Buster Olney & #8207;@Buster_ESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Reds willing to trade Jay Bruce to the Mets for Zack Wheeler now. Worth watching over the next 20 hours.
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
Just because they are career high's doesn't mean they are good. A .260 hitter with 8 HR and no speed is not that intriguing sorry. Like I said, Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe are each better offensively this year.
is good he still had terrible lefty/righty splits in the minors. Granderson has never been good against left-handers.
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
It actually works out well because Cuddyer probably can't play more than a few games a week anyway.
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
is good he still had terrible lefty/righty splits in the minors. Granderson has never been good against left-handers.
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
It actually works out well because Cuddyer probably can't play more than a few games a week anyway.
Yup and you can still use Cuddyer off the bench mostly or to give Duda a day off. Its growing on me big time. Bruce would still be a very nice addition.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: For anyone who thinks the Astros trades proves the Mets are idiots
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
Yes the stolen bases are way down but when you look at homeruns you have to look at the number of games he played in which is literally half or the previous season so of course he is going to have less homers.
He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
the numbers that refer to a lower body injury are way off.
if you don't agree that his power and speed numbers are way off, that's fine. but if you do think they are, there is a direct correlation between speed/power and lower body.
He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
Yeah I wasn't arguing to suggest they should have made the trade I was just pointing out a very incorrect statement that all of his numbers were dramatically down.
Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
Yes the stolen bases are way down but when you look at homeruns you have to look at the number of games he played in which is literally half or the previous season so of course he is going to have less homers.
Still down though. At best your saying he'll hit 15-16 HR then. He hit 24 last year. He's actually on pace to hit 12 playing the "majority" of the season. He only missed two weeks.
He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
Yeah I wasn't arguing to suggest they should have made the trade I was just pointing out a very incorrect statement that all of his numbers were dramatically down.
He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
the numbers that refer to a lower body injury are way off.
if you don't agree that his power and speed numbers are way off, that's fine. but if you do think they are, there is a direct correlation between speed/power and lower body.
I agreed that his speed numbers were way off but his power numbers weren't when you look at the number of at bats. He has 8 homers in 314 at bats. Last year he had 23 in 644 at bats so of course he is going to have a lot less when he has literally less than half the number of at bats than last season.
Gomez has 8 homers in 74 games. If you project that over a full season that is 18 homers. If you project it to what he played the previous two seasons it would be 16 homers.
Gomez has 8 homers in 74 games. If you project that over a full season that is 18 homers. If you project it to what he played the previous two seasons it would be 16 homers.
Come on dude. Seriously? Don't you start too. Im going off of abats. He hit 24 homeruns in 644 atbats last year. He's hit 8 homeruns in 314 abats this year or roughly half. He's well off his mark from last season.
he's somebody else's headache. If he magically turns into MVP Gomez over the next two months and next year Ill obviously regret it but too early to tell now.
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Think about Wheeler this way: Pitches in July 2016. Big-time innings limit 2017. So you're waiting until 2018 for 200 innings.
that's fine, but no matter what way you cut it he's their #5 starter.
they don't need him to be a savior.
IF they don't trade Wheeler, I'm fine with that. They can't have enough pitchers. Hopefully the days of Gee/Figeroa and company are gone. (Even though I bitched about Dickey being on the staff, woops lol)
I really don't. Your getting a gold glove caliber player in RF with a golden arm which would dramatically upgrade that position. Granderson arm in CF would be better than Lagares's currently and Granderson is showing pretty good range this year. Against lefties I would still go Cuddyer-Lagares- Bruce. Against righties Conforto-Granderson-Bruce. Sure we lose some defense in CF but you upgrade defense in RF also.
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
Just because they are career high's doesn't mean they are good. A .260 hitter with 8 HR and no speed is not that intriguing sorry. Like I said, Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe are each better offensively this year.
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
It actually works out well because Cuddyer probably can't play more than a few games a week anyway.
John Fay retweeted James
Because theyve talked to other teams about him. John Fay added,
James @theAgent_Z
@johnfayman Why do you think Bruce is considered a trade piece? Hard enough to trying to fill the LF hole...
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
Sources: #Mets trying to land #Reds Bruce. Also exploring other options. Wheeler most likely would go to CIN and maybe one other piece.
NOTE ... "Also exploring other options"
Why not concentrate on other guys that may be available?
Jeez.
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is good he still had terrible lefty/righty splits in the minors. Granderson has never been good against left-handers.
If probably go Conforto-Granderson-Bruce against right-handers and Cuddyer-Lagares-Bruce against lefthanders. I think that would add some serious punch to the outfield.
It actually works out well because Cuddyer probably can't play more than a few games a week anyway.
Yup and you can still use Cuddyer off the bench mostly or to give Duda a day off. Its growing on me big time. Bruce would still be a very nice addition.
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
Yes the stolen bases are way down but when you look at homeruns you have to look at the number of games he played in which is literally half or the previous season so of course he is going to have less homers.
Sources: #Orioles talking to #Brewers about Parra. Earlier, @LookoutLanding mentioned that RHP Zach Davies could go to MIL.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
the numbers that refer to a lower body injury are way off.
if you don't agree that his power and speed numbers are way off, that's fine. but if you do think they are, there is a direct correlation between speed/power and lower body.
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He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
Yeah I wasn't arguing to suggest they should have made the trade I was just pointing out a very incorrect statement that all of his numbers were dramatically down.
I'm just saying, from here, I can see where they may have looked close at his medical records and had 2nd thoughts.
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Look at the final Brewers - Astros trade. And compare it to what the Mets Brewers trade was going to be. I've been screaming for the Mets to work a deal with the Astros for Phillips for weeks now. So I like him a LOT. But, that was an absolutely horrible trade for the Brewers. Especially in comparison to what they were going to get from the Mets. Let the dust settle, this isn't a homerism rant, just reality.
Brewers panicked and got hosed.
I'd much prefer to have been the team that got Gomez for what the Astros just did rather than be the team that significantly lowered Gomez' value.
I know what Gomez has been.. but isn't it a red flag that he's had hip discomfort AND is batting .260, under 10 SB, Under 10HR?
do you realize what a drop off that is from his past few years? it's not an off year, it's a ridiculous fall off of a cliff.
If they got him, why should we have expected a jump back to normalcy? And if it IS his hip, what's to say he won't need surgery? and what's to say if he DOESN'T get surgery that his production stays where it is right now.
Too many questions before you trade Wheeler for him.
A ridiculous fall of of a cliff? His BA is the 3rd highest of his career. OBP is also the 3rd highest. The only stat that he is way down on is stolen bases.
SB 37>40>34 now SEVEN
HR 19>24>23 now EIGHT
that's power and speed.
if he was a .320 hitter, then your BA stat would be relevant. .262 BA really isn't a stat to hang his hat on.
Yes the stolen bases are way down but when you look at homeruns you have to look at the number of games he played in which is literally half or the previous season so of course he is going to have less homers.
Still down though. At best your saying he'll hit 15-16 HR then. He hit 24 last year. He's actually on pace to hit 12 playing the "majority" of the season. He only missed two weeks.
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He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
Its cool man but I tend to agree with him. Gomez is a power/speed guy and both of those most crucial numbers are down. Hitting .260 without pop doesn't mean a whole lot.
Yeah I wasn't arguing to suggest they should have made the trade I was just pointing out a very incorrect statement that all of his numbers were dramatically down.
Gotcha.
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He said his numbers are way off and they clearly are not that was the point of my post.
the numbers that refer to a lower body injury are way off.
if you don't agree that his power and speed numbers are way off, that's fine. but if you do think they are, there is a direct correlation between speed/power and lower body.
I agreed that his speed numbers were way off but his power numbers weren't when you look at the number of at bats. He has 8 homers in 314 at bats. Last year he had 23 in 644 at bats so of course he is going to have a lot less when he has literally less than half the number of at bats than last season.
Sources: #Mets trying to land #Reds Bruce. Also exploring other options. Wheeler most likely would go to CIN and maybe one other piece.
flores
oh wait that was last night
Regarding #Orioles, Parra: Doubtful that offer of Davies would be enough. #Brewers setting high price on Parra; top 10 in NL in BA, SLG.
Come on dude. Seriously? Don't you start too. Im going off of abats. He hit 24 homeruns in 644 atbats last year. He's hit 8 homeruns in 314 abats this year or roughly half. He's well off his mark from last season.
Source confirms: #DBacks awaiting word on proposal to #Reds for Chapman. First reported: @JonHeymanCBS.
Heard a week ago #Mets #Reds had talked Bruce, Wheeler. Feeling now is prob would take Wheeler and another piece to get Bruce
Think about Wheeler this way: Pitches in July 2016. Big-time innings limit 2017. So you're waiting until 2018 for 200 innings.
Think about Wheeler this way: Pitches in July 2016. Big-time innings limit 2017. So you're waiting until 2018 for 200 innings.
that's fine, but no matter what way you cut it he's their #5 starter.
they don't need him to be a savior.
IF they don't trade Wheeler, I'm fine with that. They can't have enough pitchers. Hopefully the days of Gee/Figeroa and company are gone. (Even though I bitched about Dickey being on the staff, woops lol)
yeah, that deal has turned out badly so far
hoping he can become an asset coming off the bench
The optimist says maybe they learned their lesson.
The pessimist says you were dumb enough to give up a 1st round pick and rely on a catastrophically injury prone plsyer.
Jay Bruce no-trade list, per source: NYY, BOS, OAK, TB, MIA, MIN, TOR, ARZ. Can not block deal to Mets.
He has really come on after struggling a bit after being injured. The bat is legit. He just has to cut down on the errors (25 so far)
Why? Because Mets aren't on it? lol
obviously, he grew up an Orioles fan and hates the scolding hot weather? lol
It really is, lol
Three big buyers that are still active: #Astros (RP?), #BlueJays (SP? LF?), #Dodgers (SP?).
What about the Mets, Ken
Also, a hitter under control for next year (like Bruce) has been far preferable to Alderson than rental. Bruce def sometime to watch here
Three big buyers that are still active: #Astros (RP?), #BlueJays (SP? LF?), #Dodgers (SP?).
What about the Mets, Ken
Buyers probably means willing to take on money and not need the other team to help
2B Murphy
1B Duda
C d'Arnaud
RF Bruce
3B Uribe
LF Conforto
SS Tejada
P Pitcher
Swap Uribe with Wright the end of August and spell Conforto against tough lefties with Cuddyer. Boom.
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