Yanks still trying to work a deal for Kimbrel. Why????? We do not need a closer! We have 2 good back end guys. We need a starter. This would be a slap in the face to both Miller an Betances. You don't trade doe the games best closer to make him a set up guy.
If this trade happens And all we wind up with is
Kimbrel and a crpy utility fielder Ackely, I will be very disappointed in the Yanks front office.
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He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice
This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.
Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.
I think we all agree. Except of course Cashman and Girardi think otherwise. The thing is they have CC for another 2 years. Evetually someone has to have the balls to do the right thing on the field.
He's going to be limited to about 150 innings. He's only at around 100 right now. He's got innings left and they may very well put him in the rotation at some point.
Problem with Severino is the pitch count/innings limit. He's thrown 99 innings already this year (career high 113 last season), but as Duned has mentioned before, he's had some high pitch counts in most of his starts. But the Yanks would have 10-12 starts each remaining, so even if they limited him to 5 IP/start, he'd probably be unavailable for the postseason.
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He's valuing Severino like an ace and we've got holes in the rotation. They hugged Severino in the Hamels and Price talks so they need to give him the responsibility, otherwise Cashman committed serious malpractice
This I agree with. It's not like he has not excelled in AAA. Let's see what we have here with him.
Hasn't excelled? He's sporting a 1.91 ERA with a 0.929 WHIP through 61.1 IP (11 starts) in SWB. His K's have been down a little relative to his other stops, but otherwise he's been very good.
You missinterpeted what I said. I said it's NOT like he hasn't excelled.
Agree. He was awful last night. No movement on the fastball, poor command and location. Can't have that playing in a band box.
Or maybe Mitchell takes the bull by the horns and makes the most of his considerable stuff.
He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."
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You'd think he had enough pride in himself as a ballplayer to tell Girardi to take him out of the rotation since he can't do the damned job anymore. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but isn't this embarassing for a pitcher who was once one of the very best to turn into a BP pitcher?
He already said, (paraphrasing) "Every time I drive to the park the day of a start, I feel like this is the day it's going to turn around."
Sounds like he's just as big of an idiot as he seems to be, then.
What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.
The only thing that can save CC is for him to start pitching better, or get released. The rest of it is no win situations
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 21s21 seconds ago New York, USA
yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.
I'm not against trading MiLB's stars. I'm just not wanting rentals in return, or guys who are going to cost as much as we could get them for in FA just by waiting a few months.
My sentiments exactly.
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league prospects but the fact is KC,Houston,Toronto,LA,Balt all got better. We got Dustin Ackley. We have a starting rotation of Tanaka(2015 not 2014 version), Pineda (Injured),Nova (coming off TJ surgery & naturally inconsistent),Eovaldi (shakiest 10 game winner in baseball) & CC (Done)' I'm sure Severino, Mitchell & possibly Warren will see starts in the next 2 months but if you're not concerned as a Yankee fan, I want a pair of those rose-colored glasses. Some of you in this thread talked about the BP being burnt out because they're used every day-I agree!I hope we stay healthy & the offense continues to carry us the next 2 months. I'm just amazed that nothing externally was done to supplement a pitching staff that needed it (And yes,I know Severino & Mitchell will help until they reach their innings limits and perhaps Andrew Bailey will pitch well at SWB and be called up to help the BP).
What happened to all the offseason superstars? Boston? San Diego? Miami? Jack shit. That will be the fate of most of these deadline superstars too.
And it very well might but my point was about the 2015 Yankees and the final 2 months of this regular season.I'll continue to believe the addition of a Kimbrel would have had a positive domino effect on the pitching staff but what surprises me more is that no supplemental moves were made.The addition of a 3 or 4 SP,another veteran RP is more along the lines of what I expected. That type could have been acquired w/o mortgaging the future as we are in a pennant race. but, that didn't occur so we'll root for the team we have & hope our pitching staff remains(and in some instances ,gets)healthy & in CC's case,finds the fountain of youth!
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
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yankees were willing to put in jorge mateo and take back gyorko and eat a good part of it to get kimbrel. pads said no
If that's the case, then SD is a fucking clown show.
That new GM in San Diego is a fucking clown. But I'm very happy we didn't do that deal
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
I didn't come into this season with any expectations either, but look at the circumstances:
-Wide open AL
-6 game lead at the end of July
-Best case scenario performance from Gardner, Tex and A-Rod
-All of the AL contenders made fairly significant moves to improve at the deadline
-The pitching was already shaky, and now Pineda's out for a month
This could very well be their best shot at a title for at least several years to come. Hard to be so sanguine about that.
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?
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has been a complete pleasant surprise for me so in all honesty I'm not upset they didn't do much at the trade deadline. Everything about this season is gravy for me. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to win another World Series, but I'd rather stick with the prospects and build a sustainable future than just go for it now.
The chances of EACH and every one of those prospects panning out, or at the very least, not losing value as trading chips is exceedingly low. But if the Heyman report is to be believed, they weren't being stingy... they just couldn't get anything done.
A perfect trade for the team IMO would've been getting Uribe and Kelly Johnson. The bench worries me if one of the 5 main hitters gets hurt.
Uribe and Johnson are scrubs. No thanks.
If they're scrubs, what are Garrett Jones and Brendan Ryan... corpses?
You said it.
Still better than Garrett Jones in every way imaginable.
Yep. And being that nobody else, Cubs, Red Sox, or Astros were able to get anything done with them tells us all we need to know about the asking price.
Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.
Bats - not much they could've done there as 2B was really the only position they could've upgraded easily (without benching Beltran).
SPs - once they missed out on Cueto/Price/Hamels, what were they supposed to do? Overpay for a backend guy? Is a 3-4 starter really that much better than Mitchell/Warren, especially when they'd likely have to include a couple prospects on the Mitchell/Warren level in the deal?
They're finally getting legit prospects to the upper levels. If these guys keep hitting the way they have been, their value (even as trade chips) will only rise.
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you trade any sort of assets for. Johnson is crap and would have provided nothing. And Jones is gone from the team now anyway.
Yeah but they arguably weren't significant assets. Flores is out of options after this year and would have been an obvious DFA candidate. Other, toolsier OF in the upper minors. Ramirez has struggled in limited looks in the Bronx and there are probably ten MLB-ready relievers behind him. Was also a DFA candidate.
The best parts of the Ackley trade:
1. Jones is gone
2. Free up a 40 man spot (be it for Bailey, Severino, whoever)
Agree. The great teams of late 90's / early 2000's had a solid core of home grown talent that carried them for a number of years.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
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If Dustin Ackley had the numbers Kelly Johnson had this year, he'd still be starting in Seattle instead of being the Yanks' latest reclamation project.
No one is saying Ackley is good. Just that Johnson and Uribe are garbage, too.
If you don't think they would've improved the bench over what the Yankees have right now (and at a cost of less than any of the Yankees' best prospects), then I honestly don't know what to tell you.
Incremental improvement. That's not what you trade anything away for. If Yanks should've made any moves, should've been for pitching. Not Uribe and/or Johnson. Come on, now.