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superspynyg : 7/31/2015 8:50 am
Yanks still trying to work a deal for Kimbrel. Why????? We do not need a closer! We have 2 good back end guys. We need a starter. This would be a slap in the face to both Miller an Betances. You don't trade doe the games best closer to make him a set up guy.

If this trade happens And all we wind up with is
Kimbrel and a crpy utility fielder Ackely, I will be very disappointed in the Yanks front office.

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RE: I probably haven't watched a Marlins game in 10 years  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/31/2015 10:35 am : link
In comment 12395691 Greg from LI said:
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So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.

A case of being a top prospect and not succeeding right off the bat as a rookie. He's figured it out now
Greg...  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/31/2015 10:35 am : link
you missed his last year with the Dodgers...he seriously broke out...64 SB, 12 triples, .289 BA but with 107 K...

I thought it was a fluke but he's kept it going with the Marlins, at least this year...
...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 10:35 am : link
Joel Sherman þ@Joelsherman1 9s9 seconds ago
Sense #Yankees queasy about giving up top SS prospect (Mateo) for rlvr as great as Kimbrel is. That is why Carter Capps #Marlins makes sense
RE: Don't trade Mateo...  
BeerFridge : 7/31/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said:
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he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.


Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.
I agree Dune  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 10:39 am : link
I know Mateo's just a kid and only in A ball, but that kind of speed is so rare, and he's shown some promise as a hitter too. Basestealing is a skill that you can feel confident will translate all the way up the ladder.
Parra to O's  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/31/2015 10:40 am : link
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Orioles closing in on #Brewers’ Parra. Deal expected to be Parra for RHP Zack Davies, straight up.
RE: RE: Don't trade Mateo...  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12395716 BeerFridge said:
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In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said:


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he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.



Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.


Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.
RE: I probably haven't watched a Marlins game in 10 years  
Audible : 7/31/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12395691 Greg from LI said:
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So all the talk about Gordon commanding a big price was baffling until I looked his numbers up and found out he's actually a quality player now. When did that happen? He was garbage with the Dodgers.


He's really the same player skill-wise, I think he just learned how to play to his strengths. Keep the ball on the ground (fly balls are death when you have no power), hit the ball to the left side of the infield, and just get onto first base any way you can. His defense is also much improved compared to 2012 (when he was a disaster) - he's not going to win a Gold Glove but he's basically league-average.

I don't think he's -quite- this good, nobody should be expected to run a .400 BABIP, but he's probably a true-talent .350-.360 BABIP guy, and when you turn that many batted balls into hits you don't need to do much else to be a quality offensive player. The bar at 2B is pretty low.
Red Sox trolling Yanks?  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/31/2015 10:42 am : link
Their also in on Chapman along with Kimbrel earlier. Could this be the Sox getting in just to increase the price for the Yankees?
From another forum....  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/31/2015 10:43 am : link
Hearing the Yankees are close on a deal for Ross/Kimbrel.

no source yet.
Rays of sunshine on Ackley...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 10:45 am : link
it's a blog post, but still some positives.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Heyman says Yanks are looking at...  
superspynyg : 7/31/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...

That would be great.



Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.
RE: From another forum....  
TheMick7 : 7/31/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12395733 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Hearing the Yankees are close on a deal for Ross/Kimbrel.

no source yet.


What forum?
BTW Shreve has a 1.77 ERA...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 10:48 am : link
and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.
RE: I agree Dune  
Audible : 7/31/2015 10:49 am : link
In comment 12395720 Greg from LI said:
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I know Mateo's just a kid and only in A ball, but that kind of speed is so rare, and he's shown some promise as a hitter too. Basestealing is a skill that you can feel confident will translate all the way up the ladder.


He's really turned it on the past month or so. Took a couple months to adjust to the level but that's understandable, full-season ball is a big jump. OPSing .849 this month with 9 XBH and 14/11 BB/K is a fantastic month for him. The offensive bar for SS is so low.
RE: Price and Hamels both brought back a pretty steep haul, no?  
superspynyg : 7/31/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12395534 jcn56 said:
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And Price is basically a rental. I have no problem with the Yankees approach, let the farm move it's way up and build toward the future.


We basics
Y ha e one pitcher that is or will be ready to come up to the majors soon. No one knows how he will do. He could be another Felix or he could be a Mark Prior. he can't be counted on this year.
RE: RE: RE: Don't trade Mateo...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12395724 Greg from LI said:
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he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.



Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.



Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.


Refsnyder had a sub-.700 OPS in his post-draft season. Don't read much of anything into a D1 hitter's first taste of pro ball. It's at the end of a very long season. If he's below the Mendoza line after 200 ABs next year start writing the epitaph, for now he's fine.
RE: BTW Shreve has a 1.77 ERA...  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said:
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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.


Completely agree it might already be the best. But if by chance it isn't, Kimbrel would absolutely put them over the top. :)
RE: BTW Shreve has a 1.77 ERA...  
superspynyg : 7/31/2015 10:51 am : link
In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said:
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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.


Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense.
hmmmm  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 10:55 am : link
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Joe Frisaro
✔ ý@JoeFrisaro
Haven't confirmed a possible return, if there is a fit w/ #Yankees for Capps, but a prospect #Marlins have coveted is 1B Greg Bird.
10:53 AM - 31 Jul 2015
RE: RE: RE: Don't trade Mateo...  
BeerFridge : 7/31/2015 10:58 am : link
In comment 12395724 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12395706 Dunedin81 said:


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he and Judge are the two difference-making hitting prospects we have, his value is a fraction what it will be if he does the same thing in Tampa and Trenton next year.



Agreed. SD wants a SS prospect, that's the issue at hand.



Give them their local boy Kyle Holder! Maybe they won't notice that he's hitting .197. I tried to be as optimistic as possible about that guy but it's not looking good right now.


haha. It's early to sentence Holder to Cito Culver-ville. But Tyler Wade is from California, too. And he can hit a bit.
RE: RE: BTW Shreve has a 1.77 ERA...  
BeerFridge : 7/31/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12395760 superspynyg said:
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In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said:


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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.



Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense.

Shreve's peripherals don't really support that ERA. He's good though, but may be overachieving a bit.
It  
cokeduplt : 7/31/2015 11:00 am : link
seems weird to give up a legit prospect for a reliever when the bullpen is the strength of the team right now
I think duendin said it best  
Matt M. : 7/31/2015 11:04 am : link
This would only provide a marginal improvement to what is the Yankees biggest asset, their bullpen. I don't like the trade. It reeks of making a deal just for the sake of it and including a known name to detract from the fact that neither a decent starter, nor a decent bat was obtained...unless they would try to quickly turn around a reliever for someone else.
Heyman says the Reds are asking for the kitchen sink for Chapman  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 11:06 am : link
So that's not happening
If we make this move  
nygnyy274 : 7/31/2015 11:08 am : link
I will smash something

@JoeFrisaro: Haven't confirmed a possible return, if there is a fit w/ #Yankees for Capps, but a prospect #Marlins have coveted is 1B Greg Bird.
RE: RE: RE: BTW Shreve has a 1.77 ERA...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 11:08 am : link
In comment 12395786 BeerFridge said:
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In comment 12395751 Dunedin81 said:


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and Wilson has allowed 2 ER in the last 10 weeks. So this may already be the best BP in baseball, at worst it's a top 2-3 pen.



Absolutely So get a other rotation arm for our layoff run. That makes sense.


Shreve's peripherals don't really support that ERA. He's good though, but may be overachieving a bit.


His FIP is 3.10, everything else (K/9, BB/9, WHIP, last year's stats) says it's within the range of reasonable.
I'm guessing they're trying to get a package deal for an SP and an RP  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 11:11 am : link
Maybe they get Phelps back from the Marlins with Capps...hah
Really don't pay attention to the  
Phil in LA : 7/31/2015 11:23 am : link
short season numbers of just drafted players. Jeter stunk and Dante Bichette Jr. looked great...
all I'm saying is that for a guy with concerns about his bat  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 11:31 am : link
it's not an encouraging start. That's all.
Yikes  
illmatic : 7/31/2015 11:32 am : link
Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.
Shields and Upton.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 11:33 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Heyman says Yanks are looking at...  
Beer Man : 7/31/2015 11:36 am : link
In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said:
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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...



Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.



I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.

The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors.
Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window )
RE: Yikes  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 11:45 am : link
In comment 12395893 illmatic said:
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Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.


It would make a lot of sense. Sox want a long-term return, Cubs want Upton, Padres want a SS prospect.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Heyman says Yanks are looking at...  
Del Shofner : 7/31/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12395904 Beer Man said:
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In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...



Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.



I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.


The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window )


oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate?
...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 11:48 am : link
Ken Rosenthal þ@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 11:48 am : link
No Matteo!!!
RE: ...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said:
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Ken Rosenthal þ@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres


That actually seems fake.
It is fake  
illmatic : 7/31/2015 11:49 am : link
lol
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TheMick7 : 7/31/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12395945 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said:


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Ken Rosenthal þ@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres



That actually seems fake.


It is
Just checked, don't see it, so it might be.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 11:50 am : link
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RE: RE: ...  
YAJ2112 : 7/31/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12395945 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said:


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Ken Rosenthal þ@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres



That actually seems fake.


Was it the fake twitter handle that gave it away?
fake twitter douches  
Matt in SGS : 7/31/2015 11:51 am : link
but at least we aren't "professional" sportscasters who go with fake crap and just report it (Jim Bowden)
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 11:51 am : link
In comment 12395951 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 12395941 Dunedin81 said:


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Ken Rosenthal þ@elaboube44 6m6 minutes ago
.@kimbrel46 traded to #Yankees Mateo not part of deal. More details to come. #Padres



That actually seems fake.



Was it the fake twitter handle that gave it away?


Dan was the one who retweeted it so I assumed it was legit. Curse you Dan for leading me astray!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Heyman says Yanks are looking at...  
BeerFridge : 7/31/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12395936 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said:


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In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said:


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Carter Capps as Plan B or C...

1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP...



Sign me up. Young and cheap, too.



I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong.


The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window )



oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate?


MLB has reviewed the delivery and it's been deemed ok. Unless they change the rules, he won't have a problem.
I like Capps  
RasputinPrime : 7/31/2015 11:58 am : link
I love Kimbrel. Let's get it done. The cost of a starter seems far too high.
It may be legal  
Walt in MD : 7/31/2015 11:59 am : link
but it shouldn't be. If there is some loophole that allows him to jump off the rubber like that, it should be closed.
RE: It may be legal  
RasputinPrime : 7/31/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12395972 Walt in MD said:
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but it shouldn't be. If there is some loophole that allows him to jump off the rubber like that, it should be closed.


Permitted or not, you have to wonder how it doesn't put additional strain on his body.
MLB  
illmatic : 7/31/2015 12:01 pm : link
said they're going to keep an eye on Capps and his delivery. I wouldn't be shocked if they made him change it in the near future. Especially if he's traded to the Yankees. You know he'll have to change it then.
like they made the Venditte rule  
RasputinPrime : 7/31/2015 12:03 pm : link
which, I might add, is total BS. Making the pitcher announce before the hitter? Pffffffffft
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