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superspynyg : 7/31/2015 8:50 am
Yanks still trying to work a deal for Kimbrel. Why????? We do not need a closer! We have 2 good back end guys. We need a starter. This would be a slap in the face to both Miller an Betances. You don't trade doe the games best closer to make him a set up guy.

If this trade happens And all we wind up with is
Kimbrel and a crpy utility fielder Ackely, I will be very disappointed in the Yanks front office.

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RE: RE: Cashman better bring Severino up  
giants#1 : 7/31/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12396878 mitch300 said:
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He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice


This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.


Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.
RE: I don't get the CC thing  
mitch300 : 7/31/2015 4:11 pm : link
In comment 12396859 Greg from LI said:
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They're paying him whether he starts or not. It's not like starting him somehow alleviates his huge cost. Why keep hurting your chances at winning ballgames by sticking with a guy who's been one of the very worst starters in baseball over the past three seasons? Just saying "It's because of his contract" doesn't make any sense.

I think we all agree. Except of course Cashman and Girardi think otherwise. The thing is they have CC for another 2 years. Evetually someone has to have the balls to do the right thing on the field.
These prospects better turn out to be great.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 4:11 pm : link
Would've had a legit great chance at getting to a WS with another arm.
I have to say that it's making me start to hate CC  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:13 pm : link
You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?
RE: Severino might come up and pitch a bit here and there  
BigBlueShock : 7/31/2015 4:13 pm : link
In comment 12396882 Greg from LI said:
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But he's not going to take a rotation spot.

He's going to be limited to about 150 innings. He's only at around 100 right now. He's got innings left and they may very well put him in the rotation at some point.
oops  
giants#1 : 7/31/2015 4:14 pm : link
missed the double negative.

Problem with Severino is the pitch count/innings limit. He's thrown 99 innings already this year (career high 113 last season), but as Duned has mentioned before, he's had some high pitch counts in most of his starts. But the Yanks would have 10-12 starts each remaining, so even if they limited him to 5 IP/start, he'd probably be unavailable for the postseason.

RE: RE: RE: Cashman better bring Severino up  
mitch300 : 7/31/2015 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12396893 giants#1 said:
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He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice


This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.



Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.

You missinterpeted what I said. I said it's NOT like he hasn't excelled.
you  
mitch300 : 7/31/2015 4:16 pm : link
type faster than me.LOL
I'd keep an eye on Bailey the next few weeks  
giants#1 : 7/31/2015 4:17 pm : link
former closer and currently dominating AA as he rehabs. He could fortify the pen in the same way Chapman/Kimbrel would've. And he won't cost them anything.
RE: I have to say that it's making me start to hate CC  
Victor in CT : 7/31/2015 4:17 pm : link
In comment 12396908 Greg from LI said:
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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?


Agree. He was awful last night. No movement on the fastball, poor command and location. Can't have that playing in a band box.
Man Cash has some balls of steel  
Stu11 : 7/31/2015 4:18 pm : link
Hopefully it will work out in the long term no matter what holding on to all the prospects. However he will get absolutely killed in the short term if things fall apart.
I'd be surprised if Severino gave them many innings per start  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:18 pm : link
so who knows, maybe he could give them 7 or 8 starts while averaging 5.1 IP per start.

Or maybe Mitchell takes the bull by the horns and makes the most of his considerable stuff.
O.K.  
mitch300 : 7/31/2015 4:18 pm : link
now that the trading deadline has passed. Can the Yanks now DFA Drew.
RE: I have to say that it's making me start to hate CC  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:18 pm : link
In comment 12396908 Greg from LI said:
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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?


He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."

RE: RE: I have to say that it's making me start to hate CC  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12396946 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?



He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."


Sounds like he's just as big of an idiot as he seems to be, then.
I know a majority of you are happy they didn't trade any minor  
TheMick7 : 7/31/2015 4:21 pm : link
league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).
It's not about hugging prospects...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 4:24 pm : link
it's about maximizing their return. Is the best use of Judge, Severino and/or Mateo getting another back-end bullpen guy, even a very good one? Over the course of a year, the difference between Kimbrel and his replacement might be no more than 8-10 runs. Potentially consequential runs, no doubt, but that's a steep pricetag. Hamels may or may not be an ace in the AL East. Cueto and Price were the prizes and we didn't get them. Anything else is just details.
RE: I know a majority of you are happy they didn't trade any minor  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12396952 TheMick7 said:
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league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).


What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.
To be fair about CC  
BigBlueShock : 7/31/2015 4:25 pm : link
if he ever did go to Girardi and tell him to take him out of the rotation, he'd be killed for quitting on the team. Maybe not by everybody, but plenty would hammer him. That story would take on a life of its own.

The only thing that can save CC is for him to start pitching better, or get released. The rest of it is no win situations
yeah, I can't say I'm too broken up about missing out on Hamels  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:26 pm : link
Just don't know if that guy is a plus pitcher in the AL.
WOW if true...  
CromartiesKid21 : 7/31/2015 4:27 pm : link
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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
Yanks  
Mike B from JC : 7/31/2015 4:27 pm : link
Are going to have to out hit their foes, almost every night. Warren is going to have to be back in the rotation. Severino, has to be called up. Yeah, they held on to their prospects but, maybe at the cost of a championship.
anti-climactic  
Phil in LA : 7/31/2015 4:28 pm : link
but we dodged several bullets.
RE: WOW if true...  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12396977 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no


If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.
This season  
EricNY33 : 7/31/2015 4:30 pm : link
has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
I think a lot of us are not interested...  
Dan in the Springs : 7/31/2015 4:32 pm : link
in selling out the future for a shot this year. We're Yankees fans. We don't want a championship, we want a dynasty. That requires young talent under control for several years and financial flexibility to fill in the holes.

I'm not against trading MiLB's stars. I'm just not wanting rentals in return, or guys who are going to cost as much as we could get them for in FA just by waiting a few months.
RE: This season  
Dan in the Springs : 7/31/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12396985 EricNY33 said:
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.


My sentiments exactly.
RE: RE: I know a majority of you are happy they didn't trade any minor  
TheMick7 : 7/31/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12396967 Dunedin81 said:
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league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).



What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.


And it very well might but my point was about the 2015 Yankees and the final 2 months of this regular season.I'll continue to believe the addition of a Kimbrel would have had a positive domino effect on the pitching staff but what surprises me more is that no supplemental moves were made.The addition of a 3 or 4 SP,another veteran RP is more along the lines of what I expected. That type could have been acquired w/o mortgaging the future as we are in a pennant race. but, that didn't occur so we'll root for the team we have & hope our pitching staff remains(and in some instances ,gets)healthy & in CC's case,finds the fountain of youth!
RE: This season  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12396985 EricNY33 said:
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.


The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.

A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
RE: RE: WOW if true...  
mfsd : 7/31/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12396983 Greg from LI said:
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no



If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.


That new GM in San Diego is a fucking clown. But I'm very happy we didn't do that deal
RE: RE: This season  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12397003 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.



The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.

A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.


Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
eh...I'm kind of in the middle there  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:37 pm : link
Their prospects arent' top 10 can't-miss type guys, and they did need an arm or two. I don't think they needed to do a farm system fire sale, but some of these guys had better really pan out in the future if the team ends up struggling down the stretch this year.

I didn't come into this season with any expectations either, but look at the circumstances:

-Wide open AL
-6 game lead at the end of July
-Best case scenario performance from Gardner, Tex and A-Rod
-All of the AL contenders made fairly significant moves to improve at the deadline
-The pitching was already shaky, and now Pineda's out for a month

This could very well be their best shot at a title for at least several years to come. Hard to be so sanguine about that.
RE: RE: RE: This season  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12397012 Dave in Hoboken said:
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.



The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.

A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.



Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.


If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?
and, once again, if that Padres offer was legit  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:39 pm : link
Then it's hard to blame Cashman. They made a high-quality offer and the Padres turned it down because their GM is cretin who's wrecked his team. It takes two to deal.
I really think Kimbrel would have been a shitty idea...  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 4:40 pm : link
We could have used another starter: the asking price for non-rental starters was astronomical, the asking price for rental starters wasn't much better, and there weren't many back-end guys on the move. Warren may have been better than what we could have gotten. Would have liked to see a deal for a starter but I understand why they didn't.
Why would anyone want Kelly Johnson back?  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:40 pm : link
Wasn't he shitty enough last time in pinstripes?
RE: RE: RE: RE: This season  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12397016 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.



The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.

A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.



Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.



If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?


You said it.
RE: Why would anyone want Kelly Johnson back?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:41 pm : link
In comment 12397028 Greg from LI said:
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Wasn't he shitty enough last time in pinstripes?


Still better than Garrett Jones in every way imaginable.
A marginal improvement on Garret Jones is not something  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2015 4:43 pm : link
you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.
RE: and, once again, if that Padres offer was legit  
BigBlueShock : 7/31/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12397021 Greg from LI said:
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Then it's hard to blame Cashman. They made a high-quality offer and the Padres turned it down because their GM is cretin who's wrecked his team. It takes two to deal.

Yep. And being that nobody else, Cubs, Red Sox, or Astros were able to get anything done with them tells us all we need to know about the asking price.
RE: A marginal improvement on Garret Jones is not something  
Dunedin81 : 7/31/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12397046 Greg from LI said:
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you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.


Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.
eh  
giants#1 : 7/31/2015 4:47 pm : link
I'm glad the SD GM is an idiot. A top prospect for a high priced reliever is a waste. I don't think Kimbrel is the difference between a title and a playoff loss this year.

Bats - not much they could've done there as 2B was really the only position they could've upgraded easily (without benching Beltran).

SPs - once they missed out on Cueto/Price/Hamels, what were they supposed to do? Overpay for a backend guy? Is a 3-4 starter really that much better than Mitchell/Warren, especially when they'd likely have to include a couple prospects on the Mitchell/Warren level in the deal?

They're finally getting legit prospects to the upper levels. If these guys keep hitting the way they have been, their value (even as trade chips) will only rise.
Whatever.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:47 pm : link
If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.


RE: RE: A marginal improvement on Garret Jones is not something  
giants#1 : 7/31/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12397057 Dunedin81 said:
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you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.



Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.


The best parts of the Ackley trade:
1. Jones is gone
2. Free up a 40 man spot (be it for Bailey, Severino, whoever)
yea if that was the offer to SD they are nuts to have turrned it down  
Stu11 : 7/31/2015 4:49 pm : link
absolutely nuts. Oh well I still don't see why we couldn't have picked up a major league SP ;like Leake or Haren without giving up too much, but I'll trust Cash.
RE: Doing absolutely nothing can't be spun positively, regardless  
Beer Man : 7/31/2015 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12396869 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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of how much you like those prospects.

Agree. The great teams of late 90's / early 2000's had a solid core of home grown talent that carried them for a number of years.
RE: Whatever.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12397063 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.



No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
RE: RE: Whatever.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/31/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12397079 Dave in Hoboken said:
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.





No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.


If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
Hasn't Kimbrel had Mariano type  
xman : 7/31/2015 4:58 pm : link
stats the past 4 years? I don't want him but if he has been lights out its interesting that fans ignore him while talking about Mariano in a different light

RE: RE: RE: Whatever.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/31/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12397091 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.





No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.



If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.


Incremental improvement. That's not what you trade anything away for. If Yanks should've made any moves, should've been for pitching. Not Uribe and/or Johnson. Come on, now.
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