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NFT: Jay Bruce to the Mets for Zack Wheeler?

sphinx : 7/30/2015 7:40 pm
Buster Olney & #8207;@Buster_ESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Reds willing to trade Jay Bruce to the Mets for Zack Wheeler now. Worth watching over the next 20 hours.

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But can he pass  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/30/2015 7:43 pm : link
a strenuous Met physical?
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago Manhattan, NY  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/30/2015 7:45 pm : link
gomez has already passed astros medical review. done deal. #astros #crew
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sphinx : 7/30/2015 7:51 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
Meanwhile, #Mets didnt think Tulo was available, then backed off on Gomez. Also hearing possibility of Bruce, as mentioned by @Buster_ESPN.

I don't know why  
RasputinPrime : 7/30/2015 8:07 pm : link
the Mets are willing to sell low on Wheeler. Sure he may not come back strong but if he does he is at least a number 2. With how precarious starting pitching is, i'm surprised.
This organization is  
Johnny Boy : 7/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
embarrassing and comical at the same time.
I don't think is selling low  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
Power hitters don't come cheap.
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sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
John Fay
Confirmed the #Reds have interest in Zack Wheeler. Guessing it take more than him to get Bruce.


Reds beat writer

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sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:09 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.

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ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:11 pm : link
In comment 12394913 sphinx said:
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Ken Rosenthal
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.


Thats what Im thinking and I don't hate it. Im betting Granderson doesn't embarrass himself.
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sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:11 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
#Reds Bruce is owed the balance of his $12M salary this season and $12.5M next season. Has $13M club option or $1M buyout for 2017.

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ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:13 pm : link
In comment 12394920 sphinx said:
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Ken Rosenthal
#Reds Bruce is owed the balance of his $12M salary this season and $12.5M next season. Has $13M club option or $1M buyout for 2017.


So in other words... MORE than Gomez.
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sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:17 pm : link
John Fay
John Fay retweeted Ben Hamm
#Reds said they arent trading and no. John Fay added,

Ben Hamm @bmhamm
@johnfayman do you think that wheeler for frazier would be a good trade?

So the Reds beat writer said  
sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:19 pm : link
"Confirmed the #Reds have interest in Zack Wheeler" and 9 minutes later said they weren't trading.

RE: So the Reds beat writer said  
KWhite2250 : 7/30/2015 8:21 pm : link
In comment 12394933 sphinx said:
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"Confirmed the #Reds have interest in Zack Wheeler" and 9 minutes later said they weren't trading.


Not trading frazier
RE: RE: So the Reds beat writer said  
sphinx : 7/30/2015 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12394936 KWhite2250 said:
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In comment 12394933 sphinx said:Quote:"Confirmed the #Reds have interest in Zack Wheeler" and 9 minutes later said they weren't trading.


Not trading frazier

mmmm
I wouldnt do  
Rflairr : 7/30/2015 8:24 pm : link
that. For one, I don't think the Mets need another lefty bat.

I also doubt the Mets would take on that much salary.
Parra just got traded  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:28 pm : link
to the Orioles.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2015 8:32 pm : link
Frazier for Wheeler? He must have spelled Syndergaard (and others) wrong.
RE: lol  
Jay on the Island : 7/30/2015 8:33 pm : link
In comment 12394949 DanMetroMan said:
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Frazier for Wheeler? He must have spelled Syndergaard (and others) wrong.

The trade predictions that Mets fans make are very entertaining.
Who was better  
Canton : 7/30/2015 8:33 pm : link
Bruce or Gomez?
These trades are coming in now.  
Four Aces : 7/30/2015 8:34 pm : link
.
RE: lol  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/30/2015 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12394949 DanMetroMan said:
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Frazier for Wheeler? He must have spelled Syndergaard (and others) wrong.

Hey, we could toss in a Mejia.
RE: Who was better  
DanMetroMan : 7/30/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12394953 Canton said:
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Bruce or Gomez?


When healthy Gomez is the better player and fit
Bruce is a good  
Metnut : 7/30/2015 8:37 pm : link
player but does he even make sense? I don't think we can move Grandy to CF for 2 years and I think Conforto belongs in the show.
Sandy  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:39 pm : link
Mike Vorkunov ‏@Mike_Vorkunov 1m1 minute ago
Sandy Aderson: "It's very simple. Our doctors felt the health risk was too great. Houston's doctors apparently feel otherwise. That's it."
RE: Bruce is a good  
Four Aces : 7/30/2015 8:39 pm : link
In comment 12394966 Metnut said:
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player but does he even make sense? I don't think we can move Grandy to CF for 2 years and I think Conforto belongs in the show.


I don't think Conforto needs to be an everyday OF this year or next.
RE: Bruce is a good  
Rflairr : 7/30/2015 8:39 pm : link
In comment 12394966 Metnut said:
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player but does he even make sense? I don't think we can move Grandy to CF for 2 years and I think Conforto belongs in the show.


Nope. They need a righty bat to be honest
I really wish we would keep Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:41 pm : link
and go after Cespedes for some sort of prospect package but I guess thats not likely.
Really not excited for Bruce  
PhiPsi125 : 7/30/2015 8:43 pm : link
Not a great fit. Either conforto or granderson will need to play less or move granderson to CF and get weaker defensively. And the last thing we need is another ultra streaky player. Ugh.
Even if Conforto  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:43 pm : link
is good he still had terrible lefty/righty splits in the minors. Granderson has never been good against left-handers.

If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
Wheeler as the main part in a Bruce trade is a no brainer.  
arcarsenal : 7/30/2015 8:47 pm : link
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Bruce is actually  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:49 pm : link
younger, under control longer, and having the better season. It sucks that he's not a CF but Id actually feel MORE comfortable giving up Wheeler for Bruce than Gomez.
For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots  
Shecky : 7/30/2015 8:52 pm : link
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.

Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'm not one to defend the FO  
feelflows : 7/30/2015 8:53 pm : link
as you know by now, but...

I believe Sandy on this one. If Gomez's hip wasn't an issue, explain his production.

The Mets are being cautios.. if he needed surgery and missed significant time, it would set the Mets back for nothing.

Wheeler for Bruce doesn't sound right.. like someone said, it's likely Wheeler + for Bruce. Let's see if it comes to that.
RE: For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots  
arcarsenal : 7/30/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12394999 Shecky said:
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.

Brewers panicked and got hosed.


I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
Unless of course  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 8:57 pm : link
Gomez continues to hit .260 with 7 SB and 8HR for the Astros.
Bruce would stiflel a lot of the talk about "money" being the issue  
Vanzetti : 7/30/2015 8:59 pm : link
And looking at Bruce's numbers, they are actually very very solid.

He obviously doesn't have all Gomez's tools and doesn't play CF but if you talk strictly about hitting, he might be a shade better.

He also hits LHP and RHP equally well this season

But if the Mets don't get bruce or someone else, it will be hard to argue that money was not an issue--especially after the Astros traded for Gomez
This might sound crazy  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 9:01 pm : link
but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.

He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.

Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
Arc  
Shecky : 7/30/2015 9:01 pm : link
Agree 100%
Two losers and only one winner in this. And that's the Astros.
RE: RE: For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots  
feelflows : 7/30/2015 9:02 pm : link
In comment 12395007 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12394999 Shecky said:


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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.

Brewers panicked and got hosed.



I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.


I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?

do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.

If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.

Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
RE: This might sound crazy  
feelflows : 7/30/2015 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12395015 ZGiants98 said:
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but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.

He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.

Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".


maybe, but it points more at injury.

he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
There's not a doubt about it  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 9:04 pm : link
A Conforto-Granderson-Bruce outfield packs a lot more punch than a Conforto-Gomez-Granderson one.

The only question is how much defense in CF do we lose and is it justifiable? Having a better arm in RF might help us in that regard. Granderson has shown some pretty nice range this year. IDK. Could work. And we'd still have Lagares to take over in later innings.
I don't understand why we're just taking MIL and Boras at face value  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/30/2015 9:05 pm : link
Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.
RE: RE: This might sound crazy  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12395021 feelflows said:
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In comment 12395015 ZGiants98 said:


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but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.

He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.

Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".



maybe, but it points more at injury.

he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops


Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.
RE: I don't understand why we're just taking MIL and Boras at face value  
feelflows : 7/30/2015 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12395026 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.


TTH, I agree with you.

Power and speed come from your legs and hips. Maybe it isn't his hips.. maybe it's a leg, a knee, a foot. Either way, something is up.

Like I said, it's not an off year. He's not "off".. he fell off a cliff.
RE: RE: RE: For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots  
Jay on the Island : 7/30/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12395020 feelflows said:
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In comment 12395007 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 12394999 Shecky said:


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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.

Brewers panicked and got hosed.



I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.



I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?

do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.

If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.

Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.

A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
you can never have too many lefty power hitters  
Vanzetti : 7/30/2015 9:07 pm : link
never
RE: I don't understand why we're just taking MIL and Boras at face value  
ZGiants98 : 7/30/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12395026 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.


Yup. Every post or comment Ive ever read about Gomez is he's a huge stolen base threat, 20 Homerun power, and gold glove CF. Thats literally where all his value lied. He is none of those things this year.
RE: RE: RE: This might sound crazy  
feelflows : 7/30/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12395028 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 12395021 feelflows said:


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In comment 12395015 ZGiants98 said:


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but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.

He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.

Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".



maybe, but it points more at injury.

he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops



Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.


right. gradual decline. Not from 35+ steals to 7.
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sphinx : 7/30/2015 9:09 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Mets trying to land #Reds Bruce. Also exploring other options. Wheeler most likely would go to CIN and maybe one other piece.


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