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Tweet from Garafalo  
bumpsinthenight : 8/3/2015 8:50 am : link
Giants prez John Mara said on @BoomerandCarton GM Jerry Reese spoke to Jason Pierre-Paul yesterday. So some more cooperation from JPP now.
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Headhunter : 8/3/2015 8:51 am : link
Paul Schwartz 8m
John Mara said JPP has also spoken with Ronnie Barnes, Giants senior VP of Medical Services.
hope he told him ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 8:57 am : link
that his services are no longer needed here in NY ... hit the bricks ... I wish I could say that after seeing his picture I felt some sort of sorrow for the guy, but I cant ... perhaps if he handled things post-explosion differently I would ...
you dont ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 8:58 am : link
snub coach when he reaches out to you ... that's a big no no
RE: hope he told him ...  
Lithium : 8/3/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12399642 Hem Roid said:
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that his services are no longer needed here in NY ... hit the bricks ... I wish I could say that after seeing his picture I felt some sort of sorrow for the guy, but I cant ... perhaps if he handled things post-explosion differently I would ...


He looked exactly the way I thought he would-like an idiot who blew his hand off trying to light fireworks.
great  
djm : 8/3/2015 9:19 am : link
you don' care about JPP and you want him cut asap. Now shut the fuck up.
So, when will he arrive at camp?  
ZogZerg : 8/3/2015 9:20 am : link
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I'm so tired of this joke but for some reason this made me laugh  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 9:26 am : link
"JReese is the JPP of GMs!"
If he would agree to a negotiated FT number  
BillT : 8/3/2015 9:28 am : link
Say 50% and come to camp, be paced on the PUP list and hope to be activated for the 2nd half of the season it would be best for all.
RE: If he would agree to a negotiated FT number  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 9:34 am : link
In comment 12399683 BillT said:
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Say 50% and come to camp, be paced on the PUP list and hope to be activated for the 2nd half of the season it would be best for all.


did you see his picture ? anyone who thinks this guy will sniff a football field in 2015, or possibly beyond is sick in the head ...
RE: hope he told him ...  
okiegiant : 8/3/2015 9:39 am : link
In comment 12399642 Hem Roid said:
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that his services are no longer needed here in NY ... hit the bricks ... I wish I could say that after seeing his picture I felt some sort of sorrow for the guy, but I cant ... perhaps if he handled things post-explosion differently I would ...


You're not big on supporting people, are you?
RE: RE: If he would agree to a negotiated FT number  
micky : 8/3/2015 9:39 am : link
In comment 12399696 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12399683 BillT said:


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Say 50% and come to camp, be paced on the PUP list and hope to be activated for the 2nd half of the season it would be best for all.



did you see his picture ? anyone who thinks this guy will sniff a football field in 2015, or possibly beyond is sick in the head ...


So wait..you personally examined his hand by a picture through bandages? He may or may not return..only JPP knows
RE: great  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 9:42 am : link
In comment 12399672 djm said:
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you don' care about JPP and you want him cut asap. Now shut the fuck up.


no I don't ... what I care about is the plan, after life without JPP, and how this team will look without him ... we were 6-10 with him and have missed the playoffs for what 4 years now ? so I do not think he is the "lynch-pin" everyone labels him to be ... its a lot of fluff
With a handle like Hem Roid...  
BMac : 8/3/2015 9:44 am : link
...why would anyone expect anything other than negative/trollack behavior from him/her?
RE: RE: hope he told him ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 9:44 am : link
In comment 12399708 okiegiant said:
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In comment 12399642 Hem Roid said:


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that his services are no longer needed here in NY ... hit the bricks ... I wish I could say that after seeing his picture I felt some sort of sorrow for the guy, but I cant ... perhaps if he handled things post-explosion differently I would ...



You're not big on supporting people, are you?



why would I support a guy who has shown zero love for the people that have taken care of him up until this point of his career ?

Cant return a text from your HC who is asking how you are as a human being ?

Guy is dirt, even if he is taking the advice from others, be a man, be your own person ... shows poor character
RE: RE: great  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2015 9:45 am : link
In comment 12399713 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12399672 djm said:


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you don' care about JPP and you want him cut asap. Now shut the fuck up.



no I don't ... what I care about is the plan, after life without JPP, and how this team will look without him ... we were 6-10 with him and have missed the playoffs for what 4 years now ? so I do not think he is the "lynch-pin" everyone labels him to be ... its a lot of fluff


Yes because JPP is the reason the Giants have not made the playoffs...

Fact is no one knows how long he is going to be out and no one knows how he is going to play and none of us know how bad that hand is based on the wrapping of his hand...

He is on a 1 year contract, his contract is not keeping the Giants from signing anyone, cutting him would be stupid...
well  
djm : 8/3/2015 9:46 am : link
we were 6-10 with Eli too.

Not that I am comparing the two players just pointing out how stupid that belief is.

Just let the situation unfold and let the people in charge do what they feel is best for the franchise. Trust me winning is in their best interest. If JPP can play this season they will find a way to keep him in blue for 2015. If he's done, they will cut ties. Something tells me JPP is not done as a player. If he was, we'd know by now. But hey, you know more than we do right?
RE: RE: RE: hope he told him ...  
Giantology : 8/3/2015 9:47 am : link
In comment 12399717 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12399642 Hem Roid said:


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that his services are no longer needed here in NY ... hit the bricks ... I wish I could say that after seeing his picture I felt some sort of sorrow for the guy, but I cant ... perhaps if he handled things post-explosion differently I would ...



You're not big on supporting people, are you?




why would I support a guy who has shown zero love for the people that have taken care of him up until this point of his career ?

Cant return a text from your HC who is asking how you are as a human being ?

Guy is dirt, even if he is taking the advice from others, be a man, be your own person ... shows poor character


The irony is, you're the one who looks like dirt and is showing poor character. Get over yourself, and apply this generously



You seem to fail to understand that this is a business. The Giants seem to do a great job of taking care of their own, but let's face it, they don't hesitate to make business decisions themselves.

I'm not condoning JPP's actions, I wish he would've communicated with the team or accepted the long term deal, but it's his choice and it certainly does not make him "dirt"
RE: well  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12399723 djm said:
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we were 6-10 with Eli too.

Not that I am comparing the two players just pointing out how stupid that belief is.

Just let the situation unfold and let the people in charge do what they feel is best for the franchise. Trust me winning is in their best interest. If JPP can play this season they will find a way to keep him in blue for 2015. If he's done, they will cut ties. Something tells me JPP is not done as a player. If he was, we'd know by now. But hey, you know more than we do right?


I believe he is not needed as much as everyone feels he is ... look at this defense over the past several seasons ... stats don't lie, league ranks don't lie ... as a unit, they have been pitiful ... individuals make a unit, he is 1 player ... to say losing any 1 person from that unit which has produced league lows doesn't mean much ... I am more excited to see younger guys get reps now ...
not returning a simple text ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 9:50 am : link
to your head coach reaching out for your well being is enough to drive a nail in the coffin ... poor handlers, poor player ...
RE: not returning a simple text ...  
micky : 8/3/2015 10:01 am : link
In comment 12399736 Hem Roid said:
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to your head coach reaching out for your well being is enough to drive a nail in the coffin ... poor handlers, poor player ...


Ever have a traumatic thing happen to you? Everyone acts differently..who knows? He could've been depressed or embarrassed with what happened (aside from taking advice from his $ hungry agent) and didn't react accordingly as people would like. You don't or we don't know what was going through JPP's mind. Listen every person on this earth makes mistakes and bad decisions. It is what is. I'm sure the giants truely mean that in which they say for jpp and his well being aside from football. Of they're handling it business wise, but I do believe they care for their own off the field too. Not just cold businessmen IMHO.
am in agreement with  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 10:15 am : link
you here feeling that what sets this organization apart from others is that there is a genuine interest in the player as a person.

That is why his conduct to this point is
not sure what happened here to above post ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 10:16 am : link
but that's why the way in which JPP has handled his situation is so shocking ... we aren't the Jets, or Philly ... it is a direct smack in the face ...

he owes it to TC to respond ... no question about it
to no ones surprise  
UConn4523 : 8/3/2015 10:18 am : link
the comments on this thread are laughable.
It's a start when communication lines are re-established  
Torrag : 8/3/2015 10:24 am : link
Now they have to arrange for him to get to the facility for a full evaluation. That's the first step to determining his status and get a dialogue going based on the facts of his medical situation.
RE: It's a start when communication lines are re-established  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12399805 Torrag said:
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Now they have to arrange for him to get to the facility for a full evaluation. That's the first step to determining his status and get a dialogue going based on the facts of his medical situation.


I could imagine that JPP would want to give the hand more time to heal before allowing the Giants access to evaluate it, and by default, his value as a player to them this year.

The earlier in the healing process it is, the wider the range of prognosis can be made.



Some fans in this thread acting a lot more butthurt  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2015 10:31 am : link
than the people running the team have demonstrated themselves to be.
RE: Some fans in this thread acting a lot more butthurt  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12399816 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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than the people running the team have demonstrated themselves to be.


not true ... I am sure there is plenty of resentment behind the scene ...
A negotiated FT number?  
Matt M. : 8/3/2015 10:40 am : link
There is no negotiation involved with the franchise tag. It is a league determined price. At this point, either he signs the tender and it is up to the giants to determine what his availability will be to start the season, or they reach an agreement for a lesser salary, with most of it guaranteed. Those are basically the only 2 options. He isn't getting a long term deal and he isn't signing a tender with any guarantee from the Giants that he won't be placed on the NFI list to open the season.
Every thing JPP  
Headhunter : 8/3/2015 10:41 am : link
has done or not done has been on the advise of his handlers. To me he is a kid that made a huge mistake. If you take the business side out of the JPP equation, he has been a great team mate and accessible to the media and seems happy go lucky. Some of the personal disappointment
for what he did because he is depriving you of something you feel he owes you and to turn it into the bullshit about him as a person makes me hate that I have to have you in my life, even if it is only online because of the Giants we root for
advice  
Headhunter : 8/3/2015 10:41 am : link
not advise
None of us know him  
Kanavis : 8/3/2015 10:42 am : link
So I just don't get all of the anger. I don't know what happened but it is reasonable to guess that he panicked and was in awful pain. At that point it's probably just easier to listen to your agent rather than reach out to a team that doesn't actually have you under contrast. The agent did what he could to gain any leverage possible. Was this a mistake? I think so. I also think he should have had the Giants best possible hand surgeon to go down there. But he was in life altering trauma. Perhaps he should have taken Coughlin's call but how much is there to say?

I think it's unrealistic to expect much from him this year. He played the run well last year but had 3 sacks in the first 11 games. So I would prefer we don't have to guess all year as to whether he is coming back.

But acting like he should automatically trust the Giants is unrealistic. This is a business and a brutal one at that. If he can't play, he won't be paid. Even if the Giants are one of the more classy organizations.
I've been on both sides of  
Gman11 : 8/3/2015 11:18 am : link
this debate. I think JPP actions have been really stupid no matter if he's being advised by his agent or not.

However, I do think that Reese and Mara will do whatever they think is best for the Giants when all is said and done. If they think that JPP can play this year and be effective then they will honor the franchise tag when he eventually signs it. If they don't think he can play then they'll pull the tag. Even though the front office is concerned about his well being they still have a job to do whatever is in the best interest of the team.
I'm not a troll at all....  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/3/2015 11:22 am : link
and I don't disagree with one thing that Hem Roid has said.

He's 100 percent right. JPP is a selfish baby. He had that rep before he went A-Team on his hand, and now based on factual information we have received it isn't even a question.

The Giant's don't operate like other franchises. They value loyalty, respect and commitment to team above everything else. News flash- that has won us 4 super bowls, and 2 in the last decade.

The Madden Generation doesn't really get that. A team with 53 selfish me first guys would finish in last place every year.
I think we all agree JPP has handled this poorly...  
okiegiant : 8/3/2015 11:23 am : link
but I still hope the best for him as a person.
Jeeeerrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! THEY TOOK MY THUMB!  
Victor in CT : 8/3/2015 11:25 am : link
It hurts so much!

:-)
The Pope Of Greenwich Village - "Charlie, they took my thumb!!!!" - ( New Window )
I'm not a troll at all....  
Headhunter : 8/3/2015 11:27 am : link
unless you can show where he earned that rep as selfish, you are a troll in my book
RE: I think we all agree JPP has handled this poorly...  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 11:29 am : link
In comment 12399941 okiegiant said:
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but I still hope the best for him as a person.


I disagree

This thing is a shit sandwich, there is no way to make it taste like filet mignon.

Blowing up you hand was obviously incredibly stupid, but what he has done since then has given him the best chance to earn the most money possible in 2015.

Since he is on a 1 year deal no matter what, that should be his primary goal.(which BTW is not at odds with setting himself up for the best deal possible for 2016 and beyond)

This is a for profit business on all sides.

Everything Hem Roid posts in this site  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/3/2015 11:31 am : link
is just calling JPP awful names.

I'm not sure if there's an official definition of "trolling," but this poster seems to only be here to insight trouble regarding the team's most provocative storyline.

I'd also venture to guess it's a dupe who should be banned.
ron, of course it is...  
okiegiant : 8/3/2015 11:33 am : link
All I am saying is I'm(me, no one else)not going to hope for the worst for JPP just because he's a moron.
Headhunter  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/3/2015 11:34 am : link
Ok...I'll play

#1- Had a breakout year as a rookie as the offenses concentrated on Osi, Tuck and Kiwanuka. Comes into camp the next year so out of shape and spends the year injured on and off. His gut was the equivalent of a middle aged man.

#2- Thinks it is hilarious to risk injury to a starting CB by picking him up and tossing him into an ice bath.

#3- RENTS A FUCKING U-HAUL FULL OF FIREWORKS AND PROCEEDS TO BLOW UP A GOD DAMN PIECE OF DYNAMITE IN HIS HAND.

I can go on, but does that sound like the epitome of a team guy who as a professional is focusing on mastering his craft and become a team leader or does that sound like a selfish, stupid 20 year old kid?
Lot words  
Headhunter : 8/3/2015 11:40 am : link
proved nothing. Maybe put it the form of a limerick and use those caps.
JPP's breakout year was his second season.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/3/2015 11:42 am : link
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peoples conveniently forget  
UConn4523 : 8/3/2015 11:43 am : link
that he's likely the best run stuffing DE in the NFL which apparently doesn't matter at all to some people. He absolutely needs to work on his pass rush, but the other half of his game he was flat out dominant in.
RE: peoples conveniently forget  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12399980 UConn4523 said:
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that he's likely the best run stuffing DE in the NFL which apparently doesn't matter at all to some people. He absolutely needs to work on his pass rush, but the other half of his game he was flat out dominant in.


perhaps he WAS the best run stuffing DE in the league, but no longer ... don't care who you speak to, or interview, those digits are vital, his hand is a mess, will be for a long long time ... will never have the grappling, inside leverage, pulling, holding strength again
Yes it was Brett  
Headhunter : 8/3/2015 11:46 am : link
and I'm still waiting for the first quote or article written prior to his
blowing up his hand from players on the team, coaches, anyone related to the Giants that JPP was selfish. Some old guy ( the Madden generation reference) who thinks he is, means less than 0 to me
And Tuck played 12 games in 2011  
BrettNYG10 : 8/3/2015 11:46 am : link
Osi played 9.
RE: RE: peoples conveniently forget  
UConn4523 : 8/3/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12399985 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12399980 UConn4523 said:


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that he's likely the best run stuffing DE in the NFL which apparently doesn't matter at all to some people. He absolutely needs to work on his pass rush, but the other half of his game he was flat out dominant in.



perhaps he WAS the best run stuffing DE in the league, but no longer ... don't care who you speak to, or interview, those digits are vital, his hand is a mess, will be for a long long time ... will never have the grappling, inside leverage, pulling, holding strength again


Amazing analysis. Not sure why I bothered even posting that. After reading your post JPP is probably better off just quitting football I guess...
Question  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2015 11:53 am : link
How does accidentally hurting yourself translate to being selfish? The only way you can connect those thoughts is through a high level of hot-takery fingerpointing.

I don't think he wanted to have to have a digit amputated and live with a hand-cast.

RE: Question  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12399998 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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How does accidentally hurting yourself translate to being selfish? The only way you can connect those thoughts is through a high level of hot-takery fingerpointing.

I don't think he wanted to have to have a digit amputated and live with a hand-cast.


no rational person would blame the accident on JPP ... what my biggest beef is how he has handled his business since with regard to the org. ... business decisions or not, you had a life altering/traumatic event occur, where is the humanity ? your employer (be it out of contract) is reaching out to you for your well being, and you ignore and turn people away ... you fail to respond to your head coach asking for your well-being ...

poor choices ...
wait - you are saying that the guy who had the life altering tragic  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 11:58 am : link
event should be worried about the feelings of his head coach?

Roid, you've commented enough.  
Randy in CT : 8/3/2015 11:59 am : link
I think we get it.

The fact of the matter is that we truly don't know exactly what happened and why and how either side feels about a variety of things. So instead of these silly declarations, perhaps we can just wait and see? We can certainly discuss it but some are coming to presumptuous conclusions.
RE: wait - you are saying that the guy who had the life altering tragic  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12400012 ron mexico said:
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event should be worried about the feelings of his head coach?


he responded to certain players/friends the day after ... he chose not to respond to coach ... still hasnt
And I'm willing to bet if Tom texts him today  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 12:00 pm : link
he will get a (generic) reply.
RE: And I'm willing to bet if Tom texts him today  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12400018 ron mexico said:
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he will get a (generic) reply.


you don't treat a guy like Tom that way ...
Hem Roid let me ask you a question  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2015 12:08 pm : link
who are the people you are talking to if you get seriously injured?

I am pretty sure my employer is not really on my mind if i get seriously injured and if my employer does text me i am probably letting someone else talk to them because at that moment i am in no mood to talk to people...


If you lose a finger the first person you are texting is your employer? no you are talking to friends and family and worrying about your own well being...
RE: Hem Roid let me ask you a question  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12400032 nygiants16 said:
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who are the people you are talking to if you get seriously injured?

I am pretty sure my employer is not really on my mind if i get seriously injured and if my employer does text me i am probably letting someone else talk to them because at that moment i am in no mood to talk to people...

we are talking about a professional athlete, on the cusp of negotiating/receiving the contract of a lifetime for himself ... injury/accident or not, if your #1 priority is $$, you bet you butt I am thinking about my employer ...


If you lose a finger the first person you are texting is your employer? no you are talking to friends and family and worrying about your own well being...
It's also quite possible  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 12:11 pm : link
That JPP had no idea the text was from Tom

Unless he had him as a contact in his phone, which to me seems unlikely, he get a message from some generic New York area number with a generic message along the lines of "how can I help you"

Would you respond to that?
we are ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:11 pm : link
talking about a professional athlete, on the cusp of negotiating/receiving the contract of a lifetime for himself ... injury/accident or not, if your #1 priority is $$, you bet you butt I am thinking about my employer ...
RE: It's also quite possible  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12400041 ron mexico said:
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That JPP had no idea the text was from Tom

Unless he had him as a contact in his phone, which to me seems unlikely, he get a message from some generic New York area number with a generic message along the lines of "how can I help you"

Would you respond to that?


please, these scenarios are absurd ... the fact of the matter is he didn't respond, and still hasn't reached out to coach ...
RE: RE: Hem Roid let me ask you a question  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12400040 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12400032 nygiants16 said:






Maybe his first priority is not money? ever think of that...maybe his first priority was getting better and healing and being with his child and wife/gf

So your saying if you were in that situation rather than being surrounded by friends and family and those you are close with, you would rather be with the team?
RE: And I'm willing to bet if Tom texts him today  
Enoch : 8/3/2015 12:14 pm : link
In comment 12400018 ron mexico said:
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he will get a (generic) reply.


Coughlin responding. - ( New Window )
HTe fact that your first thought  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2015 12:14 pm : link
is about money rather than getting better and being with your family tells me all i need to know about you...

RE: RE: RE: Hem Roid let me ask you a question  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12400046 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12400040 Hem Roid said:


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In comment 12400032 nygiants16 said:








Maybe his first priority is not money? ever think of that...maybe his first priority was getting better and healing and being with his child and wife/gf

So your saying if you were in that situation rather than being surrounded by friends and family and those you are close with, you would rather be with the team?


no ... but if my coach reached out to me, and the organization that has taken care of me since day 1 till the present did, id show the decency and respond ... "Hey coach, all is good, need some time, family is ok, ill get back to you soon" ...
RE: HTe fact that your first thought  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12400052 nygiants16 said:
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is about money rather than getting better and being with your family tells me all i need to know about you...


we are not talking about me here, we are talking about JPP ... isn't all this posturing and mystery about just that, the money ?
Either way  
ron mexico : 8/3/2015 12:17 pm : link
Making an uninformed business decision based on texting ettuquite is moronic
How do you know he even had his phone?  
nygiants16 : 8/3/2015 12:17 pm : link
he wa sin intensive care for a week..maybe he didnt even have his phone on him..ever think of that?

for all we know he told his agent to text or call the Giants and tell them what happened and said he would call them when he coould...
Well, that's nice of JPP to finally talk to them.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/3/2015 12:18 pm : link
*eyeroll*
Football is a business.  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/3/2015 12:34 pm : link
The Maras are brilliant, brilliant business men. The organization has parted ways with much more likable players because they deemed it to be best for the business. See Ahmad Bradshaw.

So with that in mind, as much as the musings of Internet troll Hem Roid can be entertaining, I think we should all keep in mind that this is likely a stupid person.

If the Maras think that at this point parting ways with JPP is the right decision they would have done so by now. They haven't. And mind you, they are not only obviously aware that JPP is being difficult to deal with, but they are the ones who would have a potentially visceral/emotional reaction seeing as they're the ones being disrespected.

Thankfully, they are being level-headed and waiting for the entire situation to play out and for information to come in before making a decision. I trust that JPP not being removed from the picture by now is in the best interest of the New York Giants... I may have my opinions on whether or not it will ultimately work out, but my personal, human desire for closure is far less important than the team making an informed decision.
Jpp and the run  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/3/2015 1:07 pm : link
This insane BBI myth that JPP is an above average run defender (above someone called him the BEST run defender in the NFL) is going to make my head explode one day.

He was ABUSED last year and was run right at over and over and over all year. Teams schemed to run right past him and they did it with overwhelming success. If you watched the games and keyed on it - it was glaringly obvious. Now full disclosure, maybe some of that was scheme, and that his job was to occupy the tackle and have the LB converge to the play but if that is the case Fewell wasn't competent to coach a pop warner team.

Add in the fact that running a read option at the man made his head spin like he was doing complicated calculus.

Bottom line, he's not that good, I'm sorry he just isn't. As Giants fans many of us have revisionist history and always support our own but try to look at his play, his attitude, and his actions objectively. Before he blew up his hand I would have given him 9-10 million a year, as a slightly above average DE with top natural ability with the hope that he matured and lived up to that contract.

Now? He can't strength train his upper body for months, and he lost a season in what is supposedly in his "prime".

Best case scenario for him is that he becomes the JPP of 2014. Worst case scenario is he never plays again. The minute that blockbuster exploded he became a best case 8 Sacks, poor/mediocre run stuffer type of player.

Sounds a lot like a Robert Ayers than a JJ Watt to me, and he will forever be treated and paid accordingly.

Blast me all you want but big picture wise and in the back of your heads I'd bet more agree with me than not, despite what the BBI herd mentality says.

Lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/3/2015 1:15 pm : link
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This insane BBI myth that JPP is an above average run defender (above someone called him the BEST run defender in the NFL) is going to make my head explode one day.


I'm all for exposing BBI myths, but this isn't one of them. He's a very good run defender.
RE: How do you know he even had his phone?  
BlackLight : 8/3/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12400060 nygiants16 said:
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he wa sin intensive care for a week..maybe he didnt even have his phone on him..ever think of that?

for all we know he told his agent to text or call the Giants and tell them what happened and said he would call them when he coould...


I couldn't care less about the texting issue, but the fact is, JPP did text a couple of people back from the team who asked about him, which suggests he could've texted back Coughlin at some point, or had someone else do it. He didn't.
RE: Lol  
Victor in CT : 8/3/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12400143 Mike in Long Beach said:
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This insane BBI myth that JPP is an above average run defender (above someone called him the BEST run defender in the NFL) is going to make my head explode one day.




I'm all for exposing BBI myths, but this isn't one of them. He's a very good run defender.


Yep. I personally think he is a better run defender than pass rusher. It is why I think he should be an LDE (before the injury that is).
jesus ...  
Hem Roid : 8/3/2015 1:21 pm : link
I've all but forgotten about that QB-Read Option from last year ... thanks for the reminder ...
So many absolutes being thrown around ITT.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
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Limerick guy really isn't incorrect  
JonC : 8/3/2015 1:32 pm : link
JPP was frequently run at the past 2-3 seasons, he was frequently misreading plays (and not just the read option), losing contain and failing to set the edge, which is a big no no especially when your OLBs are poor.

When JPP's playing well, he plays the run well whether it's directly at him or if he's pursuing from the backside which he does very well. This further fuels the question of consistency and buying into a team concept.

There's truth on both sides of this coin. I do expect, if healthy, his overall play should improve under a DC who has demonstrated skill in managing players to their strengths, teaching, and holding them accountable (all of which PF wasn't good at).

RE: Jpp and the run  
UConn4523 : 8/3/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12400137 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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This insane BBI myth that JPP is an above average run defender (above someone called him the BEST run defender in the NFL) is going to make my head explode one day.

He was ABUSED last year and was run right at over and over and over all year. Teams schemed to run right past him and they did it with overwhelming success. If you watched the games and keyed on it - it was glaringly obvious. Now full disclosure, maybe some of that was scheme, and that his job was to occupy the tackle and have the LB converge to the play but if that is the case Fewell wasn't competent to coach a pop warner team.

Add in the fact that running a read option at the man made his head spin like he was doing complicated calculus.

Bottom line, he's not that good, I'm sorry he just isn't. As Giants fans many of us have revisionist history and always support our own but try to look at his play, his attitude, and his actions objectively. Before he blew up his hand I would have given him 9-10 million a year, as a slightly above average DE with top natural ability with the hope that he matured and lived up to that contract.

Now? He can't strength train his upper body for months, and he lost a season in what is supposedly in his "prime".

Best case scenario for him is that he becomes the JPP of 2014. Worst case scenario is he never plays again. The minute that blockbuster exploded he became a best case 8 Sacks, poor/mediocre run stuffer type of player.

Sounds a lot like a Robert Ayers than a JJ Watt to me, and he will forever be treated and paid accordingly.

Blast me all you want but big picture wise and in the back of your heads I'd bet more agree with me than not, despite what the BBI herd mentality says.


This thread is teaching me so much today. JPP just never was that good and man was I stupid about him being a top tier run defender.
JPP must be coming off some of those pain pills  
Mason : 8/3/2015 1:36 pm : link
and finally realizing he is at serious risk to lose most of that 14.8 million and probably not get a real opportunity to earn that much in his life again. Time to play nice I guess.
Thank You JonC  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/3/2015 1:54 pm : link
As in most cases the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I know that you know your shit and I very much respect your opinion. It's nice to see at least one person who isn't looking at his play solely through blue colored glasses.

Now that I think of it, a healthy JPP in a Spags d which probably would just let him play instinctively and think less could be a really good JPP.

My point is that now the ship has sailed, we'll never know.

Unless he gives the Giants an amazing hometown discount in 2016 (I'm talking like 3 million per year over 3 years or something) he's not a Giants in 2016 (and personally I believe he never puts on a Giants uniform again). Nothing in his actions has shown me any type of loyalty to the team. I understand his position- f loyalty he wants $$$ and in one sense I don't blame him but I have a feeling another team (one who doesn't know the full player AND person) will be willing to compensate him much more than a scorned Giants will.
JonC, please do not feed the trolls  
David in LA : 8/3/2015 2:10 pm : link
Let Limerick Guy, Lithium, Hem Roid have their circle jerk.
David  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/3/2015 2:24 pm : link
That is very weird of you to say.

JonC is probably one of the top 3-4 most respected posters on all of BBI.

Don't lump me in with trolls because of my opinion. I'm not posting to get a rise out of anyone I truly do believe what I say. I'm not trolling anyone or about anything.

Having a different perspective from the pack doesn't make me a troll, I just focused a lot on JPP when re-watching the games and am reporting my opinion and what I see.

Apparently it's not my opinion alone.

Tough to swallow I know but sometimes reality sucks.
RE: I'm not a troll at all....  
SGMen : 8/3/2015 4:30 pm : link
In comment 12399940 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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and I don't disagree with one thing that Hem Roid has said.

He's 100 percent right. JPP is a selfish baby. He had that rep before he went A-Team on his hand, and now based on factual information we have received it isn't even a question.

The Giant's don't operate like other franchises. They value loyalty, respect and commitment to team above everything else. News flash- that has won us 4 super bowls, and 2 in the last decade.

The Madden Generation doesn't really get that. A team with 53 selfish me first guys would finish in last place every year.
Agreed. The "energy" that comes from a selfish person can take away from the positive energy of five guys. Cancer spreads like wildfire. I understand the Giants patience with Reese since the cap money is there; no one is out there we can sign with it; and we'd like to see if he can in fact play this year and beyond.

However, if it were me and I knew the status of his had on final cutdown day (or didn't know it....) I'd release him and move on. No distractions. Be gone. By then you know what you have and it is what it is.

No way you pay a 9 fingered, no camp guy $15 million especially when there is no guarantee he sticks around after the season or even plays well this season!!!
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