Holding Giants hostage til he can start earning his percentage of the 14.8M franchise tag when he passes the physical to be eligible to sign the tender...
ESPN's Ed Werder reports unsigned Giants franchise player Jason Pierre-Paul (fingers) won't report to training camp until he can pass his physical.
Pierre-Paul finally talked to GM Jerry Reese on Sunday, but he's avoiding all Giants activities — including signing his one-year tender — until he can be medically cleared. It's a bizarre strategy, but one the G-Men may be more at peace with following Sunday's meeting. It's completely unknown when JPP might finally be ready. |
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So if he signs week 2 the franchise tag is prorated and he wont get full 14 million...
Why would he report if he can not pass a physical and then get put on NFI and not make any money?
So if he signs week 2 the franchise tag is prorated and he wont get full 14 million...
Why would he report if he can not pass a physical and then get put on NFI and not make any money?
Giants without knowing the progress of the surgery since he will be avoiding the physical cant make decisions blindly to proceed on how to allocate the 14.8M franchise tender hold sitting on their payroll.
Keeping 14m idle against the cap, able to roll forward to next year. And JPP isn't getting paid anything either and they maintain rights to him.
(personal opinion, this isn't going to end well but that doesn't mean the Giants are playing this the right way based on the above)
And if he never signs it, because of that, don't the Giants hold his rights at the same franchise tender for 2016?
Keeping 14m idle against the cap, able to roll forward to next year. And JPP isn't getting paid anything either and they maintain rights to him.
(personal opinion, this isn't going to end well but that doesn't mean the Giants are playing this the right way based on the above)
In regard to the rollover...is there a particular deadline date for that to hold true to carryforward for next year?
And if he never signs it, because of that, don't the Giants hold his rights at the same franchise tender for 2016?
I think he avoids getting put on a list that would disqualify him for 6 or 10 weeks w/o pay. So if he's ready week 3, sign then and then he makes 3 more paychecks.
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What advantage does this give JPP? Absolutely nothing, from what I can see.
And if he never signs it, because of that, don't the Giants hold his rights at the same franchise tender for 2016?
I think he avoids getting put on a list that would disqualify him for 6 or 10 weeks w/o pay. So if he's ready week 3, sign then and then he makes 3 more paychecks.
Bingo!
The Giants in turn will go all Soup Nazi on JPP's ass and tell him to take a hike.
IMO
It's all about the money.
I seem to remember some of this being mentioned back in July.
The hope being that the other doctor's opinion will influence the Giants' doctors. If the Giants NFI him then I would expect JPP to bring some sort of legal action.
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What advantage does this give JPP? Absolutely nothing, from what I can see.
And if he never signs it, because of that, don't the Giants hold his rights at the same franchise tender for 2016?
I think he avoids getting put on a list that would disqualify him for 6 or 10 weeks w/o pay. So if he's ready week 3, sign then and then he makes 3 more paychecks.
But does NFI have a minimum game requirement? I thought it was week to week. So if they put him on NFI and he can physically play week 3, they can take him off the list.
I think some of his refusal to meet is the feeling that the Giants screwed him by tagging him rather than allowing him to sign a long-term deal and that this process would have played out similarly if he had not had the injury. He quite possibly would have sat out as long as he could anyway.
At worst, Giants look at it and he still doesn't sign. I just think it's a poor business decision not to work with the Giants as much as possible. Unless, as many suspect, it is really bad and he's afraid they'll pull the tender.
But I don't villify him for his decisions. He's doing what he feels is in his best interest just like the Giants do what is in their best interest from a business standpoint.
My understanding is that the offer is out there and he can sign whenever. So they could not pull the tender in that scenario.
However, once he signs they can put him on the NFI list and he doesn't get paid if they do not agree that he is ready.
yes they can
For the thousandth time...
I know this is a different situation, but I remember when people had similar sentiments with Osi and Strahan during contract disputes. I suspect that if he gets out on the field and playing decently, we will all put this behind us as we do with most contract disputes.
If he never plays well again, Giants fans won't care what he did in 2011.
Sorry, my last response i interpreted "he's ready" as him signing the tender. Until he signs it, they can pull it any time as others have stated.
Once he signs it, they can NFI him if they don't think he is ready.
Even if he signs it they can pull it?
I may have bad info. then. Sorry, I will step aside on this one.
8. PHYSICAL CONDITION. Player represents to Club that he is and will maintain himself in excellent physical condition. Player will undergo a complete physical examination by the Club physician upon Club request, during which physical examination Player agrees to make full and complete disclosure of any physical or mental condition known to him which might impair his performance under this contract and to respond fully and in good faith when questioned by the Club physician about such condition. If Player fails to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition to the satisfaction of the Club physician, or make the required full and complete disclosure and good faith responses to the Club physician, then Club may terminate this contract.
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I know this is a different situation, but I remember when people had similar sentiments with Osi and Strahan during contract disputes. I suspect that if he gets out on the field and playing decently, we will all put this behind us as we do with most contract disputes.
If he never plays well again, Giants fans won't care what he did in 2011.
I'm not sure this situation is even comparable. You knew that whenever Osi and Strahan got their contracts done they would come in and perform as expected. We don't know what we're getting out of JPP.
Exactly. We see players cut all the time due to failing a physical, then resurface somewhere else.
Combination of the injury, lack of physical conditioning, and not knowing the new scheme.......all are going to dictate him going to NFI when he does sign.
This is not pickup touch football on Sunday mornings.
but if he signs week 4-5, and looks to be ready in a game or two, the Giants are not likely to NFI him and lose him for 6 weeks on top of the games he's already missed. They want him on the field. That's what JPP is angling for: getting an extra week or two of pay when he's still marginal. the fewer the games that the Giants have to carry him as on the roster, but inactive, the less likely it is that they'd NFI him.
I continue to think they'll come to a compromise when it becomes clearer when he'll be able to resume training/get on the field.
Need clarification if NFI operates like the Pre-season PUP if his recovery window is expected to be short, eg he'd be back at practice before the regular season begins.
Otherwise, he's put on NFI when the regular season begins, and he's then out six games unpaid, at a minimum.
Need clarification if NFI operates like the Pre-season PUP if his recovery window is expected to be short, eg he'd be back at practice before the regular season begins.
Otherwise, he's put on NFI when the regular season begins, and he's then out six games unpaid, at a minimum.
He'd be out 6 games, but the "unpaid" part is at the team's discretion. A team can choose to pay a player on NFI if it wants to.
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indicates NFI operates as the Regular Season PUP does.
Need clarification if NFI operates like the Pre-season PUP if his recovery window is expected to be short, eg he'd be back at practice before the regular season begins.
Otherwise, he's put on NFI when the regular season begins, and he's then out six games unpaid, at a minimum.
He'd be out 6 games, but the "unpaid" part is at the team's discretion. A team can choose to pay a player on NFI if it wants to.
Understood. Do we know if NFI during the pre-season operates differently?
If he's not on NFI, he's just like any other player on the roster.
IF NF/I operates like PUP and IR, then if JPP signs and is put on NF/I **after** the season has started, he would not be able to play at all. You cannot be put on PUP after the season has begun, only IR. So NF/I cannot work exactly like PUP.
Nobody seems to know if JPP were put on NF\I and taken off later
-whether he could play at all
- whether he would have to miss 6 games from the date he was put on NF/I
- whether he could play immediately.
It is not stated in the CBA that I can find.