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NFT: HRC scenarios

Hilary : 8/12/2015 6:28 am
Which of these is most likely?

The FBI conducts a thorough review of Ms.Clinton's computer and thumb drive and clears her of destroying or hiding public documents.

The FBI finds evidence of destruction or hiding public documents

This is a sham investigation to allow the justice department to take the email question out of the campaign
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Biden had a two-hour sitdown with Warren yesterday...  
Dunedin81 : 8/23/2015 9:44 am : link
no staff. I think it'll ultimately come down to what sort of donor support he believes he will have, at least in the early going, but I doubt that's a particularly encouraging sign for Hillary.
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If Warren jumped in tomorrow,  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/23/2015 9:48 am : link
she'd be tied with, if not leading, HRC. I really hope Liz gets in, but it looks unlikely.
RE: If Warren jumped in tomorrow,  
Dunedin81 : 8/23/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12431269 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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she'd be tied with, if not leading, HRC. I really hope Liz gets in, but it looks unlikely.


You have tunnel vision. Fauxcohontas appeals to bits and pieces of the Democratic constituency (educated white liberals in particular) but she will not raise money well and what in her perpetually angry demeanor is going to make her empathetic to everyone is in the Democrats' big tent? She might be a viable Veep candidate, especially for a guy like Biden who has less pull within the faculty lounges, but she is not the one to keep the Obama Coalition together.
Now that would be worth a laugh  
Greg from LI : 8/23/2015 9:57 am : link
Hillary's not seen as trustworthy, so replace her with the woman who pretended to be Cherokee for two decades.
RE: RE: If Warren jumped in tomorrow,  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/23/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12431275 Dunedin81 said:
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she'd be tied with, if not leading, HRC. I really hope Liz gets in, but it looks unlikely.



You have tunnel vision. Fauxcohontas appeals to bits and pieces of the Democratic constituency (educated white liberals in particular) but she will not raise money well and what in her perpetually angry demeanor is going to make her empathetic to everyone is in the Democrats' big tent? She might be a viable Veep candidate, especially for a guy like Biden who has less pull within the faculty lounges, but she is not the one to keep the Obama Coalition together.


Perhaps.
RE: If HRC became unviable  
HomerJones45 : 8/23/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12431231 Deej said:
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the Dems have better options than Warren and Biden. They have some governors who could have broad appeal (PA, WV, CO, NY...)
Uncle Joe is an old fashioned pol who is lining up his support before he announces which is why is is talking to Warren. He's no doubt already talked to Obama's people. Watch for several other meetings between Biden and D luminaries in the next month.
New mailer from Jeb's $100+ million Super PAC  
Deej : 8/23/2015 11:04 am : link
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OWA: Check your mailboxes today. Mail piece hitting more than 86k households. #conservativeresultsmatter




This is like the magazine Highlights from the dentist office. Who can spot the problem?
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RE: Biden had a two-hour sitdown with Warren yesterday...  
Bill in UT : 8/23/2015 11:25 am : link
In comment 12431265 Dunedin81 said:
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no staff. ( New Window )


One of the few women who can be alone with him and not have to worry about being molested, lol.
Jeb is a joke  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/23/2015 12:04 pm : link
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Why Jeb are you using Photoshop?  
Watson : 8/23/2015 12:41 pm : link
Nothing like setting up your candidate for a bunch of silliness.
Is that JPP...  
BMac : 8/23/2015 1:18 pm : link
...under there?
RE: The thing that sunk Jimmy Carter  
njm : 8/23/2015 2:11 pm : link
In comment 12431170 Headhunter said:
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was he was 1 helicopter short at the Iranian Embassy


The thing that sunk Jimmy Carter was that he had a Congress, particularly the House, that was so far to the left and so anti-military (both in terms of respect and funding) that being 1 helicopter short would have been normal operating status. Remember, they had enough helicopters on the carrier, it was just that enough of them were in a state of disrepair such that the mission had to be undertaken with no reserve copter.
njm  
Headhunter : 8/23/2015 2:15 pm : link
That was Carter's interview this week revealing he has brain cancer
RE: njm  
njm : 8/23/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12431573 Headhunter said:
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That was Carter's interview this week revealing he has brain cancer


I'm aware of that. He was right in what he said, but was gracious enough not to specify why he was 1 copter short.
RE: I used to have to carry 2 devices  
Sarcastic Sam : 8/23/2015 6:36 pm : link
In comment 12430864 Deej said:
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and I found it to be a pain in the ass. I remember when my old job switched the policy and let people check work email on personal phones. Like half the lawyers had new smart phones within a month.


I find handwashing to be a pain in the ass. Therefore I won't do it before surgery or between patients. There's no law.....
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Big Al : 8/23/2015 7:05 pm : link
In comment 12431984 Sarcastic Sam said:
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and I found it to be a pain in the ass. I remember when my old job switched the policy and let people check work email on personal phones. Like half the lawyers had new smart phones within a month.



I find handwashing to be a pain in the ass. Therefore I won't do it before surgery or between patients. There's no law.....
My Obamacare benefits suck. Do you give a nonsterilization discount?
RE: RE: RE: I used to have to carry 2 devices  
Sarcastic Sam : 8/23/2015 7:13 pm : link
In comment 12432032 Big Al said:
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and I found it to be a pain in the ass. I remember when my old job switched the policy and let people check work email on personal phones. Like half the lawyers had new smart phones within a month.



I find handwashing to be a pain in the ass. Therefore I won't do it before surgery or between patients. There's no law.....

My Obamacare benefits suck. Do you give a nonsterilization discount?


Eh. I still have to wash my hands after....
Scott Walker now supports  
Headhunter : 8/23/2015 7:58 pm : link
birthright law. It's been a tough week for Scottie, all over the map on this issue. We'll see how he feels tomorrow on it
On Morning Joe  
Big Al : 8/24/2015 8:21 am : link
Mika (a liberal) just described the Hillary strategy as depending on people who are not smart. I believe that is often a winning strategy.
That caught  
Big Al : 8/24/2015 9:25 am : link
Other people's attention also. Already posted on internet.
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Not smart or just don't care.  
buford : 8/24/2015 9:33 am : link
People voting for a name or a party without looking at character at all. It's not like HRC doesn't have a track record that you can judge her from. The minions that they have propped up on these shows defending her are pathetic.
RE: That caught  
njm : 8/24/2015 9:35 am : link
In comment 12432576 Big Al said:
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Other people's attention also. Already posted on internet. Link - ( New Window )


And although he will be dismissed by the likes of Dean and Carville as a partisan hack, their interview with Michael Mukasey was even more damning.
RE: Not smart or just don't care.  
Randy in CT : 8/26/2015 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12432591 buford said:
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People voting for a name or a party without looking at character at all. It's not like HRC doesn't have a track record that you can judge her from. The minions that they have propped up on these shows defending her are pathetic.
Great point--doesn't happen to other side. Thanks for all your insight!
RE: RE: Not smart or just don't care.  
section125 : 8/26/2015 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12437085 Randy in CT said:
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People voting for a name or a party without looking at character at all. It's not like HRC doesn't have a track record that you can judge her from. The minions that they have propped up on these shows defending her are pathetic.

Great point--doesn't happen to other side. Thanks for all your insight!


Except that Democrats area always telling the world that they are so much smarter than Republicans. Republicans have accepted that they are not as smart.....
RE: RE: RE: Not smart or just don't care.  
Big Al : 8/26/2015 5:31 pm : link
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People voting for a name or a party without looking at character at all. It's not like HRC doesn't have a track record that you can judge her from. The minions that they have propped up on these shows defending her are pathetic.

Great point--doesn't happen to other side. Thanks for all your insight!



Except that Democrats area always telling the world that they are so much smarter than Republicans. Republicans have accepted that they are not as smart.....
I did read here that there are a few right wingers here who are not crazy or stupid.
RE: RE: RE: Not smart or just don't care.  
Randy in CT : 8/27/2015 9:10 am : link
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People voting for a name or a party without looking at character at all. It's not like HRC doesn't have a track record that you can judge her from. The minions that they have propped up on these shows defending her are pathetic.

Great point--doesn't happen to other side. Thanks for all your insight!



Except that Democrats area always telling the world that they are so much smarter than Republicans. Republicans have accepted that they are not as smart.....
Another excellent point! That happens so often! (Please post any example ever?)
RE: Jeb is a joke  
Randy in CT : 8/27/2015 9:36 am : link
In comment 12431417 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Dude, we need to get you and buford a separate chat room.
So HRC  
dep026 : 8/27/2015 8:55 pm : link
compared GOP's view on abortion to that of Islamic Terrorists.

Ugh.
RE: So HRC  
Bill in UT : 8/27/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12439113 dep026 said:
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compared GOP's view on abortion to that of Islamic Terrorists.

Ugh.


Just trying to avoid a Hitler reference- those never go over well
RE: So HRC  
Big Al : 8/27/2015 9:39 pm : link
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compared GOP's view on abortion to that of Islamic Terrorists.

Ugh.
I doubt if she used the word Islamic.
You're right  
dep026 : 8/27/2015 9:48 pm : link
and thats my fault. She said terrorists group. Which doesnt make it any better.
Taking a page out Trump's playbook  
njm : 8/28/2015 8:33 am : link
But needed notes to do it (see Morning Joe).

So now we have the Clintdashians going against the KarTrumpains and the ghost of Howard Beale is the most important historic figure in this election.
But it does change the subject from the server and FBI  
njm : 8/28/2015 8:48 am : link
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RE: But it does change the subject from the server and FBI  
x meadowlander : 8/28/2015 8:54 am : link
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Yup.

And it's a big point of advantage for her.

Because abortion providers are threatened, clinics are bombed, doctors have been murdered.

That's terrorism, folks.
It's what I've been saying all along...  
x meadowlander : 8/28/2015 8:58 am : link
...it's going to be a HUGE women's rights election.

It wasn't a matter of 'if', it was a matter of 'when' Hillary was going to pull the trigger and begin using this point of attack.

The usage of the term 'Terrorist' isn't some off-handed, Trump-esqe gaffe. That's VERY intentional and the first salvo fired in the REAL Presidential campaign for 2016.

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Bill L : 8/28/2015 8:58 am : link
In comment 12439519 x meadowlander said:
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Yup.

And it's a big point of advantage for her.

Because abortion providers are threatened, clinics are bombed, doctors have been murdered.

That's terrorism, folks.
And you're accusing a specific GOP candidate of this or the RNC in general?
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x meadowlander : 8/28/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12439528 Bill L said:
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Yup.

And it's a big point of advantage for her.

Because abortion providers are threatened, clinics are bombed, doctors have been murdered.

That's terrorism, folks.

And you're accusing a specific GOP candidate of this or the RNC in general?
I'm not accusing anyone.

But it's a fact. You're a hard-line, no exceptions Pro-Lifer who supports minimalizing access to what IS a Constitutional right - you are supporting and enabling people who actually DO partake in what equates to terrorist activities.

The quote: "Now, extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups, we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world, but it's a little hard to take from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States"

So - she's focusing on "Extreme views on women" - but the terrorist terminology has a literal place in the discussion that I've raised here. Hillary didn't go as far as I did, but that is EXACTLY what that language is referencing.
The country is split 47-48%  
buford : 8/28/2015 9:11 am : link
pro-choice/pro-life. Are you saying that 47% of the people who are pro-life are clinic bombing, doctor murdering people? Isn't that like say all Muslims are terrorists?
And I wont even mention  
buford : 8/28/2015 9:12 am : link
how incredibly awful her delivery of that heinous remark was.
RE: RE: But it does change the subject from the server and FBI  
njm : 8/28/2015 9:33 am : link
In comment 12439519 x meadowlander said:
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Yup.

And it's a big point of advantage for her.

Because abortion providers are threatened, clinics are bombed, doctors have been murdered.

That's terrorism, folks.


But none of the Republican candidates have condoned or supported in any way the bombings and murder, none of which have taken place since the campaign season has begun.

So I guess Hillary has joined the gang that couldn't shoot straight. OMG, did I just accuse Hillary of being a gang member?
RE: It's what I've been saying all along...  
njm : 8/28/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12439527 x meadowlander said:
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...it's going to be a HUGE women's rights election.

It wasn't a matter of 'if', it was a matter of 'when' Hillary was going to pull the trigger and begin using this point of attack.

The usage of the term 'Terrorist' isn't some off-handed, Trump-esqe gaffe. That's VERY intentional and the first salvo fired in the REAL Presidential campaign for 2016.



Of course if she too shrill and indiscriminate as far as who she accuses then it could backfire. And remember, what plays in the Northeast and the Left Coast does not always play in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and Colorado.

RE: The country is split 47-48%  
x meadowlander : 8/28/2015 10:02 am : link
In comment 12439565 buford said:
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pro-choice/pro-life. Are you saying that 47% of the people who are pro-life are clinic bombing, doctor murdering people? Isn't that like say all Muslims are terrorists?
No, I'm not saying that, and neither is Hillary.

Not directly. But the implication is there, couched in the language.

She knows exactly what she is doing and the comment was an intentional draw away from the e-mail crap.

This is great  
Headhunter : 8/28/2015 10:08 am : link
Huckabee says Obama is leading The Israelis to the oven. Clinton calls the GOP terrorists. Everyone is wringing their hands and fainting with indignity. Let them keep on heading down the road where Bush calls Trump a stupid mother humper and Sanders calls Hiilary a dumb twat. I love the direction this is all going and we are 15 months away
Well Hillary likened them to terrorists  
buford : 8/28/2015 10:08 am : link
and you brought up the clinic bombing and doctor murders, so you are saying that.

Again, do you think that 47% of people are like terrorists because they are pro-life?
The comment shouldn't be that controversial.  
BeerFridge : 8/28/2015 10:10 am : link
It was a planned comment and pretty fair, IMO. She's not saying pro-lifers are terrorists. Just that the republican candidates for Pres share some the same views of women as religious whacko terrorists. It's an obvious exaggeration but rooted in truth.
RE: The comment shouldn't be that controversial.  
Dunedin81 : 8/28/2015 10:25 am : link
In comment 12439722 BeerFridge said:
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It was a planned comment and pretty fair, IMO. She's not saying pro-lifers are terrorists. Just that the republican candidates for Pres share some the same views of women as religious whacko terrorists. It's an obvious exaggeration but rooted in truth.


Stupid bullshit, no more 'rooted in truth' than comparing Sanger to Himmler because they treated certain people as subhuman.
RE: Well Hillary likened them to terrorists  
x meadowlander : 8/28/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12439718 buford said:
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and you brought up the clinic bombing and doctor murders, so you are saying that.

Again, do you think that 47% of people are like terrorists because they are pro-life?
Of course not!

That isn't the point.

The point is Hillary's usage of the word terrorist and what it suggests. What it implies.

Again, her quote: "Now, extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups, we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world, but it's a little hard to take from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States"

OK, so she's talking about 'extreme views' here.

The rest of it is pretty vanilla excepting one word.

"Terrorist".

So - no - she isn't implying that Pro Lifers are terrorists and neither am I.

But she IS smartly invoking the word to make people remember.

Oh yeah, they bomb abortion clinics here. They murder doctors.

She's linking the Pro-Life movement in general without a direct accusation or even talking directly about the issue.

Expect MUCH more of this in the next year. By November, you'll wish Roe and Wade were both aborted. :)
It's a horrible comment  
buford : 8/28/2015 10:39 am : link
from a horrible person who, like the current President, only wants to divide people and accuse regular people of being terrorists and other idiotic things, simply because they don't agree with her far left agenda. We saw the same when the government was shut down, Republicans were accused of being terrorists for using their Congressional power to stop the out of control spending in this country.

IMO, they are the extremists.
RE: The comment shouldn't be that controversial.  
buford : 8/28/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12439722 BeerFridge said:
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It was a planned comment and pretty fair, IMO. She's not saying pro-lifers are terrorists. Just that the republican candidates for Pres share some the same views of women as religious whacko terrorists. It's an obvious exaggeration but rooted in truth.


So again, being against abortion is equal to being a terrorist?

What R candidate has advocated enslaving women?

Which R candidate has advocated women not drive or vote?

Which R candidate has said that women must be covered from head to toe?

Which R candidate has advocated punishing women who they perceive as an adulterer by beheading?

Those are terrorist positions on women. Not being pro-life.

And yes, but saying that anyone who is pro-life, candidate or not, is equal to a terrorist, she is calling all pro-lifers terrorists.
RE: It's a horrible comment  
Randy in CT : 8/28/2015 10:44 am : link
In comment 12439789 buford said:
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from a horrible person who, like the current President, only wants to divide people and accuse regular people of being terrorists and other idiotic things, simply because they don't agree with her far left agenda. We saw the same when the government was shut down, Republicans were accused of being terrorists for using their Congressional power to stop the out of control spending in this country.

IMO, they are the extremists.
Can we raise money here at BBI to get buford removed from the site?
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