NFT: Yanks talk 7-30

There doesn't seem to be anyone available except Prado, and I'm not sure he's really an upgrade. His offense this season has been only marginally better than Drew, and he's a far inferior glove.

I'm not expecting a frontline starter. Think it's more likely to see a deal for a depth starter on the cheap, like the McCarthy trade last season. Maybe Mike Leake?

what the heck do they do with CC? He is almost certainly useless in relief, and will rapidly become a dead weight in a roster spot.

He'll fill the same role on the roster that Capuano did.

Taking a Leake and a dump at the same time. :-)

But it's odd to see the Cardinals panic and deal a top-100 pitching prospect for Brandon Moss, who has absolutely sucked this year. I get that they're desperate for an outfielder, but that's a really awful deal.

In comment 12393381 Greg from LI said:

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But it's odd to see the Cardinals panic and deal a top-100 pitching prospect for Brandon Moss, who has absolutely sucked this year. I get that they're desperate for an outfielder, but that's a really awful deal.

Incredibly awful

Moss was 119 OPS + last year and is a free agent. Holiday may be done for the year and their offense has been horrible.

I feel reassured that it was awful.

a team will outbid us for the front-end pitchers.

Not sure if any updates happened in the past 12 hours with regards to Matt Latos, but I would try pursuing that if it fell through.

Latos, the pick, Morse, and cash for two lower end prospects. DFA Jones in place of Morse.

But yea I have a feeling the most the Yankees get is a utility infielder (like a Prado or Zorbrist) and/or a mid-backend starter.

162, 136, 119, 91, and he's a lousy glove. As Dan mentioned in the other thread, comparable players like David DeJesus and David Murphy were traded for virtually nothing - why pay through the nose for Moss?

what's happening as closely as I would like. Is Samardzija still available? Is he a possibility for the Yanks?

so everyone knows they're desperate.

about just bringing up Serevino? He did have a 10 stike out game yesterday. Yeah I know it was in AAA. Still why see what we have with him. IT's not like he's been in A or AA.
Besides getting Price I don't see anyone out there that is gonna make a difference than what we have now. Plus we don't have to give up ANYONE in our system.

With the Twins collapsing, they still have a shot at the playoffs.

He's already thrown 99 this year and last year he threw 113. I doubt the Yankees would let him throw more than 140-150.

They have to do something there if they're serious about making a WS run. I'm not too interested in Leake though.

But what is Cashman's obsession with Dustin Ackley? I feel like we've heard about trade rumors involving him for years now. If they trade for him as the 2B solution, I'll want to go into hulk mode and break something. Ackley sucks. Can you imagine if they traded for Ackley and just left Refsnyder in the minors. That would be some nonsense.

I was coming here to say the same thing - I don't get the strange obsession with Ackley. He's terrible.

but Pinstripe Alley floated the idea of Nova being involved in a deal for a pitcher like Price. Might be attractive to Detroit who's not looking to totally rebuild. And it could keep Severino, Judge, and Bird out of a deal. Nova + Sanchez + one other piece? I'd do that, provided there's an extension window.

In comment 12393523 Greg from LI said:

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I was coming here to say the same thing - I don't get the strange obsession with Ackley. He's terrible.

Haha, I haven't checked there but I should.

And I really think Nova is a goner if and when they add another SP. I think they would absolutely move him so they can keep CC in the rotation.

There's a real chance Nova could stay healthy and make you regret dealing him, but he's just not reliable.

Greg for the info. It does put a wrench in that plan.

though very talented.

I really don't think Nova has much trade value around the league right now. I guess we'll find out soon if that's true or not.

In comment 12393443 kash94 said:

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a team will outbid us for the front-end pitchers. Not sure if any updates happened in the past 12 hours with regards to Matt Latos, but I would try pursuing that if it fell through. Latos, the pick, Morse, and cash for two lower end prospects. DFA Jones in place of Morse. But yea I have a feeling the most the Yankees get is a utility infielder (like a Prado or Zorbrist) and/or a mid-backend starter.

Look at Morse numbers how is he an upgrade over Jones?? Zobrist was traded to the royals on Tuesday

It'd be awesome to hear some Yankees trade talk on WFAN, the home of the Yankees, but they've talked Mets for an entire hour now without even mentioning the Yankees. Let's see how long this lasts.

In comment 12393559 ilikethenygiants said:

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It'd be awesome to hear some Yankees trade talk on WFAN, the home of the Yankees, but they've talked Mets for an entire hour now without even mentioning the Yankees. Let's see how long this lasts.

Same shit happens in relation to the Jets/Giants talk there, as well. It's a joke in both cases. Fuck those teams.

But if you leave out his rather good rookie stats, here's what he's done since 2011:

394 games, 1679 ABs, .236/.298/.359. He can't hit. What's the attraction?

is awful

...I understand the frustration but the Yankees winning and not having a major need is business as usual. The Mets are usually sellers at this point. The hosts are usually Mets and Jets fans.

I am listening to the MLB channel on Sirius/XM. It's more of a national view but at least it's a variety.

I am surprised they are off of their deflated balls subject.

In comment 12393563 Greg from LI said:

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But if you leave out his rather good rookie stats, here's what he's done since 2011: 394 games, 1679 ABs, .236/.298/.359. He can't hit. What's the attraction?

On par with Drew but younger?

What I don't understand is why you'd trade for Ackley but won't give Refsnyder an opportunity. I doubt he hits any worse than Ackley, and he won't cost anything since he's already in the system.

the way Didi has rebounded from his lousy start has vindicated Cashman's teams evaluation of him. The guy he gave up for Didi has busted out and young SS's are hard to find. So kudos to Cashman for Didi and Shreve. Eovaldi has done what they acquired him to do start every 5th day and keep them in games. Wilson has been good out of the pen too. Young has been shockingly good against LH pitching. The good out weighing the bad so far for most of the off season moves and it sure didn't look that way in mid May. So kudos for staying the course to Cashman and mostly good moves. It's been a terrific season so far. But he seems to have a blind spot for bad LH 2B's. First Drew and now a younger version of Drew in Ackley? Although only 27 years old and last year 99 OPS +. Much better on the road than at home and way better vs RH pitching than LH. Maybe he thinks getting him out of Safeco and away from the Mariners might fix him?

makes no sense minus his ability to play multiple positions. It's not even like he does this at a high rate.

They apparently rejected a deal for Flores? If they honestly want more than them there's no way they should continue to pursue.

Also you can't even make the Safeco Field argument with him as he's hitting better at home this season I think - he's just not a very good player.

.243/.301/.360 at home, .243/.310/.372 on the road. Either way, not worth bothering with.

Home: .252/.282/.420
Road: .149/.250/.269

He's Drew minus the fielding and power

In comment 12393507 Greg from LI said:

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He's already thrown 99 this year and last year he threw 113. I doubt the Yankees would let him throw more than 140-150.

I don't think that Severino is in the plans this year at all reguardless of how well he is doing. Next season should be the season of Severino.

Toronto is the team malking the big push before 4pm tomm.

still in it but Toronto is the team making the biggest push.

Padres also looking to unload 4 to 5 players over the next 24 hours.

There's no way in hell Price is going to re-sign with them, and the cost is going to be fairly steep anyway with so many teams in the bidding. If they manage to outbid the Dodgers, it will be because they're gutting their farm system to do it. So, in the end, they'll be throwing everything into this season, when they're sitting at .500 at the end of July. That's some ace strategy there.

Could be a huge mess very soon, so I also think they will add a pitcher like Leake, and I think they will use Nova to go get him. I also think they will add a bullpen arm so that they can put Warren back into the rotation if needed, and I also see them calling up Severino, I think these are the type moves the yanks will make and should make. If you think about it, I am not confident at all in Nova being effective down the stretch, I also have little confidence that both Tanaka and Pineda will also make it, and would be thrilled if one of them make it, and we must replace Sabathia. So wee could be looking at a rotation of Tanaka, Leake, Eovaldi, Warren, and Pineda or Sabathia. I would be Ok with a top 4 like that.

But that's it. He's not going to be a significant part of the staff this year.

is apparently done...nothing yet on the return...

Norris is the big catch. Boyd is a meh prospect who got absolutely hammered in his brief MLB debut earlier this year. Never heard of Alford.

Surprising that the Dodgers didn't top this deal, as they easily have the resources to do so.

Price to the Blue Jays

...a.k.a Alex Anthopoulos desperately trying to save his job by winning this year.

In comment 12393857 Greg from LI said:

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Norris is the big catch. Boyd is a meh prospect who got absolutely hammered in his brief MLB debut earlier this year. Never heard of Alford. Surprising that the Dodgers didn't top this deal, as they easily have the resources to do so.

I have a feeling the Dodgers and Yankees are serious about not parting with their top prospects. Toronto was willing to do that and Norris is a legit number 1 prospect. I'm more surprised that Houston didn't top that.

they might catch us now. Oh well. Hope these prospects turn out to be great players.

Bautista
Encarnacion
Martin
Donaldson
Dickey
Buehrle


Adding Tulo and Price makes alot of sense.

why cap his innings in a year you have a chance to win the World Series? Especially since there is zero correlation to innings and arm injuries. If they refuse to trade him why not use him? If they call him up now he makes what 10 starts? 60 innings? That's such a big deal?

They're still not a great team by any stretch of the imagination. They have 60 games to make up 7. If the Yankees go 31-31 to finish the season, Toronto has to go 37-23 to catch them. They have to morph from a .500 team to a .620 team overnight. Does adding Price and Tulowitzki do that? Maybe, but the odds are against them.

In comment 12393880 Dave in Hoboken said:

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they might catch us now. Oh well. Hope these prospects turn out to be great players.

Yanks have hit DP pretty well the last few times they have played him. I would have liked to have had Price, but not at the cost of a couple of the highly regarded prospects.

means we were not getting Hamels or Price. If that was the assessment then i'm fine with it. Overpaying for arms that my soon fall off isn't ideal.

Let's see Cashman steal a couple of solid pieces for the run.

- Pineda & Nova are hurt.

Hope we can put more distance between us and them. But they definitely got alittle bit better. Should be interesting. Pirce would've put this team over the top, though. Oh well. Gotta do it what they have now. Tanaka and Pineda leading the rotation into the postseason.. *shrug*

he heard Pineda going to DL with elbow issues.

come off after this year. The PED twins after next year. Tulo, Martin & Donaldson are all signed long term. They'll have money to sign Price if they can convince him to stay. The Rogers family can compete with anyone if they want to.

Was fun while it lasted. Hopefully they throw innings caps out the window now.

So they're going to let all those guys walk and replace them with....who?

why wouldn't he be?

In comment 12393915 davek3698 said:

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he heard Pineda going to DL with elbow issues.

Nothing about this has surfaced online yet. Link?

reports it

That's why he is numbah one!

Nobody else with this terrible news and Sweeny was just on WFAN.

In comment 12393934 Greg from LI said:

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reports it

Then it will be old news.

Supposedly done deal to the Jays
Link - ( New Window )

can be replaced them with several FA's. If they want to keep the PED twins they'll resign them or they'll sign someone else. There's no down side to adding an ace and an excellent SS to the best offense in MLB.

I can't wait until you take another extended hiatus, Randal.

still using the preview of Pineda starting the series finale in Texas.

not a good few hours for the Yankees...

Assuming Baltimore can't catchup, Blue Jays would have to go like 38 and 22 down the stretch and Yankees would have to go 31 and 31 for them to catch up which would be tough but maybe doable now.

I think Blue Jays are hoping they can get the wild card and now with an ace like Price, win the playoff game and go from there.

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On another note, Price deal this offseason will be absurd. Schezer just got 7 years 210 and Price is
1- younger
2- lefty
3- a bigger track record (more successful seasons + playing in the AL East).

Maybe 7 years 240?

and Price and Hamels were both available. Wow.

These contracts are just going to get bigger and bigger until they do something about it.

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wailing. But sure, let's wait.

Pineda and Nova may be hurt. No Hamels or Price. Let's be unconventional and add another piece to the back end. Let's go get Chapman and win backwards.

Severino, Bird and Wade. No thanks.

Now can we get confirmation on Pineda and Nova?

confirming Pineda but nothing about Nova. Not sure if they're just all sourcing Francessa though

that short dark angry place where anything popular is the anti christ and any league average player who has a successful night against any NY team is a crime against humanity is acquiring Tulo and Price a bad thing.

GaryFL, Randal Graves, Monty Burns, this one....which ones am I missing?

next 62 games should be fun with 13 against the Blue Jays. Lots of playoff atmosphere baseball

I did say that it doesn't guarantee them anything and that it's likely that Price waltzes out of town after this season, so that they gave up a couple of top prospects for two months of Price.

that CC will pitch today and Pineda is scratched which would confirm the injury. Not sure how reputable though

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says no confirmation on DL, etc but it's a forearm injury not a shoulder injury and not nearly as serious.

I don't think we'll get a full report until after deadline tomorrow maybe. Anything the Yankees release could be used as leverage for teams they're negotiating for pitchers with

CC for LaPorta, Brantley, Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson. Considered a steep price for a rental it turned out to be worth the cost overall because CC made that big a difference.

it's impossible to gauge in advance.

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Bryan Mitchell will replace Pineda. He was slated to start Tuesday at one point but got hurt in a weightlifting accident

Tanaka is a bulldog even when his stuff is off. Evoldi is OK lately but not exactly a stopper out there...

Just hang in there. The offense needs to keep it up.

because two of those guys don't seem to be very good at all. Toronto hasn't made the playoffs since 1993. Seems like they're trying to change that. While the Yankees are trying to reduce payroll directed from ownership and prove they can build a farm system so the GM can "write his own story". One team is trying to win this year. One team has other longer term priorities. When the Yankees had a big financial advantage to buy up IFA's they didn't do it. Now that prospects are totally over valued the Yankees are holding on to theirs. Hopefully some of these golden prospects become at least every day players.

to be acquired today. We'll be fine. Riding the Rod.

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In comment 12394058 RasputinPrime said:

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CC for LaPorta, Brantley, Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson. Considered a steep price for a rental it turned out to be worth the cost overall because CC made that big a difference. it's impossible to gauge in advance.

Yeah that World Series the Brewers won with CC was... wait a minute...

In comment 12394071 RasputinPrime said:

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to be acquired today. We'll be fine. Riding the Rod.

No, I think they give Moreno at least another shot after Tuesday's performance- maybe they skip a Nova start and let Moreno pitch.

and I do think they'll get a back end rotation guy, they could go with a

Tanaka
Nova
CC
Eovaldi
Warren

and then use some combinations of youngsters such as Mitchell, Serverino, and Moreno to soak up innings and skip Nova starts until he feels good. Then Pineda can come back and they can adjust accordingly

In comment 12394112 rich in DC said:

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In comment 12394071 RasputinPrime said: Quote: to be acquired today. We'll be fine. Riding the Rod. No, I think they give Moreno at least another shot after Tuesday's performance- maybe they skip a Nova start and let Moreno pitch.

Maybe this was the reason Moreno was kept up after his performance the other night.

Who knows - no one expecting anything from Greene last year either, and then they were all pissed when he was traded.

Which, in retrospect, is hilarious.

is set to take off. He keeps working on that split-finger pitch and the more he throws it, the better the results. He may be a solid number 3 for us. That really just means we need to keep Tanaka and Pineda healthy and manage the rest. For me, to do that, adding a solid back-end reliever would go a long way.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Many in industry sense #Yankees are poised to strike. Looking into all available arms, as they always do. Generally a team that moves late.
30 July

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 5s5 seconds ago
Pineda has Grade 1 forearm strain. Same as Miller, who missed a month. Being put on DL, but #Yankees feel he will pitch again this yr

In comment 12394175 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 5s5 seconds ago Pineda has Grade 1 forearm strain. Same as Miller, who missed a month. Being put on DL, but #Yankees feel he will pitch again this yr

Well we will find out just how deep the system is over the next month either because they step up or because we use them to acquire someone today to step up.

he's been not great this year, and was hurt early but he's been a real solid pitcher for 2 years prior to this in Seattle. Leake is another guy to look at as has been mentioned. The Mariners are an interesting team to watch over the next 24 hours. Is pretty much anyone not named King Felix,Cruz or Taijuan Walker on the block?

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 35s36 seconds ago
Sense get from #Yankees is as likely to add rlvr to deepen pen to help rotation. NYY seems even hesitant to move the Warrens and Mitchells

the last decade. True much of the time they haven't had the prospects to compete on the trade market. They do now however and he's being prudent. People would say it's a no brainer to throw guys like Warren/Mitchell out there but you have to decide is the guy you are getting really more helpful than them right now? Warren has been pretty damn effective this year.

between Mitchell/Warren and a trade target is very expensive in terms of prospects.

trade for a decent reliever, move Warren back to being a starter, and roll the dice...

Not sure what they gave up yet.

What the hell is the obsession Cashman has for a piece of garbage like Ackley????

Yikes.

......

I wouldn't trade a used kleenex for that guy.

Please tell me the Ackley thing is a joke. Seriously.

Seems like an only slightly better version of Drew who can also play some left field, which we don't really need. And what happens with Drew?

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 35s35 seconds ago
#Yankees were going to have 40-man roster crunch with LH-hit OFs/RH rlvrs this winter, so Flores/Ramirez depart #Mariners

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 3m3 minutes ago
Bet #Yankees see Ackley as change of scenery guy whose LH swing plays at Yankee Stadium. #Mariners

But seriously, TWO players for a festering pile of dung like Ackley?

Safeco isn't why his numbers suck - he's actually much worse on the road this year. His numbers suck because HE SUCKS. He can't fucking hit.

we'll see Ackley splitting time with Drew there instead. And Refsnyder won't get another chance at 2B until next year... maybe. You never know with the way this franchise handles minor leaguers. This really pisses me off.

Ackley at Yankee Stadium: 17 games, .296/.397/.481, 2 HR, 9 RBI.

Probably means nothing. I don't get it, but neither Flores nor Ramirez had a future here. We just have so many outfield and relief prospects.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20s21 seconds ago
Not sure how Ackley fits on current roster unless #Yankees have injury haven't announced or trade lined up for someone like Garrett Jones

pitcher. Makes no sense otherwise. It still doesn't make much sense from the standpoint that Ackley is utterly worthless, but that's beside the point.

changed his swing at some point last year and was AWESOME... then sucked again.

It's time for the young blood to come up

Just incomprehensible.

the priorities have changed. It's actually a better business plan. But I hope they're right about the talent level of the guys they're insisting on keeping. From Sherman:

[quoteThe Yankees were faced with the question of how much to strip of that for 12 starts of Price, plus the postseason. Steinbrenner has quarantined Aaron Judge, Greg Bird and Luis Severino at Triple-A and A-ball shortstop Jorge Mateo � who just might be the Yankees� best prospects. And executives from other teams say Cashman is being protective of even more than that. The idea is not to be so gung-ho for a title now that you damage your near future.[/quote]

Ackley will hackley.

Sad to see a guy like Flores go but he didn't have upside to do more than play AAA for us. Ramirez just wasn't able to harness his stuff.

Fine with the deal. Maybe Ackley helps and he didn't cost anything.

In comment 12394519 illmatic said:

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we'll see Ackley splitting time with Drew there instead. And Refsnyder won't get another chance at 2B until next year... maybe. You never know with the way this franchise handles minor leaguers. This really pisses me off.

Can't see Ackley splitting time with Drew as they are both LH hitters. Splitting time with Ryan, yes. Which leaves Drew exactly where?

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It might be Jones who is going.

brought in a big contract guy to play 2B so Ackley was pushed out. They only owe that guy 194 million after this year.

doesn't really bring much but I'm more interested in how they'll make room for him. DFA Jones probably makes the most sense

Let's bring in someone hitting just as poorly to replace him!

Cashman sees Ackley more of a 1B/OF bench guy than a 2b considering how few games he's played there recently. Hope this is the case as I'm not sure why Refsnyder isn't being given a shot.

They're absolutely god awful as an OF. I have no idea what he's trying to do with Ackley or why he has wanted him so badly for like the past three years now. Flores would have been better as a fifth OF if that's what he's supposed to be. Drew, as crazy as it is to say, is probably a better overall 2B than Ackley is/would be. Garrett Jones pretty much has the same stats as him if he's supposed to be the new backup 1B. And Jones has played a lot more 1B than Ackley has. I think Ackley has only played there... 17 times in his career. I just don't get it.

In comment 12394587 kash94 said:

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Cashman sees Ackley more of a 1B/OF bench guy than a 2b considering how few games he's played there recently. Hope this is the case as I'm not sure why Refsnyder isn't being given a shot.

Ackley played some 1B in college, I believe, but he is a right-handed fielder so I don't see the attraction to playing him at 1B in MLB. Jones despite his flaws is at least a decent defensive 1B.

said he wont be played as the primary 2nd baseman, but rather all of the field. Still likes Drew there.

I was feeling so nostalgic for the Lyle Overbay era.

-Forgot that Andrew Bailey is on the Yankees recovering from surgery in AA right now. Perhaps an option for the bullpen down the stretch.

-Nick Goody and Bryan Mitchell being called up to replace Pineda and Moreno (I think?). Yankees suddenly now have 2 new relievers and a new starter last few days.

-Warren
-Goody
-Cotham
-Miller
-Shreve
-Betances
-Miller

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Assuming Moreno was sent down for Goody

rather than Moreno which makes sense I guess (per YES)

In comment 12394664 kash94 said:

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rather than Moreno which makes sense I guess (per YES)

Cotham was mainly relieving at SWB, and Moreno was mainly starting, so maybe Moreno replaces Pineda in the rotation.

In comment 12394632 kash94 said:

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-Warren -Goody -Cotham -Miller -Shreve -Betances -Miller -- Assuming Moreno was sent down for Goody

Justin Wilson (instead of 2 Miller's)

In comment 12394679 bitterblue said:

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In comment 12394632 kash94 said: Quote: -Warren -Goody -Cotham -Miller -Shreve -Betances -Miller -- Assuming Moreno was sent down for Goody Justin Wilson (instead of 2 Miller's)

Right - thanks!

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 31s31 seconds ago
We'll talk to Girardi soon, but I'm told by someone that the plan is to use Ackley at second base. Hmmm. Perhaps Drew is on the move?

as their Brock Holt. We are going to need two utility players who can be plugged in all over of the field as we get into the second half of the season. At least Young continues to make it easy to give Beltran a rest against LHP.

promoted to AAA. Maybe he could reach the MLB in 2 weeks or so?

He's been pretty meh to awful last two years (2012 + 2013) but has apparently looked excellent so far and was great in 2009 and 2010 - let's see.

with this lineup:

Tulo
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Colabello
Martin
Pillar
Goins
Pompey

Price