This question is mainly directed to the older Giant fan's. Who besides myself thinks that it is really unjust that John Mendenhall is not in the Giants Ring of Honor? To me, he was the heart and soul of the Defense for much of the 70's. I know they were losing teams but that was not his fault. Just throwing it out there on a training camp day.
To me, the most egregious omission at this point in time is Jimmy Patton.
Agree, a definite Ring of Famer
Mendenhall was a good player and an underrated player, but I don't think he fits the criteria of a great player or someone who distinguished himself as one of the best at his position. I think that's needed for people who are on abysmal teams.
I doubt they put people in the ring of honor for effort. Kotar gave his all, but was a mediocre player.
Start a "Toast is the Most" campaign for Elvis Patterson
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Yes he was. Kelley was good, a plugger who over achieved. BVP was special in his prime
I agree, that's why the Giants Ring is crap. I'm OK with Tim, the original owner, but his sons don't belong. Jack was a businessman and contributed nothing to what went on on the field. For whatever good Wellington did when he was young, it was all his fault they went over 20 years between championship games and gave us most of the worst football in the history of the NFL in the 60's and 70's.
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In 1930, he became the youngest owner of a professional sports team at the age of 14. Mara was a vital member of the Giants franchise for 81 years and one of the most revered and influential figures in the history of professional football. He was instrumental in helping the Giants make 26 postseason appearances, including 18 division championships and six NFL titles, including Super Bowls XXI and XXV. Mara was invaluable to the NFL as a member of many ownership committees. In 1997, Mara was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, joining his father, Tim Mara, as the first father-son duo to be enshrined. He died on Oct. 25, 2005.
Wellington had nothing to do with any of the super bowls. Nephew Tim fought to have him removed from football decisions after The Fumble. His running of the team, constant interference and inept leadership gave us 20 years of lousy football.
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During the very first Giants game ever played in 1925, Jack Mara followed each play along the sideline as he held the first down marker. He went on to hold more important jobs in the organization. In 1930, his father Tim, turned ownership of the team over to Jack (who was then 22) and his younger brother, Wellington. Jack was in charge of the team’s business operations and served as team president for 31 years. He was the driving force behind the Giants’ move from the Polo Grounds to Yankee Stadium, and he lobbied NFL owners to share television revenue, which helped create the parity that has been so important to the league’s success.
Until he died, Tim Mara was the boss and chairman of the board. He signed ownership of the team over to his sons to protect it from creditors during the depression. He made all major decisions including approving Wellington's major trades and assigned him to target certain players. Jack was just a business man, worked the books. For his work with television revenue, he belongs in the NFL Ring, not the Giants. Brother Wellington never learned how to deal with parity and the Giants were one of the very worst teams during the first 20 years of the revenue sharing Jack, then he helped create. His son Tim was the driving force behind the Giants move to NJ and Giants Stadium.
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which helped create the parity that has been so important to the league’s success.
The Giants were at or usually well under .500 for 17 of 20 seasons while Dallas was in the playoffs just about every single one of those years. You call that parity? Or is that because the because Wellington couldn't run the team on an equal financial playing field with the rest of the league? He was no longer able to get expensive vets for young play players and draft choices. 20 Years of Lousy Football-Thank You, Well Mara.
Those years were a long time ago and Wellington made the appropriate changes I (not an easy thing done i.e. Snyder & J.Jones) in order to become a model owner who supported his football people not undermine them and also made the Giants the pride of the NFL where for the most part how they treat players and fans is the gold standard of sports.
You seem to carry around a lot of bitterness for things that are long in the past. And to really expect that the Mara's wouldn't acknowledge their own family in their own ring of honor as part of the NY Giants history is naïve.
Those years were a long time ago and Wellington made the appropriate changes I (not an easy thing done i.e. Snyder & J.Jones) in order to become a model owner who supported his football people not undermine them and also made the Giants the pride of the NFL where for the most part how they treat players and fans is the gold standard of sports.
You seem to carry around a lot of bitterness for things that are long in the past. And to really expect that the Mara's wouldn't acknowledge their own family in their own ring of honor as part of the NY Giants history is naïve.
How they treat their fans is the gold standard of sports? How do you feel about PSL's?
I'm not naive, Jack & Wellington cheapen the ring. Tim fought with Wellington and with Pete Roselle's help got Wellington from mingling with the team.
Do a comparison - in relation to most teams, the Giants at least have a face of integrity and do seem to care about the fans. Shit on Wellington as much as you want, shit on his leadership and business acumen, but the man cared about this team. He appreciated winning and did it without being a braggart or embarrassment.
The ill will shown towards him is sort of strange.
Do a comparison - in relation to most teams, the Giants at least have a face of integrity and do seem to care about the fans. Shit on Wellington as much as you want, shit on his leadership and business acumen, but the man cared about this team. He appreciated winning and did it without being a braggart or embarrassment.
The ill will shown towards him is sort of strange.
Well Mara cared about this team to a fault..The lousy football from '64-'80 era was of course on him in part..But there was never a doubt in my mind about how much he loved his team
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in modern sports. You can hardly hold that as disregard for ownership crapping on fans.
Do a comparison - in relation to most teams, the Giants at least have a face of integrity and do seem to care about the fans. Shit on Wellington as much as you want, shit on his leadership and business acumen, but the man cared about this team. He appreciated winning and did it without being a braggart or embarrassment.
The ill will shown towards him is sort of strange.
Well Mara cared about this team to a fault..The lousy football from '64-'80 era was of course on him in part..But there was never a doubt in my mind about how much he loved his team
I don't deny those years were on him but IMO that still shouldn't prevent him from having his name in the Ring of Honor as a substantial part of Giant's history.
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in modern sports. You can hardly hold that as disregard for ownership crapping on fans.
Do a comparison - in relation to most teams, the Giants at least have a face of integrity and do seem to care about the fans. Shit on Wellington as much as you want, shit on his leadership and business acumen, but the man cared about this team. He appreciated winning and did it without being a braggart or embarrassment.
The ill will shown towards him is sort of strange.
Well Mara cared about this team to a fault..The lousy football from '64-'80 era was of course on him in part..But there was never a doubt in my mind about how much he loved his team
I don't deny those years were on him but IMO that still shouldn't prevent him from having his name in the Ring of Honor as a substantial part of Giant's history.
"in modern sports. You can hardly hold that as disregard for ownership crapping on fans." The Giants treatment of their wealthiest fans is the gold standard of sports.
Shit on Wellington as much as you want, shit on his leadership and business acumen, but the man cared about this team. He appreciated winning and did it without being a braggart or embarrassment. Danial Snyder cares about winning. Maybe in public he wasn't a braggart, but he constantly went against Tim, making poor decisions and pressuring others to backing him. His biggest contribution to the first 2 super bowls was doing nothing and allowing George Young to run the team without his interference.
The ill will shown towards him is sort of strange. Call it ill will if you like. The team was an embarrassment my first 16 years as a fan with LT the only ray of hope towards the end. Since then, Giants management and the press have made him out to be a saint and erased his nephew Tim's name from their history. Tim, with Pete Roselle's help, saved the team from Wellington's inept leadership.
Well Mara cared about this team to a fault..The lousy football from '64-'80 era was of course on him in part..But there was never a doubt in my mind about how much he loved his team. George Steinbrenner, Danial Snyder, etc all cared for their teams to a fault, Does that make them great owners? The bad football from '64-'83 was all on him. He hired his friends to coach, scout and manage the team. Most unqualified yes men that answered to him and in later years, behind Tim's back.