8/4: It's August.. time to talk Fantasy Football.

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without question, in a PPR format. He'd probably be in my top 2 overall in a PPR so getting him at 4 would be huge.

Just seems risky. I also may be biased because I took him 4th last year and obviously I got burned.

I don't think I can pass on Brown if he's there @ 4.. but man, I feel like the RB pool when it comes back could be pretty depleted. I just always worry about getting stuck with a meh RB1 and a pure time share RB2.

with McCoy and Sankey as my first RB picks. Had #1 overall and took McCoy which obviously wasn't #1 overall value and Sankey I got in round 4 or 5, I don't remember. Another bad pick. However, I nailed WR and the rest of my team.

There are so many philosophies with draft strategy but I like picking the players/positions that aren't as injury prone. And if its a PPR, taking a healthy, proven WR is more valuable than a flier on AP hoping he A stays healthy and B doesn't miss a beat.

This weekend. It takes quite a bit of time, but I wanted to let you guys know I am about to start the journey!

I'm in the same exact situation picking 3rd in a .5 ppr and have no idea who to take. There's a lot of good RBs being kept in my league so there's no chance of anyone getting back to me at 22. If I took AB, I would be looking at Gordon, Gurley, Gore, etc as my RB1 and not sure I trust that.

Only good thing is I have picks 26 and 27 in the 3rd round from a trade last year. My thinking is to take AP/Leveon/Charles at 3. At 22 take the best WR available and 26/27 take Gordon and another WR.

Thoughts?

especially if Charles and Bell are gone.

I think this is the year where QB will be relatively cheap in auctions outside of Rogers/Luck/Manning.

Is anything like the fantasy baseball team I took over your gonna suck no matter.

my 14 team league, .5 PPR last year. One of the benefits of winning is that you get to pick your draft spot the following year.

Snake draft. Pick 1 and you pick 28th. I picked 11th last year. I am thinking of going top 3 to guarantee that big time RB and have my next pick at 26. Am I crazy for not taking the first slot?

What would you do?

Brown on my team last year. Along with Beckham who i stashed on my bench for 4 weeks, they are the reason I won.

and I'm almost certain that I'll take Brown at 2. Even if he isn't the top overall WR, his floor is so high and his stats are so consistent that it's by far the safest pick at the top (in PPR).

Doesn't he have a streak of like 30+ games with at least 5/50?

I completely punted RBs last year and won 2 of 4 leagues, and still made the playoffs in the other two. This year is even more slanted towards WRs early, as arguments could be made against almost all of the top RBs. There are great values in rounds 3-5 for RBs:
Gore
Miller
Gordon
Ellington
Abdullah
J.Stew

I did a mock last night and went:
Anonio Brown 1.02
T.Y Hilton 2.13
Frank Gore 3.02
Greg Olsen 4.13
Ameer Abdullah 5.02

I'll take that start every time.

than a solid set of WRs.

Between the pounding RBs have taken and the more and more 2 back teams, playmaking WRs have become much more productive than your top RBs.

I got keepers to decide on:

Peyton Manning, Den QB Draft - 2nd
Justin Forsett, Bal RB - Waiver - 7th
Odell Beckham Jr., NYG WR Waiver - 7th
Tyler Eifert, Cin TE - 15th
Brandin Cooks, NO WR - 9th


obviously OBJ is one. I'm thinking it's clearly between Forsett and Cooks and I'm honestly not sure which one. My head leans toward forsett but I know Cooks should be the man down in NOLA. Eifert is intriguing to try in round 15 but the guy has proven literally nothing yet.

In comment 12401008 GMenLTS said:

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than a solid set of WRs. Between the pounding RBs have taken and the more and more 2 back teams, playmaking WRs have become much more productive than your top RBs. I got keepers to decide on: Peyton Manning, Den QB Draft - 2nd Justin Forsett, Bal RB - Waiver - 7th Odell Beckham Jr., NYG WR Waiver - 7th Tyler Eifert, Cin TE - 15th Brandin Cooks, NO WR - 9th obviously OBJ is one. I'm thinking it's clearly between Forsett and Cooks and I'm honestly not sure which one. My head leans toward forsett but I know Cooks should be the man down in NOLA. Eifert is intriguing to try in round 15 but the guy has proven literally nothing yet.

Both Cooks and Forsett are good values there. I'd try to guess who everyone else in the league is going to keep and keep whichever position will be more scarce.

I'm really gunning for Cooks with my 3rd pick. I'm huge on him this year.

I won my league last year and took Forte 1st.. but I won it because I added CJA and OBJ mid year. Plus I stole Sanders in like the 6th rd.

Also had Lamar Miller who wound up lead dog by default after Moreno went down Week 1 and I hung onto Jeremy Hill all year who took over in CIN at the perfect time. My team was absolutely stacked by November/December.

a 7th for Beckham is robbery! I like Cooks there for a 9th, also, especially with some weapons exiting NO.

Cooks in the 8th and Luck in the 5th.

Would you trade 11th overall and 83rd overall (7th round) for 1st overall?

Picking 1st and 14th could get me a core of

Luck
Charles/Leveon at 1
Dez/Julio/Calvin at 14
Cooks

I'm finding that hard to turn down.

in a PPR, especially if you are starting 3 WRs and a flex, I think you should be looking for 2 WRs in your first 3 picks from the 4 spot. Not sure how you feel about the WR pool, but in the 2 drafts I've been in that were PPR, there were already 10-12 WRs off the board by the time pick 2.9 came around.

I'd keep Forsett. I think he's going to have a huge year in a PPR in the Forte role of Trestman's offense. I don't think it's 100 catch huge, but 70 catches and the bulk of the rushes is going to make him a guy you want.

In comment 12401078 knicks3031 said:

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Cooks in the 8th and Luck in the 5th. Would you trade 11th overall and 83rd overall (7th round) for 1st overall? Picking 1st and 14th could get me a core of Luck Charles/Leveon at 1 Dez/Julio/Calvin at 14 Cooks I'm finding that hard to turn down.

Is that a non-PPR? Even so, I'd be stunned if any of those WRs are there at 14. Maybe Calvin, but the other 2 will be gone.

In comment 12401079 YAJ2112 said:

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in a PPR, especially if you are starting 3 WRs and a flex, I think you should be looking for 2 WRs in your first 3 picks from the 4 spot. Not sure how you feel about the WR pool, but in the 2 drafts I've been in that were PPR, there were already 10-12 WRs off the board by the time pick 2.9 came around.

I kind of agree. We do start 3 WR and a Flex and it's PPR so WR's are going to be where the real money is.

I have no way of knowing but I have to think Bell and Charles are 2 of the first 3 picks. If the guy with the 3rd pick snakes Brown from me would it be insane to take Beckham 4th? I can't tell if it would be a major homer pick or if I could justify it. I can't see any way he doesn't have an absolutely insane year if he stays on the field.

In comment 12401092 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 12401078 knicks3031 said: Quote: Cooks in the 8th and Luck in the 5th. Would you trade 11th overall and 83rd overall (7th round) for 1st overall? Picking 1st and 14th could get me a core of Luck Charles/Leveon at 1 Dez/Julio/Calvin at 14 Cooks I'm finding that hard to turn down. Is that a non-PPR? Even so, I'd be stunned if any of those WRs are there at 14. Maybe Calvin, but the other 2 will be gone.

.5 ppr. I know the guys in this league like RBs. I'm imagining the top 13 picks go something like this in any given order:

Bell
Lacy
Charles
Lynch
Brown
AP
Rodgers (6 pt passing TD)
Demarco
McCoy
Foster
Demaryius
Dez

That leaves Calvin/Julio at 13 or 14

Only had part of a season, but he was excellent and now he's got that Kubiak offense and it looks like they will be closer to a 50/50 run pass ratio.

I have him as a top 10 fantasy player but none of you seem to agree. Am I off my rocker?

even in a RB crazy league, I wouldn't be surprised to see both Murray and McCoy slip to the 2nd round. The top of the draft is very wild this year.

In comment 12401118 Andy in Halifax said:

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Only had part of a season, but he was excellent and now he's got that Kubiak offense and it looks like they will be closer to a 50/50 run pass ratio. I have him as a top 10 fantasy player but none of you seem to agree. Am I off my rocker?

I love CJ Anderson and Forsett this year, have them at 6/7 on my rankings. Am hoping to snag at least one of them in the 2nd/early 3rd.

But even with that said - if I did the trade I could also take Brown at 1 overall.

Luck
Brown
Cooks
Whatever RB falls to 14

Is it worth it to give up a 7th to do that though

In comment 12401118 Andy in Halifax said:

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Only had part of a season, but he was excellent and now he's got that Kubiak offense and it looks like they will be closer to a 50/50 run pass ratio. I have him as a top 10 fantasy player but none of you seem to agree. Am I off my rocker?

I saw CJ anderson ranked at 8 on the top 300. I think that's a little higher than where I would take him, but he is going to be a big time fantasy player this year

It's not crazy to take OBJ at 4 overall. The first round is wide open this year, so just take the player you like at that point.

CJA is the goods. The kid has great vision and he maximizes each carry he gets. My only concern is that Denver always seems to have productive "flavor of the week" RB's even crossing over through regimes. I don't know if guys like Hillman or Ball will take away touches from him if they're healthy or if he'll still be the lead dog.

again. If you could pick your draft spot in a .5 PPR, 14 team league, would you go with #1 or pick elsewhere?

I don't look at this year and see a big time consensus #1 guy that is separated from the rest. I think you have better odds of building a better team if you take a pick in the middle somewhere.

Identify a couple of targets and decide where you'd realistically be able to get them and go from there.

In comment 12401140 knicks3031 said:

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But even with that said - if I did the trade I could also take Brown at 1 overall. Luck Brown Cooks Whatever RB falls to 14 Is it worth it to give up a 7th to do that though

It's close... would you trade Julio Jones and say Isaiah Crowell for Brown? If yes, then do it.

And yeah, your likely to have some good options at RB at 14. My point was just that you shouldn't count on any scenario happening and you should be prepared to go in a different direction if those WRs aren't there.

In comment 12401180 arcarsenal said:

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I don't look at this year and see a big time consensus #1 guy that is separated from the rest. I think you have better odds of building a better team if you take a pick in the middle somewhere. Identify a couple of targets and decide where you'd realistically be able to get them and go from there.

Thanks, Arc.

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based on PPRs.

The first 3 picks IMO should be Brown, Luck, Rodgers. I do not trust any RBs anymore, especially ones serving suspensions or coming off injuries.

I think Brown, Jones, Bryant, OBJ have separated themselves from the Thomas, Megatron, Nelson, Greens of the world.

I am all in with Brandin Cooks this year. 100 receptions would not surprise me the littlest.

RBs like Hill and Anderson will be drafted in the 2nd round, and may end up being the 2 best back in football this year. Crazy prediction... Hill has 15 TDs this year.

I am all in on the rookie RBs this year. Gordon, Gurley, Coleman, Abdullah, Cobb, David Johnson will all be starting by mid year. Hence why I am not taking Rbs with a top 3 pick.

Murray/Gore will disappoint.

Sammy Watkins has a much bigger year than anyone predicts.

Eli will be a top 5 fantasy QB this year. Peyton will not be.

If I dont get Luck/Rodgers early... Ill wait a few round for Eli, Ben, or Ryan. I want no part of Wilson, Rivers, Cam as my Qb.

Davonte Adams will break out this year. Cobb surpasses Jordy as well in GB.

Breakout player not mention so far who will put up top 10 points at his position.... Carlos Hyde.

In comment 12401215 dep026 said:

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based on PPRs. The first 3 picks IMO should be Brown, Luck, Rodgers. I do not trust any RBs anymore, especially ones serving suspensions or coming off injuries. I think Brown, Jones, Bryant, OBJ have separated themselves from the Thomas, Megatron, Nelson, Greens of the world. I am all in with Brandin Cooks this year. 100 receptions would not surprise me the littlest. RBs like Hill and Anderson will be drafted in the 2nd round, and may end up being the 2 best back in football this year. Crazy prediction... Hill has 15 TDs this year. I am all in on the rookie RBs this year. Gordon, Gurley, Coleman, Abdullah, Cobb, David Johnson will all be starting by mid year. Hence why I am not taking Rbs with a top 3 pick. Murray/Gore will disappoint. Sammy Watkins has a much bigger year than anyone predicts. Eli will be a top 5 fantasy QB this year. Peyton will not be. If I dont get Luck/Rodgers early... Ill wait a few round for Eli, Ben, or Ryan. I want no part of Wilson, Rivers, Cam as my Qb. Davonte Adams will break out this year. Cobb surpasses Jordy as well in GB. Breakout player not mention so far who will put up top 10 points at his position.... Carlos Hyde.

Cobb will not surpass Jordy. Only chance that will happen is if Jordy isn't recovered from hip surgery.

I can't comment too much since my coworker/fantasy competitor also frequents BBI and reads these threads. The only thing I can say is...fuck Carlos Hyde. I am not touching him at his ADP unless he falls to the 5th / 6th round. Hard to trust any 49ers after what happened last year and the fact they have to face the Hawks / Cardinals 4 times a year

John Brown (Ari.)
Darren McFadden
and Jimmy Graham?

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In comment 12401286 beatrixkiddo said:

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John Brown (Ari.) Darren McFadden and Jimmy Graham?

Brown has good upside. Wouldn't touch McFadden. Graham should have a big year. I think they'll utilize him quite a bit in their passing game.

Speaking of Arizona WR's.. I bet Michael Floyd will be universally undervalued in drafts this year and wind up far out-producing his ADP.

I see McFadden getting the bulk of the carries there, unless he gets injured.

we were a 10-team keeper league. my keepers were Beckham for an 8th round pick and Julio Jones for a 4th and I had the 2nd pick in the draft.

We expanded to a 12-team league and they voted to start from scratch, trashed our keepers, upped the league entry fee, and re-drew draft order.

I now pick 11th out of 12 and have no keepers?

this is a league of all friends, so there was no animosity but everyone voted and the majority won. there was no fair way to really expand to a keeper league without screwing the new teams a little, but I said that should be expected.

I was overruled.

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I see McFadden getting the bulk of the carries there, unless he gets injured.

You mean UNTIL he gets injured. I'd be shocked if he went a full season.

In comment 12401309 beatrixkiddo said:

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I see McFadden getting the bulk of the carries there, unless he gets injured.

he's already injured

In comment 12401302 arcarsenal said:

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Speaking of Arizona WR's.. I bet Michael Floyd will be universally undervalued in drafts this year and wind up far out-producing his ADP.

With Carson Palmer back I like David Johnson there and John Brown (late) too. without Carson Palmer I'm not a huge fan of either.

In comment 12401309 beatrixkiddo said:

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I see McFadden getting the bulk of the carries there, unless he gets injured.

He's already having hamstring issues and camp literally JUST started. If you told me he'd play 12+ games this year I'd take a gamble. I just can't trust him to stay on the field.

I will keep a close eye on them through the pre-season. Whomever wins that starting role will be on my sleeper list.

I think John Brown is poised for a breakout year, Palmer is returning and he has done well in Bruce Arians Offense.

In comment 12401311 pjcas18 said:

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we were a 10-team keeper league. my keepers were Beckham for an 8th round pick and Julio Jones for a 4th and I had the 2nd pick in the draft. We expanded to a 12-team league and they voted to start from scratch, trashed our keepers, upped the league entry fee, and re-drew draft order. I now pick 11th out of 12 and have no keepers? this is a league of all friends, so there was no animosity but everyone voted and the majority won. there was no fair way to really expand to a keeper league without screwing the new teams a little, but I said that should be expected. I was overruled.

IS there any way to do it differently? You could use a format similar to NFL expansion. Each current team selects their keepers (Protect the players). Then, the new guys can select keepers and their associated rounds from any of the remaining players on the current teams. They may get screwed a little, but next year all will be fair.

I'd be disappointed too, if I were you.

In comment 12401338 NJGiantFan84 said:

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In comment 12401311 pjcas18 said: Quote: we were a 10-team keeper league. my keepers were Beckham for an 8th round pick and Julio Jones for a 4th and I had the 2nd pick in the draft. We expanded to a 12-team league and they voted to start from scratch, trashed our keepers, upped the league entry fee, and re-drew draft order. I now pick 11th out of 12 and have no keepers? this is a league of all friends, so there was no animosity but everyone voted and the majority won. there was no fair way to really expand to a keeper league without screwing the new teams a little, but I said that should be expected. I was overruled. IS there any way to do it differently? You could use a format similar to NFL expansion. Each current team selects their keepers (Protect the players). Then, the new guys can select keepers and their associated rounds from any of the remaining players on the current teams. They may get screwed a little, but next year all will be fair. I'd be disappointed too, if I were you.

that's exactly what I proposed, just on my roster I had Sammy Watkins for a 9th round pick, Kelvin Benjamin for a 10th, Brandin Cooks for a 7th.

those are not bad keepers in ppr at all.

until he proves otherwise.

I don't think Carlos Hyde will be anywhere near the top 10. The o-line got gutted in the offseason and that team is going to stink.

In comment 12401430 YAJ2112 said:

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I don't think Carlos Hyde will be anywhere near the top 10. The o-line got gutted in the offseason and that team is going to stink.

Therein line is the value. He will get a lot of touches. The defense should be ok. They are going to run the ball more than any other team in the NFl, or are at least should. He will get points just based on opportunity. Bush will get hurt, and they wont rely on Kap's arm. It wouldnt shock me if he got 1100-1200 yards and close to 10 TDs.

In comment 12401440 dep026 said:

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In comment 12401430 YAJ2112 said: Quote: I don't think Carlos Hyde will be anywhere near the top 10. The o-line got gutted in the offseason and that team is going to stink. Therein line is the value. He will get a lot of touches. The defense should be ok. They are going to run the ball more than any other team in the NFl, or are at least should. He will get points just based on opportunity. Bush will get hurt, and they wont rely on Kap's arm. It wouldnt shock me if he got 1100-1200 yards and close to 10 TDs.

Their defense is the biggest question mark imo. Nearly half of their starting defensive players retired.

In comment 12401440 dep026 said:

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In comment 12401430 YAJ2112 said: Quote: I don't think Carlos Hyde will be anywhere near the top 10. The o-line got gutted in the offseason and that team is going to stink. Therein line is the value. He will get a lot of touches. The defense should be ok. They are going to run the ball more than any other team in the NFl, or are at least should. He will get points just based on opportunity. Bush will get hurt, and they wont rely on Kap's arm. It wouldnt shock me if he got 1100-1200 yards and close to 10 TDs.

If they won't rely on Kap's arm, then teams are going to stack the box all day and Hyde won't get any room to run with those opportunities. Hyde's best chance for success is for Kap to become a weapon that other teams have to worry about. Otherwise, RBs on bad teams don't usually equate to top 10 fantasy production... especially ones that aren't going to catch a lot of passes.

ESPN breaking that Foster suffered a groin injury, may need surgery and miss start of the season.

is a no brainer right? i think i am overthinking it...

i ahve the 7th pick and the only real 1st rounder i could see being kept is antonio Brown...

In comment 12401614 nygiants16 said:

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is a no brainer right? i think i am overthinking it... i ahve the 7th pick and the only real 1st rounder i could see being kept is antonio Brown...

No brainer. Bell is top 3 even with the two game suspension