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NFT: Drinking habits - thinking maybe of taking a month off

mattlawson : 8/3/2015 11:27 am
A friend of mine recently did this and it seems like it's a good idea - taking a break from drinking.

I don't know if I consider myself an alcoholic, but lately I've been feeling like I'm overdoing it. And this summer has flown by - bottoms up the whole time.

I drink good beer, good liquor and good wine, and usually at the end of the night glass of wine with dinner and then a nightcap is about what I do

Too much. Too often. I've been working out, playing basketball and I feel like I'm in ok shape but mentally I feel like I'm starting to let it get out of hand.

I don't want to give it up completely, but I do feel like I need to regain some control and perspective in my life. Took Friday off and Sunday - I might just take it one day at a time for the rest of the month. Anyone else ever do this? is this the writing on the wall?
I did this for 1 month too  
Jim Burt64 : 8/3/2015 11:29 am : link
lost some weight & felt great...
Is this cry for help?  
Ryan : 8/3/2015 11:30 am : link
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It couldn't hurt  
Moondawg : 8/3/2015 11:30 am : link
and it would be a good chance to test your own self-control and strength in this regard. Good luck!
One would think  
Rob in CT/NYC : 8/3/2015 11:31 am : link
it could only help clear up your thinking on certain topics...

:)

Doesn't sound like you have an issue, but no harm in "detoxing" for a bit, if only to prove to yourself that you can do it. Best of luck.
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arcarsenal : 8/3/2015 11:32 am : link
Funny you posted this.. today actually is exactly a month since I've had a drink. Day before the 4th of July was the last time.

I only really went out for drinks once a week as it was but I decided I was going to have a dry summer. Always feels good to detox and re-set.

Hasn't been a challenge for me at all. I'm enjoying it.
I think that if you have to ask  
Bill L : 8/3/2015 11:33 am : link
then you've already answered.
If Only I Had Decided To Stop Drinking The Day Before...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/3/2015 11:36 am : link
The 4th of July.

-JPP
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BrettNYG10 : 8/3/2015 11:37 am : link
if you're worried that you're drinking too much  
mfsd : 8/3/2015 11:38 am : link
taking some time off is a good idea. And then, be honest about how you do...if you find yourself craving a drink, or sneaking a drink here and there, it's the sign of a problem

Don't obsess about whether you need to define yourself as an alcoholic...there are many varieties of drinkers, some are problem drinkers, some are genuine alcoholics, some are neither.

Only you can honestly admit to how you feel. Try taking a break, and/or try some controlled drinking, and see how you feel.
I would wind down instead of cold turkey. eliminate the nightcap  
gtt350 : 8/3/2015 11:41 am : link
have a dry day. If you can do that you should be fine, if that's a problem then you know you have one
Only real concern is timing - make sure you pick the right week  
Mad Mike : 8/3/2015 11:45 am : link

You know I enjoy a drink every once in awhile  
Stu11 : 8/3/2015 11:50 am : link
especially a good tailgate. Not even once a week. However there are a ton of adults in my townhouse community that literally from Memorial Day till Labor Day always have a drink in their hand especially around the pool. I'm talking we are all adults with young to middle school aged children. It's crazy to me. I belonged to a fraternity in college and drank plenty back then and a decent amount in my 20's (I'm 47). I just don't get it. At some point it just didn't seem important any more. Maybe its also a bit of a culture thing. I'm Jewish and we just don't drink much if at all at family get togethers, Jewish holidays, thanksgiving etc...It seemed like that was the norm for the families we associated with as well growing up. Not generalizing though because every family is different no matter what culture you are in and maybe that's just the community I grew up with.
couldn't hurt  
TJ : 8/3/2015 11:54 am : link
might save yourself some serious cash too
RE: I think that if you have to ask  
buford : 8/3/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12399963 Bill L said:
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then you've already answered.


This. I was a once a week wine drinker. Then it was Friday/Sat/Sun, then every night. One glass, but it got to the point that I could not wait to get home to have it. I had to stop.
RE: You know I enjoy a drink every once in awhile  
BlueLou : 8/3/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12399993 Stu11 said:
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especially a good tailgate. Not even once a week. However there are a ton of adults in my townhouse community that literally from Memorial Day till Labor Day always have a drink in their hand especially around the pool. I'm talking we are all adults with young to middle school aged children. It's crazy to me. I belonged to a fraternity in college and drank plenty back then and a decent amount in my 20's (I'm 47). I just don't get it. At some point it just didn't seem important any more. Maybe its also a bit of a culture thing. I'm Jewish and we just don't drink much if at all at family get togethers, Jewish holidays, thanksgiving etc...It seemed like that was the norm for the families we associated with as well growing up. Not generalizing though because every family is different no matter what culture you are in and maybe that's just the community I grew up with.


No four cups full for Passover? No glass for Kiddush Friday nights? What kind of darn Jew are you? How the heck do I make a living with Jews like youse?

;-)
how are you going  
pjcas18 : 8/3/2015 11:58 am : link
to cope with shit, if not by self-medicating? I usually drink a 12-pack a day (between 5 and 10) or most of a bottle of grey goose. unless it's a scotch day. if I'm traveling for work it's more than that.

You're in for a long month.

I'd re-think this, give up showering or brushing your teeth, maybe carbs if you need something really stressful. but no, not alcohol.

RE: RE: I think that if you have to ask  
Randy in CT : 8/3/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12400004 buford said:
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then you've already answered.



This. I was a once a week wine drinker. Then it was Friday/Sat/Sun, then every night. One glass, but it got to the point that I could not wait to get home to have it. I had to stop.
You'd find a number of doctors who'd suggest you drink more.

Not advocating it, however your one glass of wine that you could control did nothing harmful to you.
I tried a funky diet last year where you  
BeerFridge : 8/3/2015 12:03 pm : link
eliminate a bunch of stuff and then bring it back one at a time. One of the things you eliminate was booze. I don't think it had a major effect, but I do think part of the increased energy levels I had and better sleep were due to not having any alcohol.

That said, you can probably tell from my handle that I like beer/booze. Moderation is the key.
I gave it up one morning  
Giants2012 : 8/3/2015 12:08 pm : link
and felt great for one afternoon.
Commit  
NJGiantFan84 : 8/3/2015 12:12 pm : link
to doing a certain amount of time, 2 weeks minimum. If you cannot go that long without it, there might be an issue you need to address. These things don't tend to get better, they get worse.

Also, when you return, try to set limits (and reasonable ones.) Say you will only have 3 drinks when you go out, regardless of how long you are there. Again, if you can do this consistantly, you are probably fine.

Saying you will have 7 or 8 drinks and following through defeats the purpose.

However, drinking problems come in many forms. If you are hungover too often, if it's creating problems in your personal life etc. then it doesn't matter how much or how often, it's an issue.

People who don't have drinking problems don't usually wonder whether they have drinking problems. However, people with drinking problems don't joke about having a drinking problem or think it's "cool." I hear people who drink say they are alcoholics like it's a badge of honor. They usually aren't more than weekend drinkers.

Definitely make committments, though. "One day at a time" works for people in recovery, but not for testing whether or not you have an issue. You really need to commit and see if you can follow through.

I don't even remember when the last time I had a drink.  
Wuphat : 8/3/2015 12:15 pm : link
No particular reason, just that I don't typically make it a daily habit.
RE: RE: RE: I think that if you have to ask  
buford : 8/3/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12400020 Randy in CT said:
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then you've already answered.



This. I was a once a week wine drinker. Then it was Friday/Sat/Sun, then every night. One glass, but it got to the point that I could not wait to get home to have it. I had to stop.

You'd find a number of doctors who'd suggest you drink more.

Not advocating it, however your one glass of wine that you could control did nothing harmful to you.


That was my rationale, but that's not why I was drinking it.
buford  
NJGiantFan84 : 8/3/2015 12:30 pm : link
is right. The amount isn't always important. Some cocaine addicts, for example, may only use a couple times a week. But they think about it ALL the time. Time is spent plotting and setting it up. Then they use.

Same can go with drinking. If you are thinking about the feeling you get from drinking all the time, even though you are not drinking that much or that often, it's an issue.

Same can go with food or sex addictions.
It's good to take a break every  
phil in arizona : 8/3/2015 1:05 pm : link
once and a while.

Maybe when you start up again, eliminate the drinking alone (the nightcaps, the wine/beer with every dinner, etc) and only drink socially.

I do 2 months every year  
capone : 8/3/2015 1:11 pm : link
I love wine and beer - but twice a year I take a month off. What was shocking to me is that I sleep much, much better and after a few days I don't miss it - then a big game orparty comes around and the 12 OZ curl begins
RE: RE: I think that if you have to ask  
dorgan : 8/3/2015 1:20 pm : link
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I had to stop.



I'll bet your husband still drinks.
RE: RE: RE: I think that if you have to ask  
arcarsenal : 8/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
In comment 12400150 dorgan said:
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I had to stop.




I'll bet your husband still drinks.


dorgan  
manh george : 8/3/2015 1:28 pm : link
If not, one could certainly make a case that he start.
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Deej : 8/3/2015 1:29 pm : link
My party drinking ways started in high school and ended in law school. I like drinking but I've never particularly liked the taste of most alcohol. Now I routinely go weeks without having a drink.

Like Stu, I've always attributed it to the Jewishness. My parents didnt (and dont) drink much. If we go out to dinner, everyone will have 0-1 drinks. I was recently helping them pack up stuff so they could paint, and most of their liquor cabinet was unchanged since I was born other than cooking alcohols (found a 50+ year old bottle of Canadian Club, still sealed closed).
I've done it before  
mattlawson : 8/3/2015 1:31 pm : link
To lose weight and cleanse, it's never been a problem before. Addiction does run in my family as does depression and anxiety.

To be honest with you I don't drink until I pass out - that's not really my style. I relax, I'm more enjoyable to be around maybe - I don't slur or anything.

And while I had a great summer - had I had a beer or scotch in my hand for most of it, really enjoyed it, I'm finding that instead of doing say freelance work and meeting challenges I'm hanging out and having some drinks, staying on BBI and not going to bed at a reasonable hour, not feeling rested- and conditioning the spiral the next day.

Friday I was so fucking exhausted I went to bed at 7 for the first time since I had the flu. I feel like I really owe it to myself to bring it down a notch and focus on the important things in life. My beautiful family and young kids, get my work done spin can enjoy them fully. Work out, be healthy -- and then yes from time to have a drink to enhance the mood.
I enjoy my wine with dinner too much. And my  
Victor in CT : 8/3/2015 1:32 pm : link
Scotch or Martini on occasion before dinner (Scotch for the cooler months)
I have a brew each night at dinner.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/3/2015 1:36 pm : link
I usually go out twice a week. No problems here, as long as it doesn't control your life. It never has for me.
RE: Commit  
mattlawson : 8/3/2015 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12400043 NJGiantFan84 said:
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to doing a certain amount of time, 2 weeks minimum. If you cannot go that long without it, there might be an issue you need to address. These things don't tend to get better, they get worse.

Also, when you return, try to set limits (and reasonable ones.) Say you will only have 3 drinks when you go out, regardless of how long you are there. Again, if you can do this consistantly, you are probably fine.

Saying you will have 7 or 8 drinks and following through defeats the purpose.

However, drinking problems come in many forms. If you are hungover too often, if it's creating problems in your personal life etc. then it doesn't matter how much or how often, it's an issue.

People who don't have drinking problems don't usually wonder whether they have drinking problems. However, people with drinking problems don't joke about having a drinking problem or think it's "cool." I hear people who drink say they are alcoholics like it's a badge of honor. They usually aren't more than weekend drinkers.

Definitely make committments, though. "One day at a time" works for people in recovery, but not for testing whether or not you have an issue. You really need to commit and see if you can follow through.



Thanks man
I drink to make the voices in my head stop  
Scyber : 8/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
Lesser of two evils I guess.
RE: how are you going  
Lithium : 8/3/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12400011 pjcas18 said:
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to cope with shit, if not by self-medicating? I usually drink a 12-pack a day (between 5 and 10) or most of a bottle of grey goose. unless it's a scotch day. if I'm traveling for work it's more than that.

You're in for a long month.

I'd re-think this, give up showering or brushing your teeth, maybe carbs if you need something really stressful. but no, not alcohol.


Seriously?
I've done this before  
RB^2 : 8/3/2015 2:00 pm : link
and felt great. I would recommend it.

I didn't find it difficult at all and drinking was heavily integrated into my lifestyle. I suggest you try it. If this is difficult for you (not saying it will), you may want to look into it.
I've cut out the booze for a few months at a time...  
Dunedin81 : 8/3/2015 2:12 pm : link
usually to cut wait or jumpstart fitness. I tend not to miss it all that much. It's usually part of a wider dieting program so it is difficult to isolate it but it certainly helped with weight.
NJ hits it right on the head  
jjgmrg901 : 8/3/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12400043 NJGiantFan84 said:
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to doing a certain amount of time, 2 weeks minimum. If you cannot go that long without it, there might be an issue you need to address. These things don't tend to get better, they get worse.

Also, when you return, try to set limits (and reasonable ones.) Say you will only have 3 drinks when you go out, regardless of how long you are there. Again, if you can do this consistantly, you are probably fine.

Saying you will have 7 or 8 drinks and following through defeats the purpose.

However, drinking problems come in many forms. If you are hungover too often, if it's creating problems in your personal life etc. then it doesn't matter how much or how often, it's an issue.

People who don't have drinking problems don't usually wonder whether they have drinking problems. However, people with drinking problems don't joke about having a drinking problem or think it's "cool." I hear people who drink say they are alcoholics like it's a badge of honor. They usually aren't more than weekend drinkers.

Definitely make committments, though. "One day at a time" works for people in recovery, but not for testing whether or not you have an issue. You really need to commit and see if you can follow through.


People who don't have drinking problems, don't ask if they have one. Most regular people don't count drinks.

I can't say if you have a problem or not. Only you can make that decision.

Good luck on whatever you chose to do. There are lots of help out there if you determine you have a problem or if you want to investigate if you do.

Be proud that you are considering this.
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26.2 : 8/3/2015 2:35 pm : link
if you think you are drinking too much then stopping or cutting back is a good idea.

I like to drink, but I try for the most part to not have any/maybe one drink on the week days. do the weekends depending on whats going on. almost anything I do socially usually involves drinking.

do what you got to do. good luck to you.
I always considered myself lucky...  
manh george : 8/3/2015 3:21 pm : link
in that I metabolize alcohol so poorly. Way back in my 20s, I really believed that there was a period where with some depression, adult ADHD-related anxiety and isolation, I could have ended up a habitual drinker--except that my response to alcohol have always been the same: One drink makes me feel relaxed. Two drinks makes me feel sleepy and somewhat somber. Three or more drinks just gives me a headache and ruins my sleep. No fun in it.

So for decades, I have limited myself to a 2 drink maximum, and that mainly wine at business or social dinners.

Other than that, it's one 2 1/2 ounce single malt or high-end scotch blend every night, and fairly infrequently 4 ounces of wine with dinner. Infrequent exception: Giant games at my house.
I'm now 4 weeks without a drink.  
LAGiant : 8/3/2015 3:37 pm : link
This is the first time since my teens, now 46, that I've gone this long without a drink. I would consider myself a fairly "heavy" drinker. I travel and entertain for a living so booze is always part of work and I also love my cocktails and beer on the weekend.

I had a checkup last month and my DR. told me that my cholesterol was too high and I had a slightly elevated liver enzyme. By her orders, no drinking for 6 weeks. Last drink was Independence Day. I've also drastically changed my diet to minimize fat as much as possible.

I can't say that I feel any different as I didn't feel bad to begin with. The only time I really wanted to drink but couldn't has been in social occasions where I'd normally drink. Last week's Rush concert was a perfect example. I still really enjoyed the show but it was different not having a good beer buzz.
RE: I'm now 4 weeks without a drink.  
pjcas18 : 8/3/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12400389 LAGiant said:
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This is the first time since my teens, now 46, that I've gone this long without a drink. I would consider myself a fairly "heavy" drinker. I travel and entertain for a living so booze is always part of work and I also love my cocktails and beer on the weekend.

I had a checkup last month and my DR. told me that my cholesterol was too high and I had a slightly elevated liver enzyme. By her orders, no drinking for 6 weeks. Last drink was Independence Day. I've also drastically changed my diet to minimize fat as much as possible.

I can't say that I feel any different as I didn't feel bad to begin with. The only time I really wanted to drink but couldn't has been in social occasions where I'd normally drink. Last week's Rush concert was a perfect example. I still really enjoyed the show but it was different not having a good beer buzz.


Have you tried pills or pot? there are alternatives to alcohol. don't let cholesterol ruin your fun.
RE: RE: I'm now 4 weeks without a drink.  
LAGiant : 8/3/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12400429 pjcas18 said:
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This is the first time since my teens, now 46, that I've gone this long without a drink. I would consider myself a fairly "heavy" drinker. I travel and entertain for a living so booze is always part of work and I also love my cocktails and beer on the weekend.

I had a checkup last month and my DR. told me that my cholesterol was too high and I had a slightly elevated liver enzyme. By her orders, no drinking for 6 weeks. Last drink was Independence Day. I've also drastically changed my diet to minimize fat as much as possible.

I can't say that I feel any different as I didn't feel bad to begin with. The only time I really wanted to drink but couldn't has been in social occasions where I'd normally drink. Last week's Rush concert was a perfect example. I still really enjoyed the show but it was different not having a good beer buzz.



Have you tried pills or pot? there are alternatives to alcohol. don't let cholesterol ruin your fun.


Pills have never been my friend as I just don't like the way I feel on them. I don't even take pain meds when prescribed by a doctor.

I used to love the MJ but unless I'm drinking, I don't like the feeling of being high. Now a good beer buzz and a J at show is a different story.
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arcarsenal : 8/3/2015 4:03 pm : link
LOL.. pj doing some work on this thread.
I still enjoy a drink frequently  
Greg from LI : 8/3/2015 4:16 pm : link
A few beers watching the game, a glass of wine with dinner, a cocktail now and then, but I haven't been drunk since St. Patrick's Day 2006, which was my last day on active duty. Went out to celebrate and got blackout drunk and, according to my wife, tried to start fights with multiple people at the bar. I was the definition of a bad drunk, so I stopped putting myself in the position of being unable to control my emotions. I was never anything close to an alcoholic, but life is much more pleasant when you don't have to apologize frequently for things you never would have done if you had been in control of yourself.
Wonder how many  
Big Al : 8/3/2015 4:36 pm : link
are like me and don't like the taste of alcohol. Can nurse one or two drinks over hours if I am forced to actually hang out with people where alcohol is available.
Quit drinking after my 25th birthday  
hocuspocus : 8/3/2015 5:30 pm : link
for about 15 years. Then, in my early 40s, I started up again. I quit again two years ago. I feel so much better, physically and mentally. Although I've been tempted a couple of times (mainly due to stress), I really have no desire to drink.
I took month of April off  
jamalduff123 : 8/3/2015 7:50 pm : link
I'm 41 and had never taken more than a few days off from drinking. I drink 3 or 4 beers a night during the week, often a lot more on the weekends.

I decided to take the month of April off. It was easier than I thought, just drank sparking water as a sub. I highly recommend it just to give your body and mind a break. I'm back to drinking regularly, but I think I will make it a habit to take some weeks and months off a couple times a year now that I know I can do it.

Just take a month off, you'll be glad you did.
RE: Wonder how many  
Moondawg : 8/3/2015 10:08 pm : link
In comment 12400534 Big Al said:
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are like me and don't like the taste of alcohol. Can nurse one or two drinks over hours if I am forced to actually hang out with people where alcohol is available.


I don't hate it but I'm not drawn to it, either. I'm also enough of an a-hole when sober that I don't need to loosen up by drinking.
I get liquored the fuck up.  
Davisian : 8/4/2015 1:52 am : link
And threads like this remind me why...

Are you an alcoholic?  
ij_reilly : 8/4/2015 6:06 am : link
It's pretty simple:

"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic."

So, how to self test? This has already been addressed in the thread.

1. Try some controlled drinking. Make a decision that you are going to have a set number of drinks. Are you able to easily stop at the drink limit you set? Or, once started, is the outcome unpredictable? If you find you always get drunk after taking a single drink, that is quite telling.

2. Make a commitment to go an extended length of time without drinking. Make a commitment for a length of time that you honestly believe you can achieve. Were you able to keep to that commitment? Or did you take one or more drinks during that time? Bear in mind that absolutely no "excuse" is permissible. It's pass or fail on this test. Either you did it, or you didn't. If you met the commitment, but were miserable during that time, that's something worth pondering too.

Most of all, again has already been mentioned, take it easy on yourself. Don't get yourself tied up in knots over whether or not the "alcoholic" label applies. Besides, there are a whole lot things worse in life than being alcoholic. It's treatable. Some things are not.

I figure we all only have this one very short life to live. What's the point of fucking it up over something that used to be pleasurable but is now problematic?

I quit drinking over 4 years ago.  
Rick in Annapolis : 8/4/2015 6:41 am : link
Before that I tried taking "time off" quite often. I was rarely successful and even if I was, when I returned to drinking my habits were the same or worse. When I finally quit there wasn't any question that continuous abstinence was necessary ......but it took me 7 or 8 years to come to that conclusion.

If your drinking habits bother you, and your post indicates it does, then stop. As others have suggested....take a month off. If you find yourself working hard not to have a drink it may be indicative of a problem, but only you can make that determination.

There are quite a few BBIers who gave up alcohol. Most of us would be happy to share our experience with you.

I was actually thinking this morning about taking time off  
Wellington : 8/4/2015 9:12 am : link
I took the month of January off, it was torture as it was during the NFL playoffs but I felt much better.

I have been going through some tough times and have been using alcohol as a crutch lately. I want to move away from that. Plus, I have been noticing that if I budget say $500 bi-weekly for everything aside from essential bills, that $500 goes straight into going out and boozing and eating bad food.

I feel like I can't stop at just one or two. Unfortunately I have a birthday party for a close friend this weekend - I think what I will do is go with vodka + club soda and ask the bartender to alternate me with the alcohol and one where it's just club soda but in a similar glass. When I have quit drinking before I did just straight club soda but they would give me the drink in a pint glass or something that isn't the normal mixed drink glass so my friends would call me out on it. This was about 5 years ago and to this day I still get shit about it. Come to think of it maybe I am with the wrong crowd haha
Hey...  
RC02XX : 8/4/2015 11:28 am : link
as long as you walk 10000 steps each day, I'm sure you can drink as much as you want.
here are some other factors to look for  
idiotsavant : 8/4/2015 1:07 pm : link
- Do you ever get behind the wheel after or during drinking?

- Do you do this often?

- Are all your friends also drinkers? Or your associates?

- Are bars and or nightclubs an important venue for you?

- Do you or they use drugs? Either illegal or off use prescription?

- Do you have hangovers frequently?

- Have you thought about stopping drinking but not followed through?

It can be a really, really shitty lifestyle for many people, others, a glass of wine after dinner, no biggie.



my two cents  
haper : 8/4/2015 3:01 pm : link
My doctor recommends no more than 10 drinks a week and not to exceed 3 drinks a day to protect the liver. In the doctor's words, if you have to have 10 drinks per week its much better if you have one or two drinks a day than 10 drinks on Saturday and Sunday. But again, that's one doctor's opinion and when i bring that up to my friends that drink they say my doctor is crazy (pretty good indication those friends might have a problem, imo).

With all this said, I try to only drink socially and that almost always means I'm driving; so that limits me to 3 drinks (I'm scared shitless of driving drunk). it took a little effort, but once I got into a routine its been working well for me.
there are two areas for exploration  
idiotsavant : 8/4/2015 3:19 pm : link
one are the nightmare scenarios, broken families, car crashes, health problems, lost careers, mental damage

often people forget that the upside of quitting need not be justified by the absence of those things if it brings a deeper, more fulfilling life for a person and their cohorts, that will be worth it on its own.
RE: RE: You know I enjoy a drink every once in awhile  
Stu11 : 8/4/2015 6:46 pm : link
In comment 12400005 BlueLou said:
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No four cups full for Passover? No glass for Kiddush Friday nights? What kind of darn Jew are you? How the heck do I make a living with Jews like youse?

;-)


Don't worry we have that kiddush cup every Friday and on the holidays! Your not going to make a great living off us the :-) Stu what's your label again? I'll pick a bottle up the next time im shopping for one
Stu - The Pasco Project #2 2013 and Liquidity 2012  
BlueLou : 8/5/2015 7:14 am : link
both produced by the Lewis Pasco winery, Israel. You can prolly find store locations, and certainly on-line sales locations, by googling for it or by contacting my US importer: Allied Importers USA Ltd.

Kosher for Passover...
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