderson is making next season. Deal could have ended up poorly but 100% because of losing Wheeler, not because Gomez "became Bay".
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
Don't know why you are up my a$$ a lot lately. All I said is that the Mets have earned their scrutiny. Don't think that's so far fetched.
But I'll add you to the "they made two minor trades, they are awesome" crowd.
I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
Don't know why you are up my a$$ a lot lately. All I said is that the Mets have earned their scrutiny. Don't think that's so far fetched.
But I'll add you to the "they made two minor trades, they are awesome" crowd.
No, they've shown a willingness lately to make deals. They are currently an active trading partner. I don't see how it makes any sense that they'd squash an agreed-to deal for a player they very much want over financing. Financing they wasn't a surprise and very straightforward.
It doesn't make any sense.
I hope it wasn't money & can't imagine it was- too many easy solutions
For the rest of this season it was less than 4M and Sandy could have easily guaranteed ownership he'd cut back somewhere else in the offseason. Plus they'd have made money right away on some more ticket sales.
Boras is totally FOS and whether or not you believe the Mets story, Gomez has the same # of SB since June as Michael Cuddyer. If another team acquires Gomez for a premium return and says "no problem with his medical" then I'll grab my pitch fork.
It does not make any sense that they'd duck out at the last minute like MIL was hiding the contract until the last second. They knew what they were getting into financially.
Brewers and Boras are in scramble mode till now, since they both have the most to lose based on how this is perceived. Be interesting how this canvas gets painted the next 28 hours.
"willingness" to make deals and actually "making" the deals
are two different things. We've seen (or at least heard) about their "willingness" to make deals and come up with nothing. Not shockingly, their two deals both come along with $$ and they STILL haven't increased the payroll. It would't surprise me in the least bit if they were trying to get $$ as a part of the trade and that's what made if fall apart. OR, it could also be Gomez' medicals. Who the hell knows. But I can at least see both sides where you, apparently, cannot.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
RE: I hope it wasn't money & can't imagine it was- too many easy solutions
For the rest of this season it was less than 4M and Sandy could have easily guaranteed ownership he'd cut back somewhere else in the offseason. Plus they'd have made money right away on some more ticket sales.
Boras is totally FOS and whether or not you believe the Mets story, Gomez has the same # of SB since June as Michael Cuddyer. If another team acquires Gomez for a premium return and says "no problem with his medical" then I'll grab my pitch fork.
While I agree with 99% of this, I think Id also need to see Gomez produce with his new team as well. If some team acquires him and says "no problem" , Id also want to see that he's not an injured mess from now until the end of the year. If he's still not stealing bases and is struggling, Ill stick with the Mets decision.
are two different things. We've seen (or at least heard) about their "willingness" to make deals and come up with nothing. Not shockingly, their two deals both come along with $$ and they STILL haven't increased the payroll. It would't surprise me in the least bit if they were trying to get $$ as a part of the trade and that's what made if fall apart. OR, it could also be Gomez' medicals. Who the hell knows. But I can at least see both sides where you, apparently, cannot.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
They went thru the entire process, agreed to the deal, and then pulled out over finances?
It makes no sense.
Sandy last night said 'we will not be trading for Gomez'. Not 'we're negotiating', 'it's ongoing', etc. If it was financial why would the door be closed? If it was medical, then it makes sense.
Brewers and Boras are in scramble mode till now, since they both have the most to lose based on how this is perceived. Be interesting how this canvas gets painted the next 28 hours.
100% agreed Shecky, I'm not buying anything from Sherman (Boras) or Brewers FO. Until another team corroborates Gomez health by dealing something good for him, I'm buying the hip problems.
sight that a huge component of this deal was that Gomez was going to help us THIS year. We are going for the playoffs and acquiring pieces for NOW. Even if he heals up in the off-season and has a solid season next year we were acquiring for TWO playoff runs, not one.
Next year is a new year and we'll have a full bevy of options to us in the off-season. We also may or not be anywhere close to contention next year. You never know. If Gomez wasn't helping us NOW, I fail to see the point in acquiring him. Especially with the injury risk attached.
Just to prove the Mets wrong. Not out of spite. But if he doesn't get moved now, teams talk. They speculate. And it will be tougher to move him in the offseason with one year only left on his deal. Throw in Boras who will probably want to renegotiate the Gomez deal with a trade. His value is at a peak now unless he absolutely goes nuts the next two months. Which is always possible with a kid like Gomez.
I don't know Shecky, I think in the offseason he could be worth more
He was by far the best fit of those readily available. Mets moved their best trading chip in Wheeler. It worked. But then it didn't. Time to move on unfortunately.
Absolutely HAVE to win today's game. Can't lose a series at home to Padres, especially after losing ground last night.
Told someone they backed out because of the hip. Brewers tried to say wheeler was the prob right after last night and now the finance thing. Hopefully the mets respond to this by getting another good player
That source said in initial talks, the Mets wanted the Brewers to take centerfielder Juan Lagares in the trade. The Brewers said no, in part because Lagares has an elbow issue but also because he has a four-year, $23 million contract extension that kicks in next year and they didn't want to pick up the money.
So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so. Link - ( New Window )
have money issues, I believe that narrative more than any other. So the Mets are hamstrung because of finances. Just makes the GM's job a little harder.
That source said in initial talks, the Mets wanted the Brewers to take centerfielder Juan Lagares in the trade. The Brewers said no, in part because Lagares has an elbow issue but also because he has a four-year, $23 million contract extension that kicks in next year and they didn't want to pick up the money.
So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so. Link - ( New Window )
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DMM - that article could be 100% factual (probably is)
and the hip could still be the issue. I just don't think Gomez makes enough $ to kill the deal over that - even for the Wilponzis. He has less than $3M left to be paid this season and next season he's scheduled to make less than all 3 Yankees starting OF'ers and both of our current corners. I don't blame Sandy at all for trying to get cash or a pick or anything in a negotiation and they did have an agreement after all. That article doesn't claim to know why the trade blew up or dispute the terms had been agreed to. Just that they asked for $.
That source said in initial talks, the Mets wanted the Brewers to take centerfielder Juan Lagares in the trade. The Brewers said no, in part because Lagares has an elbow issue but also because he has a four-year, $23 million contract extension that kicks in next year and they didn't want to pick up the money.
So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so. Link - ( New Window )
When during this process did the Brewers start informing people that the deal was done? This makes it sound like it was never close to done.
That completely contradicts the $ argument considering Gomez makes what we paid Chris Young last year and less than we gave Cuddyer. His contract is such a steal it just can't be the hold up. Can't be.
So the Brewers declined the better player in Legares, instead opting for Flores. Because of Legares very reasonable contract. Yet the deal fell through because the Mets cheated out at the last second. Time to move on, believe whichever narrative you'd like.
are two different things. We've seen (or at least heard) about their "willingness" to make deals and come up with nothing. Not shockingly, their two deals both come along with $$ and they STILL haven't increased the payroll. It would't surprise me in the least bit if they were trying to get $$ as a part of the trade and that's what made if fall apart. OR, it could also be Gomez' medicals. Who the hell knows. But I can at least see both sides where you, apparently, cannot.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
They went thru the entire process, agreed to the deal, and then pulled out over finances?
It makes no sense.
Sandy last night said 'we will not be trading for Gomez'. Not 'we're negotiating', 'it's ongoing', etc. If it was financial why would the door be closed? If it was medical, then it makes sense.
Maybe. How the hell would any of us know what the parameters were and why they backed out? It's not a secret that Gomez has underperformed this year and he's battling an injury of some type. Don't know what more the medical record could show since he has been playing all along (but it's possible that something could be there).
What we DO know is that they are (and have been) way stingy with finances and have demanded cash back with each of their trades (at the expense of their prospects). Nor have they actually spent any extra money despite all of their "willingness" to trade.
I'm not saying I'm right, but it's certainly not far-fetched. They've earned the scrutiny.
Great at drafting? IFA signing? Spent a lot before the new rules were in place?
A little of both. They do spend quite a bit on IFA's (Osuna quietly has been amazing http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/osunaro01.shtml and they do draft very well. They mix it up college/HS with upside and while it sounds funny on paper they do a fantastic job scouting Canada.
pretty wild the Blue Jays can deal 2 premium prospects in baseball + Becerra, land Donaldson and Tulo (2 elite players) and still be able to add Price (with remaining talent in the system).
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The more details I get on nixed Gomez trade, the more it sounds as if it became more financial matter than medical matter. Anyone surprised?
Maybe The deal was done and Alderson brought it to the Owner and he said no we cant afford it?
Seems very unlikely. You wouldnt say it was done and exchange medicals if ownership wouldnt allow it anyway.
More likely to me is that Boras and Melvin are on a vindictive media campaign right now. Boras is spouting nonsense like 'hey's obviously 100% healthy, he's playing!'. Tell it to Juan Lagares. And Boras has been railing about the Mets' unwillingness to spend for a few seasons now. As for Melvin, his organization looks foolish for announcing a trade that wasnt final, and he needs to protect his reputation by making sure people dont think he's been peddling damaged goods.
Just think about Haudricourt's tweet. Who is the source with the Mets who would know enough to leak that it was financial and have the motive to do it? And leak it to a Milwaukee press guy? No one. This is a two-way pile on the Mets because Boras and Melvin have a joint interest in painting this as another Wilpon folly.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
Not saying it's right or wrong but can't expect people to suddenly change their tune just because they got "close" to a deal. The deal didn't happen. Close only counts in horseshoe and hand grenades.. or whatever it is.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
The worst thing would be if he becomes yet another Jason Bay if the trade was completed.
I do think that this Gomez mess is what it looks like. The teams had a deal and the Mets likely saw something in the medical records that they didn't like. However, none of us were privy to the inner negotiations and we can only rely on what leaks through and what has happened while the Wilpons have run the Mets. Given how the Wilpons have run the team, anyone dismissing the possibility that payroll could've had something to do with this simply hasn't been paying attention IMO.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
He might remain healthy-ish but if the guy isn't stealing bases anymore, his defense is down, and he's barely hitting homeruns how much value is he to us? I understand he's still on pace to be a 3 WAR player because just about any offense in CF is extremely valuable but Lagares was a 4 WAR player last year. I was all about adding a healthy Gomez and was hoping he would bounce back to 2013-2014 levels but now I seriously doubt that will ever be the case and 2015 is the "real" Gomez or even worst.
Yes, but they knew ALL of this stuff before getting in so deep. One has to wonder what made is all change? The deal was obviously as close to done as you can get. It's not like they didn't have all of this info to begin with.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
Don't know why you are up my a$$ a lot lately. All I said is that the Mets have earned their scrutiny. Don't think that's so far fetched.
But I'll add you to the "they made two minor trades, they are awesome" crowd.
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I wondered how long it would take before media types started saying we squashed the deal due to "finances". I wonder what Shecky would have to say about that.
Well, the Mets have certainly earned that scrutiny.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez remained healthy for the rest of this year/next year (in relation to his "hip issue")
They just made two trades, completed this one pending medicals, but suddenly it's the 'finances'.
Yes, let's scrutinize this chestnut.
Don't know why you are up my a$$ a lot lately. All I said is that the Mets have earned their scrutiny. Don't think that's so far fetched.
But I'll add you to the "they made two minor trades, they are awesome" crowd.
No, they've shown a willingness lately to make deals. They are currently an active trading partner. I don't see how it makes any sense that they'd squash an agreed-to deal for a player they very much want over financing. Financing they wasn't a surprise and very straightforward.
It doesn't make any sense.
Boras is totally FOS and whether or not you believe the Mets story, Gomez has the same # of SB since June as Michael Cuddyer. If another team acquires Gomez for a premium return and says "no problem with his medical" then I'll grab my pitch fork.
It does not make any sense that they'd duck out at the last minute like MIL was hiding the contract until the last second. They knew what they were getting into financially.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
Boras is totally FOS and whether or not you believe the Mets story, Gomez has the same # of SB since June as Michael Cuddyer. If another team acquires Gomez for a premium return and says "no problem with his medical" then I'll grab my pitch fork.
While I agree with 99% of this, I think Id also need to see Gomez produce with his new team as well. If some team acquires him and says "no problem" , Id also want to see that he's not an injured mess from now until the end of the year. If he's still not stealing bases and is struggling, Ill stick with the Mets decision.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
They went thru the entire process, agreed to the deal, and then pulled out over finances?
It makes no sense.
Sandy last night said 'we will not be trading for Gomez'. Not 'we're negotiating', 'it's ongoing', etc. If it was financial why would the door be closed? If it was medical, then it makes sense.
100% agreed Shecky, I'm not buying anything from Sherman (Boras) or Brewers FO. Until another team corroborates Gomez health by dealing something good for him, I'm buying the hip problems.
What have the Mets leaked?
It was the Brewers on Twitter last night saying goodbye to Gomez. Boras was informed of the trade.
Next year is a new year and we'll have a full bevy of options to us in the off-season. We also may or not be anywhere close to contention next year. You never know. If Gomez wasn't helping us NOW, I fail to see the point in acquiring him. Especially with the injury risk attached.
Absolutely HAVE to win today's game. Can't lose a series at home to Padres, especially after losing ground last night.
So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so.
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So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so. Link - ( New Window )
Sucks, but this is the most believable story.
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So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no.
The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal.
It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records.
So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.
And I'm guessing the Brewers are none too thrilled about how this transpired, though the diplomatic Melvin would never say so. Link - ( New Window )
When during this process did the Brewers start informing people that the deal was done? This makes it sound like it was never close to done.
It's not like Gomez came in for a physical and was seen by a doctor. This is so obvious it had to do with $$$ issues.
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are two different things. We've seen (or at least heard) about their "willingness" to make deals and come up with nothing. Not shockingly, their two deals both come along with $$ and they STILL haven't increased the payroll. It would't surprise me in the least bit if they were trying to get $$ as a part of the trade and that's what made if fall apart. OR, it could also be Gomez' medicals. Who the hell knows. But I can at least see both sides where you, apparently, cannot.
This team has been overwhelmed with financial scrutiny for years. But it doesn't make sense now because YOU don't want it to? Please.
I'm not saying that I'm 100% right about it but they have certainly earned the scrutiny. Wake me up when they actually spend money.
They went thru the entire process, agreed to the deal, and then pulled out over finances?
It makes no sense.
Sandy last night said 'we will not be trading for Gomez'. Not 'we're negotiating', 'it's ongoing', etc. If it was financial why would the door be closed? If it was medical, then it makes sense.
Maybe. How the hell would any of us know what the parameters were and why they backed out? It's not a secret that Gomez has underperformed this year and he's battling an injury of some type. Don't know what more the medical record could show since he has been playing all along (but it's possible that something could be there).
What we DO know is that they are (and have been) way stingy with finances and have demanded cash back with each of their trades (at the expense of their prospects). Nor have they actually spent any extra money despite all of their "willingness" to trade.
I'm not saying I'm right, but it's certainly not far-fetched. They've earned the scrutiny.
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Or they actually found something wrong in the medical reports? Wow. lol
It's not like Gomez came in for a physical and was seen by a doctor. This is so obvious it had to do with $$$ issues.
What relevance does this have? He doesn't need to physically be there to have his medical information.
A little of both. They do spend quite a bit on IFA's (Osuna quietly has been amazing http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/osunaro01.shtml and they do draft very well. They mix it up college/HS with upside and while it sounds funny on paper they do a fantastic job scouting Canada.
They have talent to spare, aging team thogh