It's probably a little too early for some of you. It is painfully obvious to me, the way his plan is coming together now and I'm sorry if it comes off over the top. No disrespect to teams in the 70s, I don't think they had close to the depth this team has or is about to have at both the minor league level and the big club.
Yeah, let's not disrespect those 70's teams.
The Von Trapp thing just made me literally laugh out loud
I missed yesterday's game but excited to see this team taking care of business against lesser teams. I'd caution that just 1 week ago we all had a somewhat similar feeling when we were up big on the Pads and looked to be cake walking through winning that series, but obviously the dynamic and talent level of this team has changed dramatically since then. For the first time in almost a decade this team is talented enough to scare people and do some damage, now it's up to Collins to push the right buttons to keep things on course.
It's probably a little too early for some of you. It is painfully obvious to me, the way his plan is coming together now and I'm sorry if it comes off over the top. No disrespect to teams in the 70s, I don't think they had close to the depth this team has or is about to have at both the minor league level and the big club.
LOL the late 70's teams had no depth! The point I was making was that during the late 70's and early 80's the Mets were playing far worse baseball than they have these past few seasons and then GM Frank Cashen brought in around 1980 orchestrated a similar turn around built on youth and a few veteran additions and they had a break out season in 84.
This is currently fun, so was that. Lets hope this team can end up as good as the 86 Mets.
To change the subject, the Mets have baseball's easiest schedule
but are closely followed by the Nats. The Giants, Cubs and Pirates - who are ahead of us for the Wild Card spot - all have more difficult schedules. Arguably, we've improved more since the end of July than our rivals and have significant players (Wright, Blevins, Matz) coming back from injury between now and early September. I'll list the win % of the Mets and the other NL contenders below. The numbers may include yesterday's game.
Mets - .455
Nats - .470
Cubs - .507
Pirates - .510
Giants - .519 Link - ( New Window )
I know you want to sing from the mountain top like you are a part of the Van Trapp family but holy crap.
"I told you so" is in full affect.
Lol. Absolutely no "I told you so's". Just giving credit to Sandy. Totally see how it would come off over the top. I get it... Let's make the playoffs first... Let's win something first.... IMO we are talented as any team in the NL now and have as good of a shot as anyone. I don't need proof but it's all good. I'll pipe down now.
sucks the language in Cespedes contract. Every time I see the lineup with him in it I dream it was realistic he would be here next year and it's just not. Hopefully they make a run at someone like Upton etc to replace him though.
curious to see if they call anyone up before 9/1. Per the rules anyone called up after 8/31 is ineligible for the post-season so maybe we see a surprising name like Josh Smoker before 9/1.
While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Problem is the language in his contract. He must be signed within 5 days of the WS or he CAN'T sign with the Mets even if they wanted to make him a great offer. There will be no negotiating with the Mets against other teams and his agent is Jay-Z who has shown ZERO inclination to be "loyal" to teams. So basically you have to believe the Mets make him an offer so incredible that he's convinced he doesn't want to even see what else is out there. I just don't see it as realistic (he's been talking about FA for 3 years now) part of the reason the Red Sox moved him.
While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Thanks to his weird contract, he couldn't resign here until May if we don't get it done by the time the world series ends.
sucks the language in Cespedes contract. Every time I see the lineup with him in it I dream it was realistic he would be here next year and it's just not. Hopefully they make a run at someone like Upton etc to replace him though.
I actually think the language in his contract increases the odds he resigns. If he likes it here, the team wins and he plays really well, and they decide to offer him a fair deal, he's got the pressure of a deadline just like we do. Maybe he blinks, maybe he doesn't. I don't know what the odds of his decision are in that instance but I do know that if he actually got to FA and teams could begin officially start bidding, we'd likely have no shot. Sure his agent will have an idea of what's out there, but he will have to pass on the Mets offer (again, presumably a situation he likes) knowing he can't shop himself and bring it back to them to match.
While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Thanks to his weird contract, he couldn't resign here until May if we don't get it done by the time the world series ends.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not being anti-Met or negative. Just realistic. With a normal contract I think we'd have some chance in retaining him. With his deal the odds have to be extremely low barring the Mets making him a MONSTER offer and he deciding he loves it so much he doesn't even want to speak to other teams.
While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Problem is the language in his contract. He must be signed within 5 days of the WS or he CAN'T sign with the Mets even if they wanted to make him a great offer. There will be no negotiating with the Mets against other teams and his agent is Jay-Z who has shown ZERO inclination to be "loyal" to teams. So basically you have to believe the Mets make him an offer so incredible that he's convinced he doesn't want to even see what else is out there. I just don't see it as realistic (he's been talking about FA for 3 years now) part of the reason the Red Sox moved him.
I didn't realize his contract prohibited him from signing.
1)Why in the world did he want that in there, how does it benefit him?
2) Since it is his contract couldn't he waive that portion of it if he wanted to resign with the Mets, or at least give them a chance to come close in matching?
in the contract definitely lowers our odds of signing him, but if he wants to stay a Met and the Wilpons are willing to pay him, it's not impossible that something gets done. It would likely come down to the last day/hour, but I wouldn't write off the possibility of it.
Premature, but what type of contract would it take to get him? He turns 30 in October. Would something like 6yr/$145M get it done?
No sense in getting nuts over what will happen with Cespedes now. We just got him, let's enjoy the next couple months and see how far he can help us go this season.
Odds are slim he'll stay long-term but I'd rather just let myself at least believe it's possible for now. You never know.
sucks the language in Cespedes contract. Every time I see the lineup with him in it I dream it was realistic he would be here next year and it's just not. Hopefully they make a run at someone like Upton etc to replace him though.
I actually think the language in his contract increases the odds he resigns. If he likes it here, the team wins and he plays really well, and they decide to offer him a fair deal, he's got the pressure of a deadline just like we do. Maybe he blinks, maybe he doesn't. I don't know what the odds of his decision are in that instance but I do know that if he actually got to FA and teams could begin officially start bidding, we'd likely have no shot. Sure his agent will have an idea of what's out there, but he will have to pass on the Mets offer (again, presumably a situation he likes) knowing he can't shop himself and bring it back to them to match.
Eric,
What pressure? He's getting his money either way. Even if he "loves" it here I'm sure in his mind he can love another place for monster money just the same (or the Yankees). Again, he's been on record for 3 years talking about how he knows his initial deal was below his value (half of Rusney Castillo's!). He's the one who fought to have that language in his contract and THEN signed with Jay-Z, a guy who had no problem sending Cano to Seattle.
curious to see if they call anyone up before 9/1. Per the rules anyone called up after 8/31 is ineligible for the post-season so maybe we see a surprising name like Josh Smoker before 9/1.
Yeah I brought this up the other day. One of the reasons I was hoping Conforto would get called up a day BEFORE rosters expand. I think we are good now though. Maybe you want somebody like Herrera on your bench in the playoffs? Problem is, there's no room with Uribe, Johnson, Cuddyer, ect now. Also Goedell, Blevins, Wright, and Matz all get injury exceptions so they are good.
I didn't realize his contract prohibited him from signing.
1)Why in the world did he want that in there, how does it benefit him?
2) Since it is his contract couldn't he waive that portion of it if he wanted to resign with the Mets, or at least give them a chance to come close in matching?
Most guys have to play 6 years before they can become an UFA. Cespedes deal requires his team to release him after 4 years so he can become an FA. Under MLB rules, a player that gets released has to either sign with the team that released him before 5 days after the world series, or the team that released him can't sign him until May.
I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
The problem with Cespedes is we can offer him a totally fair deal. If he wants to test F/A he's going to test F/A. Hopefully he loves it here so much he forgets about free agency but I doubt it.
I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
language was added to pressure whatever team he was on into making him a monster offer. Remember, when he signed with the A's (Marlins offered more money) he took less years to hit FA sooner. He didn't know he would actually be worth 130+ million etc, but he gambled the pressure on his team following 2015 would help him. Don't see how it's going to hurt him. If he's worth say 140 million to the Mets, he'll be worth that to other teams as well.
I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
CBA doesn't allow for changes after the fact. This was closed after the A-Rod/Red Sox stuff.
The problem with Cespedes is we can offer him a totally fair deal. If he wants to test F/A he's going to test F/A. Hopefully he loves it here so much he forgets about free agency but I doubt it.
That's all I meant. I was knocking the Mets in any way. Just saying if he wants to be a FA he won't be a Met. He's talked non-stop about FA for years now. So the "only" hope is the Mets playing so well he forgoes FA altogether. Possible? Ya never know. But unlikely.
I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
I don't think anyone can waive a portion of their contract( could be wrong on this). I remember Arod didn't go to the Red Sox when they tried to something similar and the union stepped in:
'The Rangers initially agreed to a trade with the Boston Red Sox, but the Major League Baseball Players Association vetoed the deal because it called for a voluntary reduction in salary by Rodriguez.'
is (and someone who knows the CBA better correct me if I'm wrong) is that if he waived the provision, then he wouldn't be an FA and would be subject to arbitration for the next two years. He can't be an FA unless we waive him, and under MLB rules, you can't sign the guy 5 days after the world series if you waive him.
the "wait and see" approach with this team. Edgin went down, we went and got two more lefthanders. The bench didn't work out, we got a new one. Mejia didn't work out, we got a new set-up man. We needed a big bat, hell or high water, Sandy got one and was heavily involved with three.
I just think that's how its going to be from now on. If we dont sign Cespedes we'll be looking at somebody else whether in the offseason or even next years deadline again. Sandy knows what we have with this pitching.
has put his return date as August 15th against the Pirates, the Mets on the other hand are saying "wait and see".
Wow. Next week? Wouldn't that be something.
He told Eddie Coleman he expected to play the final 45 games. I don't buy it. They will work him into games slowly (their words). I'd guess late August.
1- In your hypothetical (that he doesn't care where he plays and just wants the most $) the language in the contract is a non-issue because we'd have no chance to resign Cespedes either way. This organization is not getting into aggressive bidding wars and certainly not winning them. If JayZ/Cespedes are of the Ndamakung Suh mindset, we have no chance regardless of anything that plays out.
2 - Cano and JayZ IMO entered FA with a different strategy. As I recall they were doing everything they could to up the Yankees offer, I think most would agree he didn't want to leave and was only leaving for a dramatically bigger $. It took a month for Seattle to bring up the price on the deal they eventually made. The Yankees slow played him and had there been a deadline prior to FA where they had just made their best offer he might not have left. Especially if he thought he was depressing his own market by walking away from one of the most aggressive possible suitors who would no longer be able to bid for his services.
3- JayZ hasn't been around long enough to truly develop a track record, but I think he has shown a desire to get his clients into big markets. Also Victor Cruz and Dez Bryant both resigned before testing FA presumably because they were both in good situations in big markets.
If Cespedes plays really well here, the team wins, and he enjoys the NY stage (plus all the exposure and off the field opportunities that come with it) I think he would have to give serious consideration to a fair offer. Whether or not the Mets submit (or can submit) a fair offer is very much open to debate.
hopes to be back this weekend but admitted he hasn't started running yet so I'm guessing it will be a bit longer. Should make the bench deeper but I really don't want to see him starting over the guys we have unless it's an injury issue.
and play like his old self that would be a huge addition at this point and only make the bench that much stronger yet. I assume Campbell would be sent down. That would be some upgrade adding DW and subtracting Campbell.
1- In your hypothetical (that he doesn't care where he plays and just wants the most $) the language in the contract is a non-issue because we'd have no chance to resign Cespedes either way. This organization is not getting into aggressive bidding wars and certainly not winning them. If JayZ/Cespedes are of the Ndamakung Suh mindset, we have no chance regardless of anything that plays out.
2 - Cano and JayZ IMO entered FA with a different strategy. As I recall they were doing everything they could to up the Yankees offer, I think most would agree he didn't want to leave and was only leaving for a dramatically bigger $. It took a month for Seattle to bring up the price on the deal they eventually made. The Yankees slow played him and had there been a deadline prior to FA where they had just made their best offer he might not have left. Especially if he thought he was depressing his own market by walking away from one of the most aggressive possible suitors who would no longer be able to bid for his services.
3- JayZ hasn't been around long enough to truly develop a track record, but I think he has shown a desire to get his clients into big markets. Also Victor Cruz and Dez Bryant both resigned before testing FA presumably because they were both in good situations in big markets.
If Cespedes plays really well here, the team wins, and he enjoys the NY stage (plus all the exposure and off the field opportunities that come with it) I think he would have to give serious consideration to a fair offer. Whether or not the Mets submit (or can submit) a fair offer is very much open to debate.
Eric we will have to agree to disagree here. The Red Sox moved him because they knew he wanted to test FA despite being open to giving him an extension. I think even the most optimistic of fans (even ZGiants) agree that him bypassing FA is a long shot scenario.
and play like his old self that would be a huge addition at this point and only make the bench that much stronger yet. I assume Campbell would be sent down. That would be some upgrade adding DW and subtracting Campbell.
They should DFA Campbell, he's a waste of a 40 man spot. Trade for Valencia and deal Gee for a reliever. Hopefully Goedell can help as well but I'd like someone proven without a ridiculously long injury history (Goeddel's had 3 elbow surgeries already).
hopes to be back this weekend but admitted he hasn't started running yet so I'm guessing it will be a bit longer. Should make the bench deeper but I really don't want to see him starting over the guys we have unless it's an injury issue.
I hope it happens but unless Conforto goes on a real consistent tear I really don't see Collins benching Cuddyer.
hopes to be back this weekend but admitted he hasn't started running yet so I'm guessing it will be a bit longer. Should make the bench deeper but I really don't want to see him starting over the guys we have unless it's an injury issue.
I hope it happens but unless Conforto goes on a real consistent tear I really don't see Collins benching Cuddyer.
Hey, if Cuddyer hits then so be it. Not time for player development. Cuddyer just HASN'T hit and Conforto hasn't really had a chance to. I obviously prefer the best guys in there. PS Wilmer needs to play more, suddenly Tejada sucking has been ignored. He's back to being horrendous.
Dan - it may be a long shot scenario, but what's longer?
a) The Mets paying top dollar in a FA bidding war
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
Cuddyer should play almost exclusively against lefties for the rest of this season. The contract/1st round pick is a sunk cost. Let's at least hope Cuddyer can fit into the mix and play a positive role on the team the rest of the way.
I'm thrilled and excited with the makeup of this team and specifically the young guys and other pitchers.
My laughing was more about maybe finishing a season above .500 before proclaiming the dynasty is going to extend to 2022. And while I love the trades Sandy has made I outlined before how the bulk of the contributors on this roster were Omar draft picks or signings, so saying we "owe it all to Sandy" seems strange.
Lastly, the team was a game 7 away from the World Series in 2006.
This never pissed me off:
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It pissed everyone off year after year trading away assets for players far away.
In fact, I preferred it to the opposite of holding on to guys too long or acquiring players with false hopes of contending
This never pissed me off:
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It pissed everyone off picking high schoolers far away in the draft.
Giving up picks for some free agents bothered me, but Omar drafted Harvey, Ike Davis, Reese Havens, Pelfrey, Humber all out of college, and Sandy drafted Nimmo, Cecchini and Smith out of HS, with his first three first round picks, so you contradict yourself
This bothered me, but I view it as much the manager as the FO.
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It pissed everyone off being overly patient with players on our roster even though players like Duda, Lagares, and Flores have emerged from that.
and this only bothers me when there are better options that are avoided due to money and that's on ownership (and possibly the FO).
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It probably pissed people off that we shopped in the bargain basement for a few years looking for Marlon Byrds that might even turn into more assets.
RE: Dan - it may be a long shot scenario, but what's longer?
a) The Mets paying top dollar in a FA bidding war
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
Eric,
I think both are unlikely but I actually (believe it or not) think it's more likely the Mets would be willing to pay up (within reason) on Cespedes than I do Cespedes bypassing FA. I don't think any big FA needs to "know" what's out there. A consistent 3 WAR OF with power, on pace for a 5 WAR reason is getting his sheckles. There is zero doubt in my mind he's getting his money, as will David Price, Heyward, Greinke etc. The top guys always get theirs. The mid-tier guys sometimes are left out in the cold (so to speak).
Cuddyer should play almost exclusively against lefties for the rest of this season. The contract/1st round pick is a sunk cost. Let's at least hope Cuddyer can fit into the mix and play a positive role on the team the rest of the way.
I don't love this idea for one simple reason... are we going to bench Granderson or Duda vs. a tough lefty in the playoffs? Are we going to bench them vs. a tough lefty in a big series? If the answer is no then I want them facing some lefties. Maybe not guys they have poor numbers against but this lineup looks FAR worse with Cuddyer in there over Duda.
I know you want to sing from the mountain top like you are a part of the Van Trapp family but holy crap.
"I told you so" is in full affect.
Yeah, let's not disrespect those 70's teams.
LOL the late 70's teams had no depth! The point I was making was that during the late 70's and early 80's the Mets were playing far worse baseball than they have these past few seasons and then GM Frank Cashen brought in around 1980 orchestrated a similar turn around built on youth and a few veteran additions and they had a break out season in 84.
This is currently fun, so was that. Lets hope this team can end up as good as the 86 Mets.
Mets - .455
Nats - .470
Cubs - .507
Pirates - .510
Giants - .519
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I know you want to sing from the mountain top like you are a part of the Van Trapp family but holy crap.
"I told you so" is in full affect.
Lol. Absolutely no "I told you so's". Just giving credit to Sandy. Totally see how it would come off over the top. I get it... Let's make the playoffs first... Let's win something first.... IMO we are talented as any team in the NL now and have as good of a shot as anyone. I don't need proof but it's all good. I'll pipe down now.
They will need to prove they can win consistently on the road to finish out the season to really have a good chance.
Problem is the language in his contract. He must be signed within 5 days of the WS or he CAN'T sign with the Mets even if they wanted to make him a great offer. There will be no negotiating with the Mets against other teams and his agent is Jay-Z who has shown ZERO inclination to be "loyal" to teams. So basically you have to believe the Mets make him an offer so incredible that he's convinced he doesn't want to even see what else is out there. I just don't see it as realistic (he's been talking about FA for 3 years now) part of the reason the Red Sox moved him.
Thanks to his weird contract, he couldn't resign here until May if we don't get it done by the time the world series ends.
I actually think the language in his contract increases the odds he resigns. If he likes it here, the team wins and he plays really well, and they decide to offer him a fair deal, he's got the pressure of a deadline just like we do. Maybe he blinks, maybe he doesn't. I don't know what the odds of his decision are in that instance but I do know that if he actually got to FA and teams could begin officially start bidding, we'd likely have no shot. Sure his agent will have an idea of what's out there, but he will have to pass on the Mets offer (again, presumably a situation he likes) knowing he can't shop himself and bring it back to them to match.
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While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Thanks to his weird contract, he couldn't resign here until May if we don't get it done by the time the world series ends.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not being anti-Met or negative. Just realistic. With a normal contract I think we'd have some chance in retaining him. With his deal the odds have to be extremely low barring the Mets making him a MONSTER offer and he deciding he loves it so much he doesn't even want to speak to other teams.
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While unlikely maybe he ends up loving playing in NYC and seeks to work something out and sign a deal with the Mets as a free agent. You just never know. Lets just hope that he plays so well here that we all will want him to stay. Good problem to have.
Problem is the language in his contract. He must be signed within 5 days of the WS or he CAN'T sign with the Mets even if they wanted to make him a great offer. There will be no negotiating with the Mets against other teams and his agent is Jay-Z who has shown ZERO inclination to be "loyal" to teams. So basically you have to believe the Mets make him an offer so incredible that he's convinced he doesn't want to even see what else is out there. I just don't see it as realistic (he's been talking about FA for 3 years now) part of the reason the Red Sox moved him.
I didn't realize his contract prohibited him from signing.
1)Why in the world did he want that in there, how does it benefit him?
2) Since it is his contract couldn't he waive that portion of it if he wanted to resign with the Mets, or at least give them a chance to come close in matching?
Premature, but what type of contract would it take to get him? He turns 30 in October. Would something like 6yr/$145M get it done?
Odds are slim he'll stay long-term but I'd rather just let myself at least believe it's possible for now. You never know.
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sucks the language in Cespedes contract. Every time I see the lineup with him in it I dream it was realistic he would be here next year and it's just not. Hopefully they make a run at someone like Upton etc to replace him though.
I actually think the language in his contract increases the odds he resigns. If he likes it here, the team wins and he plays really well, and they decide to offer him a fair deal, he's got the pressure of a deadline just like we do. Maybe he blinks, maybe he doesn't. I don't know what the odds of his decision are in that instance but I do know that if he actually got to FA and teams could begin officially start bidding, we'd likely have no shot. Sure his agent will have an idea of what's out there, but he will have to pass on the Mets offer (again, presumably a situation he likes) knowing he can't shop himself and bring it back to them to match.
Eric,
What pressure? He's getting his money either way. Even if he "loves" it here I'm sure in his mind he can love another place for monster money just the same (or the Yankees). Again, he's been on record for 3 years talking about how he knows his initial deal was below his value (half of Rusney Castillo's!). He's the one who fought to have that language in his contract and THEN signed with Jay-Z, a guy who had no problem sending Cano to Seattle.
Yeah I brought this up the other day. One of the reasons I was hoping Conforto would get called up a day BEFORE rosters expand. I think we are good now though. Maybe you want somebody like Herrera on your bench in the playoffs? Problem is, there's no room with Uribe, Johnson, Cuddyer, ect now. Also Goedell, Blevins, Wright, and Matz all get injury exceptions so they are good.
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I didn't realize his contract prohibited him from signing.
1)Why in the world did he want that in there, how does it benefit him?
2) Since it is his contract couldn't he waive that portion of it if he wanted to resign with the Mets, or at least give them a chance to come close in matching?
Most guys have to play 6 years before they can become an UFA. Cespedes deal requires his team to release him after 4 years so he can become an FA. Under MLB rules, a player that gets released has to either sign with the team that released him before 5 days after the world series, or the team that released him can't sign him until May.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
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I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
CBA doesn't allow for changes after the fact. This was closed after the A-Rod/Red Sox stuff.
That's all I meant. I was knocking the Mets in any way. Just saying if he wants to be a FA he won't be a Met. He's talked non-stop about FA for years now. So the "only" hope is the Mets playing so well he forgoes FA altogether. Possible? Ya never know. But unlikely.
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I believe the clause was actually put in there so that he'd be able to get out of Oakland. So it actually isn't even relevant or necessary now but it's not going to change.
If he really loves being a Met why wouldn't he waive that portion just to give them as equal a chance as any other team in making an offer?
I don't think anyone can waive a portion of their contract( could be wrong on this). I remember Arod didn't go to the Red Sox when they tried to something similar and the union stepped in:
'The Rangers initially agreed to a trade with the Boston Red Sox, but the Major League Baseball Players Association vetoed the deal because it called for a voluntary reduction in salary by Rodriguez.'
Maybe deserves another chance soon
I just think that's how its going to be from now on. If we dont sign Cespedes we'll be looking at somebody else whether in the offseason or even next years deadline again. Sandy knows what we have with this pitching.
Wow. Next week? Wouldn't that be something.
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has put his return date as August 15th against the Pirates, the Mets on the other hand are saying "wait and see".
Wow. Next week? Wouldn't that be something.
He told Eddie Coleman he expected to play the final 45 games. I don't buy it. They will work him into games slowly (their words). I'd guess late August.
2 - Cano and JayZ IMO entered FA with a different strategy. As I recall they were doing everything they could to up the Yankees offer, I think most would agree he didn't want to leave and was only leaving for a dramatically bigger $. It took a month for Seattle to bring up the price on the deal they eventually made. The Yankees slow played him and had there been a deadline prior to FA where they had just made their best offer he might not have left. Especially if he thought he was depressing his own market by walking away from one of the most aggressive possible suitors who would no longer be able to bid for his services.
3- JayZ hasn't been around long enough to truly develop a track record, but I think he has shown a desire to get his clients into big markets. Also Victor Cruz and Dez Bryant both resigned before testing FA presumably because they were both in good situations in big markets.
If Cespedes plays really well here, the team wins, and he enjoys the NY stage (plus all the exposure and off the field opportunities that come with it) I think he would have to give serious consideration to a fair offer. Whether or not the Mets submit (or can submit) a fair offer is very much open to debate.
2 - Cano and JayZ IMO entered FA with a different strategy. As I recall they were doing everything they could to up the Yankees offer, I think most would agree he didn't want to leave and was only leaving for a dramatically bigger $. It took a month for Seattle to bring up the price on the deal they eventually made. The Yankees slow played him and had there been a deadline prior to FA where they had just made their best offer he might not have left. Especially if he thought he was depressing his own market by walking away from one of the most aggressive possible suitors who would no longer be able to bid for his services.
3- JayZ hasn't been around long enough to truly develop a track record, but I think he has shown a desire to get his clients into big markets. Also Victor Cruz and Dez Bryant both resigned before testing FA presumably because they were both in good situations in big markets.
If Cespedes plays really well here, the team wins, and he enjoys the NY stage (plus all the exposure and off the field opportunities that come with it) I think he would have to give serious consideration to a fair offer. Whether or not the Mets submit (or can submit) a fair offer is very much open to debate.
Eric we will have to agree to disagree here. The Red Sox moved him because they knew he wanted to test FA despite being open to giving him an extension. I think even the most optimistic of fans (even ZGiants) agree that him bypassing FA is a long shot scenario.
They should DFA Campbell, he's a waste of a 40 man spot. Trade for Valencia and deal Gee for a reliever. Hopefully Goedell can help as well but I'd like someone proven without a ridiculously long injury history (Goeddel's had 3 elbow surgeries already).
I hope it happens but unless Conforto goes on a real consistent tear I really don't see Collins benching Cuddyer.
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hopes to be back this weekend but admitted he hasn't started running yet so I'm guessing it will be a bit longer. Should make the bench deeper but I really don't want to see him starting over the guys we have unless it's an injury issue.
I hope it happens but unless Conforto goes on a real consistent tear I really don't see Collins benching Cuddyer.
Hey, if Cuddyer hits then so be it. Not time for player development. Cuddyer just HASN'T hit and Conforto hasn't really had a chance to. I obviously prefer the best guys in there. PS Wilmer needs to play more, suddenly Tejada sucking has been ignored. He's back to being horrendous.
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
My laughing was more about maybe finishing a season above .500 before proclaiming the dynasty is going to extend to 2022. And while I love the trades Sandy has made I outlined before how the bulk of the contributors on this roster were Omar draft picks or signings, so saying we "owe it all to Sandy" seems strange.
Lastly, the team was a game 7 away from the World Series in 2006.
This never pissed me off:
In fact, I preferred it to the opposite of holding on to guys too long or acquiring players with false hopes of contending
This never pissed me off:
Giving up picks for some free agents bothered me, but Omar drafted Harvey, Ike Davis, Reese Havens, Pelfrey, Humber all out of college, and Sandy drafted Nimmo, Cecchini and Smith out of HS, with his first three first round picks, so you contradict yourself
This bothered me, but I view it as much the manager as the FO.
and this only bothers me when there are better options that are avoided due to money and that's on ownership (and possibly the FO).
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
Eric,
I think both are unlikely but I actually (believe it or not) think it's more likely the Mets would be willing to pay up (within reason) on Cespedes than I do Cespedes bypassing FA. I don't think any big FA needs to "know" what's out there. A consistent 3 WAR OF with power, on pace for a 5 WAR reason is getting his sheckles. There is zero doubt in my mind he's getting his money, as will David Price, Heyward, Greinke etc. The top guys always get theirs. The mid-tier guys sometimes are left out in the cold (so to speak).
I don't love this idea for one simple reason... are we going to bench Granderson or Duda vs. a tough lefty in the playoffs? Are we going to bench them vs. a tough lefty in a big series? If the answer is no then I want them facing some lefties. Maybe not guys they have poor numbers against but this lineup looks FAR worse with Cuddyer in there over Duda.