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NFT: My Home Selling/Buying Nightmare: Part II

drkenneth : 7/30/2015 6:44 pm
The deal:

We are under contract to sell my wife and I's small home with intent to buy a larger home (We have found a home we love)...The house a 700SF 1BR/1BR 80 year old-bungalow in a great neighborhood. I've put $$$ into the home, and am fine with losing $$$ on the property.

-Inspection raises concerns about structural issues, we bring in a structural engineer the next week (recommend by buyer's inspector, paid for by me.)

-Inspector writes report recommending $20K worth of repairs: (beams in basement not up to code, fill in cracks, underpin rear bedroom, etc...)

-AC coil and AC unit had to be replaced in past 2 weeks ($3K)

The inspector came on 7/9 and we brought in the engineer on 7/17..Today: (2 weeks later) we get a formal request for repair from buyer, basically demanding every single issue with the house to be repaired/credited). Buyer is concerned about the (most likely) asbestos shingles and possible lead paint....These were non-starters for us a month ago.

Basically, we are willing to offer up a $17.5K price drop + the new AC until ($3K) = $20K. We're getting F'd here, and the buyer is flaky. We sent our lawyer a response TODAY within an hour. We are talking about a cheap, old home in good condition, great yard, great area. This buyer sucks.

This process sucks. Never again.
cut bait  
ron mexico : 7/30/2015 6:53 pm : link
and re list with disclosures clear
what you do depends on  
spike : 7/30/2015 7:00 pm : link
whether you are in a sellers or a buyers market.
RE: cut bait  
drkenneth : 7/30/2015 7:21 pm : link
In comment 12394762 ron mexico said:
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and re list with disclosures clear


It will most likely come to that.
the process sucks  
RasputinPrime : 7/30/2015 7:23 pm : link
and the constant presence of shitty realtors, no-nothing lawyers/notaries and greedy buyers makes it worse.

We process about 5 purchases/sales a month in my office and I'm usually shaking my head over no less than 4 of them.
went through this exact thing in the spring with out house  
jlukes : 7/30/2015 7:28 pm : link
this buyer is looking for a way to get out of buying your house.

We told our initial buyer to forget it, and found a new buyer that actually wanted the house
RE: the process sucks  
drkenneth : 7/30/2015 7:32 pm : link
In comment 12394825 RasputinPrime said:
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and the constant presence of shitty realtors, no-nothing lawyers/notaries and greedy buyers makes it worse.

We process about 5 purchases/sales a month in my office and I'm usually shaking my head over no less than 4 of them.



It's mind numbing. You don't want to buy my house? Fine. But can we decide that in less than a month? The buyer submitted the same requests/concerns she did a month ago. We've gotten no where in a month, other than me spending $500 on an engineer, to tell me how to re-build my entire home, lol. I also dropped $300 on an exterminator to treat for non-existent powder post beetles! Then the new AC Unit!

Serenity NOW!
RE: went through this exact thing in the spring with out house  
drkenneth : 7/30/2015 7:34 pm : link
In comment 12394832 jlukes said:
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this buyer is looking for a way to get out of buying your house.

We told our initial buyer to forget it, and found a new buyer that actually wanted the house


Yup. Buyer is a 1st timer and clearly wants an old house with charm, but wants to do no work. Price point is bottom of the market, we're not talking a $500K+ home here. Stop wasting everyone's time.
Usually you end up  
Randy in CT : 7/30/2015 8:12 pm : link
somewhere in the middle. Of course, how bad do you want to sell it? Post inspection you can just say no to any deductions or deal is off--no harm no foul. They eat the inspection fee which could make the less-informed Buyers squirm at the notion.
Your buyer/inspector  
jlukes : 7/30/2015 8:17 pm : link
sounds an awful lot like our first buyer and their inspector - which ended up being a family friend of theres that was just looking for things to help them get out of the contract.
I  
AcidTest : 7/30/2015 8:37 pm : link
am sorry for your problems. Best of luck.
RE: Usually you end up  
drkenneth : 7/30/2015 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12394921 Randy in CT said:
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somewhere in the middle. Of course, how bad do you want to sell it? Post inspection you can just say no to any deductions or deal is off--no harm no foul. They eat the inspection fee which could make the less-informed Buyers squirm at the notion.


Yup. The thing is: I'm not sure how bad they want it...They have said multiple times they loved the house. Their lawyer is an issue as well. We WANT TO SELL.
Yeah, the "no nothing" lawyer...  
Crispino : 7/30/2015 9:09 pm : link
is the problem. Buyers and sellers are the problem 99.99% of the time when real estate deals go bad.

Assuming you can still get a CO with the issues  
Scyber : 7/30/2015 9:13 pm : link
Then there is no need to immediately fix the issues. Its a negotiation, they are asking for everything, you need to counter with something else. PITA, but its part of the process.
RE: Assuming you can still get a CO with the issues  
drkenneth : 7/30/2015 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12395055 Scyber said:
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Then there is no need to immediately fix the issues. Its a negotiation, they are asking for everything, you need to counter with something else. PITA, but its part of the process.


Is a CO going to be an issue now?
Cut 'em off already  
jcn56 : 7/30/2015 9:27 pm : link
You already did too much - it's negotiation, and they're not willing to compromise in any way. I'm with those who said re-list and move on.
You've already offered too much in concessions.  
BlueLou : 7/30/2015 9:55 pm : link
Back off now and relist at ~10k less with problems noted.
The problem is brokers  
Mike in NY : 7/30/2015 10:01 pm : link
They tell you to concede to everything because they want the commission. I have had clients talked into expensive and unnecessary repairs by brokers and then it gets dumped in my lap as an attorney and if I scuttle things by representing what my client really wants I am persona non grata
RE: RE: the process sucks  
steve in ky : 7/30/2015 11:20 pm : link
In comment 12394846 drkenneth said:
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In comment 12394825 RasputinPrime said:


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and the constant presence of shitty realtors, no-nothing lawyers/notaries and greedy buyers makes it worse.

We process about 5 purchases/sales a month in my office and I'm usually shaking my head over no less than 4 of them.




It's mind numbing. You don't want to buy my house? Fine. But can we decide that in less than a month? The buyer submitted the same requests/concerns she did a month ago. We've gotten no where in a month, other than me spending $500 on an engineer, to tell me how to re-build my entire home, lol. I also dropped $300 on an exterminator to treat for non-existent powder post beetles! Then the new AC Unit!

Serenity NOW!


This is why I recommended in your first thread to offer them an as is price and give them a firm date of about a week to accept your offer or offer expires.

Sorry you hear are having to go through this extra aggravation.
I've Sold Houses In NY And California  
Trainmaster : 7/30/2015 11:22 pm : link
Such a different process. Much simpler and better IMHO in California.

In NY, I had to hire a lawyer for what I felt was zero value added. Met in a large room with the buyers, the buyer's realtor, the buyer's lawyer, my realtor, my lawyer. Long meeting. Lawyers haggling over trivial stuff (how do we divide a $26 water bill. How about take the days of the month the house was partially owned and divide it. I need a lawyer for that?).

In California, no lawyer required (no problems with any of the sales), never met the buyer. Never met the buyer's realtor. Just dealt with my realtor.
so, lets sum up  
HomerJones45 : 7/31/2015 6:01 am : link
You want your buyers and their lender to happily pay your price for your antiquated bungalow for which there is a limited market and take over your structural and environmental issues and kiss your ass for fixing the nonexistent central air that you no doubt claimed was present.

Yep, sure sounds like everyone is the problem here but you.

RE: so, lets sum up  
drkenneth : 7/31/2015 7:49 am : link
In comment 12395329 HomerJones45 said:
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You want your buyers and their lender to happily pay your price for your antiquated bungalow for which there is a limited market and take over your structural and environmental issues and kiss your ass for fixing the nonexistent central air that you no doubt claimed was present.

Yep, sure sounds like everyone is the problem here but you.


Eat shit.
RE: RE: RE: the process sucks  
drkenneth : 7/31/2015 7:50 am : link
In comment 12395251 steve in ky said:
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In comment 12394846 drkenneth said:


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In comment 12394825 RasputinPrime said:


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and the constant presence of shitty realtors, no-nothing lawyers/notaries and greedy buyers makes it worse.

We process about 5 purchases/sales a month in my office and I'm usually shaking my head over no less than 4 of them.




It's mind numbing. You don't want to buy my house? Fine. But can we decide that in less than a month? The buyer submitted the same requests/concerns she did a month ago. We've gotten no where in a month, other than me spending $500 on an engineer, to tell me how to re-build my entire home, lol. I also dropped $300 on an exterminator to treat for non-existent powder post beetles! Then the new AC Unit!

Serenity NOW!



This is why I recommended in your first thread to offer them an as is price and give them a firm date of about a week to accept your offer or offer expires.

Sorry you hear are having to go through this extra aggravation.


This is where we are at now. We've been waiting on their lawyer for weeks.
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