a) The Mets paying top dollar in a FA bidding war
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
Eric,
I think both are unlikely but I actually (believe it or not) think it's more likely the Mets would be willing to pay up (within reason) on Cespedes than I do Cespedes bypassing FA. I don't think any big FA needs to "know" what's out there. A consistent 3 WAR OF with power, on pace for a 5 WAR reason is getting his sheckles. There is zero doubt in my mind he's getting his money, as will David Price, Heyward, Greinke etc. The top guys always get theirs. The mid-tier guys sometimes are left out in the cold (so to speak).
Yeah that will be the big question. If he does mesh well and helps the team win do the Mets make him the type of offer that he would accept? If he proves himself in NY better to pay him than hope to find someone for a little less and end up with another Bay situation.
Shecky,
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
any chance they keep conforto up for the final two months? especially if he hits over the next week?
If he keeps hitting I don't see why not but there comes a point where he's better off playing than not. I personally think he's going to hit if he's given a chance. I'm not suggesting he should be in there if he struggles but I think he's "ready".
In some ways the Mets are advantaged by the contract clause
It keeps us out of a bidding war. After the season we can go to him and make our best offer. He may feel that there is more money to be made elsewhere, but if NY is a good situation he may just go with us.
Funny thing is that there is a shit-ton of OF talent available this year in FA. Upton and Heyward are a bit younger (though YC doesnt cost you a pick). Alex Gordon is sure to opt-out. Span plays CF. Chris Davis can play OF. 2017 UFAs including Gomez may become available in trades. And then you ask how many teams are really in the market to pay $20 million to an OF -- he may get his $20+ million but it could be to languish on a team he doesnt really want to be on or in a city he doesnt want to live in.
Drinking my own kool aid for sure, but there is a lot of reason to believe that he gets done in NY if the Wilpons are willing to have a 2nd $100+ million player.
Shecky,
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
Just like the big club... lol
Good news there are some prospects to watch that will come through there in the next year or so. No future can't miss types, but fun guys to watch.
Terry was effusive in commenting on him last night. I saw it on SNY, but it was really high praise -- essentially said he'll be a star hitter once he has a bit of seasoning.
Shecky,
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
Just like the big club... lol
Good news there are some prospects to watch that will come through there in the next year or so. No future can't miss types, but fun guys to watch.
First time in about 10 years I haven't gone to a Cyclones game and all due respect to Vinny Siena, I'm not inspired to lol
Terry was effusive in commenting on him last night. I saw it on SNY, but it was really high praise -- essentially said he'll be a star hitter once he has a bit of seasoning.
His OBP after the game is .393. Probably one of the few guys on the team who actually practices what the Mets preach about their hitting philosophy. Not bad to have a guy with his ability hitting 8th.
but looking at our dead money is really depressing. I didnt know we were paying Sabes $250k/year. We owe 12.5 million to the Yankees' OF (Beltran). My favorite though is $129k in dead money to Kirk, who is on the fucking team. Link - ( New Window )
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He is going to be such a good hitter, I tell ya, the Mets manager said. When he gets around this league, gets used to the pitching, he is going to be a dynamic offensive player.
Going to Hilton Head next week for the whole week with my wife's side of the family. It just occurred to me that I'd be 30 minutes away from the Sand Gnats. None of the pitchers stand out to me (looks like Prevost is on the DL), but I recognize a bunch of the hitters (Farcia, Guillorme, Becerra).
Going to Hilton Head next week for the whole week with my wife's side of the family. It just occurred to me that I'd be 30 minutes away from the Sand Gnats. None of the pitchers stand out to me (looks like Prevost is on the DL), but I recognize a bunch of the hitters (Farcia, Guillorme, Becerra).
Another crappy roster prospect wise especially with Wieck and Meisner traded. You might get to see Luis Mateo who is once again rehabbing. Scouts like Duff as a potential MLB reliever, Baldonado has a bit of Alvarez to him but yeah BK and Savannah unusually crappy this season.
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Cuddyer at best will platoon with Conforto against tough lefties,ect. Really cant see him taking a spot back and I think they were pretty much going that way even before he went on the DL.
That said, Conforto does need to keep producing. Either way, I think Cuddyer will be a nice piece off the bench. I mean going from Cambell to Cuddyer has to be an upgrade.
He's got power to all fields. Would LOVE to resign him. Didn't know how fast he was and he hurt Rienzo at homeplate.
I had no idea of his speed either. I also had gotten the wrong impression from things I read that he wasn't as good a fielder as he has shown. It is a small sample size but he has played a nice CF and I wasn't expecting that.
Again a small sample size but he appears to be exactly what this team needs. If he proves himself in NY I certainly hope the Mets make him a sizable offer to stay.
Agreed to a deal with a group who planned to move them to Delaware, backed out but a court ruled in favor of the Florida based Delaware group. Sale price was reportedly 8.5 million, which is a reminder why Fred buying a team and moving them (for AAA) is unlikely.
I knew he was a good athlete but he has some jets. No reason he can't patrol CF effectively when asked to do so. His arm is outrageous.
I'd like to see the Mets at least step up to the plate and make him a serious offer in their signing window. Say 6/$126M. Maybe he passes but that's a more than respectable contract.
I can barely envision Fred signing off on the $126M. When you throw out numbers like 140M+ I cringe. It will probably take that to get it done. At least we'll have tried and that will also signal to guys like Upton, etc we are serious players heading into FA.
His ability to hit for XBH has put him in the Harper/Trout class
After last night I think he's 1-2 extra base hits behind Bryce Harper depending on what the Nats lineup did last night.
He's that good. The only thing that MIGHT affect his contract is that he's already 29 years old.
Thing is Choo was turning 31, Ellsbury turning 30. Ellsbury got 7 years 153, Choo got 7 years 130. I think we would all agree while Cespedes isn't a Trout/Stanton. He's most certainly in this "tier 2" level of offensive player. 7 years minimum 140 minimum is my guess for him.
Everybody comes back. Wright, Cuddyer, Blevins, and Matz. Id say Goedell too but Ill leave him out for now. How do we fit these guys in for the playoffs?
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
After last night I think he's 1-2 extra base hits behind Bryce Harper depending on what the Nats lineup did last night.
He's that good. The only thing that MIGHT affect his contract is that he's already 29 years old.
Thing is Choo was turning 31, Ellsbury turning 30. Ellsbury got 7 years 153, Choo got 7 years 130. I think we would all agree while Cespedes isn't a Trout/Stanton. He's most certainly in this "tier 2" level of offensive player. 7 years minimum 140 minimum is my guess for him.
Yeah, I agree. What sandy said at the time of the trade makes me feel like there might be an offer coming. Apparently Joel Sherman said Jeff had a hand in urging Sandy to pull the trigger on this. And attendance and TV is trending up, and Wright being the only $100m player on the roster with a cloud over his future maybe leads them to make a commitment. I hope. Lots.
Everybody comes back. Wright, Cuddyer, Blevins, and Matz. Id say Goedell too but Ill leave him out for now. How do we fit these guys in for the playoffs?
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
Conforto almost certainly goes down if Wright comes back and Cuddyer comes back unless Lagares is on the DL. I mean
Cespedes, Lagares, Granderson, Cuddyer. Conforto likely will never play as the 5th OF. No way a short pen, it's getting overworked as it is. Could use another arm.
Cespedes has to like the idea of playing for a perennial contender. If he stays combined with our pitching we have an extended championship window. Maybe these factors can influence the negotiations in some small way in our favor.
Thing is, we couldn't get Parra for the price the O's paid because there's no way we were dealing with MIL again after the Gomez fiasco. We were talking to them about Parra before Gomez from most reports and they wanted a heftier price. They overplayed their hand on him and had to take less in the end.
I'm fine with how it worked out, we got the best available bat and added really solid depth. We're good health, a reliever and a spare part away from being a complete team that can beat anyone.
Anyone have a solid estimate of how much additional
think is age is just one of those things you either accept or you don't. I don't think it effects his years at all. 7 or even 8 years is possible here. Basically understanding it's going to "hurt" at the end.
Cano 10 years at 31 years old
Miggy 8 years at 32 (+ a vested option)
Pujols 10 years at 32
Votto 10 years at 30
etc etc. I mean even Wright 8 for 138 at 30 years old
Steve there are too many factors we just don't have access too...
...to venture an accurate projection of how much more revenue a sold out Mets contender will generate. At best you can speculate it will be a significant amount in the tens of millions over the course of the season if we continue winning.
Everybody comes back. Wright, Cuddyer, Blevins, and Matz. Id say Goedell too but Ill leave him out for now. How do we fit these guys in for the playoffs?
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
Conforto almost certainly goes down if Wright comes back and Cuddyer comes back unless Lagares is on the DL. I mean
Cespedes, Lagares, Granderson, Cuddyer. Conforto likely will never play as the 5th OF. No way a short pen, it's getting overworked as it is. Could use another arm.
See Im not so sure Dan. If Conforto rips off a productive 2 weeks I think he's almost your starting LF already. Collins has already said Cespedes will play CF against righthanders which actually tells me they are giving him the opportunity to seize LF. If they time it right maybe they only go short in the pen for a day or two before rosters expand in September. Then maybe in the playoffs you leave somebody like Colon off completely leaving his spot for a bullpen piece again.
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a) The Mets paying top dollar in a FA bidding war
b) A player deciding to accept a big/fair deal with no guarantee to get something better after a deadline
I personally think A is a much bigger long shot and the deadline puts pressure on Cespedes to say no to something he won't be able to get back.
Eric,
I think both are unlikely but I actually (believe it or not) think it's more likely the Mets would be willing to pay up (within reason) on Cespedes than I do Cespedes bypassing FA. I don't think any big FA needs to "know" what's out there. A consistent 3 WAR OF with power, on pace for a 5 WAR reason is getting his sheckles. There is zero doubt in my mind he's getting his money, as will David Price, Heyward, Greinke etc. The top guys always get theirs. The mid-tier guys sometimes are left out in the cold (so to speak).
Yeah that will be the big question. If he does mesh well and helps the team win do the Mets make him the type of offer that he would accept? If he proves himself in NY better to pay him than hope to find someone for a little less and end up with another Bay situation.
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=t_ibp&cid=453
If he keeps hitting I don't see why not but there comes a point where he's better off playing than not. I personally think he's going to hit if he's given a chance. I'm not suggesting he should be in there if he struggles but I think he's "ready".
Funny thing is that there is a shit-ton of OF talent available this year in FA. Upton and Heyward are a bit younger (though YC doesnt cost you a pick). Alex Gordon is sure to opt-out. Span plays CF. Chris Davis can play OF. 2017 UFAs including Gomez may become available in trades. And then you ask how many teams are really in the market to pay $20 million to an OF -- he may get his $20+ million but it could be to languish on a team he doesnt really want to be on or in a city he doesnt want to live in.
Drinking my own kool aid for sure, but there is a lot of reason to believe that he gets done in NY if the Wilpons are willing to have a 2nd $100+ million player.
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=t_ibp&cid=453
Just like the big club... lol
Good news there are some prospects to watch that will come through there in the next year or so. No future can't miss types, but fun guys to watch.
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Shecky,
Don't know where you are but remember my concerns with the 2015 Cyclones having almost no talent prospect wise? They have 3 regulars posting an OPS over .700 lol One is 22 next month, one is 24 in December
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=t_ibp&cid=453
Just like the big club... lol
Good news there are some prospects to watch that will come through there in the next year or so. No future can't miss types, but fun guys to watch.
First time in about 10 years I haven't gone to a Cyclones game and all due respect to Vinny Siena, I'm not inspired to lol
His OBP after the game is .393. Probably one of the few guys on the team who actually practices what the Mets preach about their hitting philosophy. Not bad to have a guy with his ability hitting 8th.
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It loses a little on paper.
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2014 Marlins 14.8
2012 Rays 14.6
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Another crappy roster prospect wise especially with Wieck and Meisner traded. You might get to see Luis Mateo who is once again rehabbing. Scouts like Duff as a potential MLB reliever, Baldonado has a bit of Alvarez to him but yeah BK and Savannah unusually crappy this season.
He's got power to all fields. Would LOVE to resign him. Didn't know how fast he was and he hurt Rienzo at homeplate.
So this is happening? Wow, they were at Bing for so long.
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Adam seems to think Bing is headed to Delaware too. I hope they get a cooler name. D-Mets doesn't sound that cool
So this is happening? Wow, they were at Bing for so long.
Adam is of the belief the Bing owners would have issued a statement saying it's false if they were in fact staying.
Crisis averted..
That said, Conforto does need to keep producing. Either way, I think Cuddyer will be a nice piece off the bench. I mean going from Cambell to Cuddyer has to be an upgrade.
He's got power to all fields. Would LOVE to resign him. Didn't know how fast he was and he hurt Rienzo at homeplate.
I had no idea of his speed either. I also had gotten the wrong impression from things I read that he wasn't as good a fielder as he has shown. It is a small sample size but he has played a nice CF and I wasn't expecting that.
Again a small sample size but he appears to be exactly what this team needs. If he proves himself in NY I certainly hope the Mets make him a sizable offer to stay.
Agreed to a deal with a group who planned to move them to Delaware, backed out but a court ruled in favor of the Florida based Delaware group. Sale price was reportedly 8.5 million, which is a reminder why Fred buying a team and moving them (for AAA) is unlikely.
Not even the worst opinion I've read on here the last three days.
For the crap price Parra cost it wouldn't have been a horrible idea to bring in both.
I'd like to see the Mets at least step up to the plate and make him a serious offer in their signing window. Say 6/$126M. Maybe he passes but that's a more than respectable contract.
After last night I think he's 1-2 extra base hits behind Bryce Harper depending on what the Nats lineup did last night.
He's that good. The only thing that MIGHT affect his contract is that he's already 29 years old.
After last night I think he's 1-2 extra base hits behind Bryce Harper depending on what the Nats lineup did last night.
He's that good. The only thing that MIGHT affect his contract is that he's already 29 years old.
Thing is Choo was turning 31, Ellsbury turning 30. Ellsbury got 7 years 153, Choo got 7 years 130. I think we would all agree while Cespedes isn't a Trout/Stanton. He's most certainly in this "tier 2" level of offensive player. 7 years minimum 140 minimum is my guess for him.
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
For the crap price Parra cost it wouldn't have been a horrible idea to bring in both.
Looks like Philip Seymour Hoffman
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After last night I think he's 1-2 extra base hits behind Bryce Harper depending on what the Nats lineup did last night.
He's that good. The only thing that MIGHT affect his contract is that he's already 29 years old.
Thing is Choo was turning 31, Ellsbury turning 30. Ellsbury got 7 years 153, Choo got 7 years 130. I think we would all agree while Cespedes isn't a Trout/Stanton. He's most certainly in this "tier 2" level of offensive player. 7 years minimum 140 minimum is my guess for him.
Yeah, I agree. What sandy said at the time of the trade makes me feel like there might be an offer coming. Apparently Joel Sherman said Jeff had a hand in urging Sandy to pull the trigger on this. And attendance and TV is trending up, and Wright being the only $100m player on the roster with a cloud over his future maybe leads them to make a commitment. I hope. Lots.
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
Conforto almost certainly goes down if Wright comes back and Cuddyer comes back unless Lagares is on the DL. I mean
Cespedes, Lagares, Granderson, Cuddyer. Conforto likely will never play as the 5th OF. No way a short pen, it's getting overworked as it is. Could use another arm.
I'm fine with how it worked out, we got the best available bat and added really solid depth. We're good health, a reliever and a spare part away from being a complete team that can beat anyone.
Putting aside winning/losing I am curious how they may look at offering a large contract basing it entirely on fiancs.
Think Parra playing in the Miller BandBox vs. Cespedes in cavernous Comerica could have something to do with that?
Cano 10 years at 31 years old
Miggy 8 years at 32 (+ a vested option)
Pujols 10 years at 32
Votto 10 years at 30
etc etc. I mean even Wright 8 for 138 at 30 years old
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Cespedes has a lower OPS than Parra. Worse player. Mets fucked up their asset management.
Think Parra playing in the Miller BandBox vs. Cespedes in cavernous Comerica could have something to do with that?
I wasn't being serious. Cespedes is a superior player.
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Everybody comes back. Wright, Cuddyer, Blevins, and Matz. Id say Goedell too but Ill leave him out for now. How do we fit these guys in for the playoffs?
Cuddyer replaces Cambell. That's the easy part.
Wright? Getting tricky now. Who else is there? Go shorter in the bullpen? Send down Conforto?
Matz. Also tricky. Likely go with a 6 man rotation for a while so that's another reliever gone.
Blevins. Hopefully replaces A. Torres.
Looks like our bullpen/bench might have a difficult crunch coming up end of August and in the playoffs.
Conforto almost certainly goes down if Wright comes back and Cuddyer comes back unless Lagares is on the DL. I mean
Cespedes, Lagares, Granderson, Cuddyer. Conforto likely will never play as the 5th OF. No way a short pen, it's getting overworked as it is. Could use another arm.
See Im not so sure Dan. If Conforto rips off a productive 2 weeks I think he's almost your starting LF already. Collins has already said Cespedes will play CF against righthanders which actually tells me they are giving him the opportunity to seize LF. If they time it right maybe they only go short in the pen for a day or two before rosters expand in September. Then maybe in the playoffs you leave somebody like Colon off completely leaving his spot for a bullpen piece again.