NFT: Yanks talk: Trade deadline final day

raid the farm system and/or take on a second-tier starter? Egos aside, Kimbrel would give the Yanks the best back end of a bullpen since Stanton-Nelson-Rivera (and really, maybe way better if not for Rivera himself). It dramatically shortens games, which has an effect on opponents' approaches in earlier innings as well.

Would I have chosen Kimbrel over Hamels or Price? No. But those guys are already traded now, so in terms of looking for ways to improve the team with the assets available, this is a pretty decent move.

me a #1-#2 available and i will show you a team asking for Severino+

Hamels/Price are done. You will just wind up overpaying for a #2 right now

Miller came in ready to set up Betances & when Betances struggled in the spring, Miller inherited the closer job. Both guys are well versed in setting up & if (It's still a big if as the Astros are also involved & who the Yanks will trade might make this go right until 4:00 EST) the Yankees get Kimbrel, they will fashion themselves after the Royals pen, shortening SP's innings. And, if you add Severino,Mitchell &/or Warren to the rotation,all of them will have an innings limit.

but the Yankees have a great BP now, you're talking a marginal improvement when there are bigger improvements that can be made elsewhere at a fraction the cost. I don't like it.

Fill a hole
Fortify a strength

Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy?

Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right.

In comment 12395476 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Fill a hole Fortify a strength Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy? Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right.

We may have the most dominant BP in the game without him.

it makes you wonder if they should have just kept Robertson in addition to signing Miller.

But CC and Eovaldi can't go deep regularly. Opposing hitters BA's go way up each time through the lineup. There are no more to end guys left. Why not make it a 5 or 6 inning game? They'll call up Severino and you know they'll only let him go 5. Right now getting Chapman or Kimbrel is the best way to go IMO. Hopefully, they are being realistic about Pineda and he's only out a month.

doing their due diligence on a package that would include Ross or Cashner along with Kimbrel, just as the Astros are. I'm sure the cost would be much too high, but maybe the Padres would add one for minimal cost if the Yanks pick up Kimbrels entire contract. The Astros supposedly aren't willing to pay as much of Kimbrels deal as the Yankees are, not surprisingly.

I'm not a huge fan of either Ross or Cashner, but they're both young and have some upside. And they fill a huge need.

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it makes you wonder if they should have just kept Robertson in addition to signing Miller.

Kimbrel is better, cheaper and has a shorter contract. Assuming they are basically just taking on the contract and not sending back top prospects, this is better than keeping Robertson.

going after Kimbrel today. Houston vs Yankee bidding War. Who you think is going to win ?

in the thinking getting Kimbrel would allow Warren to start again?

In comment 12395475 Dunedin81 said:

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but the Yankees have a great BP now, you're talking a marginal improvement when there are bigger improvements that can be made elsewhere at a fraction the cost. I don't like it.

I don't see it as a marginal improvement, just a different way to address it, similar to how the Royals/Giants ran out their BP last year.Certainly securing an SP would be the obvious way to go but at what cost? This AM, a report said Padres are looking to unload large contracts so if Hal were willing(& I'm pretty sure he won't be although I hope I'm wrong),taking Shields along w/Kimbrel might be a way to lessen the minor league package they'd have to give if they absorbed the salary. Again, based on the last couple of years & hal's public comments, it seems unlikely!

In comment 12395490 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12395476 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: Fill a hole Fortify a strength Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy? Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right. We may have the most dominant BP in the game without him.

And it would be that much better with him. Going from great to amazing is still an upgrade. Having two arms the level of Miller/Betances not being tied to the 9th inning save situation gives us such an advantage over every team in baseball.
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And Price is basically a rental. I have no problem with the Yankees approach, let the farm move it's way up and build toward the future.

mainly because the Yankees recognize that with Price and Hamels off the board, the rest of the starting pitching options are not really all that enticing, and would be considered more 3rd starter types.

The purpose of getting Kimbrel is essentially saying that they are going to build their post season run based on the fact that they don't think their starters will get beyond the 5th or 6th inning. They are going to need 4 innings out of their pen, pretty regularly. So you get in another stud like Kimbrel and you temporarily slot him in as a set up man to work alongside Betances and Miller. That way in the playoffs, you ask Tanaka to just get into the 6th inning. Mix and match in the 6th to finish it up and then hand if off to these 3 guys to finish the job.

Additionally, for the remainder of the regular season, they can slot in Kimbrel and rest Miller for a game, or rest Betances for a game.

Come next year, the Yankees can go ahead and trade Kimbrel in the offseason where he can close.

I also wonder if the Yankees are going to flex their financial muscles today and if they don't want to give up top prospects and are in a race with the Astros, do they offer to take on Big Game James and Kimbrel, eat up a whole lot of salary, and give up fewer prospects. Houston can't go there with the Yankees. Every now and then, the younger Steinbrenners need to channel their dad and understand that the Yankees can print money again if they get back to the post season, and you need to spend money to make money. If you want to keep your best prospects, spend the money.

A solid guy that ears up innings and gives your bp less innings is what I want. That will not cost a top 4 prospect. Miller has earned his closer spot. Betances has earned the 8th inning. Wilson and Shreveport have been good. Let's try and improve the rotation with another strong arm.

Who knows when Pineda will be back 2 weeks? 3 weeks? A month? Miller took a month with that same injury.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA
3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees

Thru 12 games: .324/.447/.568 and a 9:4 BB:SO

With the opening of a 40 man spot in the Ackley trade, I wonder if they are thinking of adding Severino or Judge to the roster. Though adding Andrew Bailey to the pen might be another option. He's been filthy in his rehab. His last 11 games in Trenton: 14.1 IP 0.63 ERA 6 H 17:6 SO:BB

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me a #1-#2 available and i will show you a team asking for Severino+ Hamels/Price are done. You will just wind up overpaying for a #2 right now

Not talking about them bit adding a pitcher like we did last season (McCarthy) is an option.

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA 3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees

I'd rather they keep Mateo

I would hope it's for only mid and low level prospects, and I hope they insist on receiving a ~4th-level starting pitcher as well. Cashner or (less preferably) IPK

USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that the Yankees are one of five teams "aggressively pursuing" Aroldis Chapman.

Makes sense, puts pressure on SD if they want to actually make a deal.

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In comment 12395546 TheMick7 said: Quote: Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA 3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees I'd rather they keep Mateo

Better not be dealing Mateo for Kimbrel unless Ross or Upton is part of the deal no thanks

says some positive things.
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Kimbrel

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basically be trading prospects for, what, 20 innings of pitching?

Kinda crazy.

and would make this the #1 bullpen in all of baseball.

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
yankees are waiting on SD and kimbrel but may turn to marlins carter capps instead

But the problem is that there just aren't many, if any, appealing starters left on the market.

That the Yanks are willing to absorb the $29M left on Kimbrel's contract, but not willing to part with any of their top prospects

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That the Yanks are willing to absorb the $29M left on Kimbrel's contract, but not willing to part with any of their top prospects

And there you go. And I wonder if they will sweeten the deal and get a starter back as well (because they will need one) and take on more salary and only give up some marginal prospects.

I so hate that excuse-spouting whiner.

in honesty, few of us thought the Yanks would be where they are, but let's not go the rental market or deplete the system that has been the focus more recently (finally!). I think Cash understands this -- more power to him.

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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...

someone else posted what I heard about Carter Capps. I would absolutely go after him instead of Kimbrel. Chapman would be great to have another over powering lefty in the pen, but he will cost us serious chips. Get me a quality setup man and another starter that can get us to the 6th inning.

Mateo????

He's a young cheap guy, which is what you'd think they want.

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Probably any of the Padres' staff - Ross, Cashner, Shields.

Severino could be a rotation option. If he actually meant that, I'd be surprised, but it's out there.

In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said:

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Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...

Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.

Nothing wrong with having a lights out bullpen from the 6th inning on.

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Mateo????

Not sure if serious, but Dee Gordon would command an absolute haul, if available at all.

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In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.

I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.

who says we cant add both. A second tier starter and a bull pen stud.

So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.

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going after Kimbrel today. Houston vs Yankee bidding War. Who you think is going to win ?

It's not about money. Whoever sends the better prospects will win.

he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.

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So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.

A case of being a top prospect and not succeeding right off the bat as a rookie. He's figured it out now

you missed his last year with the Dodgers...he seriously broke out...64 SB, 12 triples, .289 BA but with 107 K...

I thought it was a fluke but he's kept it going with the Marlins, at least this year...

Joel Sherman �@Joelsherman1 9s9 seconds ago
Sense #Yankees queasy about giving up top SS prospect (Mateo) for rlvr as great as Kimbrel is. That is why Carter Capps #Marlins makes sense

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he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.

Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.

I know Mateo's just a kid and only in A ball, but that kind of speed is so rare, and he's shown some promise as a hitter too. Basestealing is a skill that you can feel confident will translate all the way up the ladder.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Orioles closing in on #Brewers� Parra. Deal expected to be Parra for RHP Zack Davies, straight up.

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In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said: Quote: he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year. Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.

Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.

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So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.

He's really the same player skill-wise, I think he just learned how to play to his strengths. Keep the ball on the ground (fly balls are death when you have no power), hit the ball to the left side of the infield, and just get onto first base any way you can. His defense is also much improved compared to 2012 (when he was a disaster) - he's not going to win a Gold Glove but he's basically league-average.

I don't think he's -quite- this good, nobody should be expected to run a .400 BABIP, but he's probably a true-talent .350-.360 BABIP guy, and when you turn that many batted balls into hits you don't need to do much else to be a quality offensive player. The bar at 2B is pretty low.

Their also in on Chapman along with Kimbrel earlier. Could this be the Sox getting in just to increase the price for the Yankees?

Hearing the Yankees are close on a deal for Ross/Kimbrel.

no source yet.

it's a blog post, but still some positives.
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In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... That would be great. Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.

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Hearing the Yankees are close on a deal for Ross/Kimbrel. no source yet.

What forum?

and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.

In comment 12395720 Greg from LI said:

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I know Mateo's just a kid and only in A ball, but that kind of speed is so rare, and he's shown some promise as a hitter too. Basestealing is a skill that you can feel confident will translate all the way up the ladder.

He's really turned it on the past month or so. Took a couple months to adjust to the level but that's understandable, full-season ball is a big jump. OPSing .849 this month with 9 XBH and 14/11 BB/K is a fantastic month for him. The offensive bar for SS is so low.

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And Price is basically a rental. I have no problem with the Yankees approach, let the farm move it's way up and build toward the future.

We basics
Y ha e one pitcher that is or will be ready to come up to the majors soon. No one knows how he will do. He could be another Felix or he could be a Mark Prior. he can't be counted on this year.

In comment 12395724 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12395716 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said: Quote: he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year. Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand. Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.

Refsnyder had a sub-.700 OPS in his post-draft season. Don't read much of anything into a D1 hitter's first taste of pro ball. It's at the end of a very long season. If he's below the Mendoza line after 200 ABs next year start writing the epitaph, for now he's fine.

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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.

Completely agree it might already be the best. But if by chance it isn't, Kimbrel would absolutely put them over the top. :)

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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.

Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense.

In comment 12395724 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12395716 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said: Quote: he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year. Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand. Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.

haha. It's early to sentence Holder to Cito Culver-ville. But Tyler Wade is from California, too. And he can hit a bit.

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In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said: Quote: and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen. Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense.

Shreve's peripherals don't really support that ERA. He's good though, but may be overachieving a bit.

seems weird to give up a legit prospect for a reliever when the bullpen is the strength of the team right now

This would only provide a marginal improvement to what is the Yankees biggest asset, their bullpen. I don't like the trade. It reeks of making a deal just for the sake of it and including a known name to detract from the fact that neither a decent starter, nor a decent bat was obtained...unless they would try to quickly turn around a reliever for someone else.

So that's not happening

I will smash something

@JoeFrisaro: Haven't confirmed a possible return, if there is a fit w/ #Yankees for Capps, but a prospect #Marlins have coveted is 1B Greg Bird.

In comment 12395786 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 12395760 superspynyg said: Quote: In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said: Quote: and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen. Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense. Shreve's peripherals don't really support that ERA. He's good though, but may be overachieving a bit.

His FIP is 3.10, everything else (K/9, BB/9, WHIP, last year's stats) says it's within the range of reasonable.

Maybe they get Phelps back from the Marlins with Capps...hah

short season numbers of just drafted players. Jeter stunk and Dante Bichette Jr. looked great...

it's not an encouraging start. That's all.

Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.

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In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said:

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In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.

The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.

It would make a lot of sense. Sox want a long-term return, Cubs want Upton, Padres want a SS prospect.

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In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong. The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window )

oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate?

Ken Rosenthal �@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres

No Matteo!!!

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Ken Rosenthal �@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago .@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres

That actually seems fake.

lol

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In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal �@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago .@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres That actually seems fake.

It is

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In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal �@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago .@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres That actually seems fake.

Was it the fake twitter handle that gave it away?

but at least we aren't "professional" sportscasters who go with fake crap and just report it (Jim Bowden)

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In comment 12395945 Dunedin81 said: Quote: In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal �@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago .@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres That actually seems fake. Was it the fake twitter handle that gave it away?

Dan was the one who retweeted it so I assumed it was legit. Curse you Dan for leading me astray!

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In comment 12395904 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong. The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window ) oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate?

MLB has reviewed the delivery and it's been deemed ok. Unless they change the rules, he won't have a problem.

I love Kimbrel. Let's get it done. The cost of a starter seems far too high.

but it shouldn't be. If there is some loophole that allows him to jump off the rubber like that, it should be closed.

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but it shouldn't be. If there is some loophole that allows him to jump off the rubber like that, it should be closed.

Permitted or not, you have to wonder how it doesn't put additional strain on his body.

said they're going to keep an eye on Capps and his delivery. I wouldn't be shocked if they made him change it in the near future. Especially if he's traded to the Yankees. You know he'll have to change it then.

which, I might add, is total BS. Making the pitcher announce before the hitter? Pffffffffft

by lengthening bullpen...just picked up Broxton...to go with Cishek...

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every pro pitcher's back foot is off the rubber before he releases the ball, I think the only way to enforce the rule would be to say that the front foot must be planted before the back foot comes off. Capps might be illegal if they enforced it that way.

Anthony DiMoro ‏@AnthonyDiMoro 5m5 minutes ago
#Yankees and #Reds gaining momentum on trade involving Aroldis Chapman #sportsrants

Oh shit.

to lower the price prospect wise. You know the Reds would love to get rid of that contract.

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to lower the price prospect wise. You know the Reds would love to get rid of that contract.

After Phillps' 7rbi, 2 homer, 2 sb game last night? yeah i'd do it.

Really don't want Phillips

all along. Zero reason to not have won that bid.

under 4 hours on the clock.

is saying Yankees are discussing a deal with Padres that involves Shields and Kimbrel....

yankees would give up mateo

but he's still a better hitter than Drew and Ackley. And he's still very good in the field. It would suck ass paying him for two more years though. Can't see anyone taking him but if they want to hang onto their prospects that badly, you never know.

if it happens, please put one of your best heaters in Big Papi's ear. Thanks in advance...

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is saying Yankees are discussing a deal with Padres that involves Shields and Kimbrel.... yankees would give up mateo

He said it's speculation on his part. I wonder if he really knows anything. Probably not but we're desperate for rumors at this point.

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is saying Yankees are discussing a deal with Padres that involves Shields and Kimbrel.... yankees would give up mateo

I'd rather give up Mateo if we are getting a starter and an elite closer. Hopefully they are playing the Reds off the Padres with Miami on standby.

In comment 12395927 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12395893 illmatic said: Quote: Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit. It would make a lot of sense. Sox want a long-term return, Cubs want Upton, Padres want a SS prospect.

So why can't the Cubs and Padres get that done? Why do they need the Red Sox? Where do they fit? Other than trying to be a thorn in the Yankees side of course

Even a liberal interpretation of rules leave his delivery as an obvious and egregious violation. I'm surprised he hasn't been forced to change it prior to even making it to the big leagues. It is one thing to get a strong push off a hair early. This is a literal hop forward prior to delivery. He is about 1-2 feet closer to the plate when he releases the ball.

Can't even pitch particularly well in Petco at this point.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 39s40 seconds ago
Source: #Yankees are team in hottest pursuit of #Padres� Kimbrel.

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In comment 12396021 nygiants16 said: Quote: is saying Yankees are discussing a deal with Padres that involves Shields and Kimbrel.... yankees would give up mateo He said it's speculation on his part. I wonder if he really knows anything. Probably not but we're desperate for rumors at this point.

Exactly. Unless I've missed something, I don't think he's saying it's being discussed. He's been chatting about trades that he thinks make sense for each team

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Even a liberal interpretation of rules leave his delivery as an obvious and egregious violation. I'm surprised he hasn't been forced to change it prior to even making it to the big leagues. It is one thing to get a strong push off a hair early. This is a literal hop forward prior to delivery. He is about 1-2 feet closer to the plate when he releases the ball.

I think if it gave the pitcher an advantage everyone would be taught to do it. I just can't believe he is able to get anything on it after breaking his momentum.

and instead of a starter, they go pitcher by committee every 5th day!

Anthony DiMoro ‏@AnthonyDiMoro 15m15 minutes ago
#Yankees also involved in talks for #Padres Kimbrel. NYY could be willing to include prized prospect Jorge Mateo to close deal #sportsrants

Maybe i read it wrong, i thought this tweet was something he was hearing...

Anthony DiMoro ‏@AnthonyDiMoro 14m14 minutes ago
Also, #Yankees could be discussing James Shields with #Padres as well.

prior to that he had been really solid and we know he can pitch in the AL east. I'd take a package of him and Kimbrel as long as it doesn't cost us one of the elite prospects.

In comment 12396049 nygiants16 said:

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Anthony DiMoro ‏@AnthonyDiMoro 15m15 minutes ago #Yankees also involved in talks for #Padres Kimbrel. NYY could be willing to include prized prospect Jorge Mateo to close deal #sportsrants Maybe i read it wrong, i thought this tweet was something he was hearing... Anthony DiMoro ‏@AnthonyDiMoro 14m14 minutes ago Also, #Yankees could be discussing James Shields with #Padres as well.

If they include Mateo they may be able to pry away a starter. I'd love Ross, would take Kennedy or Cashner, and want to part of Shields.

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don't give up Mateo.

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 39s40 seconds ago Source: #Yankees are team in hottest pursuit of #Padres� Kimbrel.

Makes sense.

and limit our starters to 5 innings the entire second half. Capps could teach our starters how to preserve their arms by hopping towards home-plate.

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prior to that he had been really solid and we know he can pitch in the AL east. I'd take a package of him and Kimbrel as long as it doesn't cost us one of the elite prospects.

Shields is owed a TON of money and at his age is a negative asset going forward...no way in taking on his AND Kimbrel's contract means Yankees have to give up Mateo.

No one pitches more than 4 innings.

Closers from the fifth inning on.

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago
More on Kimbrel: Now told #Yankees� talks for him broke down yesterday and have not revived today. #Marlins� Capps an option, as others say.

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Closers from the fifth inning on.

It could work.

Screw it...nobody pitches more than 2 innings. We go with 1 starter in Tanaka and every other day all relievers.

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No one pitches more than 4 innings.

By 2025 I wouldn't be surprised if this was the standard

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In comment 12395542 superspynyg said:

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A solid guy that ears up innings and gives your bp less innings is what I want. That will not cost a top 4 prospect. Miller has earned his closer spot. Betances has earned the 8th inning. Wilson and Shreveport have been good. Let's try and improve the rotation with another strong arm. Who knows when Pineda will be back 2 weeks? 3 weeks? A month? Miller took a month with that same injury.

Can we stop with "earning" a specific f*cking inning? It is the absolute most inefficient way to manage a bullpen to be tied to specific innings, and the idea that it's an earned right is silly. The only benefit of "earning" the 9th inning is that saves translate to big contracts. Miller already got his big contract.

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DFA Drew and platoon Gyorko/Ackley rest of way and see which past top prospect can benefit from a change of scenery first.

....I don't mind if they don't do anything unless they can trade CC for a bag of dicks.

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....I don't mind if they don't do anything unless they can trade CC for a bag of dicks.

Why do you want a bag of dicks?

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....I don't mind if they don't do anything unless they can trade CC for a bag of dicks.

We aren't getting a bag of dicks for CC. Lower your expectations.

In comment 12396113 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 12395542 superspynyg said: Quote: A solid guy that ears up innings and gives your bp less innings is what I want. That will not cost a top 4 prospect. Miller has earned his closer spot. Betances has earned the 8th inning. Wilson and Shreveport have been good. Let's try and improve the rotation with another strong arm. Who knows when Pineda will be back 2 weeks? 3 weeks? A month? Miller took a month with that same injury. Can we stop with "earning" a specific f*cking inning? It is the absolute most inefficient way to manage a bullpen to be tied to specific innings, and the idea that it's an earned right is silly. The only benefit of "earning" the 9th inning is that saves translate to big contracts. Miller already got his big contract.

It's not an earned right, but there's a lot more psychology that goes into baseball than stat guys would admit. Some closers are beasts when they get the ball with a one-run lead but the results are different if they come into a tie ballgame or a four run cushion.

In comment 12396146 CromartiesKid21 said:

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Quote: The Padres are trying to attach the contract of second baseman Jedd Gyorko as they discuss trades for their starting pitchers, tweets Jon Morosi of FOX Sports. Gyorko is owed more than $33MM through 2019, and has hit .214/.282/.336 since 2014. DFA Drew and platoon Gyorko/Ackley rest of way and see which past top prospect can benefit from a change of scenery first.

If Ackley struggles you DFA his ass or non-tender him. If Gyorko struggles you're stuck with $30+ mil.

In comment 12396172 RasputinPrime said:

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In comment 12396161 bitterblue said: Quote: ....I don't mind if they don't do anything unless they can trade CC for a bag of dicks. Because they won't let a bag of dicks pitch but they will let CC. Why do you want a bag of dicks?

Because they won't let a bag of dicks pitch.

In comment 12396182 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12396146 CromartiesKid21 said: Quote: Quote: The Padres are trying to attach the contract of second baseman Jedd Gyorko as they discuss trades for their starting pitchers, tweets Jon Morosi of FOX Sports. Gyorko is owed more than $33MM through 2019, and has hit .214/.282/.336 since 2014. DFA Drew and platoon Gyorko/Ackley rest of way and see which past top prospect can benefit from a change of scenery first. If Ackley struggles you DFA his ass or non-tender him. If Gyorko struggles you're stuck with $30+ mil.

But wouldnt have to give up Mateo to get Kimbrel by taking on Gyorko. Would be worth the cost in trying

In comment 12396195 bitterblue said:

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In comment 12396172 RasputinPrime said: Quote: In comment 12396161 bitterblue said: Quote: ....I don't mind if they don't do anything unless they can trade CC for a bag of dicks. Because they won't let a bag of dicks pitch but they will let CC. Why do you want a bag of dicks? Because they won't let a bag of dicks pitch.

Are you sure about that? If they let a guy pitch who you would give away for a bag of dicks, what makes you think Joe wouldn't hang a glove on that bag?

he's a fatty and is getting fatter at the same rate his rate of play is declining. His contract is already fat.

Just say no to fat America.

man they are checking every need off the list....

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So can someone explain to me what the gameplan would be for a Miller/Kimbrel/Betances bullpen?

I'm not someone who worships the 9th inning, instead I think that teams would often be better suited to put out their best reliever in the 8th inning, for instance if the 8th inning pitcher faces the 3-4-5 hitters and the 9th could likely be the 7-8-9 hitters.

So I'm not coming at this from a "you have two closers, but there's only one 9th inning, what will you do!" perspective. I just can't see why you'd need an extra 70IP of 2.00 ERA relief available on top of the 150IP you already have, instead of looking to shore up other spots.

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So can someone explain to me what the gameplan would be for a Miller/Kimbrel/Betances bullpen? I'm not someone who worships the 9th inning, instead I think that teams would often be better suited to put out their best reliever in the 8th inning, for instance if the 8th inning pitcher faces the 3-4-5 hitters and the 9th could likely be the 7-8-9 hitters. So I'm not coming at this from a "you have two closers, but there's only one 9th inning, what will you do!" perspective. I just can't see why you'd need an extra 70IP of 2.00 ERA relief available on top of the 150IP you already have, instead of looking to shore up other spots.

They have burnt out Betances and Miller. They need more solid back-end arms. How that would be juggled would be interesting because it wouldn't be an easy clubhouse issue.

In comment 12395957 BeerFridge said:

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What MLB said, was that it is legal as long as he drags his toe on the ground. If you look at the videos, he clearly does not do that, as he sort of leaps forward and then throws. I think if he continues to be successful, teams will start challenging it.

In comment 12396267 Beer Man said:

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In comment 12395957 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12395936 Del Shofner said: Quote: In comment 12395904 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong. The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window ) oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate? MLB has reviewed the delivery and it's been deemed ok. Unless they change the rules, he won't have a problem. What MLB said, was that it is legal as long as he drags his toe on the ground. If you look at the videos, he clearly does not do that, as he sort of leaps forward and then throws. I think if he continues to be successful, teams will start challenging it.

Why? He could flame out of the league in a year. Until this becomes a trend or someone explains the science behind why this gives him an unfair advantage I say leave it be.

I would have liked to see in pinstripes Dan Haren. Quality WHIP keeps you in the game and will go at least 6 innings.

The ball is released about 18 inches closer to the plate and he's jumping at the batter, which must be a distraction. I don't know that there needs to be any scientific study done on the guy. If he threw normally, he wouldn't have that strikeout rate, that's for sure.

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I would have liked to see in pinstripes Dan Haren. Quality WHIP keeps you in the game and will go at least 6 innings.

Also only he and Buehrle have over 30 starts in each of the last 10 years. He is also third all-time in BB-to-K rate (after Pedro and Schilling). He was a solid pickup a few years ago. Very much on the end of his career though.

In comment 12396295 Walt in MD said:

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The ball is released about 18 inches closer to the plate and he's jumping at the batter, which must be a distraction. I don't know that there needs to be any scientific study done on the guy. If he threw normally, he wouldn't have that strikeout rate, that's for sure.

Ok. But can anyone else do what he is doing? Is he putting so much strain on his arm/shoulder/elbow/knees that there is actually a good reason no one else is trying it?

Don't get me wrong - I don't want to see ML cricket here but has Walden being doing something similar for years without anything coming of it? Now that he sucks n' all....

I doesn't seem sustainable, but I dont know how long he's been pitching that way. Very gimicky. It would be hard for me to root for him too. I hope he doesn't end up in pinstripes.

with 70 steals in 91 games before? Mateo seems to have insane speed.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago
My hunch is #Yankees would deal Mateo, but hesitant to do for a costly reliever as good as Kimbrel is. 2 hours to know for sure

Red Sox, Cubs, Padres reportedly negotiating 3-team 'blockbuster'that would send Kimbrel to the Sox
SB Nation - ( New Window )

Sweeny Murti ‏@YankeesWFAN 13s14 seconds ago
Whether it's for Kimbrel or one of SD starters, Padres let Yankees know any deal has to include SS prospect Jorge Mateo.

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Hah....yeah, that's the move that will haul them out of the cellar!

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Red Sox, Cubs, Padres reportedly negotiating 3-team 'blockbuster'that would send Kimbrel to the Sox SB Nation - ( New Window )

I think Houston is more likely to get Kimbrel and Ross. I don't buy the Red Sox deal. If San Diego can move more parts in on deal with Kimbrel they will. If not, they may fall back to a smaller deal with us.

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and about a million games back. Have fun with that.

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They're what, 14 games under .500? A closer isn't going to change that much.

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In comment 12396348 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12396342 micky said: Quote: . They're what, 14 games under .500? A closer isn't going to change that much.

sarcasm never works in typed words haha

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How good would they be next year?

their prospects and get shut out. Frustrating for this year but it makes sense long term financially and philosophically. Now we have to hope some of these guys are actually impact players. But screw the innings limit and call up Severino. There is absolutely no evidence that innings limits limit injuries. But they do limit the Yankees chances of winning this year. The Yankees are winning nothing with this rotation. Put Warren back in or Mitchell for Pineda, call up Severino go 6 man or sit CC.

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In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year?

I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :)

Still doesn't solve any of their problems, since Uehara has actually pitched better than Kimbrel. Kimbrel doesn't hit and he doesn't start.

but with the rotation and defense in Boston what is he going to close next year? The Red Sox are a total mess and it's fantastic.

In comment 12396359 arniefez said:

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their prospects and get shut out. Frustrating for this year but it makes sense long term financially and philosophically. Now we have to hope some of these guys are actually impact players. But screw the innings limit and call up Severino. There is absolutely no evidence that innings limits limit injuries. But they do limit the Yankees chances of winning this year. The Yankees are winning nothing with this rotation. Put Warren back in or Mitchell for Pineda, call up Severino go 6 man or sit CC.

they won't get shut out. Cashman often waits until the last minute to see what the lowest cost will be for what he wants. Not sure what they get, but I expect some kind of deal but not with the big prospects.

In 2013 they somehow won a WS with basically the same roster that has tanked every other year since 2011.

but a season changer at this point unlikely. Although that hasn't been Cashman's MO for years at the deadline.

The Sawx have been a bad team for three of the last four seasons. The fourth of those seasons was a massive fluke that scored them a title, but people have acted like that is the true abilities of the team. It isn't. It was an anomaly of monumental proportions, where virtually everyone on the team outperformed their projections, some to a huge degree. Rob and I riffed on this a bit the other day. At this point, the inescapable conclusion is that they are a bad baseball team, and for all the hype about guys like Betts and Bogaerts, their ballyhooed prospects are still question marks. Maybe they take off and develop like everyone says they will, but if they don't the Sawx are in big trouble for a while.

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In 2013 they somehow won a WS with basically the same roster that has tanked every other year since 2011.

But that's the point - 2013 is the massive outlier. 2012 and 2013-14 is who the team actually is.

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago
The Yankees have designated Garrrett Jones for assignment to make room for Dustin Ackley.

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago
Yankees also returned OF Slade Heathcott from rehab and optioned him to Triple-A; LHP Chris Capuano also outrighted to Triple-A SWB.

Jim Bowden on MLB radio heard that Cashman has made a trade and it will be announced in a couple of hours. He cannot confirm this. But, it is from a reliable source. He texted Cashman and did not get a confirmation from him. ( I think after the Mets/Gomez fiasco everyone is a little shy to commit to having firm commitments.

they should still have 1 spot on the 40 man.

if the Yanks have checked in on Carrasco if he is indeed available.

I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring.


No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is.


I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

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In comment 12396383 Greg from LI said:

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The Sawx have been a bad team for three of the last four seasons. The fourth of those seasons was a massive fluke that scored them a title, but people have acted like that is the true abilities of the team. It isn't. It was an anomaly of monumental proportions, where virtually everyone on the team outperformed their projections, some to a huge degree. Rob and I riffed on this a bit the other day. At this point, the inescapable conclusion is that they are a bad baseball team, and for all the hype about guys like Betts and Bogaerts, their ballyhooed prospects are still question marks. Maybe they take off and develop like everyone says they will, but if they don't the Sawx are in big trouble for a while.

Well, sure. I just really meant they won the Dan Snyder award for champions of the offseason and had lots and lots of people predicting the postseason this year. Betts and Bogaerts are solid, they weren't the problem either.

In comment 12396392 TheMick7 said:

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Mark Feinsand �@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago The Yankees have designated Garrrett Jones for assignment to make room for Dustin Ackley.

Sunshine, lollipops and...something something.

In comment 12396442 Dan in the Springs said:

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I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring. No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is. I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

Agree. Very well said.

In comment 12396331 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago My hunch is #Yankees would deal Mateo, but hesitant to do for a costly reliever as good as Kimbrel is. 2 hours to know for sure

Soooo he is worth giving up for a closer but not a top end starter? I completely disagree.

they think they may be moving on to Chapman. How about maybe a package of Bruce/Chapman? That way the corpse of Beltran becomes more of a bench role.

Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago
Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation.

HAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL

He was STILL a Yankee, in theory?

In comment 12396442 Dan in the Springs said:

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I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring. No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is. I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

I agree. The last time I looked at the standings we aer 7 games AHEAD in the loss column over the Jays. We are also only 4 games behind for the best recored in the A.L.

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Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation.

Esmil Rogers appreciation thread?

In comment 12396361 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 12396357 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year? I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :)

Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good?

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In comment 12396495 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation. Esmil Rogers appreciation thread?

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Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good?

They signed Hanley and Fat Panda?!?

In comment 12396578 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 12396361 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12396357 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year? I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :) Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good?

see 2:33

seems like we are holding firm on Mateo. Wonder if that triggers a move for Capps.

Cubs want Alex Woods!!! What is going on?

In comment 12396596 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 12396578 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 12396361 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12396357 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year? I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :) Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good? see 2:33

And that's the problem the Sox hype machine was running it usual course. In particularly out of Red Sox U, er, ESPN. Plenty of us were on here right before the season talking about how bad the rotation had potential to be, but the talking heads refused to believe it and ignored the last place finish last year. It's typical.

#Yankees were willing to put Mateo in offer for Kimbrel and never hear back from #padres so belief is they have deal elsewhere

and be counted on as favorites, and the teams that through a measure of wisdom and luck put together a decent roster will blow past them and all the morons will race to backtrack.

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And how's that working out?

I keep hearing that they're trying to sucker the Padres/Cubs into taking Panda off their hands. With their luck, I'm sure they'll pull it off and not have to pay another cent to the fat ass. Just like they suckered the Dodgers into saving them

Cespedes to the Mets for Wheeler.

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Oh shit. DMM said he was done for the year if they did that, lol. So long, Dan!

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#Yankees were willing to put Mateo in offer for Kimbrel and never hear back from #padres so belief is they have deal elsewhere

Thank you, San Diego. Saving the Yankees from themselves.

I'm not seeing that anywhere. Where'd you see it?

RPs statement as him saying to the Mets to make the trade not that it happened.

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I'm not seeing that anywhere. Where'd you see it?

I think it was a fake tweet. Haven't seen it since.

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False Phony Rosenthal account

if SD wants a SS. They have Baez and Castro to trade.

I think we see a flurry of moves at 4 PM. Too many teams need to or should be making a move.

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Agreed. They need Ross/Cashner and Kimbrel. They also have some young outfielders to pad the deal.

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I'm not seeing that anywhere. Where'd you see it?

me neither. just checked SI and CBS Sports

if the dude the Yanks trade for starts to cry.

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if the dude the Yanks trade for starts to cry.

He will be "that" guy forever.

now confirmed.

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do nothing at the deadline with the Blue Jays going completely nuts. That takes some serious faith in your horses.

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are making a mistake by not going for it and getting one of the relievers after adding zero SP.

Didn't overpay for anyone.

this too close to the vest...should have made a move for something, at the least, a mid-low tier starter to cover us for the time being...

I didn't think they needed to sell the farm or anything but kind of disappointing not to get any pitching help at all, particularly when they keep running CC out there to get hammered.

and then there were the Blue Jays and Astros doing their thing.

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I agree!

I'm glad they didn't make a stupid move and get rid of some top prospects. On the other hand, their pitching before Pineda went down was suspect. With him on the DL and Toronto revamping their team, the Yankees really needed to do something.

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I didn't think they needed to sell the farm or anything but kind of disappointing not to get any pitching help at all, particularly when they keep running CC out there to get hammered.

They will keep running CC out there even if we would have obtained Hamels and Price.

I have to admit, I'm slightly annoyed that they did absolutely nothing. They desperately needed to add an arm or two. This is a flawed team that had a chance to really go for it.

seeing most of the other playoff teams making moves and the Yankees add... Dustin Ackley. And knowing the team chasing them has added a couple of perennial all-stars.

Keep the kids, it's more likely than not that we make the playoffs at this point, and after that, anything can happen.

I guess all the excitement was yesterday.

Good for them. If Yankees don't make it, it's lays at Cashmans' feet. *shrug*

He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice

They're paying him whether he starts or not. It's not like starting him somehow alleviates his huge cost. Why keep hurting your chances at winning ballgames by sticking with a guy who's been one of the very worst starters in baseball over the past three seasons? Just saying "It's because of his contract" doesn't make any sense.

I guess moving forward unless some post 31st waiver deals come through...

Rotation in the short term could be

1- Tanaka
2- Nova
3- Eovaldi
4- CC
5- Some combo of Mitchell, Warren, Serverino

Bullpen could get an upgrade in the form of Bailey in a few weeks too and then of course Pineda would come back in September to upgrade the pen.

Playoff rotation would essentially have to be Tanaka, Pineda, and Nova and then a ridiculous bullpen run lol.

Fucking weak sauce.

I thought Kimbrel was a stupid fucking decision anyway, limited help this year and ties a lot of money up in the bullpen with the always cost-conscious Steinbrothers ever on the brink of self-imposed austerity. How'd you like them holding the line at $220 with top FA starters this year?

You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

of how much you like those prospects.

a waiver wire deal.

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Fucking weak sauce.

Championship.

In comment 12396852 dpinzow said:

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He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice

This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.

It's that the one move they made was for a crap player like Ackley.

But he's not going to take a rotation spot.

In comment 12396878 mitch300 said:

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In comment 12396852 dpinzow said: Quote: He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.

Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.

In comment 12396859 Greg from LI said:

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They're paying him whether he starts or not. It's not like starting him somehow alleviates his huge cost. Why keep hurting your chances at winning ballgames by sticking with a guy who's been one of the very worst starters in baseball over the past three seasons? Just saying "It's because of his contract" doesn't make any sense.

I think we all agree. Except of course Cashman and Girardi think otherwise. The thing is they have CC for another 2 years. Evetually someone has to have the balls to do the right thing on the field.

Would've had a legit great chance at getting to a WS with another arm.

You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?

In comment 12396882 Greg from LI said:

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But he's not going to take a rotation spot.

He's going to be limited to about 150 innings. He's only at around 100 right now. He's got innings left and they may very well put him in the rotation at some point.

missed the double negative.

Problem with Severino is the pitch count/innings limit. He's thrown 99 innings already this year (career high 113 last season), but as Duned has mentioned before, he's had some high pitch counts in most of his starts. But the Yanks would have 10-12 starts each remaining, so even if they limited him to 5 IP/start, he'd probably be unavailable for the postseason.

In comment 12396893 giants#1 said:

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In comment 12396878 mitch300 said: Quote: In comment 12396852 dpinzow said: Quote: He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him. Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.

You missinterpeted what I said. I said it's NOT like he hasn't excelled.

type faster than me.LOL

former closer and currently dominating AA as he rehabs. He could fortify the pen in the same way Chapman/Kimbrel would've. And he won't cost them anything.

In comment 12396908 Greg from LI said:

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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?

Agree. He was awful last night. No movement on the fastball, poor command and location. Can't have that playing in a band box.

Hopefully it will work out in the long term no matter what holding on to all the prospects. However he will get absolutely killed in the short term if things fall apart.

so who knows, maybe he could give them 7 or 8 starts while averaging 5.1 IP per start.

Or maybe Mitchell takes the bull by the horns and makes the most of his considerable stuff.

now that the trading deadline has passed. Can the Yanks now DFA Drew.

In comment 12396908 Greg from LI said:

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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?

He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."

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In comment 12396908 Greg from LI said: Quote: You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher? He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."

Sounds like he's just as big of an idiot as he seems to be, then.

league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).

it's about maximizing their return. Is the best use of Judge, Severino and/or Mateo getting another back-end bullpen guy, even a very good one? Over the course of a year, the difference between Kimbrel and his replacement might be no more than 8-10 runs. Potentially consequential runs, no doubt, but that's a steep pricetag. Hamels may or may not be an ace in the AL East. Cueto and Price were the prizes and we didn't get them. Anything else is just details.

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league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).

What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.

if he ever did go to Girardi and tell him to take him out of the rotation, he'd be killed for quitting on the team. Maybe not by everybody, but plenty would hammer him. That story would take on a life of its own.

The only thing that can save CC is for him to start pitching better, or get released. The rest of it is no win situations

Just don't know if that guy is a plus pitcher in the AL.

Are going to have to out hit their foes, almost every night. Warren is going to have to be back in the rotation. Severino, has to be called up. Yeah, they held on to their prospects but, maybe at the cost of a championship.

but we dodged several bullets.

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Quote: Jon Heyman �@JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no

If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.

has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.

in selling out the future for a shot this year. We're Yankees fans. We don't want a championship, we want a dynasty. That requires young talent under control for several years and financial flexibility to fill in the holes.

I'm not against trading MiLB's stars. I'm just not wanting rentals in return, or guys who are going to cost as much as we could get them for in FA just by waiting a few months.

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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.

My sentiments exactly.

In comment 12396967 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12396952 TheMick7 said: Quote: league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP). What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.

And it very well might but my point was about the 2015 Yankees and the final 2 months of this regular season.I'll continue to believe the addition of a Kimbrel would have had a positive domino effect on the pitching staff but what surprises me more is that no supplemental moves were made.The addition of a 3 or 4 SP,another veteran RP is more along the lines of what I expected. That type could have been acquired w/o mortgaging the future as we are in a pennant race. but, that didn't occur so we'll root for the team we have & hope our pitching staff remains(and in some instances ,gets)healthy & in CC's case,finds the fountain of youth!

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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.

The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.

A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.

In comment 12396983 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12396977 CromartiesKid21 said: Quote: Quote: Jon Heyman �@JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.

That new GM in San Diego is a fucking clown. But I'm very happy we didn't do that deal

In comment 12397003 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 12396985 EricNY33 said: Quote: has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now. The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done. A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.

Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.

Their prospects arent' top 10 can't-miss type guys, and they did need an arm or two. I don't think they needed to do a farm system fire sale, but some of these guys had better really pan out in the future if the team ends up struggling down the stretch this year.

I didn't come into this season with any expectations either, but look at the circumstances:

-Wide open AL
-6 game lead at the end of July
-Best case scenario performance from Gardner, Tex and A-Rod
-All of the AL contenders made fairly significant moves to improve at the deadline
-The pitching was already shaky, and now Pineda's out for a month

This could very well be their best shot at a title for at least several years to come. Hard to be so sanguine about that.

In comment 12397012 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 12397003 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: In comment 12396985 EricNY33 said: Quote: has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now. The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done. A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt. Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.

If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?

Then it's hard to blame Cashman. They made a high-quality offer and the Padres turned it down because their GM is cretin who's wrecked his team. It takes two to deal.

We could have used another starter: the asking price for non-rental starters was astronomical, the asking price for rental starters wasn't much better, and there weren't many back-end guys on the move. Warren may have been better than what we could have gotten. Would have liked to see a deal for a starter but I understand why they didn't.

Wasn't he shitty enough last time in pinstripes?

In comment 12397016 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 12397012 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12397003 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: In comment 12396985 EricNY33 said: Quote: has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now. The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done. A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt. Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks. If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?

You said it.

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Wasn't he shitty enough last time in pinstripes?

Still better than Garrett Jones in every way imaginable.

you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.

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Then it's hard to blame Cashman. They made a high-quality offer and the Padres turned it down because their GM is cretin who's wrecked his team. It takes two to deal.

Yep. And being that nobody else, Cubs, Red Sox, or Astros were able to get anything done with them tells us all we need to know about the asking price.

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you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.

Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.

I'm glad the SD GM is an idiot. A top prospect for a high priced reliever is a waste. I don't think Kimbrel is the difference between a title and a playoff loss this year.

Bats - not much they could've done there as 2B was really the only position they could've upgraded easily (without benching Beltran).

SPs - once they missed out on Cueto/Price/Hamels, what were they supposed to do? Overpay for a backend guy? Is a 3-4 starter really that much better than Mitchell/Warren, especially when they'd likely have to include a couple prospects on the Mitchell/Warren level in the deal?

They're finally getting legit prospects to the upper levels. If these guys keep hitting the way they have been, their value (even as trade chips) will only rise.

If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.

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In comment 12397046 Greg from LI said: Quote: you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway. Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.

The best parts of the Ackley trade:
1. Jones is gone
2. Free up a 40 man spot (be it for Bailey, Severino, whoever)

absolutely nuts. Oh well I still don't see why we couldn't have picked up a major league SP ;like Leake or Haren without giving up too much, but I'll trust Cash.

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of how much you like those prospects.

Agree. The great teams of late 90's / early 2000's had a solid core of home grown talent that carried them for a number of years.

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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.

No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.

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In comment 12397063 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project. No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.

If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.

stats the past 4 years? I don't want him but if he has been lights out its interesting that fans ignore him while talking about Mariano in a different light

In comment 12397091 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Incremental improvement. That's not what you trade anything away for. If Yanks should've made any moves, should've been for pitching. Not Uribe and/or Johnson. Come on, now.

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Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade.

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Regular rest would be Monday, but they're off. So it looks like he'll make his debut Tuesday against...Boston!

On the bright side, it's like facing a AAA lineup!

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He has been outstanding at Scranton. Guess the future is now for the kid. 21 year old making his first start against the Red Sox? I like it.

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wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.

And not give up the youth for trying to win all this year. They should be very fortunate that this far into the season and being "unexpectedly" this far ahead in the div. This is more about 17' and on as far as being WS and etc. It's about the future for once.

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In comment 12397159 Pego61 said: Quote: Quote: Cashman: Severino will have no innings limit. They prepared early in the season so he would be ready for this. Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade. wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.

Not a big deal. At most there's 11-12 starts left and it's unlikely he goes 6 inn/start (he was racking up pretty high pitch counts in AAA). So figure another 50 IP during the season.

just said Severino is coming up.That is good enough for me. Bailey in @ more weeks and I really love what we have. Gave up no prospects and we are a better team today than yesterday.

In comment 12397170 Del Shofner said:

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In comment 12397159 Pego61 said: Quote: Quote: Cashman: Severino will have no innings limit. They prepared early in the season so he would be ready for this. Well, there's your SP for the rest of the year. Better this than a trade. wow - no innings limit - I did not see that coming.

I am over joyed. Let's go to war!

that Severino's ready...excited to see him in the majors.

Staying pat, is if arod and tex, slow down after this year. By getting a better 2nd baseman with a bat, aND a good starter, they might have taken it all this year. I agree with not trading severino and judge but, not bird and mateo. Who knows what they will turn out to be?

Remember how the Yankees almost traded Mariano when he was in the minors?

Yankees were not going to win it this year anyway. Nice story but good to see that they kept their young guys. Check what the real young international guys are doing the future good be very bright for a long time.

Trading Mateo for a reliever would have been stupid. Mateo needs to improve his fielding but he's a solid hitter and has 50+ more steals than anyone else in the minors -every league. He's been on base 130 times and has 79 steals. And despite bing in low A - he is only 20 years old.

We'll be thankful Mateo did not get dealt in three years - and the ten after that.

no one.

I think this is a big roll of the dice not to pick up a SP. I like it. Screw it, the Rays have been bringing up their young guys for years and just letting them play. Let's try it. Let Severino pitch. Let the future start Aug 1st....

That's why Ackley replaced Jones. Now they have a LH utility guy/back up OF to with Young. Beltran is stealing money. He doesn't even give an effort. I hope they release him over the winter.

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That's why Ackley replaced Jones. Now they have a LH utility guy/back up OF to with Young. Beltran is stealing money. He doesn't even give an effort. I hope they release him over the winter.

The inside the park HR last night was pathetic. Yes, Ellsbury made a bad decision but the RF is supposed to back up the CF there.

Beltran would have been pulled out of the game on the spot if I was manager after that pathetic display.

He was legitimately one of the best players in baseball for a stretch, and is now just a shell...

When the Diamondbacks called to dig a little on Kimbrel, AJ Premier said it would take. .....Paul Goldschmidt.
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He just can't move at all. He runs like a limb will fall off if he moves too fast. I'd still like to see his bat in the lineup come September-October though...