Yanks still trying to work a deal for Kimbrel. Why????? We do not need a closer! We have 2 good back end guys. We need a starter. This would be a slap in the face to both Miller an Betances. You don't trade doe the games best closer to make him a set up guy.
If this trade happens And all we wind up with is
Kimbrel and a crpy utility fielder Ackely, I will be very disappointed in the Yanks front office.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.
I'm not against trading MiLB's stars. I'm just not wanting rentals in return, or guys who are going to cost as much as we could get them for in FA just by waiting a few months.
My sentiments exactly.
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league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).
What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.
And it very well might but my point was about the 2015 Yankees and the final 2 months of this regular season.I'll continue to believe the addition of a Kimbrel would have had a positive domino effect on the pitching staff but what surprises me more is that no supplemental moves were made.The addition of a 3 or 4 SP,another veteran RP is more along the lines of what I expected. That type could have been acquired w/o mortgaging the future as we are in a pennant race. but, that didn't occur so we'll root for the team we have & hope our pitching staff remains(and in some instances ,gets)healthy & in CC's case,finds the fountain of youth!
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.
That new GM in San Diego is a fucking clown. But I'm very happy we didn't do that deal
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
I didn't come into this season with any expectations either, but look at the circumstances:
-Wide open AL
-6 game lead at the end of July
-Best case scenario performance from Gardner, Tex and A-Rod
-All of the AL contenders made fairly significant moves to improve at the deadline
-The pitching was already shaky, and now Pineda's out for a month
This could very well be their best shot at a title for at least several years to come. Hard to be so sanguine about that.
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?
You said it.
Still better than Garrett Jones in every way imaginable.
Yep. And being that nobody else, Cubs, Red Sox, or Astros were able to get anything done with them tells us all we need to know about the asking price.
Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.
Bats - not much they could've done there as 2B was really the only position they could've upgraded easily (without benching Beltran).
SPs - once they missed out on Cueto/Price/Hamels, what were they supposed to do? Overpay for a backend guy? Is a 3-4 starter really that much better than Mitchell/Warren, especially when they'd likely have to include a couple prospects on the Mitchell/Warren level in the deal?
They're finally getting legit prospects to the upper levels. If these guys keep hitting the way they have been, their value (even as trade chips) will only rise.
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you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.
Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.
The best parts of the Ackley trade:
1. Jones is gone
2. Free up a 40 man spot (be it for Bailey, Severino, whoever)
Agree. The great teams of late 90's / early 2000's had a solid core of home grown talent that carried them for a number of years.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
Incremental improvement. That's not what you trade anything away for. If Yanks should've made any moves, should've been for pitching. Not Uribe and/or Johnson. Come on, now.
Cashman: I think Severino will be making his next start in the big leagues for us
Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade.
Regular rest would be Monday, but they're off. So it looks like he'll make his debut Tuesday against...Boston!
On the bright side, it's like facing a AAA lineup!
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Regular rest would be Monday, but they're off. So it looks like he'll make his debut Tuesday against...Boston!
On the bright side, it's like facing a AAA lineup!
He has been outstanding at Scranton. Guess the future is now for the kid. 21 year old making his first start against the Red Sox? I like it.
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Cashman: Severino will have no innings limit. They prepared early in the season so he would be ready for this.
Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade.
wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.
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Cashman: Severino will have no innings limit. They prepared early in the season so he would be ready for this.
Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade.
wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.
Not a big deal. At most there's 11-12 starts left and it's unlikely he goes 6 inn/start (he was racking up pretty high pitch counts in AAA). So figure another 50 IP during the season.
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Cashman: Severino will have no innings limit. They prepared early in the season so he would be ready for this.
Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade.
wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.
I am over joyed. Let's go to war!
Yankees were not going to win it this year anyway. Nice story but good to see that they kept their young guys. Check what the real young international guys are doing the future good be very bright for a long time.
Trading Mateo for a reliever would have been stupid. Mateo needs to improve his fielding but he's a solid hitter and has 50+ more steals than anyone else in the minors -every league. He's been on base 130 times and has 79 steals. And despite bing in low A - he is only 20 years old.
We'll be thankful Mateo did not get dealt in three years - and the ten after that.
I think this is a big roll of the dice not to pick up a SP. I like it. Screw it, the Rays have been bringing up their young guys for years and just letting them play. Let's try it. Let Severino pitch. Let the future start Aug 1st....
The inside the park HR last night was pathetic. Yes, Ellsbury made a bad decision but the RF is supposed to back up the CF there.
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