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NFT: By the Hammer of Thor: Mets/Nats 3

Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2015 4:50 pm
Granderson RF
Murphy 2B
Cespedes CF
Duda 1B
Uribe 3B
Johnson LF
Plawecki C
Syndergaard P
Tejada SS

Kirk N to DL. Conforto back up.

national TV game.
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RE: Who pitches tomorrow?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/2/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12399478 PhiPsi125 said:
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Colon
tomorrow in Florida @ 7:10pm  
spike : 8/2/2015 10:58 pm : link
Colon vs Koehler
Pretty funny when they said for the Nats  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 10:59 pm : link
you just have to get out of here and face somebody thats not a right-hander throwing 100 MPH. lol.
I hate the Marlins  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 10:59 pm : link
they are always such a pain in the ass. Win 2 of 3 and Ill be thrilled.
Unbelievable turnaround.  
arcarsenal : 8/2/2015 11:00 pm : link
Felt like we hit a pretty dark place after that loss to SD. Now we're tied for 1st.

A message was sent this weekend. Make no mistake about it.
RE: RE: Who pitches tomorrow?  
PhiPsi125 : 8/2/2015 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12399482 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Colon


Ugh
Colon  
Rory : 8/2/2015 11:02 pm : link
Will step up , he wants to be a part of this too

"You gotta believe "
Colon has been a major weak link recently. Let's hope he can pitch  
Four Aces : 8/2/2015 11:03 pm : link
more like he did against the Dodgers than his last outing.
I think Colon will have some good outings down the stretch  
Eric on Li : 8/2/2015 11:04 pm : link
He's due. if they do get to the post season though I don't see any way he gets a start.
RE: I think Colon will have some good outings down the stretch  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12399491 Eric on Li said:
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He's due. if they do get to the post season though I don't see any way he gets a start.


No chance but he's here because he's an innings eater and we need him to at least give us that down the stretch. He'll be facing weaker lineups now so it should be a tad easier.
And if Conforto is here  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:07 pm : link
Im betting he reclaims LF starting tomorrow with Cespedes/Granderson sharing CF.
RE: And if Conforto is here  
spike : 8/2/2015 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12399494 ZGiants98 said:
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Im betting he reclaims LF starting tomorrow with Cespedes/Granderson sharing CF.


Not goign to happen. Cespedes and Grandy are the big bats that need to play almost every day.

a Mets-Dodgers NLDS  
spike : 8/2/2015 11:10 pm : link
should be pretty damn awesome.
RE: a Mets-Dodgers NLDS  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/2/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12399496 spike said:
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should be pretty damn awesome.


Imagine the pitching matchups for that series:

Greinke - Harvey
Kershaw - de Grom
Latos - Thor
RE: RE: And if Conforto is here  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12399495 spike said:
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Im betting he reclaims LF starting tomorrow with Cespedes/Granderson sharing CF.



Not goign to happen. Cespedes and Grandy are the big bats that need to play almost every day.


Obviously. Im saying if Cespedes is in CF, Granderson would be in RF. In fact I think against highhanded pitching its going to be Conforto-Cespedes-Granderson the majority of the time.
Hernandez pitched today.....so we don't face him this series!  
GiantBlue : 8/2/2015 11:16 pm : link
Gotta take advantage of that!
Best part of tonight/this weekend?  
Shecky : 8/2/2015 11:17 pm : link
For a couple of days last week, we were the laughing stock of the league. And tonight, mets fans are the talk of the league for a completely different reason.
Sorry....Fernandez  
GiantBlue : 8/2/2015 11:17 pm : link
It's late and I am psyched!
I'm going to try and go see them in Cincinnati in Sept if I can  
steve in ky : 8/2/2015 11:19 pm : link
With Cincinnati out of it do you guys think it would be cheaper to wait and buy tickets until just before the game or buy them now where there might be some deals from people getting rid of their tickets as soon as the can?

I have a feeling that series October 2-4 against these guys at Citi...  
arcarsenal : 8/2/2015 11:20 pm : link
...is going to be a very, very big one.
Time to take off.  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:22 pm : link
Lets beef up our wins on a softer schedule and let the last remaining pieces (Wright, Matz, Blevins, Cuddyer, and Goedell) trickle in. I expect a waiver reliever also.
RE: I have a feeling that series October 2-4 against these guys at Citi...  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12399506 arcarsenal said:
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...is going to be a very, very big one.


We'll have a 7 game lead by then. ;)
Ill be holding it down in Florida  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:23 pm : link
for you all. Ill be at the Friday Rays game and possibly the Sunday game as well.
Citi was electric tonight!  
jpkmets : 8/2/2015 11:24 pm : link
Such an outpouring of insane joy after the three HRs. Wonderful feeling!

Now take the series from the Marlins!
RE: RE: I have a feeling that series October 2-4 against these guys at Citi...  
arcarsenal : 8/2/2015 11:27 pm : link
In comment 12399508 ZGiants98 said:
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...is going to be a very, very big one.



We'll have a 7 game lead by then. ;)


Hope so, man. Feels so good right now but we know how this team goes.. we'll probably have a couple more valleys between peaks.

Just a fun time to be a fan right now, though. Looking forward to these next couple months.

One of the really big pluses that came from these moves was how much stronger it made the bench. We have MLB players on it now and can play matchups more and sub late in games effectively. The trickle down effect is massive.
Yup. All I want is reasonable health  
ZGiants98 : 8/2/2015 11:31 pm : link
for the last two months. We have so much depth right now at so many positions. I know Im probably alone on an island, but even adding Cuddyer's 8 homeruns off the bench is going to be pretty nice. We are going to be able to matchup perfectly in almost any situation.

Granderson
Murphy
Cespedes
Duda
Wright
Conforto
TDA
Tejada

For the playoffs looks DAMN good with our pitching. Add one more reliever and this team will be jacked from every direction.
Just  
spike : 8/2/2015 11:47 pm : link
dont pitch to Stanton for 3 games and we will sweep
stanton  
sshin05 : 8/2/2015 11:48 pm : link
is still on the DL
watching the game on tv  
sshin05 : 8/2/2015 11:51 pm : link
you can feel the electricity. The fans were non-stop almost after the mets took the lead. Met fans have been starving for a good team. Literally starving. You can just sense it at the series over the weekend. It was like a playoff atmosphere. I've been to the 2006 NLCS game 6 for the must win game with John Maine starting. The stadium was rocking before the game started, that's how great the atmosphere was.
swap chris Hemsworth's head with Noah's head  
spike : 8/2/2015 11:55 pm : link
this would be perfect

David Wright in this lineup..  
arcarsenal : 8/2/2015 11:56 pm : link
Man, I can't get my hopes up, but... boy I'd love to see it. Grandy, Duda and Murph from the left side.. Yoenis, DW and TdA on the right.. good luck.
If Conforto can catch up to speed in 2 months  
spike : 8/2/2015 11:58 pm : link
and take over RF, this team will go far!
I dont think Conforto stays up long  
Four Aces : 8/3/2015 12:01 am : link
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I think he'll get at least two weeks  
ZGiants98 : 8/3/2015 12:12 am : link
to claim LF while Kirk is out. If he doesn't we'll probably see a Johnson/Cuddyer platoon in LF.
No Fernandez, no Stanton this series.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2015 12:17 am : link
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RE: I think he'll get at least two weeks  
Four Aces : 8/3/2015 1:24 am : link
In comment 12399535 ZGiants98 said:
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to claim LF while Kirk is out. If he doesn't we'll probably see a Johnson/Cuddyer platoon in LF.


Yeah I think it's eventually a Cuddyer/Johnson platoon in LF.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Duda is still Mets property  
Audible : 8/3/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12399381 ZGiants98 said:
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Nah. Premier power slugging first baseman are probably in their prime at 31. They don't need speed and range or any of that. And Duda got a real late start waiting for a spot to clear for him. He has very low tread on those tires.


There's a good number of 1B who are at or near their peak at age 31, but the track record of 1B in age 33-34 outside the peak steroid era is... not good. Big bodies carrying a lot of weight (a category to which Duda definitely belongs - not that I'm calling him fat or anything, but he's a large human being) typically do not age well. Maybe Duda ages slightly better because he has slightly more tread on his tires, but even if he played slightly less in game, he still carries that weight around every day, in warmups, in BP, on the plane... maybe you adjust the aging curve by a few months or a year, I think more than that is speculative at best.

If I'm the Mets I let this play out, bank on Dom Smith as my 1B of the future and use the Duda money to pay for something other than 1B decline years.

If Dominic Smith's b
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Duda is still Mets property  
ZGiants98 : 8/3/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12399757 Audible said:
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Nah. Premier power slugging first baseman are probably in their prime at 31. They don't need speed and range or any of that. And Duda got a real late start waiting for a spot to clear for him. He has very low tread on those tires.



There's a good number of 1B who are at or near their peak at age 31, but the track record of 1B in age 33-34 outside the peak steroid era is... not good. Big bodies carrying a lot of weight (a category to which Duda definitely belongs - not that I'm calling him fat or anything, but he's a large human being) typically do not age well. Maybe Duda ages slightly better because he has slightly more tread on his tires, but even if he played slightly less in game, he still carries that weight around every day, in warmups, in BP, on the plane... maybe you adjust the aging curve by a few months or a year, I think more than that is speculative at best.

If I'm the Mets I let this play out, bank on Dom Smith as my 1B of the future and use the Duda money to pay for something other than 1B decline years.

If Dominic Smith's b


Totally fair but I could totally see one of the preeminent power hitting first baseman(again assuming he continues to be a 30 HR wRC+135ish bat) in baseball getting a 5-6 year deal at 31 with the expectation you are overpaying him on the downside of his career. Happens all the time.
that was a real fun and satisfying weekend  
GMenLTS : 8/3/2015 10:15 am : link
Let's keep the momentum going maybe?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Duda is still Mets property  
Audible : 8/3/2015 10:21 am : link
In comment 12399776 ZGiants98 said:
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Totally fair but I could totally see one of the preeminent power hitting first baseman(again assuming he continues to be a 30 HR wRC+135ish bat) in baseball getting a 5-6 year deal at 31 with the expectation you are overpaying him on the downside of his career. Happens all the time.


Oh I could totally see him getting that deal - I just don't think the Mets necessarily need to be the team to pay him. Enjoy the prime years under arb and then enjoy paying Dom Smith 500K instead of 20M and spend the money somewhere else. This pitching staff is cheap now but it won't be cheap forever.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Duda is still Mets property  
ZGiants98 : 8/3/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12399797 Audible said:
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Totally fair but I could totally see one of the preeminent power hitting first baseman(again assuming he continues to be a 30 HR wRC+135ish bat) in baseball getting a 5-6 year deal at 31 with the expectation you are overpaying him on the downside of his career. Happens all the time.



Oh I could totally see him getting that deal - I just don't think the Mets necessarily need to be the team to pay him. Enjoy the prime years under arb and then enjoy paying Dom Smith 500K instead of 20M and spend the money somewhere else. This pitching staff is cheap now but it won't be cheap forever.


Yup. That's kind of where I'm at. It should work out either way. Either by then the finances are better and maybe if he's a fan favorite you over pay him to keep him, if not you have a first round pick being groomed for that role.
The Mets have a real shot to be a VERY relevant team for the next few  
Matt M. : 8/3/2015 10:47 am : link
years.

1) Even with injuries, they have enough plus pitching to have one of the top 3 rotations in baseball. They MUST commit to locking up a few now, while they are still cheap.

2) They MUST get 1 or 2 legit bats for this lineup.

3) They have to seriously decide whether Wright has any future (immediate or longer term) at this point.

4) D'Arnaud either has to remain healthy or they must be willing to trade him.
RE: The Mets have a real shot to be a VERY relevant team for the next few  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12399857 Matt M. said:
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years.

1) Even with injuries, they have enough plus pitching to have one of the top 3 rotations in baseball. They MUST commit to locking up a few now, while they are still cheap.

2) They MUST get 1 or 2 legit bats for this lineup.

3) They have to seriously decide whether Wright has any future (immediate or longer term) at this point.

4) D'Arnaud either has to remain healthy or they must be willing to trade him.


Biggest question for me is who they get to replace Cespedes assuming he doesn't come back. Can't just assume Conforto is "really good" next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Duda is still Mets property  
Audible : 8/3/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12399846 ZGiants98 said:
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Yup. That's kind of where I'm at. It should work out either way. Either by then the finances are better and maybe if he's a fan favorite you over pay him to keep him, if not you have a first round pick being groomed for that role.


And the QO system is still in place, he's an easy choice to tag.
RE: RE: The Mets have a real shot to be a VERY relevant team for the next few  
Four Aces : 8/3/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12399863 DanMetroMan said:
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years.

1) Even with injuries, they have enough plus pitching to have one of the top 3 rotations in baseball. They MUST commit to locking up a few now, while they are still cheap.

2) They MUST get 1 or 2 legit bats for this lineup.

3) They have to seriously decide whether Wright has any future (immediate or longer term) at this point.

4) D'Arnaud either has to remain healthy or they must be willing to trade him.



Biggest question for me is who they get to replace Cespedes assuming he doesn't come back. Can't just assume Conforto is "really good" next year.


I think the Mets have to resign Cespedes or make a run at Upton. Looking at the free agent landscape next year those are the top OFs, and SA tried to trade for Upton before the trade deadline.
If the Mets and  
Metnut : 8/3/2015 11:21 am : link
Cespedes were close to a deal and ran into the deadline, is there anything preventing both the Mets/Cespedes from ripping up the deal and allowing the Mets to continue to negotiate with him? I'm not sure why Cespedes would want to take a willing bidder out of the mix.
RE: If the Mets and  
DanMetroMan : 8/3/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12399935 Metnut said:
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Cespedes were close to a deal and ran into the deadline, is there anything preventing both the Mets/Cespedes from ripping up the deal and allowing the Mets to continue to negotiate with him? I'm not sure why Cespedes would want to take a willing bidder out of the mix.


Sadly with Jay-Z as his agent I find it very, very hars to believe he's going to sign with the Mets before testing the market and if he hits the market he CAN'T return. Basically he would have to absolutely fall in love with the team AND walk away from a likely bigger deal despite being open about wanting to test the market. We can live for today, I still like the deal but it's why Gomez/Bruce made more "sense".
To me the Mets need two things  
Deej : 8/3/2015 12:05 pm : link
(1) a heart of the order with at least four or five 3-5 WAR bats; (2) a lineup that does not count on any <2 WAR players with an emphasis on more production out of the middle of the diamond (SS/2B/CF). You need a professional heart of the order, and enough depth and so that you arent just filling a position with a near replacement level type.

For 2016 we have four obvious potential 4 WAR bats (and Im focusing more on offense; Lagares gets most of his value from D) -- Duda, Wright, TDA, and Grandy. Two of those guys are massive injury risks, and a third is older and is having his first good season since 2011. Making matters worse, the only guy under control who seems like a halfway decent bet to really break into that group next season is Flores. No way am I projecting Conforto or Herrera to be in that range next season. So it seems to me that we need to add another 4 win bat this offseason, be it resigning YC or trading for someone. I dont see much of a chance that we sign away such a FA, especially since the positions of needs are the expensive ones -- SS, 2B, and CF.
I think your greatly exaggerating Granderson's  
ZGiants98 : 8/3/2015 2:54 pm : link
decline. Acting like him hitting 43 homeruns in 2012 was a poor season is quite the stretch even if his defensive metrics pulled his WAR down substantially that year. 2013 he was a 1.5 WAR player in like a third of a season of atbats so Id hardly call that "bad" either.

Really Granderson's only off year was his 20 HR 2014 campaign with the Mets which tends to be a trend with FA who come here for some reason in the first season.
Like I said  
ZGiants98 : 8/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Way too many moving parts right now. Conforto should be starting in LF tonight again. What if he starts to prove himself THIS year? What if he is the playoff hero and the reason we win the World Series? lol. What if Cespedes sucks? He didn't do jack for Boston when they traded for him last year and is also notably streaky.

I think we'll make a competitive offer to Cespedes when the time comes but if he declines and wants to test FA? C'est la vi.
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