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NFT: HRC scenarios

Hilary : 8/12/2015 6:28 am
Which of these is most likely?

The FBI conducts a thorough review of Ms.Clinton's computer and thumb drive and clears her of destroying or hiding public documents.

The FBI finds evidence of destruction or hiding public documents

This is a sham investigation to allow the justice department to take the email question out of the campaign
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She'll drop out  
NNJ Tom : 8/12/2015 3:40 pm : link
She can't afford to lose an election. Keep an eye out for a previously undetected medical condition if her poll numbers sink lower.

It's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 3:51 pm : link
likely that Justice Department won't proceed on this. They allowed the server and thumb drives to remain in her/her attorney's possession for months. (The e-mails are USG property, not hers). It's unbelievable they weren't seized as soon as it was disclosed (not to get her in trouble, but simply to protect the data).
RE: It's  
Bill L : 8/12/2015 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12414506 Eric from BBI said:
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likely that Justice Department won't proceed on this. They allowed the server and thumb drives to remain in her/her attorney's possession for months. (The e-mails are USG property, not hers). It's unbelievable they weren't seized as soon as it was disclosed (not to get her in trouble, but simply to protect the data).
However the debate ends up on the classified emails, they are known and marked classified at this time. Why isn't Kendall in jeopardy for having classified material on his person?
RE: It's  
buford : 8/12/2015 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12414506 Eric from BBI said:
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likely that Justice Department won't proceed on this. They allowed the server and thumb drives to remain in her/her attorney's possession for months. (The e-mails are USG property, not hers). It's unbelievable they weren't seized as soon as it was disclosed (not to get her in trouble, but simply to protect the data).


How much you want to bet there is something about Obama on there, maybe even regarding Benghazi (Trey Gowdy said there were no emails for that time period included in the ones Clinton turned over) and he will squash it at the DOJ.
Bill  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 3:59 pm : link
the whole thing is VERY bizarre.

At the very least, everything should have been given to State as soon as this came out simply to protect the data.

This could be life and death stuff. What if one cable - for example - had information on Iranian domestic opposition.

If the server has indeed been hacked by the Chinese and Russians - as has been speculated - and they give that info to the Iranians, those people are dead.
buford  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:00 pm : link
The worst case nightmare scenario is the Russians or Chinese using this info to blackmail Hilliary.
RE: RE: It's  
Randy in CT : 8/12/2015 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12414517 buford said:
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In comment 12414506 Eric from BBI said:


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likely that Justice Department won't proceed on this. They allowed the server and thumb drives to remain in her/her attorney's possession for months. (The e-mails are USG property, not hers). It's unbelievable they weren't seized as soon as it was disclosed (not to get her in trouble, but simply to protect the data).



How much you want to bet there is something about Obama on there, maybe even regarding Benghazi (Trey Gowdy said there were no emails for that time period included in the ones Clinton turned over) and he will squash it at the DOJ.
A caricature of herself, this buford has become.
RE: buford  
buford : 8/12/2015 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12414520 Eric from BBI said:
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The worst case nightmare scenario is the Russians or Chinese using this info to blackmail Hilliary.


Well she's already ok'ed the sale of uranium to the Russians (after receiving donations for the Clinton Foundation, of course). I think there are many people who could blackmail her. And the Chinese are probably reading everyone's email.
Sweet Baby  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:09 pm : link
Jesus
...  
rut17 : 8/12/2015 4:14 pm : link
Grab your tin foil hats and popcorn.
The Chinese do have them, that's indisputable  
Bill L : 8/12/2015 4:15 pm : link
I'm calling on them to release more Kate Upton pics.
Headhunter/rut17  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:16 pm : link
With all due respect, what reasons would HRC have the server (which she new was illegal), not turn it over, and then wipe it clean?

Just for shits and giggles?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:16 pm : link
knew
again....debating with Headhunter is like debating a pile of bricks  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2015 4:17 pm : link
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Eric  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:19 pm : link
If she committed a crime by all means have her indicted and tried. I have 0 issues of that is the case. But reading buford going down the rabbit hole to insanity. Waiting for her to take the next step and accuse her of Treason and demand she be shot at sunrise
Greg  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:20 pm : link
try making a living and support your family. It's more important than following me around, it really is
I do enjoy this new little tactic of yours  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2015 4:22 pm : link
a)It's amusing coming from a guy who posts more than I do
b)It's also amusing that you decided this out of nowehere, based on absolutely nothing. I guess you just like the sound of it?
You by your own admission  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:24 pm : link
make less annually than the illegals standing in front of Home Depot. You told us that and yet you put it on me
Greg/Headhunter  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:28 pm : link
not going anywhere with this...please call a truce.
I'm  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:29 pm : link
done. You're right Eric. Sorry guys. It's a good discussion. I didnt mean to bring my garbage. I apologize
This is only semi-relevant...  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:30 pm : link
but here is Tony Blair forecasting the demise of the Labour Party if Jeremy Corbyn is named its head.

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The Labour party is in danger more mortal today than at any point in the over 100 years of its existence. I say this as someone who led the party for 13 years and has been a member for more than 40. The leadership election has turned into something far more significant than who is the next leader. It is now about whether Labour remains a party of government.


Aside from the interesting points in the piece itself, I could almost see a scenario where the following can be said of the Republicans for nominating a non-serious nominee to face Hillary or Hillary dropping out and the Democrats being left with Bernie freaking Sanders to go up against a Republican candidate.

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If Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader it won’t be a defeat like 1983 or 2015 at the next election. It will mean rout, possibly annihilation. If he wins the leadership, the public will at first be amused, bemused and even intrigued. But as the years roll on, as Tory policies bite and the need for an effective opposition mounts – and oppositions are only effective if they stand a hope of winning – the public mood will turn to anger. They will seek to punish us. They will see themselves as victims not only of the Tory government but of our self-indulgence.

Link - ( New Window )
Bernie runs  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:32 pm : link
R's win 49 states
Bernie v Donald  
Bill L : 8/12/2015 4:33 pm : link
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This will probably get its own thread, but also very unfortunate  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:33 pm : link
Rick KleinVerified account
þ@rickklein
Jimmy Carter statement: "Recent liver surgery revealed that I have cancer that now is in other parts of my body."
We all pack our bags  
Headhunter : 8/12/2015 4:33 pm : link
and head for Canada
RE: This will probably get its own thread, but also very unfortunate  
Bill L : 8/12/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12414611 Dunedin81 said:
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Rick KleinVerified account
þ@rickklein
Jimmy Carter statement: "Recent liver surgery revealed that I have cancer that now is in other parts of my body."


That is sad.
RE: Bernie runs  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:37 pm : link
In comment 12414602 Headhunter said:
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R's win 49 states


They'd probably steamroll, unless the Republicans nominated someone truly frightening. Bernie would be the most left of center nominee since Henry Wallace was Veep, no?
RE: We all pack our bags  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12414612 Headhunter said:
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and head for Canada


I wasn't joking, if Trump is the Republican nominee I will start looking for real estate elsewhere. I love this country, but we would be done.
You've  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:38 pm : link
got to think Biden still jumps in here.
RE: You've  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12414626 Eric from BBI said:
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got to think Biden still jumps in here.


Someone has to. I don't think Biden is the guy to do it. He has a gag reel a mile long. But there has to be a purple state governor or senator eyeing his moment, no?
I don't agree with Carter on much  
buford : 8/12/2015 4:42 pm : link
but I think he is a decent man. My husband was on a plane home to Atlanta and Carter was on and went down the aisle to shake everyone's hand. Sad news about the cancer.
maybe it gives Webb some momentum?  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2015 4:42 pm : link
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Webb was interviewed on a show  
buford : 8/12/2015 4:43 pm : link
and the interviewer asked him, 'why aren't you running in the Republican primary'.
I've said it earlier and I stand by it.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:43 pm : link
You look at the Republican field and you got Trump being Trump, one candidate who said Obama was bringing the Israelis to the oven door, another one who said we spend too much on women's health, one who compared Obamacare to slavery, the junior senator from FL who knows opposes rape even in cases of incest and the women's life, another one who said fighting public unions readies him to battle ISIS, and then you got the McCarty of our era in Cruz.

That party is literally off the walls, with the exception of Kasich.
RE: Headhunter/rut17  
njm : 8/12/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12414554 Eric from BBI said:
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With all due respect, what reasons would HRC have the server (which she new was illegal), not turn it over, and then wipe it clean?

Just for shits and giggles?


I always heard that nothing is really erased from a hard drive, that's why they sometimes get physically destroyed.

Beyond the "Secret" and "Top Secret" issue that was discussed I'm looking at the name Sidney Blumenthal. It's been a couple of decades since I read US v. Nixon and it's progeny, but I'm not at all certain executive privilege can be applied to communications between HRC and him.
RE: maybe it gives Webb some momentum?  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12414636 Greg from LI said:
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I like Webb more than you do, but he's not particularly charismatic from the stump and he seems only moderately interested in actually holding the office.
I'd love if Biden jumped in  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:45 pm : link
Thought I doubt he does.
RE: I've said it earlier and I stand by it.  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12414642 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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You look at the Republican field and you got Trump being Trump, one candidate who said Obama was bringing the Israelis to the oven door, another one who said we spend too much on women's health, one who compared Obamacare to slavery, the junior senator from FL who knows opposes rape even in cases of incest and the women's life, another one who said fighting public unions readies him to battle ISIS, and then you got the McCarty of our era in Cruz.

That party is literally off the walls, with the exception of Kasich.


Versus a woman who may or may not have scrubbed a private server that contained at the very least subsequently classified information before turning it over to the government for investigation and a socialist who honeymooned in the USSR and who conducted his own foreign policy as mayor of a small US city.
RE: I've said it earlier and I stand by it.  
njm : 8/12/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12414642 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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You look at the Republican field and you got Trump being Trump, one candidate who said Obama was bringing the Israelis to the oven door, another one who said we spend too much on women's health, one who compared Obamacare to slavery, the junior senator from FL who knows opposes rape even in cases of incest and the women's life, another one who said fighting public unions readies him to battle ISIS, and then you got the McCarty of our era in Cruz.

That party is literally off the walls, with the exception of Kasich.


And if you want to base things on a one off like you have, we have a candidate on the other side with Brian Williams syndrome, claiming to have dodged non-existent sniper fire in the Balkans.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2015 4:47 pm : link
I do think Rubio hurt himself with his abortion remarks. Republicans continue step in it with that stuff.
yeah, he kind of reminds me of Fred Thompson in 2008  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2015 4:48 pm : link
Clearly not a guy who really likes running for office.

I actually like quite a bit about Webb. I suppose you can say that my negative view of him reflects disappointment more than anything else. I thought that he might be the kind of heterodox Democrat he claimed to be, but that proved to be a fleeting hope.
RE: I'd love if Biden jumped in  
Randy in CT : 8/12/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12414646 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Thought I doubt he does.
I think he likely loses.
Njm  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:50 pm : link
When the Democrats have a field that says as much outrageous things as this GOP does, let me know. That party is off the rails. Nominate people like Kasich and Huntsman. The face of your party right now is Donald Trump, the ultimate clown.
same guy who details all the craaaaaazy things Republicans have said  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2015 4:51 pm : link
Pines for the sober honesty of Joe Biden. Can't put a dollar amount on that one.

Joe Biden's life history was much more interesting when he was cribbing it from Neil Kinnock.
RE: Njm  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12414664 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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When the Democrats have a field that says as much outrageous things as this GOP does, let me know. That party is off the rails. Nominate people like Kasich and Huntsman. The face of your party right now is Donald Trump, the ultimate clown.


If you look hard enough, your party says and does plenty of outrageous things. You want the Republicans to nominate who only looks conservative in relation to your politics, which are significantly left of center.
Joe Biden is a better man than you or I.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:53 pm : link
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RE: Joe Biden is a better man than you or I.  
Randy in CT : 8/12/2015 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12414675 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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That isn't the template to win the Presidency.
So why has GOP lost 5 out of 6 presidential elections?  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:55 pm : link
The country is moving left. Adapt or wither away. The Dems had their come to Jesus moment after Mondale. I think you guys will next November.
RE: Joe Biden is a better man than you or I.  
Dunedin81 : 8/12/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12414675 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Oh for fuck's sake. He's a plagiarist who has put his foot in his mouth for decades. He is deserving of a great deal of sympathy for what he endured the last several months, but let's hold off on the canonization for now.
Randy  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2015 4:55 pm : link
Agree, but attacking Biden's character is weak IMO.
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