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WR James Jones to the Giants on a one year deal

Anakim : 7/30/2015 6:31 pm
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James Jones just informed me he will be signing a 1 year deal with the NY Giants. He leaves for NY tomorrow.
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He's a guy who was just cut by OAK  
KWALL2 : 7/30/2015 11:13 pm : link
After one year of averaging 9YPC.

He's slow. And 30+. hell struggle to make the team.

We gave Harris a noce deal. I sure hope the plan is to see more of Harris at WR. I can't see making an investment like they did in Harris without seeing him on offense.

Washington also has more upside. Jones is an easy matchup at this poiint. An easy cover. Washington gives the team a matchup advantage. I would expect them to use it.

IMO, Jones doesn't make he team without a preseason injury.
He's an injury or two away from being a  
CT Charlie : 7/30/2015 11:27 pm : link
useful target for Eli. And it's a lock that our WR's will be injured.
Great signing.  
Lithium : 7/30/2015 11:30 pm : link
Hopefully he can play tackle.
People are really stuck in 2011 and 2012 when they think of Cruz  
Mason : 7/30/2015 11:43 pm : link
He hasn't been that player for awhile even without injury. Giants thought they would sign him as a expensive slot that they would really utilize as a #1. Now they find him not only as a slot but coming off a serious knee injury. IMO, Cruz will be a cap casualty sooner than later.
RE: RE: This was posted on the other Jones thread at 6:26  
speedywheels : 7/31/2015 12:18 am : link
In comment 12394998 JFIB said:
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In comment 12394745 speedywheels said:


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Yet you felt compelled to make a new thread about it 5 minutes later? Would checking on that thread first really have been that hard?



Thank God Speedy Wheels is here to police these things! What we would do without you??


So you are coming to the defense of an attention whore - good for you!
So long as he came cheap  
Torrag : 7/31/2015 12:45 am : link
can't hurt to have him around
What's not to like?  
GiantJake : 7/31/2015 1:28 am : link
He's experienced, he's familiar with many of the schemes McAdoo is running and he has to earn his spot or he gets cut. More competition is always good.
RE: RE: RE: This was posted on the other Jones thread at 6:26  
Anakim : 7/31/2015 1:55 am : link
In comment 12395306 speedywheels said:
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In comment 12394998 JFIB said:


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In comment 12394745 speedywheels said:


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Yet you felt compelled to make a new thread about it 5 minutes later? Would checking on that thread first really have been that hard?



Thank God Speedy Wheels is here to police these things! What we would do without you??



So you are coming to the defense of an attention whore - good for you!


Excuse me? How about you go fuck yourself?
Adding to what I said in the other thread...  
ChaChing : 7/31/2015 3:36 am : link
He's likely good enough to be our #4 and if there's an injury be a viable replacement at #3. Actually if we lose 1-3 we NEED him for experience alone

Still the hope is Randle takes another step, CWash becomes a consistent size mismatch & RZ threat and GD develops. Have to keep Parker for the slot I guess, tho iirc OBJ does that too

IMO JJ's a lesser Randle on his downside at 31. Not sure how fast he still is tho he might be fastest outside of OBJ & VC @ 100%. Also no one but VC (maybe Parker) has playoff experience fwiw. A camp invite is worthwhile
Anakim: Good Posting  
idinkido : 7/31/2015 6:00 am : link
and appreciate the update. Ignore the jerks who like to G'd it over the rest of us!
If everything goes perfectly with the top 6-7 WR on the roster...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/31/2015 6:58 am : link
...Jones gets cut. The chances of everything going perfectly are pretty remote.

Assuming Jones signed a qualifying deal - and it seems he did - this is the same move as the Jeromy Miles signing. Ideally, injured players bounce back, young guys step up, and the minimum-salary veteran doesn't make the team. In the meantime, though, the coordinator has a player he trusts to set a floor under a key position with a lot of uncertainty.
I like this move as injury insurance.  
Ira : 7/31/2015 7:20 am : link
The Giants certainly need that.
Doomster: I don't think this has any bearing on Cruz being PUP'd  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/31/2015 7:28 am : link
Doomster said:
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Maybe, just maybe, it gives the Giants, the option to PUP Cruz and give him more time to get ready?

I think it's Standard Operating Procedure to PUP any player who isn't cleared to practice today. There's no downside - it just keeps open the option of regular-season PUP. So far, there's no indication that Cruz will miss today's practice. If he does, he'll be PUP'd; but that decision has nothing to do with James Jones. Cruz still occupies a roster spot, and there are plenty of other guys to take his reps in the slot - Parker, Harris, Talley, Edwards; even Beckham will take some.

The Jones signing is probably motivated in part by uncertainty regarding Cruz's comeback, but it doesn't influence the likelihood of him being PUP'd. At most, the signing reflects a decision that has already been made to have VC start camp on PUP - and I doubt even that much is true.
RE: He's a guy who was just cut by OAK  
Big Blue '56 : 7/31/2015 7:46 am : link
In comment 12395241 KWALL2 said:
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After one year of averaging 9YPC.

He's slow. And 30+. hell struggle to make the team.

We gave Harris a noce deal. I sure hope the plan is to see more of Harris at WR. I can't see making an investment like they did in Harris without seeing him on offense.

Washington also has more upside. Jones is an easy matchup at this poiint. An easy cover. Washington gives the team a matchup advantage. I would expect them to use it.

IMO, Jones doesn't make he team without a preseason injury.


What you say may be true. I look at it as a guy who occupies the 4th spot and with experience moves up a notch or two short term..His stats are meaningless(as many are imv) UNLESS he was slotted to be a 1 or 2..Harris is young and can get his reps, but as opined above, he'll be fresher for the positions that made him one of, if not, the best in the league..THAT'S where his value lies and why we signed him..Receiving would be gravy..
a no brainer  
George from PA : 7/31/2015 8:02 am : link
He won't take a spot from any deserving young wr.

I thought he was over rated in Green Bay......but a prove it deal makes perfect sense
I only really see 4 guys as "locks"...  
arcarsenal : 7/31/2015 8:06 am : link
Beckham, Cruz, Randle and Harris. I know CW has flashed in practice and preseason, I would assume he finds a spot. Beyond that, I'd think Jones would present more value than Parker. The others have a lot to prove.
Then again, they may see Parker as "insurance" for Cruz.  
arcarsenal : 7/31/2015 8:09 am : link
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I don't get it at all,  
barens : 7/31/2015 8:10 am : link
with Randle, Washington, Harris and their 6th round pick, are they going to keep 7 wide receivers?
It is very simple to see what motivates this signing.  
jsuds : 7/31/2015 8:15 am : link

All the other reasons listed are legit but for me this is just about surrounding Eli with as many weapons as possible.

When Eli has the necessary tools he gets the job done.

This is arguably the best group of offensive talent he has had in his career and I wager the results will show this season.
A healthy productive Jones  
JonC : 7/31/2015 8:18 am : link
should knock Parker off the roster, Parker is the poster boy for JAG.
Beckham, Cruz, Randle and Harris are the locks  
JonC : 7/31/2015 8:20 am : link
and Harris still has to demonstrate what value he brings to the offense, whereas Jones already knows the system. CW is your last WR stashed based on potential, Parker is expendable if Jones performs well. Competition is a good thing.
Jon..  
arcarsenal : 7/31/2015 8:21 am : link
Yup. On the same page.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/31/2015 8:22 am : link
I was a bit surprised he wasn't picked up earlier by someone - but I didn't follow him closely last year.

Zero risk signing. Could be a decent contributor.
Parker is tough, but don't think he does anything that Harris can't  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/31/2015 8:22 am : link
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I like the  
Clintqb17 : 7/31/2015 8:28 am : link
signing of JJ but what bothers me is his yards after catch last season (2.3 Yards). At his age is he explosive enough to make a difference and make the team? I'm hoping he ends up a nice piece to our WR puzzle.
Good add. Professional WR who knows the system.  
Victor in CT : 7/31/2015 8:39 am : link
Gives depth, and insurance in case Cruz struggles and Randle goes off the reservation mentally.
RE: Jon..  
Jon : 7/31/2015 8:47 am : link
In comment 12395399 arcarsenal said:
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Yup. On the same page.


glad to hear it!
Jones is 30+  
JonC : 7/31/2015 8:56 am : link
so he'll need to prove he's still got enough athletic gifts, KWALL's right in that his numbers a year ago raise questions.
RE: RE: Jon..  
arcarsenal : 7/31/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12395443 Jon said:
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In comment 12395399 arcarsenal said:


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Yup. On the same page.



glad to hear it!


Sonofa...
RE: Jones is 30+  
TheMick7 : 7/31/2015 9:04 am : link
In comment 12395455 JonC said:
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so he'll need to prove he's still got enough athletic gifts, KWALL's right in that his numbers a year ago raise questions.


I think his #'s have something to do w/being in a new offense & a young QB learning to be a pro.He did have a career high 73 catches although his 9.1 avg was a career low. At the price we're getting him, questions on Cruz,OBJ's health & his knowledge of the O, this is a no brainer!
RE: Jones is 30+  
Big Blue '56 : 7/31/2015 9:05 am : link
In comment 12395455 JonC said:
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so he'll need to prove he's still got enough athletic gifts, KWALL's right in that his numbers a year ago raise questions.


Sure they do, but as a 4th receiver with vet/championship experience, with an OC who knows his strengths (and weaknesses) and can play to them as needed, this is a no-lose, no-brainer signing imo..If he's truly toast or close to it, we wave bye-bye and very little, if anything, is lost..
I'm not knocking the signing, if you read my prior posts  
JonC : 7/31/2015 9:10 am : link
just stating he'll need to earn a roster spot, and he'll probably wind up the #4 WR on the depth chart. A potentially good add and worth bringing him in even for competition only.

Quality depth and four WRs is a good thing, perhaps he'll help compress RR's numbers ahead of extension talks.
I just don't see him making the team  
beatrixkiddo : 7/31/2015 9:18 am : link
minus any injuries.

Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Harris are locks.

Washington, and Recent draft pick Davis to me seem to be the 5-6 WR.

Then you have Parker, and Edwards. I hope Edwards can get stashed on PS. But other than camp compettition I just don't see the aging vet on the decline as beating out any of these young guys.
Good points Jon..  
Big Blue '56 : 7/31/2015 9:20 am : link
I'm just not that concerned with his numbers in Oakland..Not sure how he was used and what system was in place there..I guess we'll know, sooner, rather than later..
Some of the comments on this thread are strange  
Mike from Ohio : 7/31/2015 9:29 am : link
He is veteran depth with a proven track record in the NFL, coming to a system he is familiar with. He does not push anyone off the roster who deserves a spot. He is here to compete, and push someone off the roster if he outperforms them. That is exactly what every team tries to do in training camp - have several viable options that push each other to play better.

I am not sure how there is any downside to this signing at all. Did he get a deal that makes him un-cuttable this year?
Not sure why anyone would complain.  
Watson : 7/31/2015 9:31 am : link
Competition is always a good thing.

Question if NYG considering using 4 WR sets more frequently would they keep 7? Don't know how they could without being thin someplace else.
RE: RE: Jon..  
BrettNYG10 : 7/31/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12395443 Jon said:
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In comment 12395399 arcarsenal said:


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Yup. On the same page.



glad to hear it!


He meant the better Jon.

Is Jones's lack of speed a bigger issue in an offense predicated on a three step drop? I imagine quickness is more important in this system than the prior one, which allowed for longer developing routes.
How can anybody knock his stats?  
Big Rick in FL : 7/31/2015 9:38 am : link
He had 666 yards & 6 TDs with a rookie QB who had no time to throw the ball & Jones was the only legit option. So he saw all of the defenses attention. My good friend is a Raiders fan so I watched a decent amount of their games. If he had a veteran QB he would have been around 900-1000 yards & 9-10 TDs.
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BrettNYG10 : 7/31/2015 9:40 am : link
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QB who had no time to throw the ball


Brett  
Big Rick in FL : 7/31/2015 9:41 am : link
It was probably worse then what Eli has been going through the last two years.
He'll be taking snaps  
OC2.0 : 7/31/2015 9:45 am : link
From other guys is my only complaint.
Good point Rick, re Carr..  
Big Blue '56 : 7/31/2015 9:45 am : link
I try to make it my business to watch all new QBs with potential in year 1..He took many a beating, yet continually brushed himself off and got back on the horse..I think this kid's gonna be a heckuva QB moving forward
If he finds the sticks on 3rd down he would be worth keeping.  
Victor in CT : 7/31/2015 9:47 am : link
Tony Galbreath was pretty valuable doing nothing but.
And TG was slow as shit compared to his Saints' heydays, imo..  
Big Blue '56 : 7/31/2015 9:49 am : link
Yet, he got the job done..It's called effort..Lots of it
RE: Brett  
BrettNYG10 : 7/31/2015 9:51 am : link
In comment 12395543 Big Rick in FL said:
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It was probably worse then what Eli has been going through the last two years.


I only watched them a handful of times last year and they were awful. And to your point, they had no weapons. Our OL had streaks of decent play last year IMO.
RE: Great signing.  
nicky43 : 7/31/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12395269 Lithium said:
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Hopefully he can play tackle.



LOL! My sentiments exactly though I'm sure he bring needed depth.

It hasn't been officially announced yet  
Brandon Walsh : 7/31/2015 10:07 am : link
by the Giants which is why we haven't heard who is being released. I wonder who it is?

Ben Edwards to IR is my guess.
Parker  
area junc : 7/31/2015 10:30 am : link
had to groan the minute we signed Dwayne Harris. Don't they do the exact same thing? With Harris being bigger, stronger, faster and more highly compensated?

Harris backs up Cruz, with Washington and James Jones vs. Geremy Davis outside.
I think people on BBI value Washington a lot more than the staff  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 10:33 am : link
does.
If he can compete & move the chains...  
Jim Burt64 : 7/31/2015 10:38 am : link
Welcome JJ.
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