- Talks with MIL went on all day, Flores never entered into conversations until after game started.
- Milwaukee was extremely aggressive shopping Gomez.
- Deal was never agreed to when it got leaked. (don't know who leaked it)
- When it got to medicals the Mets saw something and doctors said "no way"
- Brewers still wanted to deal, Mets didn't, Brewers got upset with Mets
- Francesa hearing money stuff not true, Lagares never in deal
- Deal blew up for 1 reason - Gomez health
- Biggest problem with Mets was leaving Flores out there
- They need to turn around and get another player, only way to fix this
- Milwaukee is no longer a possibility to deal with (Parra out)
- Cespedes is not 1 of their options
- 2 offensive options out there they are trying to obtain (doesn't know who they are, CarGonz, Upton, Reddick)
- Talks with MIL went on all day, Flores never entered into conversations until after game started.
- Milwaukee was extremely aggressive shopping Gomez.
- Deal was never agreed to when it got leaked. (don't know who leaked it)
- When it got to medicals the Mets saw something and doctors said "no way"
- Brewers still wanted to deal, Mets didn't, Brewers got upset with Mets
- Francesa hearing money stuff not true, Lagares never in deal
- Deal blew up for 1 reason - Gomez health
- Biggest problem with Mets was leaving Flores out there
- They need to turn around and get another player, only way to fix this
- Milwaukee is no longer a possibility to deal with (Parra out)
- Cespedes is not 1 of their options
- 2 offensive options out there they are trying to obtain (doesn't know who they are, CarGonz, Upton, Reddick)
Thanks for re-capping. Pretty much exactly what I thought.
If 1 of those 2 don't pan out then I could see Coco Crisp as a waiver deal sometime in August if comes back and shows he's healthy. Beane and Alderson each noted how easy it was dealing with each other.
Based on the previous statement, the long shot prayer acquisition would be Reddick, assuming the Mets think he can play some CF. Don't think Beane will want to deal him, but perhaps he'll try to seize an opportunity to go after Wheeler and Nimmo? Not sure I'd do that personally, but an interesting thought.
I found that Carmel car service commercial hysterical...
Uribe was a 10x better acquisition than Cuddyer and I don't think it's even close. He's been a near .300 hitter/.750 OPS guy on good teams with great defense for the past few seasons. Same age, less injury issues. Obviously only made sense after the season started when Wright went out.
Please keep the reminders that Cadaver is on the roster
Uribe was a 10x better acquisition than Cuddyer and I don't think it's even close. He's been a near .300 hitter/.750 OPS guy on good teams with great defense for the past few seasons. Same age, less injury issues. Obviously only made sense after the season started when Wright went out.
yeah but he didn't know David Wright pre-facial hair so he doesn't get the big loot like Cuddy! lol
I think at this point in a candid moment Sandy would admit his offseason was beyond atrocious. Made 1 move for an injury prone guy past his prime from Coors AND gave up a 1st round pick for him. Meanwhile now we hear:
- Extremely cautious on all medicals (Gomez)
- Not interested in the other CarGo (numbers away from Coors)
- Looking for players beyond this year (not rentals, which are usually who's avail at deadline)
Defense has been more than solid and he's taken some really good AB's. Fouls balls off and makes contact. If they can get him into the 8th spot I have no issues with him starting rest of the way. Cecchini should be up at AAA soon enough anyways.
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I think he knew that Cuddyer was unjustifiable, but the organization felt that it needed to do something and that cost aside he could be a good piece.
Not surprising that there is a new found hyper-sensitivity to injuries. We've been killed this year. Wright, Lagares, Cuddyer and TDA all hurt -- going into the season, werent they 4 of our 5 top position players? You need some guys without red flags.
Actually considered a top notch clubhouse guy. Good energy, A's players hated seeing him go. Just circumstance.. Dealt for Lester, dealt because the Red Sox had 6 OF and loved getting a youngish SP for him (gave 88 million extension) and now can't be offered a QO and will get 120+ as a FA
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I mentioned this before. Team that acquires Cespedes (if traded) has until five days after the WS to resign him. Then he is gone, done, can't be resigned. Not a typical rental in that aspect.
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I think he knew that Cuddyer was unjustifiable, but the organization felt that it needed to do something and that cost aside he could be a good piece.
Not surprising that there is a new found hyper-sensitivity to injuries. We've been killed this year. Wright, Lagares, Cuddyer and TDA all hurt -- going into the season, werent they 4 of our 5 top position players? You need some guys without red flags.
The injuries haven't been much worse than previous years, the difference is the games mean something this year so they're more noticeable I suppose. Wright, Cuddyer, TdA have all battled injuries. Other than Wheeler rotation has actually been remarkably healthy.
I think Sandy wanted to see progress before making big commitments knowing how tight the budget is. I don't fault him for that at all but I do think they cheaped out a little bit around the margins of the 25 man and could have used some of their resources wiser. Non-tendering Gee/Parnell would have saved almost 10M alone (or not holding out for prices teams weren't paying via trade).
That's why it's important to look at velocity and K rate when it comes to certain pitchers. Parnell's ERA was good, but his stuff was clearly hindered by lack of velocity and he wasn't exactly striking guys out at his pre-TJ rate.
Hopefully we finally get good news on Blevins and can get him back in 2 weeks or so.
And I'd rather a million dollars but c'mon that's not happening lol Osuna has been dominant in his age 20 season and Pillar has already been worth 2.1 WAR. We couldn't get either of them let alone both.
Could definitely use another arm, but they adding Price and Tulo are 2 massive moves. I'd guess they will look to get a 4/5 starter relatively cheap at this point vs. giving up another big asset.
And I'd rather a million dollars but c'mon that's not happening lol Osuna has been dominant in his age 20 season and Pillar has already been worth 2.1 WAR. We couldn't get either of them let alone both.
I know, can't hurt to ask, maybe add another "piece".
the Blue Jays aren't trading their starting CF for Jon Niese and Osuna is 20, has been dominant and signed for a long long time. Unless the other "piece" is something ridiculous like Matz why would they even consider this? They are clearly trying to win a WS in 2015.
the Blue Jays aren't trading their starting CF for Jon Niese and Osuna is 20, has been dominant and signed for a long long time. Unless the other "piece" is something ridiculous like Matz why would they even consider this? They are clearly trying to win a WS in 2015.
Didn't realize Pillar had 2.1 war, so i guess that's not happening.
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#Mets are open to anything after Gomez deal fell apart. So wouldnt rule out much before tomorrow at 4 p.m. Working down to wire.
RE: RE: the Mets bullpen is ranked 5th in baseball
giving up anything of value for Castro. One of the most overrated players in baseball.
Given his salary even Cuddyer for Castro ends up being "meh". At his salary he's a "big" addition to the Mets payroll at 10, 11, 12 for 17, 18, 19 and he's been TERRIBLE, also terrible in 2013 and off field issues. I'm a gambler but pass.
Familia dealing in the bottom of the 9th, and the game is called in the MIDDLE of the LAST batter? Then the manager goes to the SAME reliever after a 40 minute wait? LOL
I seriously can't take this team anymore. Kick in the fucking balls after kick in the fucking balls. I hate the Mets so much and I hate that I root for them. I really do.
whenever this godforsaken game resumes. Talk about screwing the pooch. This past 20 hours has been an embarrassment. Not all their own doing, but they certainly took the opportunity to make things worse when they got the chance.
are ridiculous. Clippard was used when he was supposed to be, who exactly was Collins going to use that gave you confidence?
No idea honestly. I don't really fault him for Familia going back out having only thrown 4 pitches. Just a shitty situation from Parnell to the umps to the weather. We are literally cursed.
and think it can't get worse and you go through the last 24 hours, you ask yourself is it worth it? It is like signing up for a world of hurt in what is supposed to be a diversion from the real world hurt you deal with
very rarely do you see play suspended in the middle of an atbat
are ridiculous. Clippard was used when he was supposed to be, who exactly was Collins going to use that gave you confidence?
I don't want to speak for others, but for me it was the decision to go back to Familia after 40 minutes
And use whom exactly? Carlos Torres who reportedly was almost DFA'ed 10 days ago? Alex Torres one of the worst relievers in baseball? Collins wouldn't be blasted for that not working out?
RE: very rarely do you see play suspended in the middle of an atbat
rain like when they resumed play? Had it stopped or just calmed down?
I can't blame the Umps for stopping play, but to resume and then just stop again five minutes later is pathetic unless the rain had significantly subsided.
And if Gilmartin blows it or gives up a hit then everyone goes "WTF, Gilmartin? Why not go with your best arm!". Gilmartin since the all-star break 4 games 5.06 era 1.69 whip. This is ridiculously unfair criticism. If there were a clear guy (Mejia, Clippard etc), 100% fair. He had NOTHING.
are ridiculous. Clippard was used when he was supposed to be, who exactly was Collins going to use that gave you confidence?
I don't want to speak for others, but for me it was the decision to go back to Familia after 40 minutes
And use whom exactly? Carlos Torres who reportedly was almost DFA'ed 10 days ago? Alex Torres one of the worst relievers in baseball? Collins wouldn't be blasted for that not working out?
rain like when they resumed play? Had it stopped or just calmed down?
I can't blame the Umps for stopping play, but to resume and then just stop again five minutes later is pathetic unless the rain had significantly subsided.
They knew they had about 10 minutes but with 1 out left they "hoped' that would be enough.
And if Gilmartin blows it or gives up a hit then everyone goes "WTF, Gilmartin? Why not go with your best arm!". Gilmartin since the all-star break 4 games 5.06 era 1.69 whip. This is ridiculously unfair criticism. If there were a clear guy (Mejia, Clippard etc), 100% fair. He had NOTHING.
Again, it was the 40 minute part that I have issue with. Tough to get warm again after such a long layoff
5 out of 6 batters yesterday. The guy has a 2.82 FIP and a 0.4 WAR in only a little over 30 innings and he seems to actually be getting better. Your right though, people would have probably been pissed either way but I dont think is customary for relievers to break mid inning for 40 minutes and come back. I think we are all just pissed off though.
out the atbat. I was watching the game, they could have finished the atbat. It was crappy to suspend the game 2 strikes from the (potential) win. Maybe he still gives up the hit...but he was dealing at that point. Forget everything that happened after.
5 out of 6 batters yesterday. The guy has a 2.82 FIP and a 0.4 WAR in only a little over 30 innings and he seems to actually be getting better. Your right though, people would have probably been pissed either way but I dont think is customary for relievers to break mid inning for 40 minutes and come back. I think we are all just pissed off though.
Cool and 2 games ago against the Dodgers Gilmartin faced 3 batters, allowed 3 hits, 2 runs. This isn't about trashing Gilmartin either. It's about there was no "great" or clear option here. No win.
out the atbat. I was watching the game, they could have finished the atbat. It was crappy to suspend the game 2 strikes from the (potential) win. Maybe he still gives up the hit...but he was dealing at that point. Forget everything that happened after.
Yeah, goddam ridiculous to call it during the at-bat. What changed in the fifteen seconds the at-bat started?
sample. Thats almost as bad as me referencing Nimmo in AAA yesterday. Giving up one run would totally skew that.
The point was there was nobody "worth arguing over". It's not as if Gilmartin is Clippard or Gilmartin is Mejia. He's a solid enough extra arm who JUST had a horrible game against the Dodgers. it wasn't like Terry passed on some good option.
sample. Thats almost as bad as me referencing Nimmo in AAA yesterday. Giving up one run would totally skew that.
The point was there was nobody "worth arguing over". It's not as if Gilmartin is Clippard or Gilmartin is Mejia. He's a solid enough extra arm who JUST had a horrible game against the Dodgers. it wasn't like Terry passed on some good option.
It really just depends if Familia was capable of cooling down and warming back up again after a layoff. Many pitchers cant and if he is one of them, my 93 year old grandmother would have been a better option.
almost have to consider calling up some of the "better" arms and trying them in the pen. problem is a guy like Fulmer has health issues in the past. But this can't continue.
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
out the atbat. I was watching the game, they could have finished the atbat. It was crappy to suspend the game 2 strikes from the (potential) win. Maybe he still gives up the hit...but he was dealing at that point. Forget everything that happened after.
Yeah, goddam ridiculous to call it during the at-bat. What changed in the fifteen seconds the at-bat started?
i see the mets trading the rights to Mejia to the Angles for Mike Trout,
and in the first inning of his first game as a Met, he gets zapped with a rogue bolt of lightening
But this is the kind of loss and week that sends a team into an eternal plummet.
Nats gained another game today if we lose with the possibility of increasing the lead even further this weekend. Slippery slope right now with confidence being at an all-time low.
I can't e er recall a pitcher coming back out after a significant rain delay. I'm sure it's been done, but I just can't remember ever seeing it
And obviously hindsight is 20-20
But you can't blow a 7-1 lead in a pennant race, especially against a poor hitting team like the Padres. We can all question or defend each of the pitching moves. But the point is that you can't let that happen. Not if you expect to be a contender
i dont know why Terry would put Familia back out there
I can't e er recall a pitcher coming back out after a significant rain delay. I'm sure it's been done, but I just can't remember ever seeing it
And obviously hindsight is 20-20
But you can't blow a 7-1 lead in a pennant race, especially against a poor hitting team like the Padres. We can all question or defend each of the pitching moves. But the point is that you can't let that happen. Not if you expect to be a contender
I despise Collins but you can't fault him for bringing Familia back in.
I can and do fault him for yanking Niese prematurely. He had another inning in him easy. The man costs his team games they should be winning. This is three games in the last 10 outings his questionable decisions have lost us a critical game in a playoff race.
There is nothing we can do about it this year but please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD replace this loser. He is holding this club back.
Also FUCK Mejia. Trade his ass for a bucket of chum.
My Uncle in SD was saying something about the Pads broadcast explaining they might not get credit for the top of the 9th? And I don't think this is correct.
I honestly have no idea how the new rainout rules work.
"If the home team is ahead by two runs when the players are pulled off the field, but the visiting team scores two runs in the top of the next inning before the players are pulled, the game is suspended and picked up at a later date from the point when the rain came."
My Uncle in SD was saying something about the Pads broadcast explaining they might not get credit for the top of the 9th? And I don't think this is correct.
I honestly have no idea how the new rainout rules work.
"If the home team is ahead by two runs when the players are pulled off the field, but the visiting team scores two runs in the top of the next inning before the players are pulled, the game is suspended and picked up at a later date from the point when the rain came."
My understanding is that, if suspended, the game will be resumed in the bottom of the ninth. if They never started the ninth, then the Mets would have won if they called the game.
Would be nice if the Padres just forfeited so they don't have to make the trip on an off day at the end of the season.
the Padres forfeited it would be one of the lowest moments in baseball history and truly sickening and I say that as a fan of the team that would profit.
after 5 complete innings the game reverted back to the last full inning, or in this case the 8th inning and is declared final. So it's just like Familia never pitched and the end of the 8th is the end of the game.
...is holding hope we can win it in the bottom of the 9th? The worst loss of the year is going to sting double because we have conceded the loss. We are going to take the field and then go through the emotions of losing again.
after 5 complete innings the game reverted back to the last full inning, or in this case the 8th inning and is declared final. So it's just like Familia never pitched and the end of the 8th is the end of the game.
like some says the SD broadcast team reported.
Nope. Rubin posted the rules. It's considered suspended under the rules.
RE: RE: If we trade for Upton and the game has to be resumed at a later date
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
I think (but could very well be wrong) that he would have to play the game as a Padre, since he was a Padre on the day of the original game (would apply no matter what team he is traded to). Their roster would have to be what it was on that date (same deal if Padres trade other players). Thought I remember reading that years ago.
Very possible I mis-read that, or they have changed it since...
the Padres forfeited it would be one of the lowest moments in baseball history and truly sickening and I say that as a fan of the team that would profit.
It would never happen. I was really just joking anyway. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that.
after 5 complete innings the game reverted back to the last full inning, or in this case the 8th inning and is declared final. So it's just like Familia never pitched and the end of the 8th is the end of the game.
like some says the SD broadcast team reported.
Nope. Rubin posted the rules. It's considered suspended under the rules.
LOL, I was in the car headed to a wedding in VT. I didn't know they resumed the game, Familia came back in and gave up a 3R HR to lose the lead. I thought there was still 2 outs in the top of the 9th. So the resumed the game long enough for that and then delayed it again? that's some sick karma there.
WTF. I guess at this point you have to laugh.
Maybe Flores gets a PH GW HR?
RE: RE: RE: If we trade for Upton and the game has to be resumed at a later date
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
I think (but could very well be wrong) that he would have to play the game as a Padre, since he was a Padre on the day of the original game (would apply no matter what team he is traded to). Their roster would have to be what it was on that date (same deal if Padres trade other players). Thought I remember reading that years ago.
Very possible I mis-read that, or they have changed it since...
Didn't this happen once before - a guy playing for both teams in the same game due to a suspended game?
The only way for this game to properly end is a Flores walk-off homer, reversed by replay #Mets
Gary- "What a crazy 24 hours this has been for both Flores and the team"
Ron- "It appears Padres manager Pat Murphy is discussing something with the umpires"
Gary- "not exactly clear what is being discussed, they are pointing to the area around home plate"
Gary- "Wow! Flores being called out! Home plate umpire Mike Everitt is saying Flores foot was outside of the batters box when he swung"
The more I read, the more I really believe the Gomez thing was purely financial. The Brewers wouldn't take on money and the Mets balked. The hip stuff sounds fucking bogus. Heyman said Gomez was already told his hip was fine.
is the way to go. Like the 300 Victor Cruz threads with people refusing to believe he is healed until he is on the field. Yeah, invest Wheeler on Gomez's word, smart business
I despise the Wilponsis and clearly feel the payroll is a serious issue for them. That said I believe Gomez hip could be bad. Compare his base running stats over his career. Something isn't kosher.
It might be his groin or something else but it really doesn't sound like anything is wrong with his hip. It has been said a few times that he was already given assurances it was fine.
And the guy is playing every day. It's not like Cadaver where he literally couldn't even be on the field or do anything but pinch hit and snail the basepaths.
I despise the Wilponsis and clearly feel the payroll is a serious issue for them. That said I believe Gomez hip could be bad. Compare his base running stats over his career. Something isn't kosher.
It's not even just the stolen bases either. His defense is down. His power is down. Something's not right with the guy.
You throw the credibility of your Doctors out of the window? When a Team doctor says I never saw his medicals or his medicals were clean and I let Wilpon make me the fall guy. I'll apologize to you
These doctors? They don't HAVE any fucking credibility. Timetables have been incorrect on every single injured player this year and we've had these issues forever now. Every single player has setbacks and misses more time. Every one.
I think there was one injury this year that was diagnosed with the correct timetable and that was Herrera.
How can anyone trust the medical opinions that come from this franchise? I know I don't.
Whatever, I'm just so sick of everything that comes along with this garbage franchise. If it was possible for me to bail and root for someone else, I would have done it years ago. It's just not in my DNA.
For once I believe the Mets are serious in their attempts to add a bat. Gomez fits their profile. He's only costing $9M for 2016. That's exactly the bargain prices these cheapskates like. This is just far too public a situation with terrible PR consequences. These slimeballs like to deal their dirt quietly in the shadows. Not in plain sight.
Pay attention. This isn't an isolated circumstance with this guy. He has mismanaged the pitching staff and BP in particular since he got to NY. Three times since the All Star Beak alone. He is directly responsible for questionable decisions that cost us games. A lot of games. It's been going on for years. He should never have been extended. It was the worst decision of Alderson's tenure as GM bar none imo.
If this team comes up two games shy of a playoff spot I won't be shaking my head wondering why. I already know why. Collins.
take on Gomez's 3 million dollars is borderline ludicrous. The deal was already agreed upon. Everyone has acknowledged this. It got squashed once the medicals were being reviewed. To think the Mets concocted an injury excuse so they could back out of acquiring 3 million dollars ON top of the fact that its clear as day Gomez IS injured and having a rotten season is unbelievable. It truly is.
That said I totally get why Mets fans are paranoid when it comes to finances so Im really not criticizing anyone here. It just really does seem unbelievable in this case.
The deal was already agreed upon. Everyone has acknowledged this. It got squashed once the medicals were being reviewed.
This was far too public a decision for them to be playing fast and loose with. There was going to be a lot of public backlash if they dropped out at this stage. They avoid that like the plague.
Backman should be fired over the Leathersich/Black stuff. Anyone who trusts him with our young arms is out of their minds.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
No surprise considering the outcome of original Parra andGomez deals
Backman should be fired over the Leathersich/Black stuff. Anyone who trusts him with our young arms is out of their minds.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
Viola's son of all people came out defending them saying arms just get hurt and has nothing to do with workload. It was a very strange defense as even the staunchest of "innings limits are stupid" people would agree taking a guy who is a short man and after not pitching in 9 days having him throw 57 pitches is ridiculously strange. If TC has Clippard threw 57 pitches next week and Clippard needs TJ people will have their pitchforks out and Clippard at one point was an actual SP.
Backman should be fired over the Leathersich/Black stuff. Anyone who trusts him with our young arms is out of their minds.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
Viola's son of all people came out defending them saying arms just get hurt and has nothing to do with workload. It was a very strange defense as even the staunchest of "innings limits are stupid" people would agree taking a guy who is a short man and after not pitching in 9 days having him throw 57 pitches is ridiculously strange. If TC has Clippard threw 57 pitches next week and Clippard needs TJ people will have their pitchforks out and Clippard at one point was an actual SP.
Yup totally agree. Sucks because I thought Leathersich might be a real option late in the year too.
away because of money. Brewers taking on $$ was obviously one of the parameters of the deal, they didn't want to chip in, Sandy walks away. Is this really so hard to believe? They've demanded cash back on every deal they've made so for.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
but he really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Alex. Alex might be the very worst reliever in all of baseball. He is THAT bad.
Carlos has a FIP of 3.15 and a WAR of 0.4. As a mop up guy/6th man in the pen he would be fine. Just keep him away from the 7th or 8th.
The person that needs to be replaced ASAP is Alex. Number two... we need to figure out if Parnell can pitch or not. He's been destroyed in two appearances now so we need to figure it out quick. The rest I like.
away because of money. Brewers taking on $$ was obviously one of the parameters of the deal, they didn't want to chip in, Sandy walks away. Is this really so hard to believe? They've demanded cash back on every deal they've made so for.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
Yep. Every single deal they make or are trying to make involves money. Like I keep saying.. when they actually take on money, I'll believe they have it. Still yet to do it.
Jeff Wilpon was taken by surprise. "Sandy, what's up?" " You are trading for who?" " How much is he making?" "The Brewers are paying his salary right?" " No way" " Um, how is Gomez feeling these days?" " Let Dr. Nick look at his medical records, hehehehe" "Sandy I got bad new, Dr. Nick says he is a walking cripple, kill the deal"
Jesus Christ, I know that it's difficult to comprehend how a team with years of documented financial issues might walk away from a deal because of financial reasons.
away because of money. Brewers taking on $$ was obviously one of the parameters of the deal, they didn't want to chip in, Sandy walks away. Is this really so hard to believe? They've demanded cash back on every deal they've made so for.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
Yep. Every single deal they make or are trying to make involves money. Like I keep saying.. when they actually take on money, I'll believe they have it. Still yet to do it.
What are you basing this on?? Pre-madoff times? How is going from 84 million to now up around 110 million from the end of last season not adding payroll? Cuddyer wasn't adding payroll?? Blevins and Torres wasn't adding payroll? Not trying to get into it with you or anything, but where are you coming from? Specifically this deadline? Is that what you are talking about?
that if you don't think that Wilpon did not know what the financial commitment to Gomez would be while Alderson was working to do the deal, then whatever I say is not going to change your mind. The blaming of the Wilpons for everything is a reflex action with some of you
was one of the parameters of the deal that they couldn't agree on and Sandy walked away. When did I ever bring up the Wilpons? Listen, I really don't care if we agree or not but I find it extremely shortsighted to eliminate "financial reasons" as a possible reason when this team has been mired in a financial mess for many years
Agree or not, but the mets have demanded cash in all of their deals. I'm willing to bet Sandy would have walked away from those too if he didn't get the cash. But whatever, agree to disagree.
I really don't know, as much as I hate Jeff Wilpon, I can't believe he wasn't in on it every step of the way and wouldn't agree to a deal pending Medicaid if the numbers were not understood before it got to that stage. Maybe I'm missing something, but how do they get to looking at Medicaid if all the parameters are in place?
How do you know how it goes, when they agree to deals, when they look at medical records, and such. Maybe there were two or three different things going on at the same time. With so much different info going around, you've decided to pick a side of the story and run with it. And that's fine.
When I look at all of the facts, I just think that walking away from the deal b/c of money is more believable than walking away from the deal because of something they suddenly "saw" in a medical record. If fully admit that I could be wrong but I believe that Sandy worked out the parameters of the deal he was willing to accept and the Brewers didn't cave. Read into that any way you want.
but when I get someone an offer it is pending a drug test and background check. I know exactly what the $$$ are the vacation policy & all benefits. I don't find out after the background check and pending the results of the drug test
but when I get someone an offer it is pending a drug test and background check. I know exactly what the $$$ are the vacation policy & all benefits. I don't find out after the background check and pending the results of the drug test
You can't possibly be comparing a GM working out a MLB trade to a "Headhunter" recruiting someone for a job....please tell me you didn't just do that. I'm pretty sure they couldn't be more different.
Isnt it possible the truth is in the middle, that its a mix of both? Looking at this, it reads like the two sides agreed to the deal in principle, at which point it is customary for teams to swap medical information. For what its worth, financial terms are almost always agreed to BEFORE the post of medical reports being exchanged. So, once they saw the medical report, Im guessing the Mets saw something that concerned them about Gomezs ability to play in 2016. They asked the Brewers to cover part of his salary, amending the agreed upon deal. Milwaukee said no, and the deal fell apart. This makes sense to me, as a possible timeline
For what its worth, in the above scenario, it would make total sense for these two teams to circle back and revisit the deal. I know everyone is reporting that its dead, but why? If the Mets believe Gomez can help this season, but have concerns about 2016, it seems to me there are ways to restructure the trade to make it work for both sides. The Mets still need someone to hit and play center field, so Im interested to see if Gomez rumors again pop up later in the day or tomorrow
to hear about Blevins. Iffy on Montero since this is the second time he's been "shut down" due to soreness and then the doctor said nothing is wrong. Very odd
reading everything and speaking to people I am of the STRONG opinion there absolutely was a monetary aspect to this falling apart. I have NO IDEA about Gomez's health. NONE. But I do believe the Mets insisted on $$ and the Brewers balked.
they saw his medical records. They agreed to $$$ pending the results. He did not come back clean, they went back and asked for $$$ which you and I would have done if we didn't kill the deal on the spot, the Brewers would not pony up, the Mets said see ya.
HH, I didn't miss anything. Comparing what you do to what
I'm with Dan on this one. But like I said before, agree to disagree. I'm certainly not going to change your mind nor are you willing to see a different side of the story. And I'm not even trying to change your mind, just trying to explain where my side is coming from. Not that any of this really matters anyway.
they saw his medical records. They agreed to $$$ pending the results. He did not come back clean, they went back and asked for $$$ which you and I would have done if we didn't kill the deal on the spot, the Brewers would not pony up, the Mets said see ya.
Again, you are choosing to believe what Matt Cerrone is saying COULD have happened. And the next time Matt Cerrone is right about anything would be the first.
My personal opinion is that is not the case. There was freaking 3 million dollars they were adding to the payroll. The deal was agreed upon. Im sure that Sandy did ask them to throw in 500K or a million bucks like he usually does. No debate there. But you can't tell me he vehemently shut down the whole thing immediately and refused to revisit this trade over such a little amount SHOCKING the Brewers in the process. If they were haggling over finances the Brewers would have been aware of it and not telling Gomez goodbye. It still makes no sense.
the $$$ were already agreed to or they would not have the right to ask for his medical records. The fact that you would of still done the deal for Gomez because you are so in love with player makes me glad you are not a GM. The Mets were absolutely within their rights to renegotiate based in dirty medical records.
reading everything and speaking to people I am of the STRONG opinion there absolutely was a monetary aspect to this falling apart. I have NO IDEA about Gomez's health. NONE. But I do believe the Mets insisted on $$ and the Brewers balked.
Agree. Mets probably wanted $ after seeing potential health issues on Medicals. Brewers said no. Deal fell apart.
easily could turn into a week long argument with many people here and no one will ever win and no one will ever know for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
I do know that Gomez HAS been struggling with injuries all year and he himself has said he's "scared" to run. Thats enough for me. His numbers are down across the board and if its because he's struggling with injuries I don't want him. Not for Wheeler anyway. We can improve this team in other ways. His 8 homeruns, and 7 stolen bases wasn't making a huge difference this year either way. wRC+ of 107? This is not some guy that was going to transform this team, especially with a bum hip.
they were on the hook for whatever they agreed to. He wasn't clean( unless you believe the doctors are puppets and liars to give Wilpon an out because he had buyer's remorse)and the Mets wanted the Brewers to make the whole and they refused. Fuck the Brewers
the $$$ were already agreed to or they would not have the right to ask for his medical records. The fact that you would of still done the deal for Gomez because you are so in love with player makes me glad you are not a GM. The Mets were absolutely within their rights to renegotiate based in dirty medical records.
Man, you make a lot of assumptions there. First, you are assuming that you understand how trade negotiations in MLB go...you don't. You assume that I would have been fine with still trading for Gomez if he was so hurt because I'm "in love with the player"...again, you are off base. You are assuming that there were dirty medical records...you couldn't possibly know this.
You are so blinded by wanting to be right, that it's impossible for you to see any other side. And that's ignorant. Again (for the nth time), I'm just explaining my thought process. I can also see your side of it. I just don't necessarily believe it. Or, we may all be wrong. Who the fuck really cares.
The monetary aspect appears to be tied to his injury/medical concerns.
His remaining contract this year was more than doable without money being kicked in. However, being due 9 million next year with an injury/medical concern which isn't some made up spin by the Mets because we all KNOW Gomez has been dealing with a bad hip and it shows in his play. Some teams would have taken the rsik anyway, however the Mets felt the financial risk was too great, especially if this can linger til next season which is also possible depending on what was seen in the medicals.
easily could turn into a week long argument with many people here and no one will ever win and no one will ever know for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
It really doesn't have to. I've said "agree to disagree" a 100 times. I've said over and over again that I think differently but can see your (not specifically you) side of things too. But people are going to continue to force the belief on people. Whatever...takes two to tango, right?
in to every deal angle is just overdone. WE HAVE ENOUGH INJURED PLAYERS, MAYBE SA DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL FOR ONE MORE AND TAKE THE RISK. Lets just wait and see what SA does before the trade deadline.
I said if the injury isn't viewed as something that will hamper his 2016 aka degenerative, and he's simply not running because he's afraid a minor pull etc will get worse this year then yes I 100% would have done it. I'm not a doctor so I can't make that call.
situation didn't factor into there thinking. You buy damaged goods at a discount not full retail price unless you got money to piss awY which the Mets dont
sick right now. The Mets were in position to take a chance giving up another player coming off major surgery that fit their budget and team. Astros did it instead.
If you want to say the Mets are currently risk averse than other
ballclubs due to their financial/budget restraints, then I can agree with that. The budget is limited and they have to hit on this trade. They need a big bat and can't afford to miss. So they nixed the deal. They already swung and missed on Cuddyer, and cant do it again.
sick right now. The Mets were in position to take a chance giving up another player coming off major surgery that fit their budget and team. Astros did it instead.
I was shooting pool last night having a few drinks and saw the Gomez trade on the screen and was stoked. He was the perfect acquisition for this team and I didnt think we would pull it off for Wheeler and Flores no less. It sucked to hear it was nixed.
6:38pm: Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle reports that there will be four or five prospects heading back to the Brewers in the deal (Twitter link).
6:32pm: The Astros and Brewers are in agreement on a trade that will send center fielder Carlos Gomez and right-hander Mike Fiers to Houston, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports
easily could turn into a week long argument with many people here and no one will ever win and no one will ever know for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
It really doesn't have to. I've said "agree to disagree" a 100 times. I've said over and over again that I think differently but can see your (not specifically you) side of things too. But people are going to continue to force the belief on people. Whatever...takes two to tango, right?
Yeah its totally cool. And I almost feel like we are getting to a place where many of us can disagree and still be in a good place. There's a lot of strong opinionated people here and it is literally impossible for us to agree on every single topic but aside from one crazy poster I think we've all been much better this year. ;)
isn't a "better" fit as it means one of Conforto or Granderson or Bruce will be on the bench every game but he's a clear upgrade over what we have. Please do it. No brainer
How do Bruce and Gomez compare the last few seasons. Do you see a big difference in the two players?
Gomez is better than Jay Bruce when healthy, more dynamic, better fit but Jay Bruce has legit 30 homer power. At his best he's a .250ish guy with a cannon arm and plus power. Very, very streaky ala Duda. In fact, he's basically a Duda but an OF
How do Bruce and Gomez compare the last few seasons. Do you see a big difference in the two players?
Gomez is better than Jay Bruce when healthy, more dynamic, better fit but Jay Bruce has legit 30 homer power. At his best he's a .250ish guy with a cannon arm and plus power. Very, very streaky ala Duda. In fact, he's basically a Duda but an OF
Screw the Wilpons. It was about money after all, as it usually is with these scummy owners. Only way a deal gets done with the Reds is if they throw in enough money for the Wilpons.
in all this would be acquiring Bruce. Bruce is making more than Gomez and is having the better year. He doesn't play CF but Im fine rotating outfielders around paying Granderson in CF a little. Grandson's range in RF this year has been excellent.
Im also not so sure Conforto has LF locked up for the rest of the season. The 4 hit game was nice and all but he needs to keep hitting to keep his spot.
and said this wasnt about the money, it was the medical.
The Astros trade is a gut punch. It looks to me like they took a bit of a discount (when you factor in Fiers and the comp round pick). But this wasnt a giveaway. Houston gave up a lot. #40 prospect, Nimmo/Rosario level prospect, and at least one of the others was interesting.
and said this wasnt about the money, it was the medical.
The Astros trade is a gut punch. It looks to me like they took a bit of a discount (when you factor in Fiers and the comp round pick). But this wasnt a giveaway. Houston gave up a lot. #40 prospect, Nimmo/Rosario level prospect, and at least one of the others was interesting.
its about the money with the Mets. Lets not fool ourselves
Think the Mets backed out of the trade because of money. Not that they arent cheap, but why agree to it in the first place if you didnt want to spend the money? I think they didnt want to risk dealing a starting caliber pitcher who is locked up for a few years and a player who has flashed starting ability for a one and a half year deal with a player who has injury concerns.
The Astros were willing to take the risk. I am not going to kill Mets ownership for this.
Our bullpen consisting of Familia, Mejia and Parnell seemed invincible. Now Familia and Parnell can't pitch a scoreless inning and Mejia is suspended. Our newly acquired Tyler Clippard can't replace all three.
No. Tejada is basically the every day SS at this point. Flores became a bench guy when we acquired Uribe/KJ
1 inning 0 hits 0 BB 2K on 7 pitches
His ERA went from 108.00 to 27.00
Montero, who has been on the disabled list since April 29 with rotator cuff inflammation, will be re-evaluated by doctors.
The 24-year-old did make two rehab appearances with the Gulf Coast League Mets, but it appears his return remains a long way off.
Montero, who has been on the disabled list since April 29 with rotator cuff inflammation, will be re-evaluated by doctors.
The 24-year-old did make two rehab appearances with the Gulf Coast League Mets, but it appears his return remains a long way off.
Just shut him down. Let him rest up over the offseason. Why we need to push it now I have no idea.
Montero, who has been on the disabled list since April 29 with rotator cuff inflammation, will be re-evaluated by doctors.
The 24-year-old did make two rehab appearances with the Gulf Coast League Mets, but it appears his return remains a long way off.
Of COURSE he had a setback. Every single person who gets hurt on this team has a setback of one sort or another; no one ever comes back on time...
Get a bat, Sandy, and put this mess behind us...
- Milwaukee was extremely aggressive shopping Gomez.
- Deal was never agreed to when it got leaked. (don't know who leaked it)
- When it got to medicals the Mets saw something and doctors said "no way"
- Brewers still wanted to deal, Mets didn't, Brewers got upset with Mets
- Francesa hearing money stuff not true, Lagares never in deal
- Deal blew up for 1 reason - Gomez health
- Biggest problem with Mets was leaving Flores out there
- They need to turn around and get another player, only way to fix this
- Milwaukee is no longer a possibility to deal with (Parra out)
- Cespedes is not 1 of their options
- 2 offensive options out there they are trying to obtain (doesn't know who they are, CarGonz, Upton, Reddick)
- Milwaukee was extremely aggressive shopping Gomez.
- Deal was never agreed to when it got leaked. (don't know who leaked it)
- When it got to medicals the Mets saw something and doctors said "no way"
- Brewers still wanted to deal, Mets didn't, Brewers got upset with Mets
- Francesa hearing money stuff not true, Lagares never in deal
- Deal blew up for 1 reason - Gomez health
- Biggest problem with Mets was leaving Flores out there
- They need to turn around and get another player, only way to fix this
- Milwaukee is no longer a possibility to deal with (Parra out)
- Cespedes is not 1 of their options
- 2 offensive options out there they are trying to obtain (doesn't know who they are, CarGonz, Upton, Reddick)
Thanks for re-capping. Pretty much exactly what I thought.
One of the worst moves in franchise history
Based on the previous statement, the long shot prayer acquisition would be Reddick, assuming the Mets think he can play some CF. Don't think Beane will want to deal him, but perhaps he'll try to seize an opportunity to go after Wheeler and Nimmo? Not sure I'd do that personally, but an interesting thought.
I think I would too. Love the hustle/attitude he brings to the table.
Uribe was a 10x better acquisition than Cuddyer and I don't think it's even close. He's been a near .300 hitter/.750 OPS guy on good teams with great defense for the past few seasons. Same age, less injury issues. Obviously only made sense after the season started when Wright went out.
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Uribe!
Uribe was a 10x better acquisition than Cuddyer and I don't think it's even close. He's been a near .300 hitter/.750 OPS guy on good teams with great defense for the past few seasons. Same age, less injury issues. Obviously only made sense after the season started when Wright went out.
yeah but he didn't know David Wright pre-facial hair so he doesn't get the big loot like Cuddy! lol
- Extremely cautious on all medicals (Gomez)
- Not interested in the other CarGo (numbers away from Coors)
- Looking for players beyond this year (not rentals, which are usually who's avail at deadline)
Trade talks between #Mets and #Tigers heating up. Mets determined to acquire Cespedes tonight.
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Not surprising that there is a new found hyper-sensitivity to injuries. We've been killed this year. Wright, Lagares, Cuddyer and TDA all hurt -- going into the season, werent they 4 of our 5 top position players? You need some guys without red flags.
He's played on two teams and is really just coming into his own offensively.
Actually considered a top notch clubhouse guy. Good energy, A's players hated seeing him go. Just circumstance.. Dealt for Lester, dealt because the Red Sox had 6 OF and loved getting a youngish SP for him (gave 88 million extension) and now can't be offered a QO and will get 120+ as a FA
BUT.. wow. That would be something. A little scared of the cost. I really hope we'd be looking to keep him long-term if that were the case.
I think that's where we are headed.
Trade talks between #Mets and #Tigers heating up. Mets determined to acquire Cespedes tonight.
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Where is this from?
Also you'd have to assume Flores is safe with Tigers infield already pretty solidified.
I'm intruiged.
Also you'd have to assume Flores is safe with Tigers infield already pretty solidified.
I'm intruiged.
120 million on the low end. Choo and Ellsbury got 150+
Source: Three-team trade between #Dodgers, #Marlins and #Braves is done. Players being informed.
I hate this shit.
Good question
I hate this shit.
LOL it didn't seem like Rosenthal's style of writing plus I didn't get notified on my phone that he sent out a tweet.
Maybe Collins thought Niese would be traded and was steadfast in not getting mocked again.
Zack Wheeler on still being a Met: "I want to be a part of this team and what we are about to do. I Love NY and want to stay here...
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Wheeler continued: "Been here for a few years and I want to finish up what we started here."
Why was he taking roids during his suspension?
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LOL.. knew that tweet was BS.
I hate this shit.
LOL it didn't seem like Rosenthal's style of writing plus I didn't get notified on my phone that he sent out a tweet.
A few people were actually re-tweeting it. Totally bogus. Ugh.
Not surprising that there is a new found hyper-sensitivity to injuries. We've been killed this year. Wright, Lagares, Cuddyer and TDA all hurt -- going into the season, werent they 4 of our 5 top position players? You need some guys without red flags.
The injuries haven't been much worse than previous years, the difference is the games mean something this year so they're more noticeable I suppose. Wright, Cuddyer, TdA have all battled injuries. Other than Wheeler rotation has actually been remarkably healthy.
I think Sandy wanted to see progress before making big commitments knowing how tight the budget is. I don't fault him for that at all but I do think they cheaped out a little bit around the margins of the 25 man and could have used some of their resources wiser. Non-tendering Gee/Parnell would have saved almost 10M alone (or not holding out for prices teams weren't paying via trade).
Two names I'm hearing are likely on Jays' radar as they consider adding pitching: Andrew Cashner and Jon Niese.
Rather get Pillar and Roberto Osuna
Source: Jays' interest in Niese is "mild". He is an option. #Mets
Hopefully we finally get good news on Blevins and can get him back in 2 weeks or so.
At this point, we can't afford to deal him.
Yup. Dude's almost a 3 WAR player today. He's been unbelievable.
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I'd do that despite his terrible numbers...
Rather get Pillar and Roberto Osuna
And I'd rather a million dollars but c'mon that's not happening lol Osuna has been dominant in his age 20 season and Pillar has already been worth 2.1 WAR. We couldn't get either of them let alone both.
At this point, we can't afford to deal him.
He's virtually untouchable.
Source: Jays' interest in Niese is "mild". He is an option. #Mets
Doesn't TOR need more than just 1 pitcher? Who do they even have? They can't pitch.
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I'd do that despite his terrible numbers...
Rather get Pillar and Roberto Osuna
And I'd rather a million dollars but c'mon that's not happening lol Osuna has been dominant in his age 20 season and Pillar has already been worth 2.1 WAR. We couldn't get either of them let alone both.
I know, can't hurt to ask, maybe add another "piece".
Didn't realize Pillar had 2.1 war, so i guess that's not happening.
You can't make this shit up. Most bizarre team in baseball
Apparently it's bad. Heyman said you can't even see the ball.
If Familia cannot go after the layoff probably Carlos Torres as he has pitched in that situation before
lol
Any.baseball stat that isnt seperated by league is virtually pointless. Parnell is a huge issue.
#Mets are open to anything after Gomez deal fell apart. So wouldnt rule out much before tomorrow at 4 p.m. Working down to wire.
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with 2.82 ERA and 31 saves. I'll take my chances
Any.baseball stat that isnt seperated by league is virtually pointless. Parnell is a huge issue.
How so? Going by that subject line, at worst they're 5th in the NL.
but really, it hurts only in regular season since Mejia was not eligible for postseason. Plus, one of the starters will go to the pen for postseason.
Matz?
Has about 55M total remaining with 2 years after this one. Colorado would probably have to kick in at least 20M for it to even be a consideration.
Given his salary even Cuddyer for Castro ends up being "meh". At his salary he's a "big" addition to the Mets payroll at 10, 11, 12 for 17, 18, 19 and he's been TERRIBLE, also terrible in 2013 and off field issues. I'm a gambler but pass.
What was it, 15-20 minutes? He should just do his job.
I can't take it anymore.
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Really don't like going back to Familia after a delay like that.
What was it, 15-20 minutes? He should just do his job.
Easier said than done. The delay was longer than that. You can't just put a guy back out there and expect him to be fine. He has to get warm again.
And if he went to [insert name] and this happened you'd get the complaints of why he took him out.
Oh come on...who DIDN'T see that coming?
Familia dealing in the bottom of the 9th, and the game is called in the MIDDLE of the LAST batter? Then the manager goes to the SAME reliever after a 40 minute wait? LOL
That was about as predicable as they come.
Awesome.
Can't script a worse 2 days if you try.
I just can't blame him this time. Familla has just shown himself to be a complete weakass
This is awful. Terrible loss if it stands.
What a disaster the last 20 or so hours have been..
To some people the Mets have never had a good manager.
What a disaster either way though.
No idea honestly. I don't really fault him for Familia going back out having only thrown 4 pitches. Just a shitty situation from Parnell to the umps to the weather. We are literally cursed.
I don't want to speak for others, but for me it was the decision to go back to Familia after 40 minutes
Flores with a walk off would be awesome
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are ridiculous. Clippard was used when he was supposed to be, who exactly was Collins going to use that gave you confidence?
I don't want to speak for others, but for me it was the decision to go back to Familia after 40 minutes
And use whom exactly? Carlos Torres who reportedly was almost DFA'ed 10 days ago? Alex Torres one of the worst relievers in baseball? Collins wouldn't be blasted for that not working out?
Agreed. It would have taken 60 seconds maximum and if he gets on base, then you suspend the game.
I can't blame the Umps for stopping play, but to resume and then just stop again five minutes later is pathetic unless the rain had significantly subsided.
And if Gilmartin blows it or gives up a hit then everyone goes "WTF, Gilmartin? Why not go with your best arm!". Gilmartin since the all-star break 4 games 5.06 era 1.69 whip. This is ridiculously unfair criticism. If there were a clear guy (Mejia, Clippard etc), 100% fair. He had NOTHING.
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are ridiculous. Clippard was used when he was supposed to be, who exactly was Collins going to use that gave you confidence?
I don't want to speak for others, but for me it was the decision to go back to Familia after 40 minutes
And use whom exactly? Carlos Torres who reportedly was almost DFA'ed 10 days ago? Alex Torres one of the worst relievers in baseball? Collins wouldn't be blasted for that not working out?
Gilmartin
I can't blame the Umps for stopping play, but to resume and then just stop again five minutes later is pathetic unless the rain had significantly subsided.
They knew they had about 10 minutes but with 1 out left they "hoped' that would be enough.
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who has been excellent. It was one out.
And if Gilmartin blows it or gives up a hit then everyone goes "WTF, Gilmartin? Why not go with your best arm!". Gilmartin since the all-star break 4 games 5.06 era 1.69 whip. This is ridiculously unfair criticism. If there were a clear guy (Mejia, Clippard etc), 100% fair. He had NOTHING.
Again, it was the 40 minute part that I have issue with. Tough to get warm again after such a long layoff
I still blame the umps for stopping game mid-at bat. That was insane.
That's another story but who knows what Niese's arm is saying any given day.
Collins lives and dies with the pitch count
Cool and 2 games ago against the Dodgers Gilmartin faced 3 batters, allowed 3 hits, 2 runs. This isn't about trashing Gilmartin either. It's about there was no "great" or clear option here. No win.
Please let me have 2 of whatever you're taking.
Yeah, goddam ridiculous to call it during the at-bat. What changed in the fifteen seconds the at-bat started?
The point was there was nobody "worth arguing over". It's not as if Gilmartin is Clippard or Gilmartin is Mejia. He's a solid enough extra arm who JUST had a horrible game against the Dodgers. it wasn't like Terry passed on some good option.
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sample. Thats almost as bad as me referencing Nimmo in AAA yesterday. Giving up one run would totally skew that.
The point was there was nobody "worth arguing over". It's not as if Gilmartin is Clippard or Gilmartin is Mejia. He's a solid enough extra arm who JUST had a horrible game against the Dodgers. it wasn't like Terry passed on some good option.
It really just depends if Familia was capable of cooling down and warming back up again after a layoff. Many pitchers cant and if he is one of them, my 93 year old grandmother would have been a better option.
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
I hope he sues the team. Complete bullshit.
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out the atbat. I was watching the game, they could have finished the atbat. It was crappy to suspend the game 2 strikes from the (potential) win. Maybe he still gives up the hit...but he was dealing at that point. Forget everything that happened after.
Yeah, goddam ridiculous to call it during the at-bat. What changed in the fifteen seconds the at-bat started?
Add him to the list, Dan.
and in the first inning of his first game as a Met, he gets zapped with a rogue bolt of lightening
Nats gained another game today if we lose with the possibility of increasing the lead even further this weekend. Slippery slope right now with confidence being at an all-time low.
And obviously hindsight is 20-20
But you can't blow a 7-1 lead in a pennant race, especially against a poor hitting team like the Padres. We can all question or defend each of the pitching moves. But the point is that you can't let that happen. Not if you expect to be a contender
And obviously hindsight is 20-20
But you can't blow a 7-1 lead in a pennant race, especially against a poor hitting team like the Padres. We can all question or defend each of the pitching moves. But the point is that you can't let that happen. Not if you expect to be a contender
I can and do fault him for yanking Niese prematurely. He had another inning in him easy. The man costs his team games they should be winning. This is three games in the last 10 outings his questionable decisions have lost us a critical game in a playoff race.
There is nothing we can do about it this year but please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD replace this loser. He is holding this club back.
Also FUCK Mejia. Trade his ass for a bucket of chum.
I honestly have no idea how the new rainout rules work.
"If the home team is ahead by two runs when the players are pulled off the field, but the visiting team scores two runs in the top of the next inning before the players are pulled, the game is suspended and picked up at a later date from the point when the rain came."
I honestly have no idea how the new rainout rules work.
"If the home team is ahead by two runs when the players are pulled off the field, but the visiting team scores two runs in the top of the next inning before the players are pulled, the game is suspended and picked up at a later date from the point when the rain came."
My understanding is that, if suspended, the game will be resumed in the bottom of the ninth. if They never started the ninth, then the Mets would have won if they called the game.
Would be nice if the Padres just forfeited so they don't have to make the trip on an off day at the end of the season.
Lmao.
like some says the SD broadcast team reported.
like some says the SD broadcast team reported.
Nope. Rubin posted the rules. It's considered suspended under the rules.
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Will Upton have technically beat himself?
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
I think (but could very well be wrong) that he would have to play the game as a Padre, since he was a Padre on the day of the original game (would apply no matter what team he is traded to). Their roster would have to be what it was on that date (same deal if Padres trade other players). Thought I remember reading that years ago.
Very possible I mis-read that, or they have changed it since...
It would never happen. I was really just joking anyway. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that.
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after 5 complete innings the game reverted back to the last full inning, or in this case the 8th inning and is declared final. So it's just like Familia never pitched and the end of the 8th is the end of the game.
like some says the SD broadcast team reported.
Nope. Rubin posted the rules. It's considered suspended under the rules.
LOL, I was in the car headed to a wedding in VT. I didn't know they resumed the game, Familia came back in and gave up a 3R HR to lose the lead. I thought there was still 2 outs in the top of the 9th. So the resumed the game long enough for that and then delayed it again? that's some sick karma there.
WTF. I guess at this point you have to laugh.
Maybe Flores gets a PH GW HR?
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Will Upton have technically beat himself?
Imagine he hit a walk off for US in a resumed game at a later date? LOL.. that would be bizarre and right in line with something that would happen with this team.
I think (but could very well be wrong) that he would have to play the game as a Padre, since he was a Padre on the day of the original game (would apply no matter what team he is traded to). Their roster would have to be what it was on that date (same deal if Padres trade other players). Thought I remember reading that years ago.
Very possible I mis-read that, or they have changed it since...
Didn't this happen once before - a guy playing for both teams in the same game due to a suspended game?
Gary- "What a crazy 24 hours this has been for both Flores and the team"
Ron- "It appears Padres manager Pat Murphy is discussing something with the umpires"
Gary- "not exactly clear what is being discussed, they are pointing to the area around home plate"
Gary- "Wow! Flores being called out! Home plate umpire Mike Everitt is saying Flores foot was outside of the batters box when he swung"
Asked whether he's hurt, Carlos Gomez said, "I don't have no problems. I'm playing, and I feel really sexy about it."
And the guy is playing every day. It's not like Cadaver where he literally couldn't even be on the field or do anything but pinch hit and snail the basepaths.
It's not even just the stolen bases either. His defense is down. His power is down. Something's not right with the guy.
I think there was one injury this year that was diagnosed with the correct timetable and that was Herrera.
How can anyone trust the medical opinions that come from this franchise? I know I don't.
Whatever, I'm just so sick of everything that comes along with this garbage franchise. If it was possible for me to bail and root for someone else, I would have done it years ago. It's just not in my DNA.
Bullpen gives up 7 runs, blame manager.
I don't know why Niese didn't go one more. He wasn't great his last inning.
If this team comes up two games shy of a playoff spot I won't be shaking my head wondering why. I already know why. Collins.
That said I totally get why Mets fans are paranoid when it comes to finances so Im really not criticizing anyone here. It just really does seem unbelievable in this case.
This was far too public a decision for them to be playing fast and loose with. There was going to be a lot of public backlash if they dropped out at this stage. They avoid that like the plague.
I feel truly sad for Leathersich. Given the Mets current pen he likely loses on at MINIMUM a few hundred thousand dollars, if not more. Sad.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
But Again until the Mets prove its not about the money. Everyone is going to be skeptical.
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Backman should be fired over the Leathersich/Black stuff. Anyone who trusts him with our young arms is out of their minds.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
Viola's son of all people came out defending them saying arms just get hurt and has nothing to do with workload. It was a very strange defense as even the staunchest of "innings limits are stupid" people would agree taking a guy who is a short man and after not pitching in 9 days having him throw 57 pitches is ridiculously strange. If TC has Clippard threw 57 pitches next week and Clippard needs TJ people will have their pitchforks out and Clippard at one point was an actual SP.
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Backman should be fired over the Leathersich/Black stuff. Anyone who trusts him with our young arms is out of their minds.
One of the strangest things Ive ever seen. Im guessing Viola needs to share blame as well. How does the pitching coach not tell Backman to pull him either? Just horrible all around. Im still speechless.
Viola's son of all people came out defending them saying arms just get hurt and has nothing to do with workload. It was a very strange defense as even the staunchest of "innings limits are stupid" people would agree taking a guy who is a short man and after not pitching in 9 days having him throw 57 pitches is ridiculously strange. If TC has Clippard threw 57 pitches next week and Clippard needs TJ people will have their pitchforks out and Clippard at one point was an actual SP.
Yup totally agree. Sucks because I thought Leathersich might be a real option late in the year too.
What hand did Backman play with Black? I heard about the Leathersich mess but didnt know Black as well.
LOL.
The Torrai twins have to go and they have barely enough healthy RPs to replace them.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
Carlos has a FIP of 3.15 and a WAR of 0.4. As a mop up guy/6th man in the pen he would be fine. Just keep him away from the 7th or 8th.
The person that needs to be replaced ASAP is Alex. Number two... we need to figure out if Parnell can pitch or not. He's been destroyed in two appearances now so we need to figure it out quick. The rest I like.
Yup. But we all know that would never happen.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
Yep. Every single deal they make or are trying to make involves money. Like I keep saying.. when they actually take on money, I'll believe they have it. Still yet to do it.
Ya feel me Dr. Brown?
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away because of money. Brewers taking on $$ was obviously one of the parameters of the deal, they didn't want to chip in, Sandy walks away. Is this really so hard to believe? They've demanded cash back on every deal they've made so for.
Either that or Sandy was just trolling the Brewers the whole time, lol.
Yep. Every single deal they make or are trying to make involves money. Like I keep saying.. when they actually take on money, I'll believe they have it. Still yet to do it.
What are you basing this on?? Pre-madoff times? How is going from 84 million to now up around 110 million from the end of last season not adding payroll? Cuddyer wasn't adding payroll?? Blevins and Torres wasn't adding payroll? Not trying to get into it with you or anything, but where are you coming from? Specifically this deadline? Is that what you are talking about?
Watch the Nats come in and sweep, to really put a dagger in all our hearts...
Agree or not, but the mets have demanded cash in all of their deals. I'm willing to bet Sandy would have walked away from those too if he didn't get the cash. But whatever, agree to disagree.
When I look at all of the facts, I just think that walking away from the deal b/c of money is more believable than walking away from the deal because of something they suddenly "saw" in a medical record. If fully admit that I could be wrong but I believe that Sandy worked out the parameters of the deal he was willing to accept and the Brewers didn't cave. Read into that any way you want.
You can't possibly be comparing a GM working out a MLB trade to a "Headhunter" recruiting someone for a job....please tell me you didn't just do that. I'm pretty sure they couldn't be more different.
For what its worth, in the above scenario, it would make total sense for these two teams to circle back and revisit the deal. I know everyone is reporting that its dead, but why? If the Mets believe Gomez can help this season, but have concerns about 2016, it seems to me there are ways to restructure the trade to make it work for both sides. The Mets still need someone to hit and play center field, so Im interested to see if Gomez rumors again pop up later in the day or tomorrow
I'm with Dan on this one. But like I said before, agree to disagree. I'm certainly not going to change your mind nor are you willing to see a different side of the story. And I'm not even trying to change your mind, just trying to explain where my side is coming from. Not that any of this really matters anyway.
Again, you are choosing to believe what Matt Cerrone is saying COULD have happened. And the next time Matt Cerrone is right about anything would be the first.
Agree. Mets probably wanted $ after seeing potential health issues on Medicals. Brewers said no. Deal fell apart.
I do know that Gomez HAS been struggling with injuries all year and he himself has said he's "scared" to run. Thats enough for me. His numbers are down across the board and if its because he's struggling with injuries I don't want him. Not for Wheeler anyway. We can improve this team in other ways. His 8 homeruns, and 7 stolen bases wasn't making a huge difference this year either way. wRC+ of 107? This is not some guy that was going to transform this team, especially with a bum hip.
Man, you make a lot of assumptions there. First, you are assuming that you understand how trade negotiations in MLB go...you don't. You assume that I would have been fine with still trading for Gomez if he was so hurt because I'm "in love with the player"...again, you are off base. You are assuming that there were dirty medical records...you couldn't possibly know this.
You are so blinded by wanting to be right, that it's impossible for you to see any other side. And that's ignorant. Again (for the nth time), I'm just explaining my thought process. I can also see your side of it. I just don't necessarily believe it. Or, we may all be wrong. Who the fuck really cares.
It really doesn't have to. I've said "agree to disagree" a 100 times. I've said over and over again that I think differently but can see your (not specifically you) side of things too. But people are going to continue to force the belief on people. Whatever...takes two to tango, right?
Cuddyer 8.5, Gee 5.3, Mayberry 1.45, Parnell 3.7
So we can defend Sandy all we want... imagine what basically 20 million worth of talent would look like vs. that off-season?
Gotcha. Its all good.
I said if the injury isn't viewed as something that will hamper his 2016 aka degenerative, and he's simply not running because he's afraid a minor pull etc will get worse this year then yes I 100% would have done it. I'm not a doctor so I can't make that call.
Glass half full type of guy, huh? LOL
I was shooting pool last night having a few drinks and saw the Gomez trade on the screen and was stoked. He was the perfect acquisition for this team and I didnt think we would pull it off for Wheeler and Flores no less. It sucked to hear it was nixed.
6:32pm: The Astros and Brewers are in agreement on a trade that will send center fielder Carlos Gomez and right-hander Mike Fiers to Houston, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports
Reds willing to trade Jay Bruce to the Mets for Zack Wheeler now. Worth watching over the next 20 hours.
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easily could turn into a week long argument with many people here and no one will ever win and no one will ever know for sure. We are all entitled to our opinions I guess.
It really doesn't have to. I've said "agree to disagree" a 100 times. I've said over and over again that I think differently but can see your (not specifically you) side of things too. But people are going to continue to force the belief on people. Whatever...takes two to tango, right?
Yeah its totally cool. And I almost feel like we are getting to a place where many of us can disagree and still be in a good place. There's a lot of strong opinionated people here and it is literally impossible for us to agree on every single topic but aside from one crazy poster I think we've all been much better this year. ;)
gomez has already passed astros medical review. done deal. #astros #crew
Gomez is better than Jay Bruce when healthy, more dynamic, better fit but Jay Bruce has legit 30 homer power. At his best he's a .250ish guy with a cannon arm and plus power. Very, very streaky ala Duda. In fact, he's basically a Duda but an OF
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How do Bruce and Gomez compare the last few seasons. Do you see a big difference in the two players?
Gomez is better than Jay Bruce when healthy, more dynamic, better fit but Jay Bruce has legit 30 homer power. At his best he's a .250ish guy with a cannon arm and plus power. Very, very streaky ala Duda. In fact, he's basically a Duda but an OF
That's a scary thought.
Don't see why they would have to. If Wheeler is expected back in June/July isn't that when you would expect Fulmer "ready" (ignoring super 2 etc_
Isn't Montero still ahead of him?
Screw the Wilpons. It was about money after all, as it usually is with these scummy owners. Only way a deal gets done with the Reds is if they throw in enough money for the Wilpons.
Im also not so sure Conforto has LF locked up for the rest of the season. The 4 hit game was nice and all but he needs to keep hitting to keep his spot.
Cuddyer 8.5, Gee 5.3, Mayberry 1.45, Parnell 3.7
So we can defend Sandy all we want... imagine what basically 20 million worth of talent would look like vs. that off-season?
Less than two years of Chase Headley?
That really sucks. He would have totally changed this lineup.
Boras on Gomez pasing #Astros physical, not #Mets: Gomez's June 16 adductor exam and MRI reports (cont)
stated the hip is structurally clean. Texas unlike New York doctors respect Cheesehead medicine.
The Astros trade is a gut punch. It looks to me like they took a bit of a discount (when you factor in Fiers and the comp round pick). But this wasnt a giveaway. Houston gave up a lot. #40 prospect, Nimmo/Rosario level prospect, and at least one of the others was interesting.
The Astros trade is a gut punch. It looks to me like they took a bit of a discount (when you factor in Fiers and the comp round pick). But this wasnt a giveaway. Houston gave up a lot. #40 prospect, Nimmo/Rosario level prospect, and at least one of the others was interesting.
its about the money with the Mets. Lets not fool ourselves
Familia needs to get better fast!
Gomez no trade
gut wrenching rain delay loss
Leathersich and Blake Taylor need TJs
The Astros were willing to take the risk. I am not going to kill Mets ownership for this.
Boras on Gomez pasing #Astros physical, not #Mets: Gomez's June 16 adductor exam and MRI reports (cont)
stated the hip is structurally clean. Texas unlike New York doctors respect Cheesehead medicine.
So why are his SB's abysmal, and what about that quote from Gomez?
On deck:
-can still make a trade after the deadline
-winter meeting options
- maybe more players crying and the Manager wondering WTF is happening