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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/4/2015 1:50 pm
Interesting read...
Difference between Dallas Cowboys and Giants practice? Dwayne Harris says 'Boys just ... argue - ( New Window )
This has a positive spin for the Giants but ...  
robbieballs2003 : 8/4/2015 2:00 pm : link
I don't know if it is a compliment saying that the Cowboys practices are more intense and our practices are more fun.
I don't think the intense part  
Gman11 : 8/4/2015 3:17 pm : link
was meant to be a good thing. The way I read it was that intense was more like uptight. People are fighting with each other. He didn't mean that they were practicing all out the and the Giants don't. He meant that the Cowboys fight with each other and the Giants players get along (for the most part).
Sounded  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/4/2015 3:32 pm : link
like the Cowboys are tougher than the Giants
Not tougher  
Gman11 : 8/4/2015 3:41 pm : link
Less disciplined.
right  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/4/2015 3:42 pm : link
they've been less disciplined and kicking the giants asses for a few years now.

Some of you sound like you've never played sports before. Teams that push each other in practice are better for it. Competition is a great thing.
Because  
Gman11 : 8/4/2015 3:52 pm : link
fighting with your teammates is a good thing.

Instead of having rookies stand up and sing they just ought put them in the ring and duke it out. That'll toughen them up.
I am so glad that this writer  
big_blue : 8/4/2015 3:55 pm : link
brings up that the cowboys promoted the fight w/ dez on there website.
I think its absurd that they would do that.


Interesting...  
trueblueinpw : 8/4/2015 4:00 pm : link
I agree, it sounds like we're pussies. Giants have lacked toughness in games. Lacked discipline too. I hope the whole team plays with a lot more nasty this season. Not cheap shots like a Jeff Fischer or Greg Williams type team, but toughness nasty O and D line play, tough physical players that bring the pain. Kind of like when Big Jake used to run over defensive players. It would pick up the whole team.
considering all this supposed dysfunction  
Enzo : 8/4/2015 4:22 pm : link
in our division, we sure have a tough time beating these teams...even when they're not any good.
I dont get it...  
GloryDayz : 8/4/2015 4:35 pm : link
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"[In Dallas] it's a lot of just ... arguing. There is always arguing. People [are] always arguing. And here, we have a good time, we have fun, go out and have practice as professionals.

"In Dallas, it's more intense. There is a lot more buildup. We do one-on-ones or defense vs. offense. I think there is more intensity there. This is more professional. Everyone is trying to keep each other safe."


How could "arguing" be interpreted as a good thing, and "more professional" interpreted as bad?

This is a positive review for the Giants... thats the only way I see it.
I'm with GloryDayz, I'm not sure whats unclear  
ChaChing : 8/4/2015 4:46 pm : link
Harris says the Cowboys situation is undisciplined. Dallas is always arguing / it's intense (not in a good way) while NYG is fun yet professional. All support to saying "I love the way we practice" re: NYG

We could debate if it needs to be a little less fun & more intense I guess. Of course I'd find it hard to believe a TC run system is "not intense enough." Neither Ranaan nor Harris implied anything negative for NY tho
Think Coughlin and his  
TMS : 8/4/2015 4:48 pm : link
Coaches have more control of the Giant players regarding fighting etc than Jason Garett and his staff. Jones is also a lot different than Mara and Tisch. Does not mean shit if they have better personnel (or less key injuries) though. They are the team to beat again.
I think somebody could..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/4/2015 4:52 pm : link
come on and say the Giants were the best team in the NFL to play for and people would find ways to rip it apart.

"Liking a team means it is too easy"
"But how many NHL teams are better"?
"That's just the reporter's spin."
The Coughlin asshole tax. Yeah, that's the ticket".
This has not been  
Joey in VA : 8/4/2015 4:53 pm : link
A physical team in quite a few years, this IMO shows a little bit of why. Teams take their cues from their leaders and for all his Gingery annoyingness, Garrett is a young guy who was molded by old school coaches and loves to preach toughness. He has that mindset, his DC has that mindset and it shows.

I'd put Garrett on the short list of guys I'd love to see coaching this team, he seems to get it now.
Have you guys watched TC run a practice  
nyynyg : 8/4/2015 4:55 pm : link
or when he is mic'd up.

the practice is not easy, he is yelling out there, he is commenting on everything down to what flavor gum people are chewing and if they are not hustling to get their water.

Harris' comment about intense was more about it being stressful and there not being as much camaraderie and professionalism (approaching the task at hand).

Now the Cowboys are typically pretty good so i don't know if there is a lot to poke holes at there either though.
Giants have appeared soft for years  
Giants2012 : 8/4/2015 4:57 pm : link
Not saying the Cowboys arguing and brawling makes them tough but we all know how soft the Giants have played for years.
For the record  
Joey in VA : 8/4/2015 4:59 pm : link
I don't view Garrett as superior to TC right now, but the gap is closing. That team is still a little bit wild at times, but it was close to a run last year and they have everyone back they need to save DeMarco Murray.

TC hearing those comments about how fun and easy practice is would make his ears bleed.
RE: Have you guys watched TC run a practice  
Big Blue '56 : 8/4/2015 5:04 pm : link
In comment 12401914 nyynyg said:
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or when he is mic'd up.

the practice is not easy, he is yelling out there, he is commenting on everything down to what flavor gum people are chewing and if they are not hustling to get their water.

Harris' comment about intense was more about it being stressful and there not being as much camaraderie and professionalism (approaching the task at hand).

Now the Cowboys are typically pretty good so i don't know if there is a lot to poke holes at there either though.


This
I'll have to listen to that podcast later  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/4/2015 5:22 pm : link
and see if there is any more clarification ie follow questions or what not.
I don't think this is a thing, BUT:  
81_Great_Dane : 8/4/2015 5:36 pm : link
Coughlin's Giants teams have sometimes appeared to play without much passion. There's reason to think that's in part because of his coaching style and the type of player he favors. TC's approach is mentally very demanding. Guys who aren't heady have trouble keeping up. When it comes to players, he prefers good citizens who are very disciplined -- guys with a sort of military style. (Sort of the polar opposite of the old "Just win, baby" Raiders.) TC himself isn't a whip-them-to-a-frenzy kind of guy. I think he relies on the team leaders among the players to do that.

Remember that Michael Strahan said the Giants need an "asshole"? The Cowboys seem to have lots of assholes, but are learning to harness the asshole-ery. The Giants still seem to lack assholes, but seem to be trying to develop some. (Justin Pugh seems to be trying to fill that role.)
Giants are in rebuilding mode  
bc4life : 8/4/2015 5:52 pm : link
probably hit bottom in 2013 and still almost beat Cowboys last year - just couldn't make a stop when they needed to.

Giants practices have been run by TC for a while now - this team was physical when it had the tough horses to make that happen. Those guys got old but following TC's regimen they were playing tough, winning football.

you can be a solid citizen  
bc4life : 8/4/2015 5:55 pm : link
and a tough bastard on the field - how many times did you ever hear of Mike Singletary getting into trouble off the field or Ronnie Lott. Same-same Harry Carson.

81 great dane  
bc4life : 8/4/2015 5:58 pm : link
I think TC tries to motivate them - not sure he always connects (e.g., military references). I wonder, at least early on, if TC presented things that he thought were motivating. Things that would motivate him but might miss the mark w/today's players?
at  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/4/2015 6:24 pm : link
the same time, TC led teams have gone into Dallas, Green Bay, San Francisco, and New England and punched those teams in the mouth.
any advantage TC had over other coaches  
SHO'NUFF : 8/4/2015 7:04 pm : link
in terms of work ethic all went away with the new CBA.
I stopped reading here...  
Mike in Philly : 8/4/2015 8:29 pm : link
Quote:
"They haven't won a Super Bowl in the 21st century. They're the kind of organization that signs defensive end Greg Hardy, a domestic abuser..."


Giants Cowboys has become really annoying.  
St. Jimmy : 8/4/2015 8:42 pm : link
The Giants do a lot of talking and then lose. Not as bad as the first Eagles game but still annoying.
As far as physical play,  
Simms11 : 8/4/2015 9:03 pm : link
I think the Giants are going to bring it this year. Guys like Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, Beason, Kennard, Collins and Andre Williams will bring it IMO. Miss that Jacobs and Bradshaw run you over mentality. I think we will see more of it this year however.

I also think the Giants are awfully sick of getting guys injured in practice only to end up missing valuable playing time. They are probably being a little more careful in practice now, as well.

There's plenty of intensity on this team, they just need to stay on the field to show it.
RE: Giants Cowboys has become really annoying.  
JOrthman : 8/4/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12402194 St. Jimmy said:
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The Giants do a lot of talking and then lose. Not as bad as the first Eagles game but still annoying.


That would be a correct statement in some cases, but Harris was a Cowboy and is now here. So, its not like he just suddently learned to talk. You have to take these interviews with a grain of salt. Every teams beat reporters ask these questions of the new FA player.
Want a tougher more physical team draft  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/4/2015 11:50 pm : link
Those type of players. No coach no matter how good can toughen up guys who don't have it in them. Some guys are great but just aren't as mean or as tough. Doesn't mean they aren't NFL level but Reese and his guys seemed to literally avoid those types. Flowers is supposedly a tough mean dude. We need more of those
RE: I don't think this is a thing, BUT:  
Bill in UT : 8/5/2015 12:20 am : link
In comment 12401979 81_Great_Dane said:
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Remember that Michael Strahan said the Giants need an "asshole"? The Cowboys seem to have lots of assholes, but are learning to harness the asshole-ery. The Giants still seem to lack assholes, but seem to be trying to develop some. (Justin Pugh seems to be trying to fill that role.)


I think Damontre Moore could easily take on the asshole role if TC would let him.
RE: RE: Giants Cowboys has become really annoying.  
St. Jimmy : 8/5/2015 5:24 am : link
In comment 12402232 JOrthman said:
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In comment 12402194 St. Jimmy said:


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The Giants do a lot of talking and then lose. Not as bad as the first Eagles game but still annoying.



That would be a correct statement in some cases, but Harris was a Cowboy and is now here. So, its not like he just suddently learned to talk. You have to take these interviews with a grain of salt. Every teams beat reporters ask these questions of the new FA player.
I guess I was a little off topic. I don't look at this as Harris running his mouth. I was pointing to the Giants running their mouth Monday through pregame and then losing. That is really tiring to me. I was able to live with it during the Superbowl run because they were winning but now it is really lame. At least back up the crap coming out of your mouth. I think JPP was a source of this so I guess we won't be hearing it this year.
It's always fun  
an_idol_mind : 8/5/2015 6:47 am : link
how when the Cowboys have a good season, some folks around here act like they're a model that should be followed.

Dallas has been one of the most consistently mediocre NFL franchises since the late 90s.
RE: It's always fun  
NoPeanutz : 8/5/2015 8:17 am : link
In comment 12402542 an_idol_mind said:
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how when the Cowboys have a good season, some folks around here act like they're a model that should be followed.

Dallas has been one of the most consistently mediocre NFL franchises since the late 90s.

And the Giants have been one of the softest NFL franchises the last three years.
Gotta get out ahead of this now and fire Coughlin.  
arcarsenal : 8/5/2015 8:17 am : link
Huge red flag.
RE: RE: It's always fun  
Curtis in VA : 8/5/2015 8:44 am : link
In comment 12402585 NoPeanutz said:
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In comment 12402542 an_idol_mind said:


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how when the Cowboys have a good season, some folks around here act like they're a model that should be followed.

Dallas has been one of the most consistently mediocre NFL franchises since the late 90s.


And the Giants have been one of the softest NFL franchises the last three years.


You are both correct.
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