But I think the fact that they were able to keep Wheeler is huge. Now they have another starter coming back around the All Star break in case. And maybe Montero sooner.
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
...and we discount his 'paternity' start he's been so much better than expected. Niese has given us all reason to be confident we have a good chance to get a 'W' when he takes the ball. Who would have predicted that 2 months ago?
He is pitching very well. Plus you have the added benefit of his being a lefty. I wonder if they have considered starting him in-between two hard throwing righties like deGrom and Noah. Seems like if would benefit both he and whichever righty was pitching after him.
Colon's innings should be replaced by Matz. Niese is 5th starter until all-star break, and then Wheeler comes back and Montero will be in the mix.
that's 7 starters (in no particular order).
Harvey
deGrom
Thor
Matz
Niese
Wheeler
Montero
Not sure what happens with Gee, I don't expect him to get a QO if he's a FA, if he's just arb eligible not sure how that works if he finishes in the minors. he'd be nice insurance as the 7th/8th starter depending on if before or after Wheeler's return.
Figure 8 or 9 starters deep is what they need to be.
RE: You could do alot worse than Jon Niese as your 5th starter.
But I think the fact that they were able to keep Wheeler is huge. Now they have another starter coming back around the All Star break in case. And maybe Montero sooner.
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
I don't see why Colon's innings have to be replaced? Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard will have no innings limit. Matz, Niese, and Wheeler for the final two spots? Plenty of innings to go around.
RE: You could do alot worse than Jon Niese as your 5th starter.
But I think the fact that they were able to keep Wheeler is huge. Now they have another starter coming back around the All Star break in case. And maybe Montero sooner.
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
Keeping all three didn't seem possible to me, but I'm glad they did it.
Now, the question is what happens next year. If they don't shell out some money to keep some offensive pieces, they'll have to deal for bats again.
I'm not too worried about Wheeler's weight. Lincecum won 2 CY's with that tiny frame. Chris Sale is a stick and is a K-machine. Doesn't seem to matter too much.
I still believe in him. If his arm is ok, long term it doesnt make a lot of sense to have Matz or Wheeler as the #5 starter (though my guess is we'll almost always have one of the big 5 arms on the DL -- nature of the game). A healthy, effective Wheeler dealt in 2016 or 2017 could bring back a good bat or restock the system with arms.
is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
wright at third and U.S. Transitioning to Cheech and Herrera in the middle. That will allow us to spend on somebody like Cespedes without issue.
30 million alone is coming off the books from Colon, Parnell, Gee, and Murphy. Very possible even more if we trade Niese in June to clear a spot for Wheeler.
I'm not too worried about Wheeler's weight. Lincecum won 2 CY's with that tiny frame. Chris Sale is a stick and is a K-machine. Doesn't seem to matter too much.
Yeah. I'm actually more worried about deGroms. Looks like a feather could knock him over. Hopefully they are fine.
RE: RE: I find it highly unlikely that Cespedes gives up FA,
It can't be. It's that very clause that makes him a FA. Otherwise he doesn't have the service time. His "release" and the Mets relinquishing their rights to him are what allow him to talk to other teams and why the Mets can't talk to him again until Mid-May. If he waives it he's not eligible to be a FA.
is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
Tejada at 3ish million seems steep to me but that's possible (sad) but possible. Uribe most certainly finds guaranteed playing time somewhere so unless the Mets give him 2b (really unlikely with Flores and Herrera here) OR Wright shockingly retires it's hard to see him coming back. It would be disappointing but I'm personally expecting Zobrist to replace Cespedes.
and 3 million makes me want to vomit. But I feel like we're going to need someone who can credibly play SS in case the other untested options fall through. And I doubt we'll get a significant savings on a UFA SS. Maybe we can find a PEDs/injury guy who will take a 1 year deal.
finishes really strong I could see Tejada brought back just as a place holder for a couple months and then he'd return to his backup middle infield position for the rest of the year.
dollar salar, and find a cheaper arm to bridge until Wheeler is ready. Or maybe go Montero/Verrett in the 5th spot. With an extra 9 million off the books, resign Cespedes or sign Upton.
Rich Coutinho
In my life 2 times Mets ruled this city and NYY fan reaction was Seaver and Koosman are not all that (69) and wait till u play Bosox (86)
Rich Coutinho
NYY deserve credit for their season my ? is why are their fans more concerned about Mets getting the back pages?
Rich Coutinho
I know Mets r getting very good when NYY fans get that high pitched screaming voice about NY baseball That train is never late
Rich Coutinho
I remember as a kid in 1969 when Mets finally took sole possession of first place from Cubs, Seaver said, "My God we have a magic #."
RE: Posted in jest, please, no hard core sniping ...
Rich Coutinho
In my life 2 times Mets ruled this city and NYY fan reaction was Seaver and Koosman are not all that (69) and wait till u play Bosox (86)
Rich Coutinho
NYY deserve credit for their season my ? is why are their fans more concerned about Mets getting the back pages?
Rich Coutinho
I know Mets r getting very good when NYY fans get that high pitched screaming voice about NY baseball That train is never late
Rich Coutinho
I remember as a kid in 1969 when Mets finally took sole possession of first place from Cubs, Seaver said, "My God we have a magic #."
Cespedes has a lower OPS than Parra. Worse player. Mets fucked up their asset management.
I assume this was radar?
Need you ask? LOL, of course it was that nitwit...
I never said this but I wouldn't expect much less from this trio of dimwits. I said the Mets paid more for a Cespedes rental despite Para having a similar season.
35, 42 (YC debut), 36. The Niese SD game was 35, and the Colon game was 24. Harvey vs LAD was 40 (weekend). Attendance is already up from 26.5 last year to 30.25 this year. If we can average 35 per the rest of the way over the remaining 25 home games we'll get to 2.6 million, 31.7k/game and +421k over 2014.
Next year's projections are more important. They'll sell more tickets. With these pitchers, a season ticket makes a lot of sense. 37k per game gets you 3 million for the season. We top out at 3.65 million -- Citi is smaller than Shea, where we cracked 4 million in 2008. We drew 3.169 million in 2009, which was a 70 win year but also the first year of Citi.
Actually, you claimed it was a "massive overpay" and also said that Cespedes had inflated numbers because of a "great lineup" and "one great month". I guess our lineup is murderers row as well because the change sure didn't seem to effect him last night.
And you basically said it was a bad move because of poor asset management. We'll see how long you cling onto that one.
Cespedes has a lower OPS than Parra. Worse player. Mets fucked up their asset management.
I assume this was radar?
Need you ask? LOL, of course it was that nitwit...
I never said this but I wouldn't expect much less from this trio of dimwits. I said the Mets paid more for a Cespedes rental despite Para having a similar season.
You yammered on and on - and on - about "poor asset management". Now you want to change the narrative? We're not as dumb as you, so we're not going to fall for it..
is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
Kelly Johnson's versatility seems to be understated. I would try to re-sign between him and Uribe. He could be a poor man's Zobrist with worse defense and hitting.
Between Johnson and Flores, that's supersubs to cover everything except CF and C. It would be hugely valuable.
Also, we need to stop bickering over the price we paid for Ces. I thought it was very steep, but what's done is done and Im happy to root for the new guy. And frankly, even if you didnt like the deal at the time, the 4 game standings swing vis a vis the Nats should at least have you rethinking that. I'd have liked the move a lot more if we were even or +1 vs DC.
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Wright just took full BP in Miami and raked. Hit a HR over the ribbon board in LCF and a one-hopper off the State Farm sign in right-center.
Anthony DiComo 12m
Wright just took full BP in Miami and raked. Hit a HR over the ribbon board in LCF and a one-hopper off the State Farm sign in right-center.
Wright came up in 2004.. 05 we added Pedro and Beltran but Beltran had a down year and the team wasn't very good.
09 was a mess. First year at Citi, tons of injuries. That was the Castillo dropped fly ball year. Fernando Nieve was getting starts for us that season.
Wright came up in 2004.. 05 we added Pedro and Beltran but Beltran had a down year and the team wasn't very good.
09 was a mess. First year at Citi, tons of injuries. That was the Castillo dropped fly ball year. Fernando Nieve was getting starts for us that season.
I know he came up in 04, but he got to have a taste of winning pretty early was the point. It's just a great shame that he wasted his healthy years on garbage ball, and now he may or may not be the same going forward.
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
sounds great in theory but like we mentioned earlier, how do you keep him on the roster? Cuddyer and Wright likely do replace Cambell and Conforto unless you are very creative. So who does Davis replace? Uribe? Johnson? Flores? I just don't see a spot unless you are solely acquiring him for September.
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
Actually, it's 100% true. I'm not in the business of saving NFT threads, next time I will for sure...
sounds great in theory but like we mentioned earlier, how do you keep him on the roster? Cuddyer and Wright likely do replace Cambell and Conforto unless you are very creative. So who does Davis replace? Uribe? Johnson? Flores? I just don't see a spot unless you are solely acquiring him for September.
I worry about that when all of these guys are here and healthy. They are already walking back David Wright's timeframe saying he will play at least 5 rehab games and then reassess so 8/15 aint happening. Win games, worry later.
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
Actually, it's 100% true. I'm not in the business of saving NFT threads, next time I will for sure...
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
He is pitching very well. Plus you have the added benefit of his being a lefty. I wonder if they have considered starting him in-between two hard throwing righties like deGrom and Noah. Seems like if would benefit both he and whichever righty was pitching after him.
Maybe he can train with Colon.
he looked way too skinny last year.
Colon's innings should be replaced by Matz. Niese is 5th starter until all-star break, and then Wheeler comes back and Montero will be in the mix.
that's 7 starters (in no particular order).
Harvey
deGrom
Thor
Matz
Niese
Wheeler
Montero
Not sure what happens with Gee, I don't expect him to get a QO if he's a FA, if he's just arb eligible not sure how that works if he finishes in the minors. he'd be nice insurance as the 7th/8th starter depending on if before or after Wheeler's return.
Figure 8 or 9 starters deep is what they need to be.
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
I don't see why Colon's innings have to be replaced? Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard will have no innings limit. Matz, Niese, and Wheeler for the final two spots? Plenty of innings to go around.
Colon's innings have to be replaced somehow next year.
Keeping all three didn't seem possible to me, but I'm glad they did it.
Now, the question is what happens next year. If they don't shell out some money to keep some offensive pieces, they'll have to deal for bats again.
30 million alone is coming off the books from Colon, Parnell, Gee, and Murphy. Very possible even more if we trade Niese in June to clear a spot for Wheeler.
Yeah. I'm actually more worried about deGroms. Looks like a feather could knock him over. Hopefully they are fine.
It can't be. It's that very clause that makes him a FA. Otherwise he doesn't have the service time. His "release" and the Mets relinquishing their rights to him are what allow him to talk to other teams and why the Mets can't talk to him again until Mid-May. If he waives it he's not eligible to be a FA.
Thanks Dan, that explains it.
Parnell more likely than not is a goner
Murphy more likely than not is a goner
Clippard more likely than not is a goner
Tejada more likely than not is a goner
Uribe and Johnson likely get multi-year/or more expensive than the Mets will pay bench player deals
Cespedes we shall see what happens
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
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is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
Tejada at 3ish million seems steep to me but that's possible (sad) but possible. Uribe most certainly finds guaranteed playing time somewhere so unless the Mets give him 2b (really unlikely with Flores and Herrera here) OR Wright shockingly retires it's hard to see him coming back. It would be disappointing but I'm personally expecting Zobrist to replace Cespedes.
In my life 2 times Mets ruled this city and NYY fan reaction was Seaver and Koosman are not all that (69) and wait till u play Bosox (86)
Rich Coutinho
NYY deserve credit for their season my ? is why are their fans more concerned about Mets getting the back pages?
Rich Coutinho
I know Mets r getting very good when NYY fans get that high pitched screaming voice about NY baseball That train is never late
Rich Coutinho
I remember as a kid in 1969 when Mets finally took sole possession of first place from Cubs, Seaver said, "My God we have a magic #."
In my life 2 times Mets ruled this city and NYY fan reaction was Seaver and Koosman are not all that (69) and wait till u play Bosox (86)
Rich Coutinho
NYY deserve credit for their season my ? is why are their fans more concerned about Mets getting the back pages?
Rich Coutinho
I know Mets r getting very good when NYY fans get that high pitched screaming voice about NY baseball That train is never late
Rich Coutinho
I remember as a kid in 1969 when Mets finally took sole possession of first place from Cubs, Seaver said, "My God we have a magic #."
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Cespedes has a lower OPS than Parra. Worse player. Mets fucked up their asset management.
I assume this was radar?
Need you ask? LOL, of course it was that nitwit...
I never said this but I wouldn't expect much less from this trio of dimwits. I said the Mets paid more for a Cespedes rental despite Para having a similar season.
Next year's projections are more important. They'll sell more tickets. With these pitchers, a season ticket makes a lot of sense. 37k per game gets you 3 million for the season. We top out at 3.65 million -- Citi is smaller than Shea, where we cracked 4 million in 2008. We drew 3.169 million in 2009, which was a 70 win year but also the first year of Citi.
And you basically said it was a bad move because of poor asset management. We'll see how long you cling onto that one.
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Cespedes has a lower OPS than Parra. Worse player. Mets fucked up their asset management.
I assume this was radar?
Need you ask? LOL, of course it was that nitwit...
I never said this but I wouldn't expect much less from this trio of dimwits. I said the Mets paid more for a Cespedes rental despite Para having a similar season.
You yammered on and on - and on - about "poor asset management". Now you want to change the narrative? We're not as dumb as you, so we're not going to fall for it..
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is absolutely NO CHANCE Dillon Gee is a Met next year. None. They aren't paying Dillon Gee roughly 6 million to be an extra starter. He and Parnell are goners. I guess Parnell could be so bad that he comes back on a minor league deal but they are gone. Colon is gone, Murphy more likely than not gone, Tejada likely gone, Uribe and Johnson likely gone due to price, Clippard gone
Tejada is interesting -- may need to arb him for 1 year to bridge the gap. Who plays SS next year if he's gone? Too early for Cecc to start the season in Queens. I think Herrera breaks camp as the 2B and that Flores will roam all over -- picking up 400-600 ABs in a Zobrist type role (3B for 4 weeks when X is hurt, then 2B for 2 weeks when Y isnt hitting...). Maybe Flores holds down SS until Cecc comes up, but it's risky. They dont like Wilmer at SS.
I could see Johnson resigned if he doesnt need more than the $1.5 he makes this year.
Kelly Johnson's versatility seems to be understated. I would try to re-sign between him and Uribe. He could be a poor man's Zobrist with worse defense and hitting.
I'm sure he'll ignore it going forward, just like he ignored Bill2 on the Iran thread. LOL...
Also, we need to stop bickering over the price we paid for Ces. I thought it was very steep, but what's done is done and Im happy to root for the new guy. And frankly, even if you didnt like the deal at the time, the 4 game standings swing vis a vis the Nats should at least have you rethinking that. I'd have liked the move a lot more if we were even or +1 vs DC.
Wright just took full BP in Miami and raked. Hit a HR over the ribbon board in LCF and a one-hopper off the State Farm sign in right-center.
Wright just took full BP in Miami and raked. Hit a HR over the ribbon board in LCF and a one-hopper off the State Farm sign in right-center.
Nice!
Poor bastard came up for 2006 and hasn't played a meaningful game since 2009.
09 was a mess. First year at Citi, tons of injuries. That was the Castillo dropped fly ball year. Fernando Nieve was getting starts for us that season.
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09 was a mess. First year at Citi, tons of injuries. That was the Castillo dropped fly ball year. Fernando Nieve was getting starts for us that season.
I know he came up in 04, but he got to have a taste of winning pretty early was the point. It's just a great shame that he wasted his healthy years on garbage ball, and now he may or may not be the same going forward.
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It's like a cheerleading cult
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
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It's like a cheerleading cult
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
Actually, it's 100% true. I'm not in the business of saving NFT threads, next time I will for sure...
I worry about that when all of these guys are here and healthy. They are already walking back David Wright's timeframe saying he will play at least 5 rehab games and then reassess so 8/15 aint happening. Win games, worry later.
I'm not giving up anything of note but if they want Tovar or Ceciliani they can have them for Davis. Just like Gee for Martin would be fine too.
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I thought 8/15 was more Wright's goal though. Either way I guess if Davis costs little to nothing it might be smart.
I'm not giving up anything of note but if they want Tovar or Ceciliani they can have them for Davis. Just like Gee for Martin would be fine too.
Gotcha and for that little Id agree 100%.
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In comment 12400979 Giants2012 said:
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It's like a cheerleading cult
Meanwhile, you told us there would be "no way" Wilpon would let Wright play for Mets again. That the Mets would get a "board of directors" of doctors to prevent him from stepping on the field again. Well guess what? He's doing baseball related activities, and if the insurance payments haven't stopped yet (based on his level of activities), they will real soon.
Good call!
LOL...
If you paid for an education i suggest asking for refund as none of what you posted is true. Learn to to read and maybe thinking won't be too far behind.
Actually, it's 100% true. I'm not in the business of saving NFT threads, next time I will for sure...
You're an idiot