NFT: Yanks talk: Trade deadline final day

So can someone explain to me what the gameplan would be for a Miller/Kimbrel/Betances bullpen?

I'm not someone who worships the 9th inning, instead I think that teams would often be better suited to put out their best reliever in the 8th inning, for instance if the 8th inning pitcher faces the 3-4-5 hitters and the 9th could likely be the 7-8-9 hitters.

So I'm not coming at this from a "you have two closers, but there's only one 9th inning, what will you do!" perspective. I just can't see why you'd need an extra 70IP of 2.00 ERA relief available on top of the 150IP you already have, instead of looking to shore up other spots.

In comment 12396246 Jmosis said:

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So can someone explain to me what the gameplan would be for a Miller/Kimbrel/Betances bullpen? I'm not someone who worships the 9th inning, instead I think that teams would often be better suited to put out their best reliever in the 8th inning, for instance if the 8th inning pitcher faces the 3-4-5 hitters and the 9th could likely be the 7-8-9 hitters. So I'm not coming at this from a "you have two closers, but there's only one 9th inning, what will you do!" perspective. I just can't see why you'd need an extra 70IP of 2.00 ERA relief available on top of the 150IP you already have, instead of looking to shore up other spots.

They have burnt out Betances and Miller. They need more solid back-end arms. How that would be juggled would be interesting because it wouldn't be an easy clubhouse issue.

In comment 12395957 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 12395936 Del Shofner said: Quote: In comment 12395904 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong. The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window ) oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate? MLB has reviewed the delivery and it's been deemed ok. Unless they change the rules, he won't have a problem.

What MLB said, was that it is legal as long as he drags his toe on the ground. If you look at the videos, he clearly does not do that, as he sort of leaps forward and then throws. I think if he continues to be successful, teams will start challenging it.

In comment 12396267 Beer Man said:

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In comment 12395957 BeerFridge said: Quote: In comment 12395936 Del Shofner said: Quote: In comment 12395904 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 12395689 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 12395678 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12395655 Mike in St. Louis said: Quote: Carter Capps as Plan B or C... 1.21 ERA and 56 K in 30 IP... Sign me up. Young and cheap, too. I agree. Which is a red flag as to why a team like the Marlins would look to trade him. Doesn't make sense. He's arbitration eligible, so he'll get a raise, but not that much. There were worries about something in his delivery when he was with the Mariners, so maybe a medical issue and they are getting out before something goes wrong. The issue with Carter Capp is his Hip-Step delivery where he is well off the mound when he throws the ball. He has been called for illegal pitches a few times in the minors. I worry that it could be a big issue in the majors. Carter Capp's delivery video - ( New Window ) oh, it's *that* guy? He pitched against us a month or so ago. I think that delivery is illegal. How is it different from just pitching 18 inches closer to the plate? MLB has reviewed the delivery and it's been deemed ok. Unless they change the rules, he won't have a problem. What MLB said, was that it is legal as long as he drags his toe on the ground. If you look at the videos, he clearly does not do that, as he sort of leaps forward and then throws. I think if he continues to be successful, teams will start challenging it.

Why? He could flame out of the league in a year. Until this becomes a trend or someone explains the science behind why this gives him an unfair advantage I say leave it be.

I would have liked to see in pinstripes Dan Haren. Quality WHIP keeps you in the game and will go at least 6 innings.

The ball is released about 18 inches closer to the plate and he's jumping at the batter, which must be a distraction. I don't know that there needs to be any scientific study done on the guy. If he threw normally, he wouldn't have that strikeout rate, that's for sure.

In comment 12396289 The 12th Man said:

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I would have liked to see in pinstripes Dan Haren. Quality WHIP keeps you in the game and will go at least 6 innings.

Also only he and Buehrle have over 30 starts in each of the last 10 years. He is also third all-time in BB-to-K rate (after Pedro and Schilling). He was a solid pickup a few years ago. Very much on the end of his career though.

In comment 12396295 Walt in MD said:

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The ball is released about 18 inches closer to the plate and he's jumping at the batter, which must be a distraction. I don't know that there needs to be any scientific study done on the guy. If he threw normally, he wouldn't have that strikeout rate, that's for sure.

Ok. But can anyone else do what he is doing? Is he putting so much strain on his arm/shoulder/elbow/knees that there is actually a good reason no one else is trying it?

Don't get me wrong - I don't want to see ML cricket here but has Walden being doing something similar for years without anything coming of it? Now that he sucks n' all....

I doesn't seem sustainable, but I dont know how long he's been pitching that way. Very gimicky. It would be hard for me to root for him too. I hope he doesn't end up in pinstripes.

with 70 steals in 91 games before? Mateo seems to have insane speed.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago
My hunch is #Yankees would deal Mateo, but hesitant to do for a costly reliever as good as Kimbrel is. 2 hours to know for sure

Red Sox, Cubs, Padres reportedly negotiating 3-team 'blockbuster'that would send Kimbrel to the Sox
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Sweeny Murti ‏@YankeesWFAN 13s14 seconds ago
Whether it's for Kimbrel or one of SD starters, Padres let Yankees know any deal has to include SS prospect Jorge Mateo.

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Red Sox, Cubs, Padres reportedly negotiating 3-team 'blockbuster'that would send Kimbrel to the Sox SB Nation - ( New Window )

Hah....yeah, that's the move that will haul them out of the cellar!

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Red Sox, Cubs, Padres reportedly negotiating 3-team 'blockbuster'that would send Kimbrel to the Sox SB Nation - ( New Window )

I think Houston is more likely to get Kimbrel and Ross. I don't buy the Red Sox deal. If San Diego can move more parts in on deal with Kimbrel they will. If not, they may fall back to a smaller deal with us.

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and about a million games back. Have fun with that.

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They're what, 14 games under .500? A closer isn't going to change that much.

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In comment 12396348 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12396342 micky said: Quote: . They're what, 14 games under .500? A closer isn't going to change that much.

sarcasm never works in typed words haha

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How good would they be next year?

their prospects and get shut out. Frustrating for this year but it makes sense long term financially and philosophically. Now we have to hope some of these guys are actually impact players. But screw the innings limit and call up Severino. There is absolutely no evidence that innings limits limit injuries. But they do limit the Yankees chances of winning this year. The Yankees are winning nothing with this rotation. Put Warren back in or Mitchell for Pineda, call up Severino go 6 man or sit CC.

In comment 12396357 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year?

I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :)

Still doesn't solve any of their problems, since Uehara has actually pitched better than Kimbrel. Kimbrel doesn't hit and he doesn't start.

but with the rotation and defense in Boston what is he going to close next year? The Red Sox are a total mess and it's fantastic.

In comment 12396359 arniefez said:

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their prospects and get shut out. Frustrating for this year but it makes sense long term financially and philosophically. Now we have to hope some of these guys are actually impact players. But screw the innings limit and call up Severino. There is absolutely no evidence that innings limits limit injuries. But they do limit the Yankees chances of winning this year. The Yankees are winning nothing with this rotation. Put Warren back in or Mitchell for Pineda, call up Severino go 6 man or sit CC.

they won't get shut out. Cashman often waits until the last minute to see what the lowest cost will be for what he wants. Not sure what they get, but I expect some kind of deal but not with the big prospects.

In 2013 they somehow won a WS with basically the same roster that has tanked every other year since 2011.

but a season changer at this point unlikely. Although that hasn't been Cashman's MO for years at the deadline.

The Sawx have been a bad team for three of the last four seasons. The fourth of those seasons was a massive fluke that scored them a title, but people have acted like that is the true abilities of the team. It isn't. It was an anomaly of monumental proportions, where virtually everyone on the team outperformed their projections, some to a huge degree. Rob and I riffed on this a bit the other day. At this point, the inescapable conclusion is that they are a bad baseball team, and for all the hype about guys like Betts and Bogaerts, their ballyhooed prospects are still question marks. Maybe they take off and develop like everyone says they will, but if they don't the Sawx are in big trouble for a while.

In comment 12396373 NYerInMA said:

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In 2013 they somehow won a WS with basically the same roster that has tanked every other year since 2011.

But that's the point - 2013 is the massive outlier. 2012 and 2013-14 is who the team actually is.

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago
The Yankees have designated Garrrett Jones for assignment to make room for Dustin Ackley.

Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago
Yankees also returned OF Slade Heathcott from rehab and optioned him to Triple-A; LHP Chris Capuano also outrighted to Triple-A SWB.

Jim Bowden on MLB radio heard that Cashman has made a trade and it will be announced in a couple of hours. He cannot confirm this. But, it is from a reliable source. He texted Cashman and did not get a confirmation from him. ( I think after the Mets/Gomez fiasco everyone is a little shy to commit to having firm commitments.

they should still have 1 spot on the 40 man.

if the Yanks have checked in on Carrasco if he is indeed available.

I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring.


No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is.


I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

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In comment 12396383 Greg from LI said:

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The Sawx have been a bad team for three of the last four seasons. The fourth of those seasons was a massive fluke that scored them a title, but people have acted like that is the true abilities of the team. It isn't. It was an anomaly of monumental proportions, where virtually everyone on the team outperformed their projections, some to a huge degree. Rob and I riffed on this a bit the other day. At this point, the inescapable conclusion is that they are a bad baseball team, and for all the hype about guys like Betts and Bogaerts, their ballyhooed prospects are still question marks. Maybe they take off and develop like everyone says they will, but if they don't the Sawx are in big trouble for a while.

Well, sure. I just really meant they won the Dan Snyder award for champions of the offseason and had lots and lots of people predicting the postseason this year. Betts and Bogaerts are solid, they weren't the problem either.

In comment 12396392 TheMick7 said:

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Mark Feinsand �@FeinsandNYDN 1m1 minute ago The Yankees have designated Garrrett Jones for assignment to make room for Dustin Ackley.

Sunshine, lollipops and...something something.

In comment 12396442 Dan in the Springs said:

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I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring. No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is. I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

Agree. Very well said.

In comment 12396331 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago My hunch is #Yankees would deal Mateo, but hesitant to do for a costly reliever as good as Kimbrel is. 2 hours to know for sure

Soooo he is worth giving up for a closer but not a top end starter? I completely disagree.

they think they may be moving on to Chapman. How about maybe a package of Bruce/Chapman? That way the corpse of Beltran becomes more of a bench role.

Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago
Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation.

HAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL

He was STILL a Yankee, in theory?

In comment 12396442 Dan in the Springs said:

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I personally am hoping for very little. The way I see it, we decided to make 2015 a rebuilding year. We (fans) have complained about the Yankees not keeping to a strategy. Now that our minors are building up and about to bear fruit, I don't want to trade that fruit off to give CC one last chance to earn a ring. No offense to CC, but 2017-2021 is way more important to me than 2015 is. I think this year we're playing with house money. Give it a run with the team we have and live with the consequences. Please don't give up someone who represents real promise now.

I agree. The last time I looked at the standings we aer 7 games AHEAD in the loss column over the Jays. We are also only 4 games behind for the best recored in the A.L.

In comment 12396495 Dunedin81 said:

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Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation.

Esmil Rogers appreciation thread?

In comment 12396361 BeerFridge said:

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In comment 12396357 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 12396349 BeerFridge said: Quote: . How good would they be next year? I dunno. They looked pretty good going into this year and it's not like Uehara has been the problem. :)

Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good?

In comment 12396518 mfsd said:

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In comment 12396495 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Yankees PR Dept. �@YankeesPR 43s44 seconds ago Today @yankees unconditionally released RHP Esmil Rogers to sign w/ Hanwha Eagles of Korean Pro. Baseball in exchange for cash compensation. Esmil Rogers appreciation thread?

In comment 12396578 BigBlueShock said:

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Looked good going into this year? Is this serious? Didn't they finish dead last in the east last year? With possibly the worst rotation on baseball before the season started, how exactly did they look pretty good?

They signed Hanley and Fat Panda?!?