NFT: Yanks talk: Trade deadline final day

raid the farm system and/or take on a second-tier starter? Egos aside, Kimbrel would give the Yanks the best back end of a bullpen since Stanton-Nelson-Rivera (and really, maybe way better if not for Rivera himself). It dramatically shortens games, which has an effect on opponents' approaches in earlier innings as well.

Would I have chosen Kimbrel over Hamels or Price? No. But those guys are already traded now, so in terms of looking for ways to improve the team with the assets available, this is a pretty decent move.

me a #1-#2 available and i will show you a team asking for Severino+

Hamels/Price are done. You will just wind up overpaying for a #2 right now

Miller came in ready to set up Betances & when Betances struggled in the spring, Miller inherited the closer job. Both guys are well versed in setting up & if (It's still a big if as the Astros are also involved & who the Yanks will trade might make this go right until 4:00 EST) the Yankees get Kimbrel, they will fashion themselves after the Royals pen, shortening SP's innings. And, if you add Severino,Mitchell &/or Warren to the rotation,all of them will have an innings limit.

but the Yankees have a great BP now, you're talking a marginal improvement when there are bigger improvements that can be made elsewhere at a fraction the cost. I don't like it.

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Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy?

Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right.

In comment 12395476 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Fill a hole Fortify a strength Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy? Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right.

We may have the most dominant BP in the game without him.

it makes you wonder if they should have just kept Robertson in addition to signing Miller.

But CC and Eovaldi can't go deep regularly. Opposing hitters BA's go way up each time through the lineup. There are no more to end guys left. Why not make it a 5 or 6 inning game? They'll call up Severino and you know they'll only let him go 5. Right now getting Chapman or Kimbrel is the best way to go IMO. Hopefully, they are being realistic about Pineda and he's only out a month.

doing their due diligence on a package that would include Ross or Cashner along with Kimbrel, just as the Astros are. I'm sure the cost would be much too high, but maybe the Padres would add one for minimal cost if the Yanks pick up Kimbrels entire contract. The Astros supposedly aren't willing to pay as much of Kimbrels deal as the Yankees are, not surprisingly.

I'm not a huge fan of either Ross or Cashner, but they're both young and have some upside. And they fill a huge need.

In comment 12395492 Enzo said:

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it makes you wonder if they should have just kept Robertson in addition to signing Miller.

Kimbrel is better, cheaper and has a shorter contract. Assuming they are basically just taking on the contract and not sending back top prospects, this is better than keeping Robertson.

going after Kimbrel today. Houston vs Yankee bidding War. Who you think is going to win ?

in the thinking getting Kimbrel would allow Warren to start again?

In comment 12395475 Dunedin81 said:

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but the Yankees have a great BP now, you're talking a marginal improvement when there are bigger improvements that can be made elsewhere at a fraction the cost. I don't like it.

I don't see it as a marginal improvement, just a different way to address it, similar to how the Royals/Giants ran out their BP last year.Certainly securing an SP would be the obvious way to go but at what cost? This AM, a report said Padres are looking to unload large contracts so if Hal were willing(& I'm pretty sure he won't be although I hope I'm wrong),taking Shields along w/Kimbrel might be a way to lessen the minor league package they'd have to give if they absorbed the salary. Again, based on the last couple of years & hal's public comments, it seems unlikely!

In comment 12395490 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 12395476 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: Fill a hole Fortify a strength Sure, I'd prefer a legit #3 or better starter over Kimbrel if the price was the same. But who's that guy? Going after Kimbrel to give us the most dominant bullpen in the game is not a bad way to go if the price is right. We may have the most dominant BP in the game without him.

And it would be that much better with him. Going from great to amazing is still an upgrade. Having two arms the level of Miller/Betances not being tied to the 9th inning save situation gives us such an advantage over every team in baseball.
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And Price is basically a rental. I have no problem with the Yankees approach, let the farm move it's way up and build toward the future.

mainly because the Yankees recognize that with Price and Hamels off the board, the rest of the starting pitching options are not really all that enticing, and would be considered more 3rd starter types.

The purpose of getting Kimbrel is essentially saying that they are going to build their post season run based on the fact that they don't think their starters will get beyond the 5th or 6th inning. They are going to need 4 innings out of their pen, pretty regularly. So you get in another stud like Kimbrel and you temporarily slot him in as a set up man to work alongside Betances and Miller. That way in the playoffs, you ask Tanaka to just get into the 6th inning. Mix and match in the 6th to finish it up and then hand if off to these 3 guys to finish the job.

Additionally, for the remainder of the regular season, they can slot in Kimbrel and rest Miller for a game, or rest Betances for a game.

Come next year, the Yankees can go ahead and trade Kimbrel in the offseason where he can close.

I also wonder if the Yankees are going to flex their financial muscles today and if they don't want to give up top prospects and are in a race with the Astros, do they offer to take on Big Game James and Kimbrel, eat up a whole lot of salary, and give up fewer prospects. Houston can't go there with the Yankees. Every now and then, the younger Steinbrenners need to channel their dad and understand that the Yankees can print money again if they get back to the post season, and you need to spend money to make money. If you want to keep your best prospects, spend the money.

A solid guy that ears up innings and gives your bp less innings is what I want. That will not cost a top 4 prospect. Miller has earned his closer spot. Betances has earned the 8th inning. Wilson and Shreveport have been good. Let's try and improve the rotation with another strong arm.

Who knows when Pineda will be back 2 weeks? 3 weeks? A month? Miller took a month with that same injury.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA
3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees

Thru 12 games: .324/.447/.568 and a 9:4 BB:SO

With the opening of a 40 man spot in the Ackley trade, I wonder if they are thinking of adding Severino or Judge to the roster. Though adding Andrew Bailey to the pen might be another option. He's been filthy in his rehab. His last 11 games in Trenton: 14.1 IP 0.63 ERA 6 H 17:6 SO:BB

In comment 12395463 koko2315 said:

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me a #1-#2 available and i will show you a team asking for Severino+ Hamels/Price are done. You will just wind up overpaying for a #2 right now

Not talking about them bit adding a pitcher like we did last season (McCarthy) is an option.

In comment 12395546 TheMick7 said:

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA 3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees

I'd rather they keep Mateo

I would hope it's for only mid and low level prospects, and I hope they insist on receiving a ~4th-level starting pitcher as well. Cashner or (less preferably) IPK

USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that the Yankees are one of five teams "aggressively pursuing" Aroldis Chapman.

Makes sense, puts pressure on SD if they want to actually make a deal.

In comment 12395557 cokeduplt said:

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In comment 12395546 TheMick7 said: Quote: Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 20m20 minutes ago New York, USA 3 says ago heard "no way" is jorge mateo being traded. today hear "we'll see." certainly be way to land kimbrel. #yankees I'd rather they keep Mateo

Better not be dealing Mateo for Kimbrel unless Ross or Upton is part of the deal no thanks

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basically be trading prospects for, what, 20 innings of pitching?

Kinda crazy.

and would make this the #1 bullpen in all of baseball.

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yankees are waiting on SD and kimbrel but may turn to marlins carter capps instead

But the problem is that there just aren't many, if any, appealing starters left on the market.

That the Yanks are willing to absorb the $29M left on Kimbrel's contract, but not willing to part with any of their top prospects

In comment 12395620 Beer Man said:

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That the Yanks are willing to absorb the $29M left on Kimbrel's contract, but not willing to part with any of their top prospects

And there you go. And I wonder if they will sweeten the deal and get a starter back as well (because they will need one) and take on more salary and only give up some marginal prospects.

I so hate that excuse-spouting whiner.

in honesty, few of us thought the Yanks would be where they are, but let's not go the rental market or deplete the system that has been the focus more recently (finally!). I think Cash understands this -- more power to him.

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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...

someone else posted what I heard about Carter Capps. I would absolutely go after him instead of Kimbrel. Chapman would be great to have another over powering lefty in the pen, but he will cost us serious chips. Get me a quality setup man and another starter that can get us to the 6th inning.

Mateo????

He's a young cheap guy, which is what you'd think they want.

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Probably any of the Padres' staff - Ross, Cashner, Shields.

Severino could be a rotation option. If he actually meant that, I'd be surprised, but it's out there.

In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said:

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Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...

Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.

Nothing wrong with having a lights out bullpen from the 6th inning on.

In comment 12395663 Mike in St. Louis said:

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Mateo????

Not sure if serious, but Dee Gordon would command an absolute haul, if available at all.

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In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.

I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.

who says we cant add both. A second tier starter and a bull pen stud.

So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.

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going after Kimbrel today. Houston vs Yankee bidding War. Who you think is going to win ?

It's not about money. Whoever sends the better prospects will win.

he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.