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sshin05 : 8/4/2015 3:40 pm
New York Mets
Tonight's lineup:

@cgrand3 RF
@ynscspds LF
Uribe 3B
Duda 1B
@TdArnaud C
Flores 2B
Tejada SS
Niese P
@juanlagares2 CF
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On SNY  
steve in ky : 8/4/2015 6:01 pm : link
They just said that Cespedes said today that he would like to remain a Met for a long, long time.

At least he seems open to the idea of accepting an offer without testing the market.

Ball is in the Mets court.
RE: Well just off the bat  
Metnut : 8/4/2015 6:02 pm : link
In comment 12402016 ZGiants98 said:
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If Cespedes can stick in CF it makes his value you go up a ton. He also might be more amenable to a lesser deal length wise. Im thinking 6 years max for Cespedes while Upton might get 7 or 8.

If Granderson is getting 15 million a year I think Cespedes is worth 22/23. Id go 6/135. That would be a very respectable offer. If he truly loves NY and everything that comes with it I think he takes it. If he wants much more than that I won't have an issue with him walking . We'll have other options.


I think that's close but it'll take 6/$143M or or maybe 7/$158M to get him to sign.
I can't give a a 30 year old  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 6:08 pm : link
a 7 year deal in the post steroid era. I just can't. Granderson is a very in shape, healthy 34 year old and everyone thinks he's ancient and can't wait to dump him.

6 is absolutely as high as I would go for Cespedes.
RE: whoa~!  
Canton : 8/4/2015 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12401894 sshin05 said:
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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN
Yoenis Cespedes said he doesn't know what front office thinking but he'd like to be Met for "long, long time."


He's now seen our pitching in living color. He would be a fool, not to see the potential here, for championships and marketing deals. He knows he's a major component to the the puzzle, in taking this team from being a cast of pretenders to contenders, in a very short period of time.

Awesome to hear that from Cespedes  
NYMase : 8/4/2015 6:12 pm : link
It'll be interesting to see if they decide to throw money at him or go after Upton this offseason to add to the Norfolk Crew
Win a World Series  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 6:12 pm : link
and we'll back up the Brinks Truck. ;)
I'm not sure Fred can afford to rent The Brink's Truck...  
Torrag : 8/4/2015 6:27 pm : link
...never mind buy it outright. The difference between ponying up $10M for rentals in a playoff race and a massive $135m+ contract commitment is night and day.

Maybe if we walk away from enough salary this offseason they can reallocate enough money to make a big splash in free agency.

Duda and Harvey are getting significant raises in arbitration even if we let everyone else walk. Subtract Murphy/Parnell/Gee/Uribe/Johnson/Clippard/Tejada and it seems plausible overall. of course other moves will have to be made to shore up some roster spots and the bench. If Cespedes proves to be a legit CF option Lagares becomes expendable.

This season is the focus and priority right now. Sandy will have a lot of flexibility to reshape this club in the offseason.
RE: Funny how that works.  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2015 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12402008 ZGiants98 said:
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Heading into June... Upton was getting 200 Million and Cespedes was getting 100. lol. Then Upton goes 0 for 2 months and Cespedes explodes. Amazing how quick perceptions change. Lets see how he does here and how he finishes. Lot of season left and Cespedes is streaky too by all accounts. .


Massive, massive difference. The Mets need to offer enough where he doesn't even test the market. He doesn't get to find out if there is a "ridiculous" offer like Cano with Seattle. There is almost no chance you get any of the "the market is tepid" bounce back where u get a sweet deal... you are licking his balls so he doesn't get to meet other girls.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2015 6:34 pm : link
CJ Nitkowski ‏@CJNitkowski 2m2 minutes ago
Noah Syndergaard's current 5:1 K:BB ratio is 7th all time among rookies with at least 80IP.
Cespedes  
steve in ky : 8/4/2015 6:34 pm : link
Should spend a couple hours walking around Manhattan with a Keith Hernandez to get a taste of how sweet it is to be a key leader helping bring a championship to the Mets even thirty years later.





In  
DanMetroMan : 8/4/2015 6:35 pm : link
case there was any doubt... Collins is NOT happy with Montero.
RE: In  
steve in ky : 8/4/2015 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12402065 DanMetroMan said:
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case there was any doubt... Collins is NOT happy with Montero.


What is happening with that?
On the other hand...  
Torrag : 8/4/2015 6:40 pm : link
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There is almost no chance you get any of the "the market is tepid" bounce back where u get a sweet deal... you are licking his balls so he doesn't get to meet other girls.


...Few markets offer the earning power and ancillary benefits NY provides. If contending for titles is a priority for him our pitching staff is a rare commodity.

So maybe...just maybe there is some flexibility in not requiring the Mets to go well above perceived market value.
RE: On the other hand...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/4/2015 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12402069 Torrag said:
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There is almost no chance you get any of the "the market is tepid" bounce back where u get a sweet deal... you are licking his balls so he doesn't get to meet other girls.



...Few markets offer the earning power and ancillary benefits NY provides. If contending for titles is a priority for him our pitching staff is a rare commodity.

So maybe...just maybe there is some flexibility in not requiring the Mets to go well above perceived market value.


That was true in the old days. You can be a star at a star's pay grade anywhere now. That's been well demonstrated in sports over recent years. And you can do it in places that don't take nearly 9% of it from you in taxes.
RE: RE: Funny how that works.  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 7:12 pm : link
In comment 12402061 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12402008 ZGiants98 said:


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Heading into June... Upton was getting 200 Million and Cespedes was getting 100. lol. Then Upton goes 0 for 2 months and Cespedes explodes. Amazing how quick perceptions change. Lets see how he does here and how he finishes. Lot of season left and Cespedes is streaky too by all accounts. .



Massive, massive difference. The Mets need to offer enough where he doesn't even test the market. He doesn't get to find out if there is a "ridiculous" offer like Cano with Seattle. There is almost no chance you get any of the "the market is tepid" bounce back where u get a sweet deal... you are licking his balls so he doesn't get to meet other girls.


Yeah for me though thats not how I would approach it. I don't want to offer him such a big deal that he doesn't think twice about F/A. That's not Sandy's style or very likely IMO. To me its about offering him a fair deal and all about whether or not he truly loves NY. If he does, it gives us a shot. If he wants us to wright him a blank check to keep in from free agency I don't think thats going to work.
I get what your saying  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 7:14 pm : link
though.
Well there's a hit  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 7:15 pm : link
off a lefty.
Flores still getting  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 7:23 pm : link
ovations in Miami.
whats the over/under  
spike : 8/4/2015 7:41 pm : link
on the inning where Hand gets pulled?
5  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 7:44 pm : link
And Im taking the under.
Unbelievable.  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 7:56 pm : link
I feel like fielders ALWAYS make those catches against us.
come on  
spike : 8/4/2015 8:01 pm : link
get some runs in!
71 pitches through 3  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 8:02 pm : link
Might have nothing to show for it but this scrub will be out soon.
Time to get it going here  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 8:31 pm : link
Gotta admit it would be nice to have Wright and Cuddyer back on a night like this. Lets get this punk!
byebye  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 8:31 pm : link
Hand. The under wins!
Aloha  
pjcas18 : 8/4/2015 8:35 pm : link
Mr. Hand
Well this game  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 8:38 pm : link
is annoying.
Was that Piazza with Eddie Trunk?  
schabadoo : 8/4/2015 8:50 pm : link
Looked pale and doughy enough.
RE: Was that Piazza with Eddie Trunk?  
feelflows : 8/4/2015 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12402200 schabadoo said:
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Looked pale and doughy enough.



awww..why you gotta hate on Eddie? He's a fellow die hard NYG fan.
Tejada has a great approach for a weak hitter  
feelflows : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
watch two strikes go by you and go into a 0-2 hole.

Wilmer!  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
.
Whooooo  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
Flores and Tejady.
Wilma!  
Deej : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
All he does is grow the legend!
RE: Tejada has a great approach for a weak hitter  
feelflows : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12402205 feelflows said:
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watch two strikes go by you and go into a 0-2 hole.


like I said.. brilliant approach.

I will shut up now.
Clutch hit  
Stufftherun : 8/4/2015 8:55 pm : link
and a teriffic slide!
RE: RE: Was that Piazza with Eddie Trunk?  
schabadoo : 8/4/2015 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12402201 feelflows said:
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In comment 12402200 schabadoo said:


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Looked pale and doughy enough.




awww..why you gotta hate on Eddie? He's a fellow die hard NYG fan.


Love me some Trunk.

He is a radio guy. They're like vampires.
also  
feelflows : 8/4/2015 8:56 pm : link
I'm shocked with 2 outs they pitched to Tejada, as weak as he is.

man on 2nd, pitch around him and pitch to Niese.

glad they didn't.
RE: Tejada has a great approach for a weak hitter  
schabadoo : 8/4/2015 8:57 pm : link
In comment 12402205 feelflows said:
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watch two strikes go by you and go into a 0-2 hole.


For a bad hitter, he works deep into counts. Had a ten pitch at bat a few games back.
RE: also  
schabadoo : 8/4/2015 8:58 pm : link
In comment 12402213 feelflows said:
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I'm shocked with 2 outs they pitched to Tejada, as weak as he is.

man on 2nd, pitch around him and pitch to Niese.

glad they didn't.


Didn't make any sense.

Maybe Niese's hit earlier influenced them?
RE: also  
Stufftherun : 8/4/2015 9:02 pm : link
In comment 12402213 feelflows said:
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I'm shocked with 2 outs they pitched to Tejada, as weak as he is.

man on 2nd, pitch around him and pitch to Niese.

glad they didn't.


They may have been arrogantly looking ahead to the 7th w the possibility of Niese leading off.
Wooo let's go, D-Bags!  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 9:03 pm : link
.
Angel Hernandez  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 9:18 pm : link
Can fucking suck it.
Thank you Jon Niese!  
Deej : 8/4/2015 9:24 pm : link
Brilliant
Nice game Jon  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 9:25 pm : link
Niese.
Niese really deserves a win.  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 9:25 pm : link
The guy can't buy one.
Leaving too many guys on base tonight  
steve in ky : 8/4/2015 9:27 pm : link
Duda should be due for a HR maybe he will take care of it for Niese
Alright boys.. we're cookin.  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 9:30 pm : link
Gotta take the lead here.
Two on for Wilmer  
steve in ky : 8/4/2015 9:30 pm : link
Time to drive in some runs
Here we go  
ZGiants98 : 8/4/2015 9:30 pm : link
Lets go ahead now.
Unreal..  
arcarsenal : 8/4/2015 9:31 pm : link
Why the hell is he bunting?
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