He's gonna get killed because we didn't land one of the top FA but I feel most are/were over priced. We should be in great shape for next off-season to land a top player while Porzingis continues to develop.
So that would be one spot left unless im forgetting someone. I really think that Seraphin can earn a starting spot over Williams. He is more of a Center but can def play PF.
if this signing means more Derrick Williams and Porzingis as the backup 3 as well as some time at 4. With Robin Lopez, Oquinn Seraphin Williams & Porzingis figuring to all get playing time at the 4-5 and Cleanthony figuring to be the primary 3 backup the talent levels should probably dictate cleanthony's minutes being bumped in favor of getting Williams and Porzingis minutes behind Carmelo.
Do we have enough for a max next year or would we have to
depends on the player (different guys have different max salaries). If it's a veteran, yes we'd have to trim a little bit of money. Worst case, they can use the stretch provision on Calderon. If he's healthy though, I think he's going to have a pretty good season and he should have value to a contender.
I think they want to go more small ball with Dudley and even Porter at the 4. They have humphries, nene, Blair, gooden, nene and Gortat at the big spots already.
I think he wanted a better shot at more minutes...
I'm kinda torn to see him go. I really liked his low post game. His offense is surprisingly versatile near the hoop. On the flip side, I question is overall ball IQ. Lots of quick and cheap fouls, prone to TOs, and his defense can be lacking at times. I wish him the best in NY.
We can have up to 20 for camp. I think the list above is a pretty solid 14 and the rest will fight it out for the remaining spot, with the numbers suggesting it will be a PG.
include Vujacic because I feel like he still has to earn his spot on the team. Non-guaranteed contract, away for a few years, it wouldn't surprise me if they keep Wear or someone else over him. Though, I'm hoping he plays well.
If Williams &/Or Aflalo do not opt out, then we do not have enough for the Max. I'd be surprised if Williams opts out. I don't see him getting that much money from another team unless his year far exceeds my expectations.
I think I read with them in, we have 19 million. A lot, but not enough to offer a Max. Don't quote me on that number.
So that would be one spot left unless im forgetting someone. I really think that Seraphin can earn a starting spot over Williams. He is more of a Center but can def play PF.
As I've said before, all I know about him is that he has a deadly hookshot that he doesnt use enough. And we ABSOLUTELY needed another body at center. It's still very dicey for 48 minutes of RoLo gets hurt.
His traditional stats are much better than his advanced stats though. Nothing he's done indicates that he's a guy like KOQ who just needs an opportunity to run.
if anyone who's worth one wants to play here next summer.
They would have to make some moves, first. Or players would have to opt out. But you're right, teams usually figure this kind of thing out if they think they can land a guy.
I have concerns that his head isnt totally in the game. He needs work on his body, and after 5 years as a pro athlete that's concerning. And he appears way too devoted to social media. It was newsworthy that he deleted his Instagram account.
Maybe the UFA experience will wake him up. This is a big paycut for him, and we're not the team that brought him into this world (some guys dont get serious until they have to internalize that this is really a profession).
I have concerns that his head isnt totally in the game. He needs work on his body, and after 5 years as a pro athlete that's concerning. And he appears way too devoted to social media. It was newsworthy that he deleted his Instagram account.
Maybe the UFA experience will wake him up. This is a big paycut for him, and we're not the team that brought him into this world (some guys dont get serious until they have to internalize that this is really a profession).
I could be off base.
But the risk is minimal. A one year deal worth 2.8 million. Are we getting anybody better with that money? Likely not. Plus, he is there for depth. I think it's a good move even if we confirm all those issues are true.
this would be a really good "trade." He certainly has the shooting skills, and maybe the defense. They badly needed another backup shooter with Shved gone. Letting Shved go opened up the cap slot for Seraphin, so this could work out really well if Vujacic has enough left.
Really happy to see them add another true center. The depth beyond the first 8 is really solid now. Thomas and Amundsen can keep each other company at the back end of the bench. With all of this depth, it should be easier to keep Melo fresh.
But the risk is minimal. A one year deal worth 2.8 million. Are we getting anybody better with that money? Likely not. Plus, he is there for depth. I think it's a good move even if we confirm all those issues are true.
Absolutely, super low risk. The risk is (1) he isnt a capable injury replacement -- i.e. he cant be counted on to fill the minutes should RoLo get hurt, and (2) immaturity can wear off on other players. Interestingly our two rookies are very mature -- Zinga was a pro in Europe and Grant was a senior. Early worries me (even at 24), and Williams befuddles me. He seems like a great guy, but given his attitude, athletic skills, and college performance, his lack of success is somewhat hard to understand.
who attracted a lot of positive comments here (I saw him play one game, looked very athletic and savvy) sign elsewhere? Lots of wondering here why Knicks didn't offer him a contract in the days following end of SL. His agent said there was interest by "a number of teams".
Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
who attracted a lot of positive comments here (I saw him play one game, looked very athletic and savvy) sign elsewhere? Lots of wondering here why Knicks didn't offer him a contract in the days following end of SL. His agent said there was interest by "a number of teams".
Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
if Anthony is his usual ball stopping all I care about is my numbers so I'm an All Star, the Knicks are going to suck. But if Anthony buys in and moves the ball and worries about winning instead of his own numbers and things break right the Knicks can go from 17 to 40 wins. Gee I wonder how that's going to play out.
The Knicks were too slow to respond. Ndour is talented, but slotted as a smallish pf--6'9" and thin. Couldn't play the 3. The question was partly where he would find PT with the Knicks, who are pretty full up at the 4, particularly with Melo likely to play some there. Zinger, O'Quinn, Williams, Melo didn't leave much room.
I really wouldn't be surprised with Grant getting some pt with the first team, and Vujacic with the second, assuming he has anything left. They need a three pint shooter with the second squad, and hopefully Vujacic can be that.
I really wouldn't be surprised with Grant getting some pt with the first team, and Vujacic with the second, assuming he has anything left. They need a three pint shooter with the second squad, and hopefully Vujacic can be that.
I think Calderon starts because it is going to be a very veteran laden starting lineup and Porzingis...with Porzingis he and Calderon can run that pick and pop to set him up...Calderon ran that very well with Bargnani in Toronto and really helped Bargs get open looks..
I think Grant with the second unit allows him to get out and just go score, he can push the pace with Galloway and Williams or run the half court pick and roll or pop with Oquinn and Seraphin...Grant with the ball in his hands is better than playing off the ball with Melo...
if the Knicks make the playoffs -- 7th or 8th seed -- and get quickly eliminated in the first round -- does Melo view this as progress? Or does he feel his biological clock ticking and decide he wants to play for a team closer to a title?
I think he asks for a trade next offseason and almost every team will have the cap space to absorb his contract.
if the Knicks make the playoffs -- 7th or 8th seed -- and get quickly eliminated in the first round -- does Melo view this as progress? Or does he feel his biological clock ticking and decide he wants to play for a team closer to a title?
I think he asks for a trade next offseason and almost every team will have the cap space to absorb his contract.
If Knicks make the playoffs and Melo plays well in the system, Knicks will have a good shot at attracting more players with more cap space that they have...
If Knicks make the playoffs Melo is not leaving...
If they miss the playoffs and the team plays horrible then i could see Melo asking for a trade other than that i think he stays and sticks with the plan...
Moreover, ignoring the cap, go look at which teams Melo would consider waiving his no-trade clause to go to, and ask yourself (1) who are the young pieces they have to trade that would entice the Knicks, and (2) would they want to trade those young pieces to NY for Melo.
It's a lot harder than you think. His wife doesnt want to go to some markets. We arent taking 2 bigs off Philly for Melo. Who says no to a Melo-D'Angelo Russell+ deal? Do the Bulls move Mirotic and is he a decent fit with Porz (doesnt matter; you take him anyway)?
A lot of teams are gutted out of young talent. And then there are a lot of warehouses for recent lottery picks, of differing quality/success (MIN, PHI, UTA...). It's a function of bad recent drafts and imbalance between the conferences -- the West is an arms race while the East is a race to the bottom.
Knicks arent trading Melo without getting one young starter with star upside back, plus another piece or two. And Melo isnt waiving his NTC to go to a team that has those pieces and might consider it. Not sure who fits the sweet spot, but there are at most just a few of those teams and they'd have to want to do it (no sure thing).
Zinger will be close to star status, especially on offense, even if his defense lags a bit longer. So if the Knicks can come up with a bona fide max cap player next summer, that would mean three very high quality players including Melo. Melo doesn't leave that.
UFAs next summer dont look so hot. Durant and Horford, sure. 3rd best is Conley IMO, followed by Batum.
My gut tells me that Horford resigns long term, and Durant resigns in OKC on a 2 or 3 year deal (either way, the final season will be a player option, so he's a FA again in 1-2 years).
Yes, it's unlikely that they will find a bona fide max player to come
who attracted a lot of positive comments here (I saw him play one game, looked very athletic and savvy) sign elsewhere? Lots of wondering here why Knicks didn't offer him a contract in the days following end of SL. His agent said there was interest by "a number of teams".
Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
Ndour - signed with Mavs
thanks, BeerFridge and ManhGeorge, cogent analysis
Calderon, Melo, ROLO, Zinger, Galloway, Grant, Amundson,Early, Seraphin, Afflalo, Williams, O'Quinn, Thomas.
So Camp will determine the other two? or is another signing on the horizon?
Calderon/Grant/
AA/Galloway/Vujacic
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/KP/Amundson
Lopez/Oquinn/Seraphin
So that would be one spot left unless im forgetting someone. I really think that Seraphin can earn a starting spot over Williams. He is more of a Center but can def play PF.
Cap jumps up $20M next year so I'm pretty sure we do, especially if Afflalo and Williams opt out (which is very likely).
depends on the player (different guys have different max salaries). If it's a veteran, yes we'd have to trim a little bit of money. Worst case, they can use the stretch provision on Calderon. If he's healthy though, I think he's going to have a pretty good season and he should have value to a contender.
I think they want to go more small ball with Dudley and even Porter at the 4. They have humphries, nene, Blair, gooden, nene and Gortat at the big spots already.
If Williams &/Or Aflalo do not opt out, then we do not have enough for the Max. I'd be surprised if Williams opts out. I don't see him getting that much money from another team unless his year far exceeds my expectations.
I think I read with them in, we have 19 million. A lot, but not enough to offer a Max. Don't quote me on that number.
Calderon/Grant/
AA/Galloway/Vujacic
Melo/Early/Thomas
Williams/KP/Amundson
Lopez/Oquinn/Seraphin
So that would be one spot left unless im forgetting someone. I really think that Seraphin can earn a starting spot over Williams. He is more of a Center but can def play PF.
Marquis Teague!
I think anywhere between the 5-8 seed is a possibility depending on health, development of Grant and Zing, etc.
That would be a nice first step in the process, and really, without a 1st rounder next year, a must.
His traditional stats are much better than his advanced stats though. Nothing he's done indicates that he's a guy like KOQ who just needs an opportunity to run.
They would have to make some moves, first. Or players would have to opt out. But you're right, teams usually figure this kind of thing out if they think they can land a guy.
Me too. He does nothing particularly well except run the Triangle. He appears to be smart, but that doesn't help with talent.
I wouldn't keep him if it were me, but it wouldn't surprise me if he and someone else is on the roster over Vujicic.
Maybe the UFA experience will wake him up. This is a big paycut for him, and we're not the team that brought him into this world (some guys dont get serious until they have to internalize that this is really a profession).
I could be off base.
Maybe the UFA experience will wake him up. This is a big paycut for him, and we're not the team that brought him into this world (some guys dont get serious until they have to internalize that this is really a profession).
I could be off base.
But the risk is minimal. A one year deal worth 2.8 million. Are we getting anybody better with that money? Likely not. Plus, he is there for depth. I think it's a good move even if we confirm all those issues are true.
"But apparently, New York went all-in on Vujacic sight unseen, and fully guaranteed his contract for next season."
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Really happy to see them add another true center. The depth beyond the first 8 is really solid now. Thomas and Amundsen can keep each other company at the back end of the bench. With all of this depth, it should be easier to keep Melo fresh.
But the risk is minimal. A one year deal worth 2.8 million. Are we getting anybody better with that money? Likely not. Plus, he is there for depth. I think it's a good move even if we confirm all those issues are true.
Absolutely, super low risk. The risk is (1) he isnt a capable injury replacement -- i.e. he cant be counted on to fill the minutes should RoLo get hurt, and (2) immaturity can wear off on other players. Interestingly our two rookies are very mature -- Zinga was a pro in Europe and Grant was a senior. Early worries me (even at 24), and Williams befuddles me. He seems like a great guy, but given his attitude, athletic skills, and college performance, his lack of success is somewhat hard to understand.
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Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
Ndour - signed with Mavs
Calderon
Afflalo
Melo
Porzingis
Lopez
Let him play in a good veteran starting lineup and not have to worry about carrying the bench...
Bench:
Grant
Galloway
Wiliams
Oquinn
Seraphin
Is a good bench in my opinion that is tough and defensive minded...
Grant can go out and try to be the scoring punch off the bench with Galloway...
I think Calderon starts because it is going to be a very veteran laden starting lineup and Porzingis...with Porzingis he and Calderon can run that pick and pop to set him up...Calderon ran that very well with Bargnani in Toronto and really helped Bargs get open looks..
I think Grant with the second unit allows him to get out and just go score, he can push the pace with Galloway and Williams or run the half court pick and roll or pop with Oquinn and Seraphin...Grant with the ball in his hands is better than playing off the ball with Melo...
I think he asks for a trade next offseason and almost every team will have the cap space to absorb his contract.
So that would be one spot left unless im forgetting someone.
Oh, you're forgetting someone alright....
I think he asks for a trade next offseason and almost every team will have the cap space to absorb his contract.
If Knicks make the playoffs and Melo plays well in the system, Knicks will have a good shot at attracting more players with more cap space that they have...
If Knicks make the playoffs Melo is not leaving...
If they miss the playoffs and the team plays horrible then i could see Melo asking for a trade other than that i think he stays and sticks with the plan...
It's a lot harder than you think. His wife doesnt want to go to some markets. We arent taking 2 bigs off Philly for Melo. Who says no to a Melo-D'Angelo Russell+ deal? Do the Bulls move Mirotic and is he a decent fit with Porz (doesnt matter; you take him anyway)?
A lot of teams are gutted out of young talent. And then there are a lot of warehouses for recent lottery picks, of differing quality/success (MIN, PHI, UTA...). It's a function of bad recent drafts and imbalance between the conferences -- the West is an arms race while the East is a race to the bottom.
My gut tells me that Horford resigns long term, and Durant resigns in OKC on a 2 or 3 year deal (either way, the final season will be a player option, so he's a FA again in 1-2 years).
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who attracted a lot of positive comments here (I saw him play one game, looked very athletic and savvy) sign elsewhere? Lots of wondering here why Knicks didn't offer him a contract in the days following end of SL. His agent said there was interest by "a number of teams".
Sorry, I don't remember his name, believe he comes out of W Africa, and plays either SF or SG.
Ndour - signed with Mavs
thanks, BeerFridge and ManhGeorge, cogent analysis