Buster Olney & #8207;@Buster_ESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Reds willing to trade Jay Bruce to the Mets for Zack Wheeler now. Worth watching over the next 20 hours.
Ken Rosenthal
Meanwhile, #Mets didnt think Tulo was available, then backed off on Gomez. Also hearing possibility of Bruce, as mentioned by @Buster_ESPN.
the Mets are willing to sell low on Wheeler. Sure he may not come back strong but if he does he is at least a number 2. With how precarious starting pitching is, i'm surprised.
Ken Rosenthal
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.
Ken Rosenthal
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.
Thats what Im thinking and I don't hate it. Im betting Granderson doesn't embarrass himself.
Mike Vorkunov @Mike_Vorkunov 1m1 minute ago
Sandy Aderson: "It's very simple. Our doctors felt the health risk was too great. Houston's doctors apparently feel otherwise. That's it."
Not a great fit. Either conforto or granderson will need to play less or move granderson to CF and get weaker defensively. And the last thing we need is another ultra streaky player. Ugh.
is good he still had terrible lefty/righty splits in the minors. Granderson has never been good against left-handers.
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
Wheeler as the main part in a Bruce trade is a no brainer.
younger, under control longer, and having the better season. It sucks that he's not a CF but Id actually feel MORE comfortable giving up Wheeler for Bruce than Gomez.
For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
A Conforto-Granderson-Bruce outfield packs a lot more punch than a Conforto-Gomez-Granderson one.
The only question is how much defense in CF do we lose and is it justifiable? Having a better arm in RF might help us in that regard. Granderson has shown some pretty nice range this year. IDK. Could work. And we'd still have Lagares to take over in later innings.
I don't understand why we're just taking MIL and Boras at face value
Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.
RE: I don't understand why we're just taking MIL and Boras at face value
Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.
TTH, I agree with you.
Power and speed come from your legs and hips. Maybe it isn't his hips.. maybe it's a leg, a knee, a foot. Either way, something is up.
Like I said, it's not an off year. He's not "off".. he fell off a cliff.
RE: RE: RE: For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
Gomez is a speed player who isn't playing with speed. There's something bothering him that's causing him to not do the things that made him an all star. You even have a quote of him discussing in.
Yup. Every post or comment Ive ever read about Gomez is he's a huge stolen base threat, 20 Homerun power, and gold glove CF. Thats literally where all his value lied. He is none of those things this year.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.
Meanwhile, #Mets didnt think Tulo was available, then backed off on Gomez. Also hearing possibility of Bruce, as mentioned by @Buster_ESPN.
Confirmed the #Reds have interest in Zack Wheeler. Guessing it take more than him to get Bruce.
Reds beat writer
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.
If #Mets get Bruce - and it is very much an if - Granderson likely would move from RF to CF and Lagares would become late-inning reserve.
Thats what Im thinking and I don't hate it. Im betting Granderson doesn't embarrass himself.
#Reds Bruce is owed the balance of his $12M salary this season and $12.5M next season. Has $13M club option or $1M buyout for 2017.
#Reds Bruce is owed the balance of his $12M salary this season and $12.5M next season. Has $13M club option or $1M buyout for 2017.
So in other words... MORE than Gomez.
John Fay retweeted Ben Hamm
#Reds said they arent trading and no. John Fay added,
Ben Hamm @bmhamm
@johnfayman do you think that wheeler for frazier would be a good trade?
Not trading frazier
Not trading frazier
mmmm
I also doubt the Mets would take on that much salary.
The trade predictions that Mets fans make are very entertaining.
Hey, we could toss in a Mejia.
When healthy Gomez is the better player and fit
Sandy Aderson: "It's very simple. Our doctors felt the health risk was too great. Houston's doctors apparently feel otherwise. That's it."
I don't think Conforto needs to be an everyday OF this year or next.
Nope. They need a righty bat to be honest
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I believe Sandy on this one. If Gomez's hip wasn't an issue, explain his production.
The Mets are being cautios.. if he needed surgery and missed significant time, it would set the Mets back for nothing.
Wheeler for Bruce doesn't sound right.. like someone said, it's likely Wheeler + for Bruce. Let's see if it comes to that.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
He obviously doesn't have all Gomez's tools and doesn't play CF but if you talk strictly about hitting, he might be a shade better.
He also hits LHP and RHP equally well this season
But if the Mets don't get bruce or someone else, it will be hard to argue that money was not an issue--especially after the Astros traded for Gomez
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
Two losers and only one winner in this. And that's the Astros.
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
The only question is how much defense in CF do we lose and is it justifiable? Having a better arm in RF might help us in that regard. Granderson has shown some pretty nice range this year. IDK. Could work. And we'd still have Lagares to take over in later innings.
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but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.
TTH, I agree with you.
Power and speed come from your legs and hips. Maybe it isn't his hips.. maybe it's a leg, a knee, a foot. Either way, something is up.
Like I said, it's not an off year. He's not "off".. he fell off a cliff.
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
Yup. Every post or comment Ive ever read about Gomez is he's a huge stolen base threat, 20 Homerun power, and gold glove CF. Thats literally where all his value lied. He is none of those things this year.
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In comment 12395015 ZGiants98 said:
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but I actually think Gomez was a juicer.
He physically got huge over night and his production spiked through the roof for just two years after a career of mediocrity. Now he has hip issues, ect.and his numbers are WAY down.
Could be totally wrong but he fits the profile to a "T".
maybe, but it points more at injury.
he was always projected to be a productive player, even when he was a string bean. I am sure he'll return to productive player, just depends on when he recoops
Not necessarily. For players who's games are built on speed, 30 is the magic number where these players tend to start declining. See Jose Reyes.
right. gradual decline. Not from 35+ steals to 7.
Sources: #Mets trying to land #Reds Bruce. Also exploring other options. Wheeler most likely would go to CIN and maybe one other piece.